Baltimore Riot

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They're currently looting/rioting in Baltimore, MD burning at least two police vehicles & looting a CVS pharmacy.


















Baltimore Rioters Destroy Public Property, Loot Businesses - YouTube
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  • Who didn't see this coming? Oh - the mayor who announced there would be no arrests today....the political powers who decided police should not have full protective gear. Wouldn't want to incite protestors by protecting cops, would we? So 7 police are seriously injured - one listed as 'unresponsive'.

    I'd pull ALL police back and just keep the rioters from getting out of that neighborhood and into other parts of Baltimore. I've had it with the protests that have the same shouts and slogans - and end up being a smash and grab of local businesses. They are looting their own neighborhood - that's just stupid.
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      Well, if you are going to kill a man for "making eye contact' with the police and then 'running while black' - by severing his spine - you need to be prepared to live with the consequences.

      There's no bigger lover of law enforcement than myself, but at this point - I give up. Nothing is going to change until a major American city is completely burned to the ground and lots of policemen lose their lives. Even that won't guarantee change.

      Trust me, those people don't regard where they live as 'their communities.'

      This has been brewing in Baltimore for decades. Sorry to see it happen, but I'm not the least bit surprised.

      Nothing to cheer about. - Frank
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  • Thank you major a-hole rioters and looters.

    The family of the guy who died in police custody requested that type of activity not happen but did they listen?

    I think its time to bring the hammer down on them.

    BTW...

    IMHO - Thanks to the technology, we are at the beginning of a long, ugly drawn out process of cutting those "police killing people for no good reason" incidents down to a minimum.

    I have no clue how long it will take, 5, 10 or 20 years but IMHO, the process has begun - thanks to the technology.
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  • What they should do, is shut down all the gas stations, tell all insurers to not insure anything, and banks not to lend there, and let the businesses move out, after telling them they aren't insured, and tell the police to not react to black on black crime, tell other people not to go in, and let it pan out. Let's see how those people react THEN! You think they are poor, and hurt NOW!?!?!?!? The criminals may end up BEGGING to go to jail!

    Steve
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    • At this point its only fair to say on these matters you are not capable of rational thought and cannot help yourself from spouting your racist based "rationality".

      Yes of course insurers should stop insuring the community, banks shouldn't lend to people in the community, police officers should not enforce the law when blacks are involve because to the resident racist in WF basement "those people" are synonymous with the entire community even though almost every report indicates gangs and high school students are the perpetrators not the entire or even most of the black community in Baltimore.

      To me this is just like when the lakers won a championship a few years back. Young hoodlums just looking for an excuse to get rowdy. There are some very serious questions to ask in this case though. Yet one more time in the matter of weeks we have another person dying under some very strange circumstances involving police officers.

      Bottom line - Chloe is on point but you aren't.
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  • Don't Judge Blacks Differently - YouTube
    Chloe obviously knows this, and is 100% RIGHT!

    Steve
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    America is rotting from the inside. Racial problems will never end.
    One reason I'll never go there.
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      Who says there are no positive aspects to racism?

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • As much as I am loathe to agree with the Professor on anything, I have to concur. America, or at least parts of it anyway, are rapidly approaching "failed state" status.

    Sad. Very sad indeed.
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      You'd think after they elected a black President everything would subside.
      Just got worse.
      Proves that the racial problem has deep deep roots, a cancerous terminal disease that can never end.
      They should Never have gotten down slaves from Africa in the first place. Big mistake.
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    • Failed state status?

      If something like what's happening in Baltimore continues for longer than a month or two or even 6 months then you may sound sensible invoking the "failed state" status for parts of the U.S., but not quite yet by a long shot.
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    • NOPE! I have to disagree! I thought, and think, it is ALREADY THERE!

      Steve
    • Unfortunately, so true!
      Jenny
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    We need a 'looters shot on sight' policy. How many businesses do you think would be looted after the first looter had their head blown off.

    Allow me to answer that for you. That would be, 'NONE!!!'

    Cheers. - Frank
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    The City Council warned the Mayor that this was coming. They implored her to make body cameras on police, mandatory. She said if they passed a bill that she would veto it. She said she wanted to do a 'study.' They warned there was no time. They were right and she was tragically wrong.

    The only people who don't want cameras on cops are bad cops and those who support bad cops.

    Cheers. - Frank
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  • Any excuse for a riot for some people. Shame more "decent" people don't pull together and put a stop to scum like this trashing their town. I suppose it's a little bit different over there though when you can't even trust the cops not to shoot you let alone the crooks.
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    • I think Baltimore needs more moms like this one.

      After she saw her son throwing rocks at police officers in the riot on TV, she marched down there and publicly slapped down her son!

      Good on her!!


      Mom beats son for participating in Baltimore riots - YouTube

      Terra


      Edit: Apparently, the video has been taken down, but here's a link to it...

