Do Nice Guys Finish Last

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Do nice guys finish last? Or they have the last laugh?


  • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
    Originally Posted by JagSEO View Post

    Do Nice Guys Finish Last
    Yeah, what's it feel like, Jag?

    God, your posts are soooooo boring.
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      Of course.

      Nice guys always let their girlfriends finish 1st.

      That is what you mean right?

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

        Of course.

        Nice guys always let their girlfriends finish 1st.

        That is what you mean right?

        Patrick
        You stole my answer.

        Why is it that men think that women don't like nice guys? We actually do. I do anyhow. Not always lucky in running into them, though.
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    haha what a funny video!

    Nice guys always wins!!
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Earlier I used to be nice, too nice- still finished last.
    Now I am a monster (comparatively) still finished last
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      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Earlier I used to be nice, too nice- still finished last.
      Now I am a monster (comparatively) still finished last
      There's something to be said for consistency.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        There's something to be said for consistency.

        Cheers. - Frank
        True, maybe a "nice, monster" would get you there! You know, Doctor Jekyll during the day, and well, you know....?

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    My thought watching that guy was it would be nice to see Ronda Rousey give him a b*tch slapping for being obnoxious.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Your pathetic videos are a poor SEO attempt to get "links" (that are no follow) to your stupid blogs. What an assmonkey.
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    • Profile picture of the author JagSEO
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Your pathetic videos are a poor SEO attempt to get "links" (that are no follow) to your stupid blogs. What an assmonkey.

      Wow full of hate!
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by JagSEO View Post

        Wow full of hate!

        It has nothing to do with hate. Do you really think that your posts are interesting or do you really think that we can't see them for the SEO fodder that they are?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by JagSEO View Post

        Wow full of hate!
        I'd ignore her Jag. Like I just finished writing theres nothing wrong with your thread. I'd just hit the report button on that name calling. Probably had a bad breakfast or maybe Brian asked for his money again.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Mike -

          Nothing wrong with this thread - except it's the latest installment in the series. One video after another meant to provoke replies or put down one or another segment of society. Many of the videos he's posted are total fakes but presented "look what they did".

          Spread out over a few months, no one would think about it - but the consistent posting one after another week after week gets attention of the wrong kind.

          Tempting as it is to jump in and bash people here you don't like (and I'm beginning to think there's no one you DO like) - if you look at it in context you might understand why people are tired of this person's threads.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Tempting as it is to jump in and bash people here you don't like (and I'm beginning to think there's no one you DO like) - if you look at it in context you might understand why people are tired of this person's threads.
            I Like Jag just fine. You jumping in to defend Suzanne calling people assmonkeys and being vicious to someone who didn't say a thing derogatory to anyone really says it all about what you are about (especially when you jump over that and call my telling him to ignore it "bashing"). If it violates some rule then hit a report button. If not sorry he's a WF member like anyone else and can start a thread.

            Do nice guys finish last beats the tar out of many other threads but if you don't think so you can always go to the A lady bug just landed on my desk thread for more exciting conversation..
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


              Do nice guys finish last beats the tar out of many other threads but if you don't think so you can always go to the A lady bug just landed on my desk thread for more exciting conversation..

              Actually enjoyed this thread a lot too, being a nice guy. I have actually heard women say "I wouldn't go out with you because you are too nice, and women want a bad boy..." granted that was in a biker bar...


              It all depends on where the women are found that you are hanging out with. If you were at a spiritual convention of some sort they would LOVE you... or any place where women go to meet nice people. It all depends on what kind of women you are talking to. It occurs to me that the nice guys getting turned down by women are experiencing that because they are attracted to wild women... It makes sense. They are approaching the wrong kind.


