Would You Stop Someone Doing The Unthinkable

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Would you stop someone in ending his life because of a tough time? You will learn a lot from those people who've gone through a lot but still continue to survive.

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    • Profile picture of the author JagSEO
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post


      Ban for what? You don't want to spread good deeds?
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Mods ban members for breaking forum rules.

      Jags has not broken any.

      Why do you want him banned?


      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Mods ban members for breaking forum rules.

        Jags has not broken any.

        Why do you want him banned?


        Terra
        Sounds like WC, is trying to take the heat off himself, l feel another "Why Does Everybody Hate Me", thread on the horizon"?

        Oh, well another plate of chicken breasts and a shower, will fix that?


        I suppose the thing about JagSEO, is this forum is mainly about conspiracy theory's, scientific breakthroughs and anomalies, and unexplainable events. Not really the best place for collage, mockup videos?

        And humour, as long as it is good or clever!

        Or a bit like a womens magazine, being slipped inside of Scientific American, doesn't quite work.


        I think that a lot of us keep coming back here, because of the above reasons, so someone relatively new, posting Facebook type videos, goes against the grain.

        And l know we should chill out, but if someone constantly posts videos like this in this forum, then it is inevitable the pot will be stirred!

        I think that we all need a puppy or a kitten?



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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Years ago, I was knocking on doors, selling vacuum cleaners.

          I knocked on a door, and a tall lovely blond woman answered. I offered her a set of cutlery, if she would let me show her my vacuum.
          She said "I don't believe it. I'm planning on taking my own life tonight, and you show up offering me knives?'

          She asked me to come in, and proceeded to tell me about her troubles. None of them seemed all that bad to me. But she was distraught. She said "after you leave, I'm going to cut my wrists".

          I said "Is it OK if I stay and watch?".

          Her; "You'll try to stop me"
          Me; "No, seriously, I'd like to watch. I won't stop you".

          I listened to her for an hour or so, talking about how it's the end of the world for her.
          Then, I showed her my vacuum cleaner, and she bought it.

          We became friends, and later she asked me why I acted like I would have let her kill herself. I said "It wasn't an act. I may have called 911 after you did it, but I wouldn't have stopped you. If you really wanted to kill yourself, you would have".
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          Years later, a coworker called his wife, (she owned the company we worked at) telling her he was going to jump off a bridge. He had a real gambling problem, and owed a bookie some real money. She wanted me to go with her, because she thought I would be able to talk him down. He told her not to call the police. She didn't.

          We got there, and he was sitting on a concrete support for the bridge. She talked to him for awhile, and then asked me to talk to him. I said....

          "Are you really going to do it?" And he said "I can't think of a way out". And I said "How much money do you have in your wallet?" He said "Maybe $100. What difference does it make?".

          I said, "Well, if you jump, you won't need it. Why not give it to your wife. And your rings. Let's do this the right way"

          The whole thing was a way for him to keep his wife from leaving him, after he embezzled thousands of dollars from her company, to gamble with. If he was going to end it, she couldn't be mad at him. I knew about it (from him) going in.

          He kept trying to make it about how he is so distraught. She kept crying...he kept crying...I kept telling him what to do to prepare to jump. I told him he wasn't high enough, and he'd probably just be crippled. I told him he needed to get to the center of the bridge.

          His wife was buying his story. She was getting hysterical. And she wasn't too happy with me. Someone driving by (I assume), called the police, and they came and talked him down.

          Later, his wife(a wonderful strong woman) thanked me for "Pretending not to care, to stall him from jumping. And keeping a level head.".

          Later he asked me why I was using psychology on him. I told him I wasn't. That I would have let him jump. Because of him, and his gambling and stealing from the company, she later lost their business, home, and many of their friends. What a waste.

          Added later; To clarify, I didn't watch the video. And if it was a teenager, child, or someone injured, I wouldn't have acted that way. I'm not a compassionate person. But I'm not a monster.
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          • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Years ago, I was knocking up vacuum cleaners..
            Fixed for you. Your Welcome.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

              Fixed for you. Your Welcome.
              Fixed that for you. You're welcome.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post



          I suppose the thing about JagSEO, is this forum is mainly about conspiracy theory's, scientific breakthroughs and anomalies, and unexplainable events. Not really the best place for collage, mockup videos?

          And humour, as long as it is good or clever!

