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11 years ago

I don't know what ever happened to Americans who mind their own business. If you don't like gay marriages - don't get one. It's not anyone else's concern who wants to live with who.

I can understand it being against some religions, but that's simple. If a church doesn't like you - then go to a different church. It's not the state's business to decide how someone lives their personal lives. If we let the gov intervene on that one - every marriage will be susceptible to any law that sometimes not so sane leaders want to push.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

All I know is that I don't have any desire to know whatever a person does in the bedroom. It should be a private, not a public affair.

In other words...

What happens in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom.

Terra

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

All I know is that I don't have any desire to know whatever a person does in the bedroom. It should be a private, not a public affair.

In other words...

What happens in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom.

Terra

Are you saying you don't want to know about shaving the squirrels and breaking the whipped cream out?

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Are you saying you don't want to know about shaving the squirrels and breaking the whipped cream out?

HAHAHAHAhahaaaaaa!

Exactly!

Terra

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I don't know what ever happened to Americans who mind their own business. If you don't like gay marriages - don't get one. It's not anyone else's concern who wants to live with who.

I can understand it being against some religions, but that's simple. If a church doesn't like you - then go to a different church. It's not the state's business to decide how someone lives their personal lives. If we let the gov intervene on that one - every marriage will be susceptible to any law that sometimes not so sane leaders want to push.

True, but when it is high profile, then the cringe factor comes into play!

But that doesn't matter all that much, gay individuals don't take marriage as seriously as straight individuals do, (yeah, l know 50% divorce rate).

I mean how could they when one woman try's to dress up as a man and the other woman gets into a wedding dress? Already dysfunctional, not a good start, they seriously need to create their own, that does make sense!

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Are you saying you don't want to know about shaving the squirrels and breaking the whipped cream out?

Yes, by 2100, we will have celebrity's weddings with animals and inanimate objects, (including cars of course) after all it is everyone's right to make a complete fools of themselves.

Society crumbles unless some rules are obeyed!

Hopefully l will be 3 feet under by then, don't particularly want to see, some whacko marrying his pet dog!

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ThomM

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

True, but when it is high profile, then the cringe factor comes into play!

But that doesn't matter all that much, gay individuals don't take marriage as seriously as straight individuals do, (yeah, l know 50% divorce rate).

I mean how could they when one woman try's to dress up as a man and the other woman gets into a wedding dress? Already dysfunctional, not a good start, they seriously need to create their own, that does make sense!

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Yes, by 2100, we will have celebrity's weddings with animals and inanimate objects, (including cars of course) after all it is everyone's right to make a complete fools of themselves.

Society crumbles unless some rules are obeyed!

Hopefully l will be 3 feet under by then, don't particularly want to see, some whacko marrying his pet dog!

I'm guessing you're not fond of gay marriage?

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I'm guessing you're not fond of gay marriage?

It doesn't concern me, but l do get annoyed when gay individuals try to make it work, and clearly it is square peg, round hole, (yeah, l know not a good apology, leave it alone Claude) deal.

Maybe that is why the, "Marriage is between a man and woman" isn't a harsh rule, but maybe that is what it is.

Gay groups around the world, need to cut and paste certain parts of Traditional marriage, but do it within a new framework.

Pretty hard to take a 5000 year old institution and force it to work another way!

That is all l am saying!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by positivenegative

Already been done. Google reveals plenty of other instances as well.

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11 years ago

When I see two guys making out furiously in front of me and my family ...yes it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

And honestly, it will always seem weird and abnormal to me. And against what my Faith dictates.

That being said I will argue tooth and nail until the day Iam buried to make sure gay couples have the right to Marry if they so choose.

Why shouldn't they ?? Why can't they have a shot at Happiness like the rest of us ?

If these hardcore religious fanatics say it is against God and is so sinful then let God take it up with them..

In meantime, everyone else including these Nuts should keep their damn noses out of it.

And worry about their own lives.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

When I see two guys making out furiously in front of me and my family ...yes it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

And honestly, it will always seem weird and abnormal to me. And against what my Faith dictates.

That being said I will argue tooth and nail until the day Iam buried to make sure gay couples have the right to Marry if they so choose.

Why shouldn't they ?? Why can't they have a shot at Happiness like the rest of us ?

If these hardcore religious fanatics say it is against God and is so sinful then let God take it up with them..

In meantime, everyone else including these Nuts should keep their damn noses out of it.

And worry about their own lives.

Sorry, but I have the totally opposite point of view. Like the rest of us, why shouldn't gays be able to be totally miserable too?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

It doesn't concern me, but l do get annoyed when gay individuals try to make it work, and clearly it is square peg, round hole, (yeah, l know not a good apology, leave it alone Claude) deal.

Maybe that is why the, "Marriage is between a man and woman" isn't a harsh rule, but maybe that is what it is.

Gay groups around the world, need to cut and paste certain parts of Traditional marriage, but do it within a new framework.

Pretty hard to take a 5000 year old institution and force it to work another way!

That is all l am saying!

I feel that way when I see a straight couple do the same thing. Gay or straight if you have to try to make it work there's bigger issues at play then their sexuality. Personally I don't look at a gay couple and differently then a straight couple. As far as I'm concerned a couple is just that, a couple.

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

Society crumbles unless some rules are obeyed!

Hopefully l will be 3 feet under by then, don't particularly want to see, some whacko marrying his pet dog!