              In any event, don't talk about my lady bug man. I know Karate, and several other Chinese words.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                In any event, don't talk about my lady bug man. I know Karate, and several other Chinese words.
                Actually John I like lady bugs. One of the prettiest insects we have. No put down of your thread but I just don't think you can call it more interesting than this one and yet they just had to diss and attack this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by JagSEO View Post

    Do nice guys finish last? Or they have the last laugh?
    Last laugh. I know some women like the bad boy types but thats usually self correcting (bad boys end up being bad to them). I briefly dated one woman like that who was stunningly beautiful (other guys gawk kind of thing) . Didn't work out because on our first date she was still clearly hung up on her former bad boy boyfriend. By the end of the date (and in subsequent conversations ) she was warming up and beginning to forget about him and wanted us to continue dating but heres the thing - Women that like Bad boys have value issues that come out in some other way. She had been so incredibly rude to the waitress at the restaurant we went to I knew I wanted no such relationship. So in the end nice guys filter out the bad women

    P.S. theres not a thing wrong with your thread. Its amazing given some of the other subjects down here that anyone would claim its boring.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Last laugh. I know some women like the bad boy types but thats usually self correcting (bad boys end up being bad to them). I briefly dated one woman like that who was stunningly beautiful (other guys gawk kind of thing) . Didn't work out because on our first date she was still clearly hung up on her former bad boy boyfriend. By the end of the date (and in subsequent conversations ) she was warming up and beginning to forget about him and wanted us to continue dating but heres the thing - Women that like Bad boys have value issues that come out in some other way. She had been so incredibly rude to the waitress at the restaurant we went to I knew I wanted no such relationship. So in the end nice guys filter out the bad women

      P.S. theres not a thing wrong with your thread. Its amazing given some of the other subjects down here that anyone would claim its boring.
      Not always the case, Mike.

      I married a bad boy who turned out to be a really good guy. He just needed me to rescue him from his environment. The key is being able to look into their soul and see the kind heart hidden beneath. Some bad boys are beyond help though.

      Which brings me to my next question. I just have ask. Are you a good boy or bad boy in your own estimation?

      Personally, I see you as a bad boy beyond help because you are always so mean and nasty to people. And that makes you last.

      Just my opinion is all...


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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Not always the case, Mike.

        I married a bad boy who turned out to be a really good guy. He just needed me to rescue him from his environment. The key is being able to look into their soul and see the kind heart hidden beneath
        Then he wasn't a bad boy then.

        Which brings me to my next question. I just have ask. Are you a good boy or bad boy in your own estimation?
        Judging by the opinion of the women who actually know me in real life I have been considered to be a nice guy. I dunno I never really count the forum flame baiters in the world as interesting suitors so their opinions don't hold any interest to me. Plus nice guys tend to not like not so nice people so hence nice guys argue with them frequently.

        Although I must add that every time I post a certain set of ladies seem terribly infatuated with talking with me. They just see my name in a thread and the attraction is undeniable. If I were even mildly interested (and they were not outside my age group) I might ask

        Do you like Pina Colada? Getting caught in the rain?

        but since I am not we will not be making an escape.
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          I thought the video was kind of entertaining.
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          • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I thought the video was kind of entertaining.
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              Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

              Joe m'love you the master of the understatement
              If you want to get a date with him, just say: "Joe m'love you the master"
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Then he wasn't a bad boy then.

          You're probably right. He just thought he was, lol!


          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Judging by the opinion of the women who actually know me in real life I have been considered to be a nice guy. I dunno I never really count the forum flame baiters in the world as interesting suitors so their opinions don't hold any interest to me. Plus nice guys tend to not like not so nice people so hence nice guys argue with them frequently.

          Although I must add that every time I post a certain set of ladies seem terribly infatuated with talking with me. They just see my name in a thread and the attraction is undeniable. If I were even mildly interested (and they were not outside my age group) I might ask

          Do you like Pina Colada? Getting caught in the rain?

          but since I am not we will not be making an escape.
          I like Pina Coladas and walking through the rain, but I already have my special someone to enjoy those things with.

          Word of advice: Lay off the french red stuff that WC likes to partake of because it's causing you to hallucinate too.


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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Word of advice: Lay off the french red stuff that WC likes to partake of because it's causing you to hallucinate too
            If you think I am hallucinating when I say you are drawn to interact with me(as you just did again) then I think he should try what you are drinking. The buzz will last a month.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              If you think I am hallucinating when I say you are drawn to interact with me(as you just did again) then I think he should try what you are drinking. The buzz will last a month.
              I'm drawn to interact with Claude and Riffle and BigFrank too, so what?

