A less than glowing review of Windows 10

9 years ago

Windows was based on a workalike to a workalike to a copycat of a system that was built with networking in mind, but it wasn't capable to networking. It was, as far as I am concerned, a sick JOKE of sorts. THEN, they came out with 3.0. Still bad, but passable. Then 3.1, which was certainly faster. THEN they finally added in code nobody thought to simply keep. Then 95, which was better, then 98, which was better, then 2000 which was better, and was the start of WIN NT being mainlined. True to its roots, M/S had another joke with ME(Millenium Edition). ANYWAY, they came out with XP which was better, but added senseless incompatibilities.

THEN they had VISTA which was a JOKE! It took them long enough, but they tweaked it to become 7 which was nice but added MORE senseless incompatibilities. Then 8 was apparently worse, followed by 8.1. Apparently all this time, they had some incompatible code added to what they called the SERVER line. I believe THAT was versions 4.51, 2002(?), 2003,2005,2008,2010, 2012, 2013, 2014. So they continued incompatibilities THERE also.

Maybe they should just stick with something, and try to make IT better. As for the idea of having multiple versions, there is NO reason for that. It also would be unfair. A person may get a new screen or want to move the system into a conference room, and a touch screen would make a lot of sense. There are things it simply CAN NOT DO, and people eventually realize that and get keyboards.

It should be SUCH a minor issue. But M/S has become like the US government. THEY have ideas about what THEY want, and impose it on everyone ELSE. USUALLY people settle, but it IS ridiculous.

Steve

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tagiscom 9 years ago

Hmmm, still use XP on my PC and overall, it works well.

Laptop l have W7, and eventhough it keeps reducing file size graphics all the time to save memory, overall it works well, and looks nice!

I think that overall Pads are seriously dumb inventions, and it is only for individuals that have everything and want something else to buy?

Pads with pretend keyboards, barf territory!
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- whateverpedia 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by tagiscom
  
  Pads with pretend keyboards, barf territory!
  
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seasoned

9 years ago

WOW! You know, I forgot to add something! They ALSO created two TOTALLY incompatible versions of windows! They came out with windows RT, which came with a basic office package to make it look enticing. There was ALSO a processor that looked like it might start to take over. It was kind of the pentium before there was really a pentium. Well, Microsoft could NOT have THAT, so they made a windows version for IT, even though it ALREADY had a windowing operating system! SO, they came out with Windows Alpha!

I could just see someone buying one of those systems and finding that their software won't run on it.

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Banned 9 years ago

Still happy with Se7en.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

The upshot seems to be that it tries to be all things to all (desktop, tablet, phone) users, and because of that it is nothing to anyone.

You can't have an upshot from an early beta. Even if you were to have one you would probably want to take a review from an established tech site not a finance magazine. Try tech radar

Windows 10 review | Operating Systems Review | TechRadar

Windows 10 is a freight train. get on board. Haven't used it but its inevitable since MS announced this will be a completely free upgrade to all windows users going back to windows 7. People still love free .Cortana sounds cool. The down side is the scene in my favorite Star Trek Movie where Scotty tries to talk to a 20th century computer will be lost on future generations. they just like him will be like

"So seriously why didn't it answer?"

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You can't have an upshot from an early beta. Even if you were to have one you would probably want to take a review from an established tech site not a finance magazine. Try tech radar

Since I, along with 99% of other users, are not going to use it for any tech-head stuff, I'll go with the ordinary user review, in this case a finance newspaper.

As I said in the OP, I'll stick with 7, as that does everything I need, and does it without me having to learn a whole new way of doing things.

Most of the things that were raved about in the review you linked to are of no use or interest to me, however I thank you for providing a different opinion on the system.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Since I, along with 99% of other users, are not going to use it for any tech-head stuff, I'll go with the ordinary user review, in this case a finance newspaper.

Umm I guess since 99% of people use their computers for finance.

Fact of the matter still remains. its a beta not even a release candidate. drawing conclusions on that basis make zero sense.

however I thank you for providing a different opinion on the system.

Welcome to the idea of a forum hence no need to thank..

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RichBeck

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

The upshot seems to be that it tries to be all things to all (desktop, tablet, phone) users, and because of that it is nothing to anyone.

Maybe MS should release three different versions of it to cater for what device the end user is going to use it on.