Already been done. Google reveals plenty of other instances as well.
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  Originally Posted by positivenegative
  
  Already been done. Google reveals plenty of other instances as well.
  
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  Marriage is between 2 consenting adults who can sign a marriage license.
  
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  Marriage is between 2 consenting adults who can sign a marriage license.
  
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Formal Shorts

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

True, but when it is high profile, then the cringe factor comes into play!

But that doesn't matter all that much, gay individuals don't take marriage as seriously as straight individuals do, (yeah, l know 50% divorce rate).

I mean how could they when one woman try's to dress up as a man and the other woman gets into a wedding dress? Already dysfunctional, not a good start, they seriously need to create their own, that does make sense!

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Yes, by 2100, we will have celebrity's weddings with animals and inanimate objects, (including cars of course) after all it is everyone's right to make a complete fools of themselves.

Society crumbles unless some rules are obeyed!

Hopefully l will be 3 feet under by then, don't particularly want to see, some whacko marrying his pet dog!

I genuinely don't know if you're being serious or not.

Assuming that you are, is your argument against gay marriage really formed on the basis that

They don't take it seriously enough
It's a slippery slope

Firstly, people who have to fight for the right to do something generally feel extremely passionate about it. From a completely personal perspective (and I accept it doesn't hold water on a wider scale) the pre-marriage course I attended recently asked the couples to explain why they wanted to get married. Many of the answers were borderline materialistic.

Secondly, the slippery slope always rubs me up the wrong way. It implies that gay people are of lesser worth - somewhere between a dog and straight person. I assume you don't mean to say that, but it certainly implies superiority.

Open question to those against gay marriage...why?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Formal Shorts

Open question to those against gay marriage...why?

I'll tell you why I am against gay marriage..

Every time a gay woman gets married, it takes both women off the market, and two less people for me to talk sports with.

And every gay man wedding, means that two gay men are now, not paying as much attention to me. And, they will dress nicer than I do...and probably work out....and I'll just feel fatter.

And that's why I don't like gay marriage...because I'm fat.

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Hopefully you'll be six feet under, as is required by law and tradition.
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Gay funerals....they only bury them 3 feet under. I have no idea why.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

I'm not making a statement at all with my forthcoming question, lest anyone should suppose that I am.

But I have always pondered upon why there are no "gay" animals, you know, in the wild. I understand that there are dogs, cats, horses, etc. that will hump anything, but I think that is just raging male hormones, haha.

Why do you suppose that is? It's not just for carrying on the species either because there are species of the animal, amphibian, fish, fowl and insect worlds that choose mates for life.

albatrosses
bald eagles
barn owls
beavers
French angelfish
gibbons (although they are swingers, literally)
penguins
prairie voles
shingleback skinks (a type of lizard)
swans
termites
wolves

So, what do you think?

Terra

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I'm not making a statement at all with my forthcoming question, lest anyone should suppose that I am.

But I have always pondered upon why there are no "gay" animals, you know, in the wild. I understand that there are dogs, cats, horses, etc. that will hump anything, but I think that is just raging male hormones, haha.

Why do you suppose that is? It's not just for carrying on the species either because there are species of the animal, amphibian, fish, fowl and insect worlds that choose mates for life.

albatrosses
bald eagles
barn owls
beavers
French angelfish
gibbons (although they are swingers, literally)
penguins
prairie voles
shingleback skinks (a type of lizard)
swans
termites
wolves

So, what do you think?

Terra

Dearest Terra;

here.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Kurt

This is only for gay funerals on Mars. It's due to the high water table on Mars. You don't want the bodies getting too soggy due to all the water.

Tables are not made out of water.
Now, you're just being silly.

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Dearest Terra;

here.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Okay, some of the cases they give are pretty weak, but one thing I can say with adamant, unarguably, certainty is that I am so sorry I ever asked.

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Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I'm not making a statement at all with my forthcoming question, lest anyone should suppose that I am.

But I have always pondered upon why there are no "gay" animals, you know, in the wild. I understand that there are dogs, cats, horses, etc. that will hump anything, but I think that is just raging male hormones, haha.

So, what do you think?
Terra

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I'm not making a statement at all with my forthcoming question, lest anyone should suppose that I am.

But I have always pondered upon why there are no "gay" animals, you know, in the wild. I understand that there are dogs, cats, horses, etc. that will hump anything, but I think that is just raging male hormones, haha.

Why do you suppose that is? It's not just for carrying on the species either because there are species of the animal, amphibian, fish, fowl and insect worlds that choose mates for life.

albatrosses
bald eagles
barn owls
beavers
French angelfish
gibbons (although they are swingers, literally)
penguins
prairie voles
shingleback skinks (a type of lizard)
swans
termites
wolves

So, what do you think?

Terra

I think gay activity between two guys is repugnant but I won't stand in their way to obtain the same rights as any other married couple.

IMHO, with some of them its a choice and some of them it can't be helped. I am not aware of the percentages involved.

Note: I, like most guys have no prob with viewing gay activity between two gals.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I think gay activity between two guys is repugnant but I won't stand in their way to obtain the same rights as any other married couple.

IMHO, with some of them its a choice and some of them it can't be helped. I am not aware of the percentages involved.

Note: I, like most guys have no prob with viewing gay activity between two gals.

I don't like viewing either, but then again, I don't like viewing sexual activity at all.

My thing, I guess, is that I don't understand it, can't relate to it. But that doesn't mean I have ill will towards anyone who is.