              I'd rather a month long buzz over hallucination any and every day.


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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                I'd rather a month long buzz over hallucination any and every day.
                Apparently you are experiencing both at the moment. I've told you i am not interested. All this clamouring for my attention is futile Terra. Or are you trying to make some point of where you stand in reference to the OP?
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Apparently you are experiencing both at the moment. I've told you i am not interested. All this clamouring for my attention is futile Terra. Or are you trying to make some point of where you stand in reference to the OP?

                  Dude, get over yourself. Never would I be interested. Never! Not even if you were the last man on earth! I just happen to like to have the last word or 10.

                  Got it?

                  Now quit talking to me!!


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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                    Dude, get over yourself. Never would I be interested. Never!
                    What else can you say after being told what you can't have? Its the universal save face refrain of humans to claim the unattainable was never wanted. I understand. Whatever gives you a way out of your unrequited attraction. .

                    However please convey to the other ladies my unavailability so we don't have them all rushing in to demonstrate the psychological principles inherent in denial. Derailing the thread with desperation would be unfair to the OP.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      What else can you say after being told what you can't have? Its the universal save face refrain of humans to claim the unattainable was never wanted. I understand. Whatever gives you a way out of your unrequited attraction. .

                      However please convey to the other ladies my unavailability so we don't have them all rushing in to demonstrate the psychological principles inherent in denial. Derailing the thread with desperation would be unfair to the OP.





                      Baam!


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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post




                        Yes precisely. Like you pretending you did not feel compelled to initiate interaction with me without any encouragement on my part. Your path to enlightenment has begun..Hug the hubby and be satisfied with what you can have.
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                        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Yes precisely. Like you pretending you did not feel compelled to initiate interaction with me without any encouragement on my part. Your path to enlightenment has begun..Hug the hubby and be satisfied with what you can have.

                          Mike,

                          Read this again and then look at my avatar...

                          “The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is that he wants to believe.”

                          I am obviously a woman. Duh!!


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                          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                            Hug the hubby and be satisfied with what you can have.
                            Wait! What?

                            You want to bring hubby into this? Okay, hold on a second...


                            Okay, after reading through this thread, he said to tell that desperate a-hole to give it up, he's displaying every quality that you hate in a man! Hahahaaaaa! Snort! OMGoodnes! LMBO! Hahahahaha!! Hee hee Heeee! Snort! Haaaaa!

                            I love my hubby!

                            Looks like the joke's on you, lol!


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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            Mike,

                            Read this again and then look at my avatar...
                            I did and I am sufficiently educated to know man within context is used for humanity male and female. As for your avatar yes I am aware you are blond. Thats not the reason I am uninterested. I draw no stereotypes from it and made no Reese Witherspoon related associations..

                            Okay, after reading through this thread, he said to tell that desperate a-hole to give it up, he's displaying every quality that you hate in a man
                            Give what up? my first stated disinterest? Bad hubby.but the answer is still no....not interested . theres not enough Pina Colada's in the world.
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                            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              I did and I am sufficiently educated to know man within context is used for humanity male and female. As for your avatar yes I am aware you are blond. Thats not the reason I am uninterested. I draw no stereotypes from it and made no Reese Witherspoon related associations..
                              First off, saying you know what someone meant by a statement is conjecture. Not allowed in the court of law. Over ruled!

                              Secondly, get your eyes checked. I'm a brunette.





                              Need more proof?


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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                Secondly, get your eyes checked. I'm a brunette.
                                I'm sorry if the white roots threw me off - Blending effect.

                                Need more proof?
                                Nope I rest my case. Get glasses. There are clearly less than brown highlights be they Clairol or otherwise.
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                                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  I'm sorry if the white roots threw me off - Blending effect.
                                  Highlights. Geez, you don't know anything about women!

                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Give what up? my first stated disinterest?
                                  No, stating that I'm attracted to you.

                                  Anyway, I'm done with ya!


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              • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                I'm drawn to interact with Claude and Riffle and BigFrank too, so what?

                I'd rather a month long buzz over hallucination any and every day.