          Or a bit like a womens magazine, being slipped inside of Scientific American, doesn't quite work.

          Wow. So you think the off topic section is no place for Jagseo because he doesn't meet the high quality standards set by such intellectual powerhouses such as yourself? His posts are like women's magazines and yours are like Scientific American? Now, THAT is funny.
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Wow. So you think the off topic section is no place for Jagseo because he doesn't meet the high quality standards set by such intellectual powerhouses such as yourself? His posts are like women's magazines and yours are like Scientific American? Now, THAT is funny.
            Haha Tim!

            You made me laugh. I needed it. Especially today.

            Thanks!


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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Wow. So you think the off topic section is no place for Jagseo because he doesn't meet the high quality standards set by such intellectual powerhouses such as yourself? His posts are like women's magazines and yours are like Scientific American? Now, THAT is funny.
            Understatement....it was ROFL funny. I m still literally chuckling
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    I talked a bi-polar guy out of eating a bullet.

    ( Not some attention seeking cry for help - a for real moment -
    and if i did not have really fast hands - he would not be on this earth any more )

    Turns out - it's one of my larger mistakes in life.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      I talked a bi-polar guy out of eating a bullet.

      ( Not some attention seeking cry for help - a for real moment -
      and if i did not have really fast hands - he would not be on this earth any more )

      Turns out - it's one of my larger mistakes in life.
      That's like an ending to a season in a tv program you really like, you leave the question why!? Seriously tho, why was it a mistake?
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      • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
        I've spent several minutes trying to properly articulate my feelings on this. I'm sure it was made with the best of intentions, and I'm sure it will make countless people feel great about themselves and yada yada yada. I think my main issue concerns how someone with genuine mental health issues is supposed to take it? There are nice people in the world? Whoop de do.


        Yeah, good intentions. Does absolutely nothing for anyone who actually needs help though.
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    Did these kind of stories happen often while selling d2d?

    Not just about people killing themselves, but just off odd stories like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Did these kind of stories happen often while selling d2d?

      Not just about people killing themselves, but just off odd stories like that.


      I'm pretty sure most of Claude's stories come from various episodes of The Streets of San Francisco.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      This thread is why I DISLIKE the videos Jag seems to believe are "interesting.

      I don't watch the videos because, like others here, I have REAL life experiences I don't care to be reminded of on a forum. I certainly have no interest in watching fake prank videos about those experiences.

      I talked a man out of killing me (in front of my children) and 2 days later he killed himself. Two days after I saved my own life he called me and said "I'm going to kill myself" - I told him "go for it". He did.

      A 16 yr old friend of my son was unhappy and depressed. We were leaving home to go shopping and saw his car turning on our street - we went on, thinking we would talk to him later. He killed himself that night. My son still wonders if we could have stopped him.

      A friend in another state had told me details of her marriage problems and her husband's temper. She called to say she was meeting with him to arrange terms of a divorce. I told her "it's suicide to meet with him alone" and she said everything was fine. He killed her a few hours later.

      A woman I worked with seemed perfectly fine when I talk to her at the end of the week. That weekend she drove her car into a parking garage and shot herself in the head.

      I went out with a man I had known for a while. Handsome, nice guy - but not over his ex-wife and definitely not over the drinking problem that ended his marriage. I opted out of any further involvement but we were friends. He called me to talk one day and left a message when I didn't answer, then called his ex-wife and left a message for her- then put a chair in the middle of his living room and shot himself.

      These were not pranks for YouTube - they were real life...where most of us live.

      Tim - no high standards here. The constant video posting of this type puts me off because JagSEO posts them consistently when he posts similar/same videos to the site in his signature. They appear to be nothing more than strategy and the OP doesn't post his own thoughts about the topics he starts. Perhaps that's apt for a marketing forum but didn't used to be the case in the OT.

      Whatever - he can post what he wants, of course. We can say we want about it. Fair enough.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        This thread is why I DISLIKE the videos Jag seems to believe are "interesting.
        Kay, one of the strengths of the OTF is that the members can take an apparently unpromising thread and turn it into an interesting one (like this) or at least into a mildly humorous diversion.

        Jag's harmless enough. You can always just skip over the videos and respond to the comments.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I agree Frank - and, trust me, I DO skip over the videos!