As a matter of fact, my late grama's sister, my great aunt, only had one child, a son. He is a homosexual but that doesn't matter to me at all. He is family and I adore him. I also love his life partner. They are two great, intelligent, funny, loving guys.

I think the only thing that bothers me about his homosexuality is that the family blood line stops with him, the second generation out of Czechoslovakia, but also understand that if he were straight, he may have chosen not to have children, or medically could not.

Anyway, that's it for me.

Terra

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

IMHO, with some of them its a choice and some of them it can't be helped. .

I am. The percentage of men that decide to become gay is zero.

Never in the history of this planet, has a man been straight, and then chose to become gay.

At what age did you decide to be straight?

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I am. The percentage of men that decide to become gay is zero.

Never in the history of this planet, has a man been straight, and then chose to become gay.

At what age did you decide to be straight?

Well, people can experiment and the next thing you know, they prefer playing for the other team - especially since its become a whole lot more socially acceptable.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Well, people can experiment and the next thing you know, they prefer playing for the other team - especially since its become a whole lot more socially acceptable.

Those individuals "experimented" because they were already gay. I'm pretty confident this isn't a "Maybe You're Born with It. Maybe it's Maybelline." situation. You're born with it. That's not to say there aren't varying degrees of homosexuality, but even a "little gay" is gay.

Let me also place the standard proclamation: I couldn't care less about someone's orientation. Go about your business with reckless abandon, for all I care.

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Claude Whitacre 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

. That's not to say there aren't varying degrees of homosexuality, but even a "little gay" is gay.

50 Shades Of Gay.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Well, people can experiment and the next thing you know, they prefer playing for the other team - especially since its become a whole lot more socially acceptable.

So, at what age did you decide to be straight?

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

So, at what age did you decide to be straight?

Ask any gay man, if you are right.

Maybe when I was behind the garbage shed humping on the girl next store at the age of about 5. LOL!

Or maybe it was Wanda who gave me a hint of the joys of a man on woman experience. She lived around the corner when I was about 7 year old.

Later on, I guess I made the conscious decision that the only penis I'm interested in is mine and no one's going to put anything up in me - not if I can help it.

I have also heard long ago, that a mouth is a mouth and a butt hole is a butt hole and still decided that gay activity would not be a part of my sexual history.

Not that I've been fighting gay urges all my life, I've never seen a man I wanted to "get with".

I already have enquired.

- I've already talked to a couple of gay guys who told me they made the choice to become gay with each other - after a wild and crazy, drunken night etc., - it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be and now they have something special.

- Aristotle and Plato are reputed to had been lovers because they did not believe a woman was worthy of their love. That sounds like a choice to me.

- Many gay women turn gay because of the treatment they've received from men. They have had enough and have turned to the "sisterhood" for comfort.

- Many gay dudes were turned gay because of something in their experience while growing up. Some were dominated by their sisters and then turned gay. Some were abused.

- Some guys played with nothing but girls at an early age and the female personality rubbed off on them and wa-la - now they're gay. That happened to a cousin of mine.

- What about the BI people? Haven't they made a decision to play for both teams?

Like I said earlier, I don't know the percentages involved but don't tell me all of them had no choice.

If I was forced to name a percentage, I'd put it at about at least 10%of them made a choice or had something happen to them during their upbringing that turned them gay. So IMHO all of them were not born gay.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Not that I've been fighting gay urges all my life, I've never seen a man I wanted to "get with".

Uh-huh.

I've already talked to a couple of gay guys who told me they made the choice to become gay with each other - after a wild and crazy, drunken night etc., - it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be and now they have something special.

So, they discovered that they're gay.

Aristotle and Plato are reputed to had been lovers because they did not believe a woman was worthy of their love. That sounds like a choice to me.

Sorry. Gay!

Many gay women turn gay because of the treatment they've received from men. They have had enough and have turned to the "sisterhood" for comfort.

Having gay sex does not necessarily mean that you are gay. It just means that you've had sex with someone of the same gender.

Many gay dudes were turned gay because of something in their experience while growing up. Some were dominated by their sisters and then turned gay. Some were abused.

Total rubbish.

Some guys played with nothing but girls at an early age and the female personality rubbed off on them and wa-la - now they're gay. That happened to a cousin of mine.

What comes after total rubbish? I'm actually at a loss for words.

What about the BI people? Haven't they made a decision to play for both teams?

No - they're attracted to both sexes. Still not a choice, but a predilection.

Like I said earlier, I don't know the percentages involved but don't tell me all of them had no choice.

If I was forced to name a percentage, I'd put it at about at least 10%of them made a choice or had something happen to them during their upbringing that turned them gay. So IMHO all of them were not born gay.

You can believe that if you choose, but that doesn't make it fact.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Maybe when I was behind the garbage shed humping on the girl next store at the age of about 5. LOL!

Or maybe it was Wanda who gave me a hint of the joys of a man on woman experience. She lived around the corner when I was about 7 year old.

Later on, I guess I made the conscious decision that the only penis I'm interested in is mine and no one's going to put anything up in me - not if I can help it.

I have also heard long ago, that a mouth is a mouth and a butt hole is a butt hole and still decided that gay activity would not be a part of my sexual history.

Not that I've been fighting gay urges all my life, I've never seen a man I wanted to "get with".

I already have enquired.

- I've already talked to a couple of gay guys who told me they made the choice to become gay with each other - after a wild and crazy, drunken night etc., - it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be and now they have something special.