                Terra
                I thought you liked me, too. But I guess it's over.



                It still cracks me up. A customer's credit card slipped out of her hand while she was paying.
                It kind of flew at me. I joked about how I thought she liked us. Instantly, she said, "I did, but now it's over." (Maybe you had to be there.)
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                  I thought you liked me, too. But I guess it's over.



                  It still cracks me up. A customer's credit card slipped out of her hand while she was paying.
                  It kind of flew at me. I joked about how I thought she liked us. Instantly, she said, "I did, but now it's over." (Maybe you had to be there.)

                  I do like you. I didn't include you in the list of rude guys above because you're not prone to being rude.

                  Oh, and it ain't over until the fat lady sings.


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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I guess in a word the rejection is all about ineffective targeting. And going out to various places where women hang , with the intention of meeting them is "bum marketing". You gotta be bumming in the right market for your offer.


    Some guy asked one of my old managers how he always got the classiest women, when he was kind of a bum himself from appearances, and his answer was that he didn't really have any secret, he just hung out at classier bars... it made perfect sense to him.


    Was kind of eye opening for me as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Holy crap people. Freaking stop it - there's a lot more really serious stuff to get freaky with each other over than this thread, ya think?

    As far as the videos being SEO bait - that might be true and if so, it needs to be reported, and Jag needs to stop it. Period.

    As far as my personal thoughts about the videos. I get bored with people coming in and posting video after video, too. A well placed one once in awhile doesn't bother me - but cripes, if I wanted to do nothing but watch "TV" I wouldn't come to the forum to yack. I didn't watch this video - my connection is slow and I didn't feel like the hassle of it one more time -- instead I just responded to the question, because it seems like a lot of men ask this one. So all in all, it's a relevant question for discussion.

    I used to like bad-boys. For one thing, they seem a little vain so keep themselves well toned, and usually dressed kinda hot. They were always tempting the rules somehow so they were exciting.

    Later they became a pain because they can be rude, obnoxious, and untrustworthy. I was wearing very thin with them, but the "nice guys" were all so boring. Too soft spoken to say what they really think, not really into the outdoors, interesting in an intellectual way, but left something to be desired.

    Then I got into the rock hound arena. Nice guys - but with that flair for adventure and even a little danger that the nice boys I knew in my earlier years lacked. Some of em are even really majorly hot on an intellectual plane. Problem solved. It's not "nice" that's the problem. It's a lack of adventurous spirit that will lose the woman's interest. Don't worry about it, though. Some women are hum-drum geeks, too. Why do dull guys want flashy women? Same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author UnkwnUsr
    Oh, the myth of the nice guy is being brought up again. In reality most nice guys are only that way because they don't have the traits needed to be anything else. If their circumstances were to change then suddenly they stop being so nice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Mike Anthony makes a good point about a woman's issues when it comes to choosing "bad boys"

      last April I finally walked away from a 14 year relationship with a "bad boy"
      to be fair - he wasn't all bad - but he was a nasty weekend drunk, and when drunk he was verbally and mentally abusive to me.
      I took it for all that time - until I finally walked away - I have since spent time learning to love myself - getting back my self worth - and I know now why I walked away from good guys before - I felt I didn't deserve them.

      I know better now.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        I have since spent time learning to love myself - getting back my self worth - and I know now why I walked away from good guys before - I felt I didn't deserve them.
        Karen I don't know you well and we are usually on the opposite sides of issues but I can say entirely objectively that any woman that stays in an abusive relationship for 14 years (wrong to do so or not) exhibits a KEY quality of commitment that makes her HIGHLY deserving of a good guy.

        Take it as a five star qualification of your deserving status when you go "shopping"..
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        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        last April I finally walked away from a 14 year relationship with a "bad boy"
        to be fair - he wasn't all bad - but he was a nasty weekend drunk, and when drunk he was verbally and mentally abusive to me.
        I took it for all that time - until I finally walked away - I have since spent time learning to love myself - getting back my self worth - and I know now why I walked away from good guys before - I felt I didn't deserve them.