          Sometimes, though, I think his comments and the videos are quite callous and unthinking. Leads me to believe he needs some life experience himself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        This thread is why I DISLIKE the videos Jag seems to believe are "interesting.
        I think we heard you the first five of his threads you complained in (even in the one where you said you would leave him alone but just can't).

        These were not pranks for YouTube - they were real life...where most of us live.
        Actually since you admit you didn't watch the video (but yet are crying him down without relevant knowledge) the video is real life to the two cabbies involved and the real life value of the video beyond the suicide aspect is seeing two real live human beings being OUTSTANDING human beings going above and beyond to save a stranger. I expected people to try and stop him but the passion and pretty effective (emotionally) way they attempted to do it was truly inspiring.

        In all the suicide situations you listed (as if they are some strike against the video ) the people would have been more likely to have changed their decision with those Cabbies in the video than say Claude's "I just want to watch" approach and yet here you are complaining and coming up with about your fourth excuse as to why Jag shouldn't post.

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I DO skip over the videos!

        Sometimes, though, I think his comments and the videos are quite callous and unthinking. Leads me to believe he needs some life experience himself.
        Sometimes people just stumble over themselves in their agenda. If someone is skipping over the videos how do they know the present videos they are commenting against are callous and unthinking? and what solid life experience does anyone have who is constantly trying to censor someone even though they don't have the power to actually do so?

        sigh....
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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Wow. So you think the off topic section is no place for Jagseo because he doesn't meet the high quality standards set by such intellectual powerhouses such as yourself? His posts are like women's magazines and yours are like Scientific American? Now, THAT is funny.
          Scientific American should sue you for linking them to Shane.......... Shane's posts are like old episodes of Lost In Space, but without all the attention to scientific accuracy.
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Shane's posts are like old episodes of Lost In Space and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
            Mixed with the Twilight Zone and Hee-Haw.
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              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              Mixed with the Twilight Zone and Hee-Haw.
              LOL....I like that combination although I only saw repeats of hee haw a couple times

              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              This thread makes me want to jump off the front porch.
              We'll send Claude over to make sure you get the most effective landing relevant to whatever you are trying to achieve.
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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                ... although I only saw repeats of hee haw a couple times.
                It's been scientifically proven that it's humanly impossible to watch more than two episodes of Hee Haw.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  It's been scientifically proven that it's humanly impossible to watch more than two episodes of Hee Haw.
                  Further studies indicate that no one actually watched it in entirety. they just left it on for the segments where the girls might appear in country attire or lack thereof.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I said, "Well, if you jump, you won't need it. Why not give it to your wife. And your rings. Let's do this the right way"

            The whole thing was a way for him to keep his wife from leaving him, after he embezzled thousands of dollars from her company, to gamble with. If he was going to end it, she couldn't be mad at him. I knew about it (from him) going in.

            He kept trying to make it about how he is so distraught. She kept crying...he kept crying...I kept telling him what to do to prepare to jump. I told him he wasn't high enough, and he'd probably just be crippled. I told him he needed to get to the center of the bridge.

            His wife was buying his story. She was getting hysterical. And she wasn't too happy with me. Someone driving by (I assume), called the police, and they came and talked him down.

            Later, his wife(a wonderful strong woman) thanked me for "Pretending not to care, to stall him from jumping. And keeping a level head.".

            Later he asked me why I was using psychology on him. I told him I wasn't. That I would have let him jump. Because of him, and his gambling and stealing from the company, she later lost their business, home, and many of their friends. What a waste.
            Yes, l can relate to that story, when you have blown a lot, your mind tends to put up a wall that seems impossible to scale, (or emotions to be more accurate).

            I seriously wanted to hit a tree coming back from the airport, after realizing that l had been conned.

            But the ironic thing is, l will soon have reduced my depts down to the level it was before meeting the subcreature.

            And that loss motivated me to work hard to reduce it. I have achieved a lot, but am still working on it!

            Jumping off a bridge or not is a relatively easy choice, but if you botch it up, and land on land instead of the water, then suffering horribly before dying can result!


            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Wow. So you think the off topic section is no place for Jagseo because he doesn't meet the high quality standards set by such intellectual powerhouses such as yourself? His posts are like women's magazines and yours are like Scientific American? Now, THAT is funny.
            Jeesh, l need to start ramming kittens down members throats????

            No, l said that it might not be a perfect fit, and as such p*** off some members!

            yours are like Scientific American?
            Well, Scientific American/UFO Conspiracy Theory Monthly/Cute Kitten Book!