- Aristotle and Plato are reputed to had been lovers because they did not believe a woman was worthy of their love. That sounds like a choice to me.

- Many gay women turn gay because of the treatment they've received from men. They have had enough and have turned to the "sisterhood" for comfort.

- Many gay dudes were turned gay because of something in their experience while growing up. Some were dominated by their sisters and then turned gay. Some were abused.

- Some guys played with nothing but girls at an early age and the female personality rubbed off on them and wa-la - now they're gay. That happened to a cousin of mine.

- What about the BI people? Haven't they made a decision to play for both teams?

Like I said earlier, I don't know the percentages involved but don't tell me all of them had no choice.

If I was forced to name a percentage, I'd put it at about at least 10%of them made a choice or had something happen to them during their upbringing that turned them gay. So IMHO all of them were not born gay.

I doubt there was also a guy behind the garbage shed, or when you were with Wanda. Therefore,
no choice. Only how you are. You probably would not have even thought about doing anything sexual
if there was a guy behind the garbage shed, or if it was a guy instead of Wanda.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

The percentage of men that decide to become gay is zero.

Never in the history of this planet, has a man been straight, and then chose to become gay.

What about when a straight man or woman goes to prison and begins having sex with other prisoners of the same sex? Would that be a choice?

I'm not trying to make a point or stir the pot. Your comment just happened to bring the question to mind. That and my recent OITNB binge.

I honestly don't know. I'm sure it's probably been covered in some study or other, but I've never seen it.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

What about when a straight man or woman goes to prison and begins having sex with other prisoners of the same sex? Would that be a choice?

When I was in my early 20's, I was in a group of Kung Fu students. They all knew each other...and most sold pot. At the time, that was a prison sentence. So I knew dozens of guys that spent years in prison.

Several told me the same thing. They aren't gay. But if women aren't available at all...you make due with what's available. It's as simple as that. When they got out, they went back to women. There are no doubt studies, but I'm only going by my experience.

In my decades of selling, I've talked to maybe a hundred or so gay couples. They are unanimous that;

All of them were born that way.
And they thought the whole debate of whether they chose to be that way, was ridiculous.

For you "It's a choice" guys; ask any gay man on Earth. They will tell you that they haven't ever even met a guy, that switched sides.

To everyone; Just ask yourself; "At what age did I decide my sexual orientation?".

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Several told me the same thing. They aren't gay. But if women aren't available at all...you make due with what's available. It's as simple as that. When they got out, they went back to women.

I would add to this that the vast amount of prison sex is rape. It isn't typically consensual, not even when actual homosexuals are involved: The grim truth of being gay in prison | Sadhbh Walshe | Society | The Guardian

And we know rape isn't about the sex, right? It's about power and control. He who does the raping doesn't get raped himself. Put it in or take it in. Some decide to be takers because they know they can't defend themselves, at least, not for long.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I would add to this that the vast amount of prison sex is rape. It isn't typically consensual, not even when actual homosexuals are involved: The grim truth of being gay in prison | Sadhbh Walshe | Society | The Guardian

And we know rape isn't about the sex, right? It's about power and control. He who does the raping doesn't get raped himself. Put it in or take it in. Some decide to be takers because they know they can't defend themselves, at least, not for long.

I thought about adding that thought. Are you gay if you get raped in prison? Are you if you are the attacker?
I was really talking about the consensual kind.

by the way...yech.

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I thought about adding that thought. Are you gay if you get raped in prison? Are you if you are the attacker?
I was really talking about the consensual kind.

by the way...yech.

Is a woman a slut because she gets raped?

As for the attacker, I'm going to say, in uneducated fashion, no. With hardened criminals - I don't think a guy doing 6 months for pot is doing a lot of rapin' - we're often dealing with abnormal brain chemistry. Said brain chemistry may eliminate a desire to differentiate the sexes, especially when there's only one available to eliminate an urge. Impulse control isn't typically a strong suit of the criminal mind.

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Claude Whitacre 11 years ago

Riffle in Bold. Me not.

Is a woman a slut because she gets raped?

I was asking rhetorical questions. Just in case anyone has the wrong idea.

With hardened criminals - I don't think a guy doing 6 months for pot is doing a lot of rapin' - we're often dealing with abnormal brain chemistry.
That's what I've heard.
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- Dan Riffle 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre
  
  Riffle in Bold. Me not.
  
  Is a woman a slut because she gets raped?
  
  I was asking rhetorical questions. Just in case anyone has the wrong idea.
  
  Yes, I wasn't implying you thought that way. I thought my question answered yours fairly well.
  
  With hardened criminals - I don't think a guy doing 6 months for pot is doing a lot of rapin' - we're often dealing with abnormal brain chemistry.
  
  That's what I've heard
  
  I'm not buying it. Not that you heard it, but that it happened that way. How quickly would you reach for another man if you were doing time -- outside of the parameters I've already drawn above -- especially if you were a short-timer?
  
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ThomM

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

What about when a straight man or woman goes to prison and begins having sex with other prisoners of the same sex? Would that be a choice?

I'm not trying to make a point or stir the pot. Your comment just happened to bring the question to mind. That and my recent OITNB binge.

I honestly don't know. I'm sure it's probably been covered in some study or other, but I've never seen it.

For some yes. Some men are bisexual but prefer women. Some men will have the attitude of "any port in a storm". Same goes for women I would guess.