        I know better now.
        Good for you, Karen! I'm sure that wasn't easy to do. But it sounds like you're realizing now that you are absolutely deserving of a guy who treats you well.

        I hope one of these days you find someone who is truly worthy of you!
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          I've run out of "thanks" but I appreciate the kind words, Mike and Cali.

          It has been an eye-opener for me - and though I do know I deserve to be with a good guy, I'm certainly not looking and rather enjoying being single and not having to answer to anyone but myself. I'm sure that's understandable...

          anyway - here's to the "nice guys" - may you all find a "nice girl" if you so desire!
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          • Profile picture of the author butters
            Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

            I've run out of "thanks" but I appreciate the kind words, Mike and Cali.

            It has been an eye-opener for me - and though I do know I deserve to be with a good guy, I'm certainly not looking and rather enjoying being single and not having to answer to anyone but myself. I'm sure that's understandable...

            anyway - here's to the "nice guys" - may you all find a "nice girl" if you so desire!
            Your find one nothing wrong with being single either! Enjoy life, do everything you want to do and don't let anyone say you can't. That "nice guy" will come along when you least expect it just don't let anyone dictate what you can and can't do! Get the guy who gives you complete freedom and trust, if you get that, hold onto it!
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            • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              Your find one nothing wrong with being single either! Enjoy life, do everything you want to do and don't let anyone say you can't. That "nice guy" will come along when you least expect it just don't let anyone dictate what you can and can't do! Get the guy who gives you complete freedom and trust, if you get that, hold onto it!
              thank you, Lee - I'll remember your words

              this thread is actually interesting - because it gives us a perspective of human nature - it seems men and women are attracted to people and situations sometimes that are not in our best interests - and maybe part of the reason it happens is so that we learn, as I did, about ourselves, about what we need to change about ourselves to become whole and happy.

              of course, there are those who never learn - and that is such a waste of life.
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        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        Mike Anthony makes a good point about a woman's issues when it comes to choosing "bad boys"

        last April I finally walked away from a 14 year relationship with a "bad boy"
        to be fair - he wasn't all bad - but he was a nasty weekend drunk, and when drunk he was verbally and mentally abusive to me.
        I took it for all that time - until I finally walked away - I have since spent time learning to love myself - getting back my self worth - and I know now why I walked away from good guys before - I felt I didn't deserve them.

        I know better now.
        You go girl!

        And...





        and that's the truth!


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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          You go girl!

          And...





          and that's the truth!


          Terra
          awwww - right back at ya, Terra!
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        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        Mike Anthony makes a good point about a woman's issues when it comes to choosing "bad boys"

        last April I finally walked away from a 14 year relationship with a "bad boy"
        to be fair - he wasn't all bad - but he was a nasty weekend drunk, and when drunk he was verbally and mentally abusive to me.
        I took it for all that time - until I finally walked away - I have since spent time learning to love myself - getting back my self worth - and I know now why I walked away from good guys before - I felt I didn't deserve them.

        I know better now.
        I thought my last one was a nice guy. Didn't know he was a "bad boy" until he started melting down. There's just no way to tell what you're buying until you get the package unwrapped.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          I thought my last one was a nice guy. Didn't know he was a "bad boy" until he started melting down. There's just no way to tell what you're buying until you get the package unwrapped.
          true - and even if you take the time to get to know someone you don't really know them until you actually live with them -
          which is why I'm not sure I want to live with anyone again - having a companion is one thing - but living with one is quite another - they say time heals all wounds - mine haven't completely healed yet as you can tell.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          I thought my last one was a nice guy. Didn't know he was a "bad boy" until he started melting down. There's just no way to tell what you're buying until you get the package unwrapped.
          I thought my last one was a "nice guy" and a heterosexual. Didn't have a clue he was a bi scrounging around the dregs of the Internet for anything with a pulse. None of the "bad boys" I dated could hold a candle to Mr. Nice Guy in terms of badness. lol.

          That's when I decided that single life was for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by UnkwnUsr View Post

      Oh, the myth of the nice guy is being brought up again. In reality most nice guys are only that way because they don't have the traits needed to be anything else. If their circumstances were to change then suddenly they stop being so nice.
      If you are female I guess I can understand such a jaded point of view.
      If you are male do any potential offspring the favor and stay away from women.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        If you are female I guess I can understand such a jaded point of view.
        If you are male do any potential offspring the favor and stay away from women.

