The Science of Anti-Vaccination

What about all the doctors (and there are a lot...) which have gone into research which are not "in the pockets" of big pharma? You don't have to be a practicing doctor in a hospital to publish papers and still hold a medical degree, your training is still there though. Heck, 4 of my lecturers hold a medical degree, all they do is teach and research.

What really makes me do the RCA dog head tilt is that people think the only reason someone would be against vaccines is because of autism. WTF? Now - what other reasons are there not to over-vaccinate? Measles aren't deadly in the US - mostly because of the state of our nutrition and hygiene. So why would someone want to vac for it and be so damned scared about it that they would start screaming to take everyone else's rights to their health freedom away for it?

Ya know - some of the "anti-vaxers" aren't against ALL vaccines. They're against too many vaccines and vaccines for things that aren't very deadly. Most people don't argue about it when it comes to something like smallpox or polio. So why is that?

Have fun with the research. There's a lot of propaganda on both sides so it takes awhile.

Frank is spot on with this statement.

Frank. You need to do what I do.....just get you and your kids vaccinated, and stop worrying about everyone else.


If they want to get sick, why should we stop them?

Remember this, you are basing your whole view based on your experience. Your experience is 1 out of millions of hospitals patients across the USA and 100s millions across the world. Maybe you had a bad intern but the attending obviously realised and corrected it. That is what they are there for, to correct the interns mistakes. There is an absolute wealth of information trainee doctors need to learn, not all relevant to clinical practice but has to be learnt none the less. It's not easy being new to medicine, I'm sure if we all had to do it we would make mistakes and yes, we would make basic mistakes, ill put money on it.

Paul,

Are there books, articles, posts, videos, etc. that list some of these technigues? I recognize some of them but would like to add some structure to my understanding.

Thanks,

Joe Mobley

Paul - I said it's propaganda because not only has he a slanted view on the "vaccine science" - his cognitive science isn't all that acute either. Put that together with the title followed by the disclaimer - this isn't about vaccines at all. Really? He goes on to list some things about vaccines that is not true, then takes off on faulty cognitive science. Judging from the timing of his little broadcast about the cognitive science of biases which is centered around falsely scientific premises about vaccines, he's either stupid or he has an agenda.

So -- I didn't change the subject. I'm pointing out propaganda. As far as saying people are stupid if they don't agree with my stance on vacs? I've already pointed out my confusion that people always think it's because of thimerosal.

The science he used for his example is flawed. I listed the credible links about it from Pubmed somewhere. Thimerosal can cause autism -- measles vaccines do not have thimerosal in them - and small children aren't supposed to receive vacs with it in them because there are credible studies that link the two - done by real and reputable medical labs. So they took it out. A lot of vacs no longer contain it. So - most people on both sides of that issue are wrong. There are still some vacs with thimerosal in them. Those are the ones that actually have warning labels with autism listed as one of the side effects.

Now -- that's the science, and considering that this yahoo based examples on invalid premises - it's propaganda no matter what the point he is making. He'd lose in a college debate on that principal alone. Examples used to support the validity of an argument have to be valid, too.

OKAY?

BTW - I posted the links on Themerosal on another thread. You can look it up on Pub Med if you don't like the "flawed science" premise call on his argument.

Well, I won't try to claim that I'm mature, myself. I get angry about stupid stuff just as easily as anyone else, and I'm just as prone to hurling insults at someone purely for the sake of scoring points.

Even so, I still think that sharing this video will do more good than harm. Like the guy says at the end:

This video certainly made me stop and think about how poorly I handle disagreements. I still have a long way to go yet, but by educating myself and by making an effort to share knowledge, I'll be able to improve as a person.

Oh, it's plenty available. It's just that it's never employed. Where's the fun in that?

Cheers. - Frank