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Midnight Oil

11 years ago

It is interesting. I mentioned it in another thread some time back, but I've worked with many over the years and have had some who said they did make that choice. Most would just say that they knew from an early age.

A very close friend of mine in high school turned a few years out. Swears up and down she wasn't until one special person came into her life and she never looked back. She would tell me, and others, that she "turned family" or "went family."

Like I mentioned in the other thread, it could be a generational or regional thing or some such. As best I can remember, the ones who said they made a choice were probably in their twenties or younger.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

A very close friend of mine in high school turned a few years out. Swears up and down she wasn't until one special person came into her life and she never looked back. She would tell me, and others, that she "turned family" or "went family."
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Yeah, this has been discussed before (on earlier threads)

Women are different. Women see it differently. I really never asked women about their sexuality, and how that all works. But gay guys are pretty cut and dried about it.

I'm only talking about gay men in my earlier posts.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Like I mentioned in the other thread, it could be a generational or regional thing or some such. As best I can remember, the ones who said they made a choice were probably in their twenties or younger.

"Making a choice" is just another way of saying that you discovered you were gay.

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Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

What about when a straight man or woman goes to prison and begins having sex with other prisoners of the same sex? Would that be a choice?

That's usually a survival choice and has very little to do with their basic sexuality.

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Kurt 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Gay funerals....they only bury them 3 feet under. I have no idea why.

This is only for gay funerals on Mars. It's due to the high water table on Mars. You don't want the bodies getting too soggy due to all the water.
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whateverpedia 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Hopefully l will be 3 feet under by then, don't particularly want to see, some whacko marrying his pet dog!

Hopefully you'll be six feet under, as is required by law and tradition.

Only being buried three feet under means you were found in a hastily dug shallow grave in a forest somewhere. Makes marrying a dog pale into insignificance doesn't it?

As a service to you, I've corrected your post to reflect a less violent method of passing. Here 'tis.

Hopefully l will be 6 feet under by then. I don't particularly want to believe the tired old whacko myth that someone will end up marrying their pet dog will come

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

True, but when it is high profile, then the cringe factor comes into play!

But that doesn't matter all that much, gay individuals don't take marriage as seriously as straight individuals do, (yeah, l know 50% divorce rate).

I mean how could they when one woman try's to dress up as a man and the other woman gets into a wedding dress? Already dysfunctional, not a good start, they seriously need to create their own, that does make sense!

Yes, by 2100, we will have celebrity's weddings with animals and inanimate objects, (including cars of course) after all it is everyone's right to make a complete fools of themselves.

Society crumbles unless some rules are obeyed!

Hopefully l will be 3 feet under by then, don't particularly want to see, some whacko marrying his pet dog!

Well thought out. Shockingly accurate portrayal of gay people.

And NASA is 47% gay. It's a fact, that I learned in a dream I had last night.

Originally Posted by Cali16

There's no empirical evidence to support the classification of homosexuality as a medical or mental disorder.

Is bigotry?

Because I know someone that thinks that gay people are abnormal, and mentally ill.

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Joe Mobley

11 years ago

Not from some of the videos I've seen.

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Originally Posted by MissTerraK

All I know is that I don't have any desire to know whatever a person does in the bedroom. It should be a private, not a public affair.

In other words...

What happens in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom.

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Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Not from some of the videos I've seen.

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Joe!

Those weren't of me! I swear!!

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  We've run into this problem, because we've started doling out rights to people as couples instead of individuals. We've messed up because we give out specific rights to people based on their marital status.
  
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I don't know what ever happened to Americans who mind their own business. If you don't like gay marriages - don't get one. It's not anyone else's concern who wants to live with who.

I can understand it being against some religions, but that's simple. If a church doesn't like you - then go to a different church. It's not the state's business to decide how someone lives their personal lives. If we let the gov intervene on that one - every marriage will be susceptible to any law that sometimes not so sane leaders want to push.

Except a MARRIAGE CEREMONY is RELIGIOUS, and by forcing the issue here it violates the 1st amendment!!!!!

As for a different church, most of those, including EVERY major denomination I am familiar with, was FORCED to change, and THAT violated the 1st amendment as well. And with things like Catholicism, a minor change in the lower ranks changes those selected as pope. Look at the current pope. He has made it sound like countries like the US are wholly evil and should give all to the poor, even as he sits in a castle attended to by many, with bullet proof and wasteful transportation , LOTS of money, his own country, etc....

The ABSOLUTE FINAL authority, EVEN with regard to the pope, is supposed to be the BIBLE! Even with reform jews, they are to stick with the law in the old testament. The torah is supposed to restrict it FURTHER, and the MISHNAH EVEN MORE!

If you say that what is supposedly given by GOD can so easily be changed by man, even the entire planet using every nuclear weapon ever even IMAGINED, then when does one realize that something so malleable is simply a story. The whole idea of a religion is that that is how it is to be. If a country fails to realize that, why don't they make them all the same, and change the names to merely the denomination of a new religion, so all will be in peace? Yeah, I KNOW it will never work, but they are obviously claiming it WILL!

HECK, lets make all the languages the same, so we can dispense with all the waste there! And get all the countries under a government that has all share equally?

NOTE!!!!!!!!!!! When I say share equally, I mean EQUALLY!!!!! All must work equally as well!

Yeah, this place COULD have been heaven LONG ago, but people just didn't want it. To read the bible.....

