No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

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Interesting article.

"The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once."

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  • To me, that kind of makes sense.

    Everything that has a beginning, has an end I see the end coming I see the darkness spreading I s - YouTube
    It doesn't logically make sense to me that with the vast expanse and our lack of view/understanding that something like the universe (perhaps erroneously named) .. it may be more like an omniverse or multiverse or whatever you want to call it.. I just don't see how something like that could cease to exist, and at the same time, could not have 'begun' by our traditional understanding.
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    • What I'm wondering is how does one "predict" a past non-event?
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  • Ok, while not really understanding it all, I don't know about the beginning (or lack of it) but this theory seems to assume that there is an infinite amount of material out there to continually form and maintain stars and galaxies etc. That of course is if you are assuming that the definition of a dead universe is one devoid of them. Perhaps it is not.

    The ultimate fate of all you physically see in the Universe is that it will eventually exhaust its energy, gasses and end up as dead, inactive husks.

    So, if the universe is never ending and a big part of it's definition is that it has stars, galaxies and physical matter then there must be something that will continually renew that. That throws out of the window the observation that although there is a huge, mind boggling amount of material out there, it is still finite.

    If this theory turns out to replace the existing views, then it really pushes the boundaries.
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  • I'm pretty fond of the Fractal Universe...or multiverse....theory. It's still fringe, but is gaining support, and seemingly pretty rapidly.

    No beginning, no end, somehow makes more sense to me. I can't justify anything being conscious just to snuff in the long run. It makes no sense. None.

    I could even see string theory being able to be wrapped into this one as the illusion of a big bang may be just a natural formation at certain intersections of universes. Where the hell is Sheldon when ya need him?
  • I knew Claude would delete that.

    How did I know? Quantum mechanics.
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  • So it was actually there? I was just clicking on another thread and thought I saw that he posted on this thread. Then back to the forum again and not. I thought I was going bozons.
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    • Yay, one big, fat juicy point for believers!

      Glad to know that l am not a delusional, nutter!


      And Claude needs to cut down on Brass statements about our mental health!

      This add's more credibility to the idea that we were created from scratch at some point, and apes are not related to us!

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    Oh who cares.
    Worrying about this not gonna put food on me table.
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  • The question of our existence has intrigued me for a long time. I'm having a hard time believing that this existence that we know has always existed.
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  • With a little editing, we have a sit-com here folks, complete with original characters and witty dialogue. What to call it?
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    • Given that some of the replies to this thread must have been made after partaking of an amount of "whacky baccy", why not call it The Big Bong Theory.
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  • I'm having a hard time believing this existence we know of is all some type of accident.
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    • I agree.

      Instead of going the religious route, I'm thinking our multi-billion light-year wide universe might be little more than a science project for someone(?) else.



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  • Fixed that for you.
    As for what to call it, how about The Unifarce?

    Same here. I also have trouble believing what the religions teach.
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  • o.k T but the internet is far from the creation of all things
    valid points though.


    Thanks ian. glad you fixed that for me
    -WD
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    Guys, I started this thread as a means to show an interesting new development in science, and I did so in hopes that we could have a good discussion on the implications this new development might have on our understanding of the origins of the Universe. You all know better than to turn this into an argument about Religion/God, so please just stop now. I'd rather this thread be a discussion about science and ideas, rather than yet another pointless "debate" about a person's belief in God, or lack thereof.

    Can we please steer this conversation back to the original topic?
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    • So I take it that we are not getting back on topic with this thread.


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    • I'll bet you can't explain in your own words what you just said there.


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