            And l have posted some video's l thought were funny, but a few members here didn't like it, so l stopped!

            It seems like jagseo, is intentionally thrashing them, so to burn out the members that aren't happy with them!

            It might work, but l doubt it! But on the other hand ditching the college videos for an article might help?


            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Scientific American should sue you for linking them to Shane.......... Shane's posts are like old episodes of Lost In Space, but without all the attention to scientific accuracy.
            WHAT!!!! I just finished watching the second color episode, where they are traveling at half the speed of light, but the camera shots show the Jupiter Two traveling at 10 mph!

            Hmmm, l won't comment on the rest, but would like to know when you and butters are tying the knot? I know that WC, might gatecrash, but life has risks!




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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                WTF is hee haw?

                It was a show put out by Scientific American in the US. It won't appear so if you look it up on youtube but after watching say two or three hours you will get the science of it

                also when you come back I think you will have a much greater appreciation for Jag's videos.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              the video is real life to the two cabbies involved
              This was another in the video line from "Pranksters"...and this is what THEY have to say about THEIR video....

              It's a subject that needs addressing, And with sensitivity. Luckily, although they're pranksters by trade, Roman Atwood and fouseyTUBE can be trusted to do just that. Their latest social experiment needs to be seen.
              Of course it needs to be seen - gotta keep those numbers going up and up.

              You know you're watching a Roman Atwood prank when the action's as hilarious as it is outrageous. He surrounds himself with funny people too. He hit the headlines back in 2013 when an anniversary prank he pulled on his long-term girlfriend backfired in spectacular fashion. Roman 'confesses' to cheating on her. She - on having seen him set up his hidden camera - pranks him immediately back by admitting her own (made up) infidelity.
              fauseyTUBE =This Palestinian-American internet phenomenon is a top, top prankster. Funny, daring and not a little bit insane, some of his best-loved stunts have racked up tens of millions of views.
              These guys are skilled and they are funny - but they are pranksters and after a few dozen of the pranks, it's tiresome. BUT - that's my problem and I know how to handle it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                This was another in the video line from "Pranksters"...and this is what THEY have to say about THEIR video.
                Kay theres just no way to else to put it...claiming to know what is in a video while refusing to watch it is just blatantly ignorant. Anyone who has actually watched the video realizes how silly your charge is and how utterly ridiculous you are being. Furthermore what they say about the video is right under the video at youtube

                We didn't start filming this video hoping to capture people NOT willing to help us. We filmed it to show the better side of people. The positive side. The compassionate side. Neither of us were prepared for what unfolded and were both left speechless at the end of the day. So many different lessons can be taken away from this video. Hope you leave with at least one. Share this video with friends and family members who may need to hear this. You never know how much you're actually helping.
                could the cabbies be great actors? always possible but you are just waaaaaaaay off as its not a funny video.
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                • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Kay theres just no way to else to put it...claiming to know what is in a video while refusing to watch it is just blatantly ignorant. Anyone who has actually watched the video realizes how silly your charge is and how utterly ridiculous you are being. Furthermore what they say about the video is right under the video at youtube



                  could the cabbies be great actors? always possible but youa re just waaaaaaaay off as its not a funny video.


                  I can't say I agree with Kay completely, but the video is misguided. The only people that can take benefit from it are those not currently suffering from mental health issues. Sure, it will make your average Joe feel warm and fuzzy about a wonderful display of strangers helping people in need, but that's it. There are plenty of ways to show this without trivialising (unintentionally, I have no doubt) the issue of suicide.


                  This is viral video making 101. Unfortunately, it does nothing for those in need.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

                    I can't say I agree with Kay completely, but the video is misguided. The only people that can take benefit from it are those not currently suffering from mental health issues.
                    So you say but watching it I was impressed by the drivers' passion and I think it will cause some people to ask if they would be as passionate and there are situations where people who are going through issues may be helped by signs people care. We film people all the time and the result is discussion on how how we would act under similar circumstances. We quite often do learn from it. Shucks we purposefully train people by such videos at times so you don't make a solid point. However to be honest I think you are a bit confused and off the point of the video.

                    Just like your objecting to the video isn't likely to help anyone suffering from mental illness the video wasn't claiming it would either. The goal was to see how people NOT suffering from mental health issues respond to those who appear to be.