1. Eve and Adam wanted to know good and evil, so they learned it! IMAGINE if nobody learned evil!
2. Cain sacrificed less than able, and was jealous at ables reward and killed him. First death?
3. Sodom and gemorah did what is discussed in this thread, and were destroyed!
4. Sarah and Abraham didn't trust faith and ismael was born. Arabs, and effectively the start of islam.

Believe it or not, similar things happened at some point to get rid of what could have been. The bible places it close to about where israel is today, and now it is one of the WORST areas around. NOT because of its location or environment, but the people.

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Cali16 11 years ago

According to a 2013 survey conducted by the NIH, 97.7% of U.S. adults aged 18 and over identified themselves as straight, 1.6% as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent as bisexual.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf

Of course, survey results don't tell the whole story, and the results may not take into account closeted individuals. So, I suspect the numbers are a little higher than suggested in the survey, but nowhere near the 10% that's often quoted.

Originally Posted by seasoned

Except a MARRIAGE CEREMONY is RELIGIOUS

Steve, many marriage ceremonies aren't religious at all - in fact, non-religious weddings are probably much more common than you realize.

(Edited to add - I hadn't seen your post yet, Dennis.)
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11 years ago

wow I didnt know that about Alabama!

smh!

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Banned 11 years ago

Yeah, and then this Dick ... Moore

Half of Alabama Counties Defy Feds by Blocking Gay Marriage - ABC News

On Sunday night, a state chief justice ordered county judges to deny the licenses and Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley today said he was "disappointed" in a federal appeals court's decision to allow the unions but would not take action against judges who issued licenses.

While some gay Alabamans were able to get marriage licenses, others had less to celebrate. At least 35 Alabama counties had refused to issue marriage licenses today, according to the ABC News count.

One county issued licenses to heterosexual couples, but not a same-sex couple, according to The Associated Press.

The turmoil was set in motion last Tuesday when a federal appeals court ruled against delaying the overturning of Alabama's gay-marriage bans, with U.S. District Judge Callie Granade calling it unconstitutional.

State Attorney General Luther Strange then asked the U.S. Supreme Court for a stay on the marriages until the high court took up the nationwide issue in the spring.

Then, on Sunday night, Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, a vocal opponent of gay marriage, ordered county probate judges to refuse marriage licenses to gay couples today, despite Granade's having ruled that probate judges had a legal duty to issue the licenses.

Moore reportedly called homosexuality an "evil" in a 2002 custody ruling.

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Kay King 11 years ago

I've thought the Supremes went about it wrong - or maybe didn't get the right cases. Instead of forcing state by state to permit gay marriage what was needed was ONE ruling that a marriage legally conducted in any state must be legally recognized in ALL states.

Feds could then set stiff penalties on any state that didn't recognize the marriages - when it came to insurance or employment or adoption, etc.
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11 years ago

The opposite situation is true here. The Federal government doesn't permit gay marriage, so when one state (territory) introduced it the Feds quickly overruled it a week later. All 31 marriages which took place were annulled.

High Court throws out ACT's same-sex marriage laws - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

I don't care If everyone else doesn't have a spine, I think it's wrong.

Male & female have different reproductive body parts for a reason (reproduction). There's something mentally wrong with two same sex people knocking boots.

No religion, no Gov, just common sense.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I don't care If everyone else doesn't have a spine, I think it's wrong.

Male & female have different reproductive body parts for a reason (reproduction). There's something mentally wrong with two same sex people knocking boots.

No religion, no Gov, just common sense.

Dumbest sentence ever.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Dumbest sentence ever.

Didn't take long for someone to prove my point.

Stick with the herd.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Didn't take long for someone to prove my point.

Stick with the herd.

You're on a roll with the dumb sentences tonight aren't you.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

You're on a roll with the dumb sentences tonight aren't you.

It's only dumb to you because you want to be part of the crowd.

Here's where you say something is dumb & I'll say something else that goes against the herd mentality...

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

It's only dumb to you because you want to be part of the crowd.

Here's where you say something is dumb & I'll say something else that goes against the herd mentality...

I know this will require intelligence to understand, but I didn't say your view was dumb. I said calling people that disagree with your view spineless is dumb. I couldn't care less what your views on gay marriage are.

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Originally Posted by yukon

It's only dumb to you because you want to be part of the crowd.

Here's where you say something is dumb & I'll say something else that goes against the herd mentality...

Standing for the equal protections under the law that the constitution provides is not herd mentality. It's standing up for basic civil rights.

But there's quite a large herd, that you apparently are in, that want to deny certain segments of the population equal protection under the law.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I don't care If everyone else doesn't have a spine, I think it's wrong.

Male & female have different reproductive body parts for a reason (reproduction). There's something mentally wrong with two same sex people knocking boots.

No religion, no Gov, just common sense.

Every society that ever existed has had at least a 5 percent ratio of homosexuality or bi-sexuality. Does it effect the propagation of the species?. Look at the world population.

Alan Turin committed suicide due to being convicted of homosexual acts with an adult male in the 50's in the UK. It was against the law there then. His code breaking machine shortened the war by 2 years and saved 14 million lives.

Roll on enlightened times where people can be treated totally as equals and and not be persecuted for something that though minority, has always been with us and is totally normal.

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Dennis Gaskill

11 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Every society that ever existed has had at least a 5 percent ratio of homosexuality or bi-sexuality.

Did you just make that number up?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Did you just make that number up?

While I was getting my degree in psych, all the research I read put the estimates
at about 15% of the population.

>>>>

Why is the Fed telling States what to do on this issue?
(Honest question.)