      Mom beats son involved in Baltimore riot.
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    • I grew up in the late 60's and 70's when America in general was just coming out of the real racism era. I've not seen it this bad in around 30 - 40 years. It's a very loud, very vocal minority right now that's keeping it churning.

      There are twice as many whites being killed wrongly by cops as blacks - it's not a racism issue, it's a fascism issue. There are too many cops that feel it's okay for them to do anything they want to anyone they want and it's all okay because they have a uniform. When I worked at the crisis center it was hard to get women to understand not to get into a cop car without making them call into the office and tell them you were in the car. Women in those days were very often raped by cops. Very often. They're a dangerous breed - not real smart, but a lot of power.

      The racism problem is the media. When a black is shot wrongfully they shout it all over the country - while when the person is white, nobody hears about it. There were whites wrongfully killed about the same time as both of the black shootings that caused riots -- and nobody even ever heard about them. So what you see as "racism" overseas -- it's instigated. We don't have a black shooting problem -- we have an authority shooting citizens problem.

      Until people get away from a media who will stir up any crap they can for ratings and realize that this is everyone's problem here and not just one race's problem, we're going to have major turmoil. Citizen's lives matter -- unless they're animal abusers, and then anyone who shoots the creep has my blessings.
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  • Another shooting, another riot, shocker... 99% of the people rioting couldn't give a crap and just going along to cause a load of havoc and destruction. If the family of the deceased said don't riot, anyone who is rioting couldn't care about the family or their wishes...
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  • I wanted to post that yesterday. It comes down to class.

    Middle class American's are the ones running and working in these shops, at home raising their family at night.

    Upper class American's blow shit up in their back yard.

    Once you get below the poverty line, especially the further you get away from it, the more that the general attitude towards life, community, and being a decent human being get skewed.
  • I saw today that:
    1. The mayor is denying she ever said that even though it was filmed.

    2. Did anyone realize there was a peaceful protest of 10,000 people there? I didn't see that on any news anywhere until today. 10,000 people in peaceful protest and the only thing we heard about at all was the rioters. Just another incident of media trying to shape the general opinion base.

    Kurt - my 2/1 stats were general across the states - just saying, this problem is exploding in a few cities, but it's still not a black problem -- we have an increasingly growing violent authority and we ALL have a problem. That's all I was saying. I was reacting to more of the "black lives matter" chants I've been hearing. Well, ya know - we whites matter, too. It's a citizen problem not a black one -- and from the pics of the mass peaceful protest yesterday -- that's how the majority of Baltimore is reacting to it.

    It was just a handful of trash bags that caused the rioting. It was good to see one mother out there hammering her kid for trying to be a thug. Good for you, Lady. Our kids
    need more of your style of whoop ass no matter who wants to drool about child abuse and other forms of "wahhhhhh". If anyone horrified by her actions wanted to notice - that kid was big enough to kill her. That woman has some impact on her kid. Very obvious she's been a real parent all along.
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      I am in no way defending the Mayor as I think she's worthless, but in this instance though she is being hammered for leaving out one word in the heat of a pressure packed press conference.

      Anyone with a shred of common sense and human decency will surely admit that what she meant to say was, "By providing a space for people to blah, blah, blah - we inadvertently created a space for people to destroy things." Insert unwittingly, or tragically, or mistakenly or any other word you certainly know is appropriate and was surely intended. Anyone with an IQ over room temperature should have been able to discern what she obviously meant to say.

      Do you really believe that she wanted to create an opportunity to have her city destroyed? This was nothing more than a slip of the tongue, elevated into a 'gotcha' moment.

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Baltimore State's Attorney: 'We Have Probable Cause To File Criminal Charges' Over Freddie Gray's Death
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      Would that be posthumously against Freddie Gray?

      Cheers. - Frank
  • "Rioting"... Sure... It's more like terrorizing and targeting whites and Asians because a guy 99.98% of them didn't even know died while in custody like many other people of all kinds of races has done before him of various reasons.

    Labor camp for a year or forced military service is the only solution to make these people who burn stores and attack people behave.
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    • I think it was really fast but they had to file charges even if only due to not properly securing Gray in the back of that van.

      They may be over charging - we'll see.

      What makes no sense to me is the protests in other cities - and the continuing protest in Baltimore - with the chants about race, etc....

      This isn't a racial issue - Baltimore is majority African American (63% or so) - police force is 50/50 - elected officials in the city seem to be majority black and the city has been run by Dems for many years.

      That makes this one different so we'll see how it turns out.

      Meanwhile, many protestors are shouting about minimum wage and lower rents and other issues totally not connected to Baltimore....but using Baltimore as an excuse to make demands.