        You said what I hesitated to say in order not to start something... but thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author UnkwnUsr
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        If you are female I guess I can understand such a jaded point of view.
        If you are male do any potential offspring the favor and stay away from women.
        A tired response on a cliche topic, try not be so touchy I was just pointing out some basic psychology. Rarely is any human action not at least somewhat motivated by selfish desires. If you desire to see yourself as the nice guy then that's fine. I for one will accept that there are deeper psychological reasons for people's behavior that are shaped by many different factors and circumstances. I will even admit that I'm not 100% nice at all times.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by UnkwnUsr View Post

          A tired response on a cliche topic
          Yes your earlier blanket statement fit that bill exactly.

          I was just pointing out some basic psychology
          Yes again I know. Your earlier post was a fine example of the basic psychology of projection where you project your errant thoughts and perspectives as being those of all men.

          Rarely is any human action not at least somewhat motivated by selfish desires.
          So what? Being nice to a woman in your life tends to give the niceness you would want back(and if it doesn't then you would want to step out of that relationship NOT become something else). recognizing that in no shape or form equals......

          because they don't have the traits needed to be anything else
          Its a choice to treat the woman in your life as you would want to be treated. Doing so is not synonymous with being selfless - just rational and fair.

          Come back when you have put more thought into it.
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          • Profile picture of the author UnkwnUsr
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Yes again I know. Your earlier post was a fine example of the basic psychology of projection where you project your errant thoughts and perspectives as being those of all men.
            Don't worry you can be the exception since you're so special.

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            So what? Being nice to a woman in your life tends to give the niceness you would want back(and if it doesn't then you would want to step out of that relationship NOT become something else). recognizing that in no shape or form equals......
            Doing something for what you'll get in return is not my definition of being nice. In fact it sounds more like business transaction. In that case the "nice guy" card is played in an attempt to get a desired outcome. If some other means were possible then those might be employed as well.

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Its a choice to treat the woman in your life as you would want to be treated. Doing so is not synonymous with being selfless - just rational and fair.
            What does rationality and fairness have to do with relationships?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by UnkwnUsr View Post

              Doing something for what you'll get in return is not my definition of being nice. In fact it sounds more like business transaction. In that case the "nice guy" card is played in an attempt to get a desired outcome. If some other means were possible then those might be employed as well.
              Like I said come back when you have at least tried to think it through. Until you do you will tend toward disgracing your gender. Women being nice to you back is a benefit not the defining reason to be nice. That comes from rationality and a desire to be fair to the loved ones in your life which I already mentioned and went straight over your head. The fact that benefits can be derived for self from being nice doesn't mean its the reason for being nice.

              Its obvious you know nothing about good relationships of any kind. I love my children because of who I am and even when they have had nothing to give back. Is it totally selfless? No because I derive a GREAT personal satisfaction out of loving them regardless of what they can do back for me.

              Your blunder is you think being nice requires no benefits or self satisfaction back and because of your own makeup as a person you don't see how being nice to a woman in a man's life can IN ITSELF be self rewarding because some men have the character that derives self satisfaction from being kind to them.

              What does rationality and fairness have to do with relationships?
              You've established pretty definitively that in your relationships the answer is nothing. What you will never establish is that its so for all men. I don't think you have to worry about it since you are unlikely to be in any good relationship any time soon.. Its not a bad thing though.You can use the time to work on you because you are the reason for that to begin with.

              Your input was not without value I might add - at least not to me.It reaffirmed to me how good a point women have about men and why other men should be obliged to work as hard as we can to take the bad taste out of their experiences of dealing with the bad ones. If they are jaded toward men its not usually their fault.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    My uncle gave me some advice, and that was that you have to spend 4 seasons with someone before you can begin to know them. In my most recent relationship, I have heeded that advice, and it his turned out to be really good after a year and a half..., however his wisdom was still true. You don't begin to know someone till you spend four seasons with them.
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