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

While I was getting my degree in psych, all the research I read put the estimates
at about 15% of the population.

It seemed high to me, and quick search found a study by the CDC that reports:

...1.8 percent of men self-identify as gay and 0.4 percent as bisexual, and 1.5 percent of women self-identify as lesbian and 0.9 percent as bisexual.
The results are generally in the same ballpark as past estimates — and far below the long-debunked 10 percent estimate.

Another study put the total at 3.8 percent. And how could we possibly know, as Ian said, that "Every society that ever existed has had at least a 5 percent ratio of homosexuality or bi-sexuality."

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Why is the Fed telling States what to do on this issue?
(Honest question.)

Good question, and one that I considered raising myself.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

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Why is the Fed telling States what to do on this issue?
(Honest question.)

Yep! This is "the" question.

Civil contracts are States Rights Issues!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Yep! This is "the" question.

Civil contracts are States Rights Issues!

Joe Mobley

Perhaps the justices have dusted off the 14th amendment to the Constitution,
and decided that it means what it says in plain English:
"No State... shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

When I see two guys making out furiously in front of me and my family ...yes it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

And honestly, it will always seem weird and abnormal to me. And against what my Faith dictates.

That being said I will argue tooth and nail until the day Iam buried to make sure gay couples have the right to Marry if they so choose.

Why shouldn't they ?? Why can't they have a shot at Happiness like the rest of us ?

If these hardcore religious fanatics say it is against God and is so sinful then let God take it up with them..

In meantime, everyone else including these Nuts should keep their damn noses out of it.

And worry about their own lives.

Yes, l used to sell ceramics at a new agish type stall, and saw some gay men kiss in front of me, which was no big deal, obviously two attractive women kissing in front of me; a cold bucket of water would come in handy!

Originally Posted by yukon

I don't care If everyone else doesn't have a spine, I think it's wrong.

Male & female have different reproductive body parts for a reason (reproduction). There's something mentally wrong with two same sex people knocking boots.

No religion, no Gov, just common sense.

Hmmmm, mentally wrong? No, l tend to go with the male, female energy thing. And as such have heard of gay individuals who have gone from one polarity to another.

Or become ungay, obviously it is up to the individual, but it can be done!

Originally Posted by yukon

It's only dumb to you because you want to be part of the crowd.

Here's where you say something is dumb & I'll say something else that goes against the herd mentality...

Hmmm, possibly, but the truth about all the religious connotations are , there is no judgement, there is just past acts that need to be balanced sometime!

And if the individual doesn't want to do that this time around, then they have the freedom to do so.

But one day the option will need to be addressed, not because it is wrong or evil, just because it creates an unbalance.

As for the guy who is marrying his dog, apart from barring marriage with a human in AU, he should be put of of his misery. The dog was forced into it, so deserves to get away from this f%%^wit!

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Cali16 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Or become ungay, obviously it is up to the individual, but it can be done!

You're basing this statement on...??

Assuming you're straight, Shane, do you really believe you could just decide or will yourself to become gay (or "unstraight" to use similar terminology)? If not, then why do you assume a gay person could become "ungay"?

Sexual orientation isn't a choice. It's not something anyone can willfully change. People can certainly choose to not live in alignment with their true sexual orientation, as evidenced by some gay and lesbian individuals who stay "in the closet" much or all of their lives (often due to cultural or religious reasons).

Originally Posted by yukon

Male & female have different reproductive body parts for a reason (reproduction).

So, using that same "logic", do you believe people should have sex only to procreate?

Originally Posted by yukon

There's something mentally wrong with two same sex people knocking boots.

There's no empirical evidence to support the classification of homosexuality as a medical or mental disorder.
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Joe Mobley

11 years ago

That's a fair statement.

My secondary thought is that I'm not seeing any unequal protection.

My initial thought is that this issue may not be worth my time.

I might give this additional thought.

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Originally Posted by DJL

Perhaps the justices have dusted off the 14th amendment to the Constitution,
and decided that it means what it says in plain English:
"No State... shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by DJL

Perhaps the justices have dusted off the 14th amendment to the Constitution,
and decided that it means what it says in plain English:
"No State... shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Yep. The same amendment that was used to decide the Loving vs Virginia case in 1967 which invalidated laws that prohibited interracial marriage. Its a civill rights issue. In that case, the local cops broke into the Loving's home hoping to catch the couple having sex because that was also illegal in Virginia. When they found them sleeping they charged them with marrying outside their race and were sentenced to one year in prison!

I can guarantee back then there were the same remarks made about it not being normal or against God's will or some slippery slope argument about what's next. This is a perfect example of when the federal government should step in.

Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yep. The same amendment that was used to decide the Loving vs Virginia case in 1967 which invalidated laws that prohibited interracial marriage. Its a civill rights issue. In that case, the local cops broke into the Loving's home hoping to catch the couple having sex because that was also illegal in Virginia. When they found them sleeping they charged them with marrying outside their race and were sentenced to one year in prison!

I can guarantee back then there were the same remarks made about it not being normal or against God's will or some slippery slope argument about what's next. This is a perfect example of when the federal government should step in.

Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, Tim thanks for sharing. Didn't know this case.

That is just hard to imagine people still had that Mindset and it was the year I was born.

Hopefully, in 47 years people will look back on this gay marriage and realize the stupidity and horror of those that truly believed it shouldn't have been allowed.

Iam not what most would consider Progressive.