      In New York - protestors want police to be "disarmed" and want "police free" areas. Right - I'm sure that would work well.
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    • Well, you DON'T want to give them MILITARY service. The ONLY decent argument for banning guns is that the likes of THEM should not have weapons! After all, society as we know it would not exist if decent people didn't have guns. WWII started because decent people in Germany were forbidden to own guns. Look at dictatorships, etc..., You would be hard pressed to find one that was different.

      Steve
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  • Kevin Moore: The man who filmed Freddie Gray video has been arrested at gunpoint - Americas - World - The Independent

    The other two arrested are part of Ferguson Police watch. Activism is why
    there are still protests and protests in other cities.
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    As usual, Al Sharpton milking the media ($$).
  • I think there is also a problem with activists making it about race instead of
    just bad cops, period.

    There is an element of people being more disobedient and disrespectful
    to cops, which can escalate situations.

    There is also an element of newer cops being Iraq and Afghanistan war vets
    and some might be having PTSD or escalated nervous reactions, or just plain
    combat ready instead of community policing ready. If so, you could look at data
    going back about 12 or so years and see if an increase in incidents began around
    that time.

    The idea of more citizen video highlighting these incidents holds water with me.

    My desk clerk told me he heard on a news broadcast that this particular Baltimore
    neighborhood has 34% more liquor stores than surrounding neighborhoods.
    Perhaps an unintended consequence of zoning laws that require liquor stores to be
    x amount of distance from schools and churches.
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  • Probable cause? Um.............that went out the window with the domestic articles in the NDAA - we have no 4th amendment right now.

    Another thing people are getting fed to the teeth with is police shooting family dogs. Dogs no longer have to attack or threaten, all they have to do to get shot by a cop is breath. We've got a problem all right, and this one's got nothing to do with citizens other than we have a system of "authority" whose decided they can do anything they want any time they want...........and as long as the NDAA is in effect, there's not all that much that can be done. We have to start recalling legislators who signed that bill into law -- and we have to make it clear that anyone else who signs the update will not be working in politics either. The NDAA gives the gov and its officials the go to completely own us, lock, stock, and barrel. If you don't "get" this - you can read the bill and subsequent law in its entirety online. Read it - don't just read interpretations because then you're trusting a third person source and they might have an agenda themselves.
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    • Really, all it comes down to is being held accountable for one's actions. Things will change once police officers are held accountable for their actions. This is a political problem in large part. I think a great majority of cops are good but what has to change is those who are bad feeling they are above the law. Being part of the law doesn't make you above the law.
    • YEAH! Jumping over a neighbors fence is FROUGHT with DANGER! They could have broken glass bottles. They could have stagnant water. They could have needles that were used by an HIV infected person. There could be a rusty cage. There could be a metal stake. ANY of these things could easily be there and could kill or seriously hurt a person jumping over the fence. And if they encounter a dog, the dog is there LEGALLY, and doing what is to be expected.

      So the COP should be responsible. Dogs can be EXPENSIVE, and training and all? And they grow to be loved by the family, AS A FAMILY MEMBER. So a cop should be held responsible accordingly.

      Steve
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  • Steve was reacting to my comment about cops shooting family dogs now, too. It's happening a lot - a lot more than they are shooting humans, and they aren't doing it out of necessity. As frequently as they're shooting the pet in front of the family children, it seems to be an indoctrination practice. It has to go. Cops that shoot dogs for any reason other than self defense will also shoot people with no real concern. It's not the species being killed - it's the mindset of the person that does these things.
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    • EXACTLY! It is ONE thing if the Dog endangers their life outside, and they have no real ability to do otherwise, but I have heard stories of cops TRESPASSING, which ****IS**** illegal, and shooting dogs SIMPLY because they were there. ALSO, they have trespassed on parts that may be borderline public, and still have done the same. I WILL say that some dogs have a habit to case, and jump, and a cop could get trigger happy, but STILL, if they are on the property, THEY are in the wrong.

      YEAH, I KNOW it hinders their ability to catch the bad guy, but that is no excuse.

      As for the broken spine, bit, etc... Even SPOCK said the needs of the many outweigh those of the few. And the things that make me cynical affect COPS ALSO! And it DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RACE THEY ARE! When the person with asthma said he was having trouble breathing, they thought "YEAH RIGHT! THAT is what they ALL say!". How do I know? They SAID IT in an interview. They tune it out because EVERYONE wants to go to the hospital and delay things.

      HECK, I am watching "the game plan" again. At one point, Peyton claims to be reacting to an allergy, and Joe tunes it out and tells the teacher "She is a good actress! She's done this before!"! Ironically, Peyton is HIS daughter, and when she triggered an allergy of his, she mentions the allergy to peanuts. He had a GOOD reason to believe her, and STILL tuned her out. LUCKILY, the teacher convinces him to at least humor her. She WAS having an anaphylactic reaction. Gee, people will say I am wrong here even while making ad hominem attacks against me, and my politics. So the very attack against me in such an argument proves they are guilty of the same thing and proves me right.