The colossal mistake Microsoft made was having "different flavors" of Windows.....

It was a PITA for Windows Developers... and users....Developers were forced to support several "flavors" of Windows for each product.... Because of this, some Developers made users buy separate licenses for each "flavor" of Windows.... which is totally understandable.... They are separate products..... each requiring development, support and bug fixes.

And just like any Internet service, the idea of asking “What version are you on?” will cease to make sense – which is great news for our Windows developers. With universal Windows apps that work across the entire device family, developers can build one app that targets the broadest range of devices – including the PC, tablet, phone, Xbox, the Internet of Things, and more.

If you dig in, you'll see internally there will only be one version.... BUT, it will be "optimized" for the particular device... They finally got it right......

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kenmichaels

9 years ago

Originally Posted by RichBeck

If you dig in, you'll see internally there will only be one version.... BUT, it will be "optimized" for the particular device... They finally got it right......

That is to be determined ... if they do it without breaking everything
I have been supporting for the last 15 + years ... then ill be happy.

But if the past is any indication - then as always i'm gonna be grumpy
for a few months after they release it.

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RichBeck

9 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

That is to be determined ... if they do it without breaking everything
I have been supporting for the last 15 + years ... then ill be happy.

But if the past is any indication - then as always i'm gonna be grumpy
for a few months after they release it.

Ken, I've said this for years...... I don't care if "old applications" don't run natively.... If it makes Windows more secure, faster and a single OS....

Microsoft cannot afford to carry "past sins" forward forever.... They did it waaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy too long for 16 bit applications... which lead to massive instability of the OS....

Windows itself was relatively stable..... But, many programs had issues with memory management.... The problem is... "Joe six pack" thinks Windows is unstable.... When, in reality, it is the programs he is running....

The solution is to run "old applications" in a sandbox.... isolated from the other programs.... which is not rocket science...

In the end, everyone needs to "get used to" the idea of Windows 10.... There will be a lot of people upgrading... when it is free.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by RichBeck

In the end, everyone needs to "get used to" the idea of Windows 10.... There will be a lot of people upgrading... when it is free.

Yep. I don't think most people understand that yet and thats why its unstoppable it will be the defacto version in a year or two. the upgrade is free and all the subsequent upgrades on the same machine is free. The general public is going to love it no matter what the MS haters say. It sure will break things 15 years old and be a headache but its a change that makes development much easier going forward. Developers can and will just develop for windows 10 knowing almost all of the market will be running the same version.

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RichBeck

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Yep. I don't think most people understand that yet and thats why its unstoppable it will be the defacto version in a year or two. the upgrade is free and all the subsequent upgrades on the same machine is free. The general public is going to love it no matter what the MS haters say. It sure will break things 15 years old and be a headache but its a change that makes development much easier going forward. Developers can and will just develop for windows 10 knowing almost all of the market will be running the same version.

Mike, Windows 10 will be the de facto standard... No doubt....

When you look at the Hologram technology Microsoft has built in Windows 10, it is mind blowing.... Some people will be upgrading for that alone....

You'll have all of those Windows 7 and 8 users upgrading..... Plus, the vast majority of the desktop and laptop computers sold at "big box" stores are Windows... They have a firm grip on the market for several years to come...

Finally, they could kill Windows 7 and 8 support very quickly.... since they are giving Windows 10 away..... Yet another way to "speed up" adoption.

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by RichBeck

Mike, Windows 10 will be the de facto standard... No doubt....

When you look at the Hologram technology Microsoft has built in Windows 10, it is mind blowing.... Some people will be upgrading for that alone....

You'll have all of those Windows 7 and 8 users upgrading..... Plus, the vast majority of the desktop and laptop computers sold at "big box" stores are Windows... They have a firm grip on the market for several years to come...

Finally, they could kill Windows 7 and 8 support very quickly.... since they are giving Windows 10 away..... Yet another way to "speed up" adoption.

They *******CAN'T******* "GIVE WINDOWS 10 AWAY"!!!!!! By that, I mean it WILL HAVE A COST! WINDOWS is really NOTHING but a kind of framework! NOBODY wants the FRAMEWORK! They want what is BUILT AROUND IT! In my business, for example, there is a company providing a system that can cost many MILLIONS of dollars, and some of them hook into windows. Is microsoft going to pay the many millions of dollars for the new software, downtime, testing, and development? Are there even enough people on the planet to do it?