                    So sure as I am eating lunch you could say that does nothing to help mental health issue but that was not the goal of me eating lunch. The makers of the video wanted to see how non mentally ill people respond not how the mentally ill would. Unless you are saying that can never be the goal of any experiment then the ojection is not relevant to what they were trying to do.

                    The whole trivialization claim is weak. It could have turned out that way for sure but what actually happened and is on the video is no trivilization and Kay's claim that because the makers are pranksters all their videos must be seen to be just about that is a HUGE and obvious failure of logic.

                    This is viral video making 101.
                    I am not sure what point that is supposed to make. Charitable giving is corporate PR 101 but I am not going to boo and hiss if Google wants to highlight mental illness one month because it may have PR benefits.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      So you say but watching it I was impressed by the drivers' passion and I think it will cause some people to ask if they would be as passionate and there are situations where people who are going through issues may be helped by signs people care. We film people all the time and the result is discussion on how how we would act under similar circumstances. We quite often do learn from it. Shucks we purposefully train people by such videos at times so you don't make a solid point. However to be honest I think you are a bit confused and off the point of the video.

                      Just like your objecting to the video isn't likely to help anyone suffering from mental illness the video wasn't claiming it would either. The goal was to see how people NOT suffering from mental health issues respond to those who appear to be.

                      So sure as I am eating lunch you could say that does nothing to help mental health issue but that was not the goal of me eating lunch. The makers of the video wanted to see how non mentally ill people respond not how the mentally ill would. Unless you are saying that can never be the goal of any experiment then the ojection is not relevant to what they were trying to do.

                      The whole trivialization claim is weak. It could have turned out that way for sure but what actually happened and is on the video is no trivilization and Kay's claim that because the makers are pranksters all their videos must be seen to be just about that is a HUGE and obvious failure of logic.



                      I am not sure what point that is supposed to make. Charitable giving is corporate PR 101 but I am not going to boo and hiss if Google wants to highlight mental illness one month because it may have PR benefits.


                      I don't question their intent, my issue is with the impact. Your point about eating lunch not benefiting those with mental health issues only stands up because the eating of your lunch also has no ill effect on those same people. My concern is that this video would. It's not for me to say how those with clinical depression would react to the video, but I can say that my own reaction to it is not positive years after overcoming my own demons. In the height of my psychosis, this video would have been of no comfort - quite the opposite. I will concede that this might not be the case for everyone in a similar situation. However, I do think it would certainly be the case for many.


                      My point about it being viral video making 101 goes back to my belief that this could cause harm to those suffering the most. It is on that contention that I don't like it. The comparison to corporate PR and related corporate ethics doesn't line up because again, like your lunch comparison, I am concerned that this could have negative effects. Charitable giving might have an ulterior motive, but it rarely causes harm. I don't care about any person or corporation doing good for others, even if they're only doing it for their own benefit. I do care if those actions could cause harm.


                      Your opinion is that this would not have a negative impact on those suffering from mental health issues. From that standpoint, your views are perfectly valid. However, my opinion is that this very well could have a negative impact on these people. And from my standpoint, I believe my views are just as valid.


                      Unfortunately, I feel neither of us will be swayed from those fundamental standpoints, so our respective takes on the video will always clash
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                        Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

                        Your opinion is that this would not have a negative impact on those suffering from mental health issues.
                        Hey you are fine to tell me what your opinion is but not so much telling me what mine is. I never told you anything about it having no negative impact for those with mental health issues if they choose to watch it. I said that was not the issue.

                        My Aunt suffered from Schizophrenia for most of her life and during those times doctors told us things that we didn't mention back to her because relating it to her the same way would not be beneficial (e.g. when someone is having a strong schizophrenic episode telling them they are rarely is of any use and can in fact only upset them further). Stats, details and ton loads of training that help the care givers can be detrimental to the patient who by the very nature of the illness is incapable of handling them. However much of what they told us helped US to understand and deal with the issues that arose.

                        So Again the video was about and for people who encounter the mental health sufferer NOT the sufferer themselves. Would I sit down two people considering suicide and show them videos where other people were just about to do it ? not likely but - thats not the point
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                        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Hey you are fine to tell me what your opinion is but not so much telling me what mine is. I never told you anything about it having no negative impact for those with mental health issues if they choose to watch it. I said that was not the issue.
                          Yes, l clicked on his sig, file and understand the college, video thrashing thing!