      Let's face it. Without such a limit, people will always change direction and not get anywhere. It is true of most creatures, etc...

      Steve
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      ...but nobody is shooting cats.
  • Suzanne,

    You totally missed the point! There is a guy I always considered a kook, and a BAD speaker, and Live leaks took better parts of his speeches, including early ones, and made a montage of it all, from the very beginning of his career to the talk of his youth camps. If I showed it here, and people just read the VERY CLOSE subtitles, they might be SHOCKED! And YEP, even ***HE*** was a member of that group I spoke of earlier. In the video, his ideas scream it, and he states the international term for the group and identifies as part of it!

    Early on, it turns out, he was a good speaker, and spoke with PASSION! And perhaps EVERYONE would have voted for such a thing. And he spoke of the theft from an earlier treaty, and the inflation it created and about how the people were hurt by it. He spoke of the shame of the first attempt and how a second attempt would regain the honor.

    Of course, as always ends up being the case, it morphed into what everyone hated, and some are, EVEN TODAY, ashamed to be from there. I will ALWAYS remember the girl that, going on a trip to france, IIRC, came back to say how she was treated so poorly and said "I don't know if it was because of ME, or my nationality.".

    Steve
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      You're correct, particularly if the explanation above is supposed to clarify some point. Have no idea what it's about or how it relates to cops killing a young, unarmed man, but that is typical of your somewhat meandering conversations ... obfuscation of the facts at hand.
  • It seems like there is too much fear on both sides in that neighborhood,
    and maybe some of citizens are fueled by too much drugs and alcohol.
    (Especially if there are 34% more liquor stores in that neighborhood.)

    I'm not there, but if I were Emperor, or at least Police Chief, I would
    sure look into programs of regular community interaction where the citizens
    and the cops get to know each other via meetings, board games, basketball
    games, bicycle rides, etc.....

    That way they might better handle the next Freddie Gray, which is sounding like it
    should have been a non-incident.
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    • It's not unusual to have all these liquor stores in poor neighborhoods. I'm sure they're many reasons why but one that comes to mind is that larger companies like Safeway are reluctant to invest in putting large super markets in areas where people don't have much money. In more affluentneighborhoods they drink as much but just buy their booze at the local supermarket.
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    • Yeah, even a POLICE CHIEF would have trouble with that! I mean MANDATING where the cops spend their FREE TIME? And what of those that LIVE THERE? Many of them likely already DO do such things.

      Steve
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    • When 3 out of the last 5 posts are from one of the "no opinion counts but mine" crowd - you know the goal is to lock the thread.
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  • Fox has legs, er I mean news?
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    My brother puts Fox news on when he wants to see me agitated. It's his way of getting even with me for some small sleight he feels he's suffered at my hands. lol.
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      What's it like being related to a demon from hell??? :-)

      Cheers. - Frank
    • Probably not a small slight in his mind.
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  • Gilberto,

    It is ironic that they can be governors, mayors, police chiefs, police, CEOs, surgeons, etc.... HECK, we even had a number of them with a reasonable chance at president, and one WON! He was practically born with a silver spoon in his mouth, being in private schools, or top schools almost all of his life, and two colleges with NO ties to slavery or real early experience here and he STILL talks like he was SOOOOO disadvantaged! And do you realize that the chances of a particular white person in the US being president at ANY point in his or her life is less than 1 in 10 MILLION? And FEW blacks have EVER run. And blacks running outside of the two main parties have virtually no chance of winning, and few whites have ever made it also. The last white person to have a shadow of a chance, with such a party, was ross perot, and HE lost. STILL, this next election COULD have as many as THREE african americans running, in one of the 2 main parties! One indian american, that certainly does have dark skin, might even run. Some think HE has a definite chance of winning. I bet FEW in the party that elected the last AA will even CONSIDER them, though many in their party practically BEGGED them to run, and they have a decent chance THERE!

    And how many will be elected king or queen or PM of england or canada or australia, etc....? YEP I KNOW, STUPID QUESTION, but I have heard people mention it! Royalty is INHERITED, and PMs may be APPOINTED by the same, and so the odds are remote for ANYONE. As for riots? They have had them in england! There have been similar things elsewhere. And other groups have had similar problems to the ones you speak about all throughout europe. People just don't mention that much unless a big war breaks out, or it suits their agenda.

    As for air pollution, that affects EVERYONE! Pollution doesn't care what skin color you are. HECK, I lived in a big area called the san fernando valley. It included places like los angeles, and was known to CONTAIN air pollution because it is surrounded by mountains. And YEP, they may have nearly any ethnic group you can think of. Black, white, oriental, indian, whatever... And the networth demographic goes all over the map as well.

    Steve
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