ALSO, in that arena, they have Linux, which has already taken 60% of that market. Suppose they pull the garbage you are talking about. The corporations could switch over to Linux. If that happens, some FAMILIES may!

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RichBeck

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

ALSO, in that arena, they have Linux, which has already taken 60% of that market. Suppose they pull the garbage you are talking about. The corporations could switch over to Linux. If that happens, some FAMILIES may!

Steve

Steve, Linux is cool as a server OS.... As a desktop for Hackers and some Developers..... Yes.

As far as a "mainstream Desktop and Laptop OS," it is just not going to happen..... There are way too many people buying computers at "big box" stores....... Plus, Windows is way too entrenched in the business sector on the desktop...

Is "Joe six pack" going to reimage his hard drive with Linux? No way! He has no desire to be a bit twiddler... He just wants to surf the Internet and play with Word and Excel on occasion.... Why would he replace "free Windows" that came on his computer with Linux? It makes no sense....

I've heard the same thing since 1997.... Linux is going to replace Windows.... Linux is going to replace Windows... It is not going to happen in the next ten years...

EDIT: Based on several sources, they are saying Linux on the Desktop is somewhere between 1% and 10%... Roughly equivalent to MacOS..... That still leaves Windows with a massive lead.....

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ThomM

9 years ago

Originally Posted by RichBeck

Steve, Linux is cool as a server OS.... As a desktop for Hackers and some Developers..... Yes.

As far as a "mainstream Desktop and Laptop OS," it is just not going to happen..... There are way too many people buying computers at "big box" stores....... Plus, Windows is way too entrenched in the business sector on the desktop...

Is "Joe six pack" going to reimage his hard drive with Linux? No way! He has no desire to be a bit twiddler... He just wants to surf the Internet and play with Word and Excel on occasion.... Why would he replace "free Windows" that came on his computer with Linux? It makes no sense....

I've heard the same thing since 1997.... Linux is going to replace Windows.... Linux is going to replace Windows... It is not going to happen in the next ten years...

EDIT: Based on several sources, they are saying Linux on the Desktop is somewhere between 1% and 10%... Roughly equivalent to MacOS..... That still leaves Windows with a massive lead.....

I replaced windows with a Linux OS 4 years ago and will never go back. Replacing windows made a lot of sense to me.

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by RichBeck

Steve, Linux is cool as a server OS.... As a desktop for Hackers and some Developers..... Yes.

As far as a "mainstream Desktop and Laptop OS," it is just not going to happen..... There are way too many people buying computers at "big box" stores....... Plus, Windows is way too entrenched in the business sector on the desktop...

You act like windows was the first, etc... It WASN'T! I made a prediction UNIX would make headway in 1980. In 1984, it started mainstreaming. I said it about Linux in 1992, and a few years later, THE SAME!

HECK, I told a company that DIDN'T support networks and the like on Linux about Linux. A few years later EVERYONE started supporting it. Around 2003, I said the same about this one product, and he said they only did INTERNAL development on Linux. TODAY, they openly support Linux, and it is about 60% of the business I see.

And what of web servers?

The claims YOU made were made about a little thing called the computer in the 1970s. By 1980, it started to skyrocket.

Is "Joe six pack" going to reimage his hard drive with Linux? No way! He has no desire to be a bit twiddler... He just wants to surf the Internet and play with Word and Excel on occasion.... Why would he replace "free Windows" that came on his computer with Linux? It makes no sense....

FREE? WHO uses WINDOWS? Show me one person. OH, they may SAY they do, but it is always something else. In the 1980s I used a lot of *****EXPENSIVE***** software. EXPENSIVE on windows, often FREE on LINUX! In the mid 1990s, I saw a package for M/S windows licensed for 10 users, and it cost over $10,000, LINUX comes with better software for free! Windows is merely a platform or whatever. A little piece that even if it sold for $1000 would likely be a small part of the cost.

I've heard the same thing since 1997.... Linux is going to replace Windows.... Linux is going to replace Windows... It is not going to happen in the next ten years...

EDIT: Based on several sources, they are saying Linux on the Desktop is somewhere between 1% and 10%... Roughly equivalent to MacOS..... That still leaves Windows with a massive lead.....

A lead can vanish practically OVERNIGHT if M/S takes on the attitude you have, and makes one too many mistakes. It has happened before.