                          The more he thrashes these videos, the more potential clicks he will get, clever, (or devious might be a better description).

                          But if the mods allow it, then more power to him, eventhough his credibility rating might take a beating?


                          I am sure that if l had a blog with a Mars book, l would be doing quite well, eventhough some members would be slamming me for being too clever!

                          But l offer all my findings for free, as a public service, since the info, should be disclosed openly, without any fee associated with it.

                          Maybe l should put all of my findings onto a site, and throw some add's up there, but will leave it crap free at the moment.


                          Personally l would rather help individuals with a graphic based problem, as a way to commercialize my posts, or do an entertaining graphic, and keep my fingers crossed.

                          But l think that doing constant posts on Photoshop-how-to-video's is an insincere way to lure profits from the WF!

                          I suppose that is the real issue here, a constant flux of similar videos, which have a smell of commercialism!

                          And l know, that if we watch tv, stupid ad's are expected, but down here, not so sure!


                          True, Terra, the universe is kicking all of us down at present, after years of it, and we are quick with the torches and pitch forks, (or a long run of bad luck for the skeptics) so we all desperately need a kitten, (or puppy).



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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                            I suppose that is the real issue here, a constant flux of similar videos, which have a smell of commercialism!
                            Egads! No we can't have even the slightest smell of commercialism on an internet marketing forum. It will destroy the aroma of the whole place!
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                            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              Egads! No we can't have even the slightest smell of commercialism on an internet marketing forum. It will destroy the aroma of the whole place!
                              Ok, fair enough, l will start putting up endless Photoshop how to videos then, should make a few extra bucks?

                              And eventually get slammed by members who are over it!!!!

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                        • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Hey you are fine to tell me what your opinion is but not so much telling me what mine is. I never told you anything about it having no negative impact for those with mental health issues if they choose to watch it. I said that was not the issue.

                          My Aunt suffered from Schizophrenia for most of her life and during those times doctors told us things that we didn't mention back to her because relating it to her the same way would not be beneficial (e.g. when someone is having a strong schizophrenic episode telling them they are rarely is of any use and can in fact only upset them further). Stats, details and ton loads of training that help the care givers can be detrimental to the patient who by the very nature of the illness is incapable of handling them. However much of what they told us helped US to understand and deal with the issues that arose.

                          So Again the video was about and for people who encounter the mental health sufferer NOT the sufferer themselves. Would I sit down two people considering suicide and show them videos where other people were just about to do it ? not likely but - thats not the point


                          They will still see it. Just because it's not aimed at them doesn't mean they won't see it. It might not be your point, but it is a point.


                          I apologise for incorrectly assuming your opinion on the topic, it was based on the assumption that you would obviously realise that just because the video was made to be helpful for some doesn't mean it could be hurtful to others.


                          My point was that the video was well intentioned, but could have a negative impact on those with mental health issues. You seem to agree
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

                            They will still see it. Just because it's not aimed at them doesn't mean they won't see it. It might not be your point, but it is a point.
                            Sure and under that rational medical experts should never have told our family about how to understand and react to schizophrenia episodes my Aunt had because some of it might be hurtful (and one one occasion when it got back to her was) or further upset her. Never mind it helped us to help her.

                            My point was that the video was well intentioned, but could have a negative impact on those with mental health issues. You seem to agree
                            nope. wrong again. I have no idea but doubt there is one universal reaction. I don't speak for all people going through mental health issues and I am sure you would agree neither do you. I can see some people who view the world as a place where no one cares (and so want to check out) might be encouraged by whats in that video. Mental illness doesn't take away from individuality and the fact that two people can have opposite reactions to the same thing.

                            Anyway good luck with the idea that all videos, movies, training sessions, books and articles about mental illness that might upset some mentally ill people be taken off the internet.

                            I should say that I am genuinely glad its an issue that matters to you. Thats never a bad thing.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                              wow Jags, this is becoming rather entertaining isn't it? keep posting these videos - things get rather exciting in here whenever you do -

                              As for me, I would be someone who would want to talk a person out of doing the unthinkable - I have far too much compassion and love for people to want to see them harm themselves. But after they are removed from harms way and if I find I have wasted my time and energy on someone undeserving of my kindness, then I just walk away, without any guilt, knowing I did my best.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              Sure and under that rational medical experts should never have told our family about how to understand and react to schizophrenia episodes my Aunt had because some of it might be hurtful (and one one occasion when it got back to her was) or further upset her. Never mind it helped us to help her.