But if that is what you call Progressive I am all for it

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Well thought out. Shockingly accurate portrayal of gay people.

And NASA is 47% gay. It's a fact, that I learned in a dream I had last night.

Is bigotry?

Because I know someone that thinks that gay people are abnormal, and mentally ill.

Groan!

Dream,....as long as you cleaned up the mess in the morning!

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yep. The same amendment that was used to decide the Loving vs Virginia case in 1967 which invalidated laws that prohibited interracial marriage.

Its a civil rights issue. In that case, the local cops broke into the Loving's home hoping to catch the couple having sex because that was also illegal in Virginia. When they found them sleeping they charged them with marrying outside their race and were sentenced to one year in prison!

I can guarantee back then there were the same remarks made about it not being normal or against God's will or some slippery slope argument about what's next. This is a perfect example of when the federal government should step in.

Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was also a movie or documentary about this case.

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lanfear63

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Did you just make that number up?

No Dennis. It was always considered to be at least 5 percent.

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Dennis Gaskill

11 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

No Dennis. It was always considered to be at least 5 percent.

It's always been considered to be at least 5 percent by who, if I may ask? Do you have a source?

The sources of data I found show many cultures with lower numbers (and some higher as well), but to say "Every society that ever existed has had at least a 5 percent ratio of homosexuality or bi-sexuality" seems like an unsubstantiated generalization to me.

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lanfear63

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

It's always been considered to be at least 5 percent by who, if I may ask? Do you have a source?

The sources of data I found show many cultures with lower numbers (and some higher as well), but to say "Every society that ever existed has had at least a 5 percent ratio of homosexuality or bi-sexuality" seems like an unsubstantiated generalization to me.

I sourced this a long time ago before the internet. It is a mean average based on all societies going back as far as records and history can be researched. Not an exact science I will admit.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Every society that ever existed has had at least a 5 percent ratio of homosexuality or bi-sexuality. Does it effect the propagation of the species?. Look at the world population.

Alan Turin committed suicide due to being convicted of homosexual acts with an adult male in the 50's in the UK. It was against the law there then. His code breaking machine shortened the war by 2 years and saved 14 million lives.

Roll on enlightened times where people can be treated totally as equals and and not be persecuted for something that though minority, has always been with us and is totally normal.

Since we're throwing out random percentages, my guess is that number is currently at 87%.

Most folks are just along for the ride. Don't rock the boat, run with the crowd, stay in line attitudes. It's the whole need to be socially accepted. We can thank the internet & media for that folly.

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

My daughter says I make a bunch of strange faces whenever male gay activity comes on the tube but that doesn't stop me from laughing at gay on gay jokes - or non gay on gay jokes.

Having said that, I wish them no harm whatsoever and don't think their activity is a danger to society in any way shape or form. I also think its important that those folks deserve equal protection under the law - especially when it comes to financial matters like any other couple that decides and desires to "make it official".

One reason this issue is making progress is that a whole lot of people are realizing that they know someone who is gay - some how, some way and have no malice towards that person or the group.

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Hopefully you'll be six feet under, as is required by law and tradition.

Only being buried three feet under means you were found in a hastily dug shallow grave in a forest somewhere. Makes marrying a dog pale into insignificance doesn't it?

As a service to you, I've corrected your post to reflect a less violent method of passing. Here 'tis.

You're welcome.

Ooooookkkk! Well, not if l end up in Heaven, at least l won't have to sit through a life review, seeing how the dog suffered, because l was a wacko!

Originally Posted by Cali16

You're basing this statement on...??

Assuming you're straight, Shane, do you really believe you could just decide or will yourself to become gay (or "unstraight" to use similar terminology)? If not, then why do you assume a gay person could become "ungay"?

Sexual orientation isn't a choice. It's not something anyone can willfully change. People can certainly choose to not live in alignment with their true sexual orientation, as evidenced by some gay and lesbian individuals who stay "in the closet" much or all of their lives (often due to cultural or religious reasons).
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Groan, l know that this would open a proverbial can....!

Put Some Yin in Your Yang: Balancing Masculine/Feminine Energy

I know that this is getting in air-fairy stuff, but if you are open to this sort of stuff, there is good proof that male/female dispositions are energy based more than mental, or environmental aspects!

And persons that are born gay, are merely creating that experience, for growth reasons, to put it simply!

Gay, no, into new age stuff, definitely!

Well, l do have "My Best Friends Wedding on Tape" but only because l am a Julia Robers fan!

And, no, an individual can go either way, but only if he or she wants, or if they aren't skeptics?

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bizgrower

11 years ago

On the States' rights issue, the concept of preemption might also apply.
Essentially, where there is a conflict between State and Federal laws,
Federal laws apply.

I don't know the Federal laws on gay marriage. I was reminded of preemption
because I was researching laws on "emotional support" dogs and the Americans
with Disabilities Act Disability Act. (New employee wants to bring her "emotional
support" dog to work. They are not protected by the ADA laws, but the FAA does
allow them on planes.)

I guess another angle for the Feds to be involved in gay marriage has to do with
the insurance and pension type benefits to gay partners.

At the personal level, my best friend from high school came out of the closet after
high school. Except in a few rare cases where one is having a really tough time
with identity issues, and the sexual experimentation some do while growing up,
it is not a choice.

Dan

Added later:
Very interesting point about sticking to individual rights, Gary.
My initial reaction to the whole gay marriage issue was why is the
State or Federal government involved at all.

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