And YEAH, people declared APPLE dead too. People declared UNIX dead! They declared LINUX dead. LINUX started as a minor dream by one guy that struggled to get one tiny piece done, that wasn't all that meaningful in the scheme of things. I don't even know if he could speak a popular language, and you wouldn't expect such a thing to take off. When I first saw it it was like a novelty you had to mailorder as a CD. NOW, you can buy it in most stores selling software.

Steve

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QueenMelanie

9 years ago

I have win 8 at the moment, still thinking about reverting to WIN7 , don't like the way windows is going..

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barbling

9 years ago

There's been an upgrade since Windows 3.11?

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seasoned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by barbling

There's been an upgrade since Windows 3.11?

FUNNY you should say that! That 3rd upgrade on the decent line, where I said they FINALLY added back what should never have been taken away in the first place, was Windows for workgroups, AKA Windows 3.11!

BTW I STILL only consider 3.11 only passible.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by barbling

There's been an upgrade since Windows 3.11?

Yes it's called Windows 95, plays a very nice dreamy piano synth piece when it starts up too (specially commissioned from Brian Eno). I'm keen to get my hands on it and see what this baby can do. Exciting times these.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Ok, I have Windows 8.1 now and have used the free window's shell program to quickly convert it to a Windows 7 desktop which makes it pretty familiar to use and behaves like the previous versions only much more stable.

The cell phone tablet /environment on a PC/Laptop, with or without a touch screen is a joke. It's rather like using the the windows media environment program that came with Vista. (cant recall the exact name) Did anyone ever use it, nope. Did it have any real function, nope.

A tablet or large cellphone without a keyboard or mouse is a touch screen device with large icons to hit with your finger. It has limited functionality for serious work. You would not really use them for that. Doing any real work would be slow and tedious. A touch screen for a PC or laptop is ultimately a no/no .Try keeping and using your hands up in the air like that for any length of time. You cant. It's not natural or comfortable to do it. Hands resting on desk with a Keyboard and a mouse is comfortable.

Sure, Microsoft can release a Windows version for all three or four devices that would detect what its on and behave accordingly, but when it's on a PC or laptop it should be a stable 7 type environment. Thats what people want, it works and is practical. The rest should not be visible or you should be able to switch it off.

Apple made a bundle on their Iphones recently but sales of tablets are plummeting. People are finally getting it and returning to laptops for portability and functionality. Before I get my free upgrade to 10 I will make sure that they have returned the desktop to what it was or the shell program is updated to cover it. Also so you can boot directly to the desktop and avoid all that other superfluous crap.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by RichBeck

I've heard the same thing since 1997.... Linux is going to replace Windows.... Linux is going to replace Windows... It is not going to happen in the next ten years...

Yep Linux is going to take over the desktop has been a claim over two decades old. I'm surprised anyone would even bother raising that claim again.It snever going to be mainstream on anything but servers (and azure is not looking too bad for window on the cloud either)

Originally Posted by lanfear63

People are finally getting it and returning to laptops for portability and functionality. .

Actually people are starting to turn to the best of both worlds...Full windows tablet models like the surface pro and yeah you can use a keyboard and mouse with it (USB ports)

Microsoft discontinues Surface 2 as Surface Pro 3 sales soar - News - Trusted Reviews

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Yep Linux is going to take over the desktop has been a claim over two decades old. I'm surprised anyone would even bother raising that claim again.It snever going to be mainstream on anything but servers (and azure is not looking too bad for window on the cloud either)

Actually people are starting to turn to the best of both worlds...Full windows tablet models like the surface pro and yeah you can use a keyboard and mouse with it (USB ports)

Microsoft discontinues Surface 2 as Surface Pro 3 sales soar - News - Trusted Reviews

Yeah,seen the advert, for productivity it is connected to a keyboard and mouse and when they want to watch a 10 inch (whatever it is) tv, they pull it off. That speaks volumes to me. But, it has versatility I will admit. The best of both worlds and because of that, it sells well despite the inflated price over a normal laptop. More Apple like cool than anything though, becoming a bit of a designer status symbol.

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Jamie Thompson

9 years ago

Staying with 7 until something major changes.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Of course, I understand little of this conversation, but enough to say that it seems that "less than glowing" would be a thrilling review for MS after Vista.

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