                              nope. wrong again. I have no idea but doubt there is one universal reaction. I don't speak for all people going through mental health issues and I am sure you would agree neither do you. I can see some people who view the world as a place where no one cares (and so want to check out) might be encouraged by whats in that video. Mental illness doesn't take away from individuality and the fact that two people can have opposite reactions to the same thing.

                              Anyway good luck with the idea that all videos, movies, training sessions, books and articles about mental illness that might upset some mentally ill people be taken off the internet.

                              I should say that I am genuinely glad its an issue that matters to you. Thats never a bad thing.
                              Fair enough.

                              Yup, like I said before I don't assume to speak for an entire demographic, I'm not nearly so deluded.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        he called me and said "I'm going to kill myself" - I told him "go for it". He did.
        Having the ability to motivate people is a beautiful thing.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Oddly - the only guilt I felt after that happened was that I DIDN'T feel guilty about my answer or about hanging up on him.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        This thread is why I DISLIKE the videos Jag seems to believe are "interesting.

        I don't watch the videos because, like others here, I have REAL life experiences I don't care to be reminded of on a forum. I certainly have no interest in watching fake prank videos about those experiences.

        I talked a man out of killing me (in front of my children) and 2 days later he killed himself. Two days after I saved my own life he called me and said "I'm going to kill myself" - I told him "go for it". He did.

        A 16 yr old friend of my son was unhappy and depressed. We were leaving home to go shopping and saw his car turning on our street - we went on, thinking we would talk to him later. He killed himself that night. My son still wonders if we could have stopped him.

        A friend in another state had told me details of her marriage problems and her husband's temper. She called to say she was meeting with him to arrange terms of a divorce. I told her "it's suicide to meet with him alone" and she said everything was fine. He killed her a few hours later.

        A woman I worked with seemed perfectly fine when I talk to her at the end of the week. That weekend she drove her car into a parking garage and shot herself in the head.

        I went out with a man I had known for a while. Handsome, nice guy - but not over his ex-wife and definitely not over the drinking problem that ended his marriage. I opted out of any further involvement but we were friends. He called me to talk one day and left a message when I didn't answer, then called his ex-wife and left a message for her- then put a chair in the middle of his living room and shot himself.

        These were not pranks for YouTube - they were real life...where most of us live.

        Tim - no high standards here. The constant video posting of this type puts me off because JagSEO posts them consistently when he posts similar/same videos to the site in his signature. They appear to be nothing more than strategy and the OP doesn't post his own thoughts about the topics he starts. Perhaps that's apt for a marketing forum but didn't used to be the case in the OT.

        Whatever - he can post what he wants, of course. We can say we want about it. Fair enough.
        Wow Kay that is some experience. And I appreciate and respect your opinion.

        That being said I can honestly say that it is not only refreshing but also inspiring to wake up and realize that this World is made up of people who are different in their Mindsets, feelings, empathy,and just plain personalities.

        I think Social Experiments like this are cool.

        The two Indian guys involved are just exceptional human beings.

        I think most of you guys are really good people who I admire and respect.

        But just being around here for awhile I also see that there are a few people in here ( terra, karen,tim for example) who are just 'wired' differently than most of the others. And its not better or worse, but just an innate
        psyche that is different

        I know personally I get cynical towards human beings and the crap they can produce, but on the other hand I get really inspired and really moved by individuals who do wonderful things for others.

        Especially, when they do not know anyone is looking. And they just rise to the occasion.
        (I have cried at least a couple of dozen times watching Oprah )

        It just keeps me going in this World and enables me to get out of bed each and every morning.

        These two guys in this video are just plain damn good people.

        I know there are a lot of people who scoff at all this and say they don't care one way or the other if someone kills themselves etc..etc..

        That is your prerogative and your Right to think like that.

        But I can say there are a number of us here who are just not built that way at all in any way. shape, or form !

        And honestly I mean this without hostility but frankly it is just something you will never be able to relate to.
        No matter how hard you try to beat it out of our brains lol Its not going to change us !

        I am not going to speak for the other sentimentalists here , but I can say not only not going out of your way to help a human being but just not giving a rats a$$ about them whether they die or not is totally foreign to some of us.

        I just cannot even remotely relate to many of you on this on any level.
        Some of you are my friends but there is a real disconnect here

        And it is truly less a Decision but more of a true innate Feeling involved here

        I can say that to be able to be moved to tears by the awesomeness of the human Spirit is something that I thank God everyday to be able get to experience in this Lifetime

        Im sad that many of you do not get to experience the enrichment and joy that is brought about this !
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Did these kind of stories happen often while selling d2d?

      Not just about people killing themselves, but just off odd stories like that.

      That's a good question. You have to understand that I sold in people's homes...nearly every day for 35 years or so. So I ran into just about every kind of situation. I've been in maybe 20,000 different homes...and have done about 12,000 presentations.

      The first story is the only customer that was talking about suicide. The other was a co-worker. And those are all my "person trying to kill themselves" stories.

      Two things; Many of these things happened decades ago. I was maybe 30, when the woman told me she was going to do herself in. And, because they happened so long ago, I may get a detail or two wrong.

      But the stories are true. A few things that you would think would happen often, never have. I've never been directly threatened. I've never been thrown out of a home (I've been asked to leave twice)....Knocking on doors, I've only had a door shut in my face, maybe 5 times...ever.

      Any person that deals with the public, like policemen, firemen, emergency workers, carpet installers, plumbers...and has been doing it for 35 years, has dozens of highly unlikely stories that are true.

      An interesting thing that happened when selling, in someone's home? Maybe 1% of the time.


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      Poor Claude! Every thread I go in takes a pop at him :p
      I bring it on myself. In fact, sometimes it's intentional. And I give, as good as I get.

      Don't dish it out, if you can't take it.
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    Poor Claude! Every thread I go in takes a pop at him :p
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      Originally Posted by butters View Post

      Poor Claude! Every thread I go in takes a pop at him :p
      Ahhh, you are learning the ways of the Whitacre my son (He is your father)

      Claude encourages the sarcastic comments, lays himself open to them with carefully engineered posts with openings for us.

      And why? Do you know how expensive it is to get good comedy writers? Here, he gets them for free. He prints them out and uses them, or hybrid versions, in his UFO seminars he regularly speaks at.

      We bill him of course, but that's the only time we get that rare "Silence" from him.

      And then he's back with his tempting posts, can we resist, alas no.

      Clever, very clever.
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    This thread makes me want to jump off the front porch.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      This thread makes me want to jump off the front porch.
      Do it, record it, YouTube it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      This thread makes me want to jump off the front porch.

      Claude will be over shortly to walk you through the proper procedure.
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        Claude will be over shortly to walk you through the proper procedure.
        I changed my mind but not because of the porch.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
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          It's like a modern version of morality plays...

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          an allegorical form of the drama current from the 14th to 16th centuries and employing such personified abstractions as Virtue, Vice, Greed, Gluttony, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Personally I would give em a push.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Personally I would give em a push.
      Your are just bitter because your parents tried that to get you out the house (the real story behind that back shot you had up before ).
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    The problem with suicides is that if they tell someone they gonna do it, means they never really gonna do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      The problem with suicides is that if they tell someone they gonna do it, means they never really gonna do it.
      STOP......SETTING......YOURSELF......UP.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      The problem with suicides is that if they tell someone they gonna do it, means they never really gonna do it.
      You have set a new personal bar for ridiculous comments.

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I did not watch the whole video. Taxes, insurance, things that are artificial
    (like the video set up), or involve luck (like card games) just make my
    eyes roll backwards. Sorry. Always been that way.

    But, this thread can be used to bring up ideas for preventing suicide.

    Often times someone thinking about suicide will suddenly become very happy.
    Noticeably so, because they have decided to end it and are relieved that they
    have finally made the decision, and that soon they will have no more pain or stress.

    If you sense someone you know is thinking about committing suicide, it
    is good to ask them point blank to relieve their tension and open the door
    to discussion.

    Another thing to do is keep them obligated to seeing you for dinner or lunch, or
    talking more... Some obligation.

    I'm sure Cali could add a lot more.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Oddly - the only guilt I felt after that happened was that I DIDN'T feel guilty about my answer or about hanging up on him.
      Sorry, Kay. I cannot judge you or anyone else but this is NOTHING at all to be proud of.

      Not necessarily saying you are but you sure make a convincing argument by posting this
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