Evidence for cause of depression

by HeySal
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I just read this and found it extremely interesting. Seems there's evidence that depression is actually an allergic reaction to inflammation:

New Research Discovers That Depression Is An Allergic Reaction To Inflammation
  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    No surprise that a crap diet initiates depression.

    Meditation can dramatically decrease that mental state as well.

    Thanks for sharing Sal.


    Just read today that red spots on skin can be a sign of a more aggressive form of Melanoma, geesh!

    I think that Aussies will be running around like chickens with their heads cut off after seeing any red spots on themselves?

    No doubt Doctor visits will skyrocket! Groan!


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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      No surprise that a crap diet initiates depression.

      Meditation can dramatically decrease that mental state as well.

      Thanks for sharing Sal.


      Just read today that red spots on skin can be a sign of a more aggressive form of Melanoma, geesh!

      I think that Aussies will be running around like chickens with their heads cut off after seeing any red spots on themselves?

      No doubt Doctor visits will skyrocket! Groan!


      Hopefully they will realize that almost ANYTHING can cause redness or red spots. It could be an allergy, temperature, bugs, infection, or almost anything else.

      And YEAH, you would EXPECT stressfull things, like inflammation, to make depression more likely. HECK, BOTH kinds, circumstantial(or whatever you call it), and CHEMICAL.

      ODD though! Last night I was researching some stuff, and reread the symptoms of a dopamine deficiency. SEVERAL, like the inflammation, could cause either type of depression, but one symptom listed WAS depression.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Yeah right. Weak sources to say the least. I suffered from acute clinical depression. I was already on an anti-inflammatory for herniated disks. It was the Prozac that alleviated the symptoms of depression. Not the anti-inflammatory.


    Highly scientific research .... lol
    Which has some scientists thinking...
    Some think the inflammatory response may be spurred by an infection of some kind. Others think obesity or modern high-trans-fat, high-sugar diets could be the cause. Still others say that stress from bullying, rejection, or loneliness may be to blame.
    although as an add-on to any prescribed treatment – there’s definitely not enough evidence to use them as a replacement
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Yeah right. Weak sources to say the least. I suffered from acute clinical depression. I was already on an anti-inflammatory for herniated disks. It was the Prozac that alleviated the symptoms of depression. Not the anti-inflammatory.


      Highly scientific research .... lol
      WOW! YOU OUGHT TO WRITE A BOOK! Scientists today believe that prozac is NOT a required nutrient! Those stupid "scientists" actually believe that prozac is an SSRI! Since serotonin is one of the chemicals involved with chemical depression, and so hard to get into the brain reliably, the theory is that Prozac is one of many drugs that defeats the recycling of serotonin, and thus leaves the patient with more available to defeat depression.

      In other words, they do NOT solve a problem, but defeat a safeguard with the goal of basically compensating for a deficiency that exacerbates the problem. As for anti inflammatories, they are SPECIFIC and LIMITED! So taking ASPIRIN, for example, will NOT prevent an allergy, and likely won't help with the hives!

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        In other words, they do NOT solve a problem, but defeat a safeguard with the goal of basically compensating for a deficiency that exacerbates the problem. As for anti inflammatories, they are SPECIFIC and LIMITED! So taking ASPIRIN, for example, will NOT prevent an allergy, and likely won't help with the hives!

        Steve

        WOW YOU OUGHT TO NOT WRITE A BOOK. lol.
        It worked for me and did solve the problem. Much to your chagrin, I didn't commit suicide and after some months, was able to eliminate Prozac and go back to life as usual.

        Duh ... you mean, all this time I've taken aspirin for allergies and it doesn't work? Who'd a thunk it. You're a veritable source of vital information.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          WOW YOU OUGHT TO NOT WRITE A BOOK. lol.
          It worked for me and did solve the problem. Much to your chagrin, I didn't commit suicide and after some months, was able to eliminate Prozac and go back to life as usual.

          Duh ... you mean, all this time I've taken aspirin for allergies and it doesn't work? Who'd a thunk it. You're a veritable source of vital information.
          Gee, I had a coworker that almost DIED, and he WAS hospitalized, because of an allergy. HECK, even for headaches, aspirin doesn't always work. It NEVER worked on ME! And ibuprofin, if I overdosed on it, helped headaches, but not much else.

          As for prozac? The very fact that you went off of it shows it wasn't a deficiency in prozac. ANOTHER deficiency, that can be corrected in other ways, caused the chemical depression. They use prozac only because it is a simple way to work through that, even if it isn't THAT simple.

          Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Gee, I had a coworker that almost DIED, and he WAS hospitalized, because of an allergy. HECK, even for headaches, aspirin doesn't always work. It NEVER worked on ME! And ibuprofin, if I overdosed on it, helped headaches, but not much else.
            So, who's talking about aspirin besides you? We're talking about depression.

            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            As for prozac? The very fact that you went off of it shows it wasn't a deficiency in prozac. ANOTHER deficiency, that can be corrected in other ways, caused the chemical depression. They use prozac only because it is a simple way to work through that, even if it isn't THAT simple.

            It doesn't show any such thing. Depression due to a life experience such as divorce is called situational depression. Combined with clinical depression causes acute clinical depression. Once I had time to process and resolve the "situation" ... the divorce .... I no longer had situational depression, hence, no longer needed any assistance. It worked wonders while I needed it though. The only thing that was annoying is that for the first time in my life I felt happy for no apparent reason. That's just not me. I'm not the bubbly type that exudes happiness with no apparent reason. So thanks anyway Dr. Steve, but I take my advice from pros.
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              That's just not me. I'm not the bubbly type that exudes happiness with no apparent reason.
              You don't say? I guess I'll need to claim that territory as my very own. :-)

              Cheers. - Frank

              P.S. Morning all. You're one day closer to being worm food. Get off your ass!
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                You don't say? I guess I'll need to claim that territory as my very own. :-)

                Cheers. - Frank

                P.S. Morning all. You're one day closer to being worm food. Get off your ass!
                ... and that makes me feel depressed. lol
                Good morning Mr. Bubbly.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              So, who's talking about aspirin besides you? We're talking about depression.
              We COULD talk about all the NSAIDS, or the steroids, etc... HEY, YOU said you were on antiinflamatories, and thus disproved the theory! To quote you:

              "Yeah right. Weak sources to say the least. I suffered from acute clinical depression. I was already on an anti-inflammatory for herniated disks. It was the Prozac that alleviated the symptoms of depression. Not the anti-inflammatory."

              In OTHER words, you had no inflammation, and thus the prozac was the sole solution and its lack was the cause.

              NONE of that is true. There are a lot of types of inflammation, and doctors give different drugs for them. It WOULD be nice if you could just take one drig and be done with it. I had a co worker that had a type of arthritis, and had to take a very special and NEW class of anti inflammatory, and it even cost a fortune.

              As for depression, even prozac is far from perfect. It just doesn't work on some people, and others may go a while to get dosed right. HECK, some find great success with st johns wort, but that isn't everyone either.

              It doesn't show any such thing. Depression due to a life experience such as divorce is called situational depression. Combined with clinical depression causes acute clinical depression. Once I had time to process and resolve the "situation" ... the divorce .... I no longer had situational depression, hence, no longer needed any assistance. It worked wonders while I needed it though. The only thing that was annoying is that for the first time in my life I felt happy for no apparent reason. That's just not me. I'm not the bubbly type that exudes happiness with no apparent reason. So thanks anyway Dr. Steve, but I take my advice from pros.
              I was never giving advice on what you should take here, or how much. As for the pros, I have ALSO had friends and co workers that have been on anti depressants and the like. I don't know if I EVER saw a clear success, but I saw a LOT of failures! HECK, a number of the killers that were on the news as such, took anti depressants! But think what you will!

              Steve
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                But think what you will! Steve
                Well, thank you sir. Since you do exactly that, I think that it is very magnanimous of you to afford us that same freedom. You're a really swell guy. lol

                Cheers. - Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                HECK, a number of the killers that were on the news as such, took anti depressants! But think what you will!

                Steve
                I'll bet a number of killers were chewing gum too.
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                • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  I'll bet a number of killers were chewing gum too.
                  Lo and behold, some were breathing the air. Dangerous stuff, that air!

                  Cheers. - Frank
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  I'll bet a number of killers were chewing gum too.
                  So, they could kill and chew gum at the same time? I've always had to chew gum, when I was not killing someone..too much stress.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I've always had to chew gum, when I was not killing someone..too much stress.
                    No, no, no! You're going about that all wrong. I have found that if you chew gum during the killing it is a less stressful event, from start to finish.

                    Cheers. - Frank
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                      No, no, no! You're going about that all wrong. I have found that if you chew gum during the killing it is a less stressful event, from start to finish.

                      Cheers. - Frank

                      Frank; I have some experience with this. The last time, I tried to chew gum, while I was killing someone....I swallowed my gum. The murder almost turned into a tragedy.

                      Also, texting is out, when you are being chased by police. Safety first.
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                      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Frank; I have some experience with this. The last time, I tried to chew gum, while I was killing someone....I swallowed my gum. The murder almost turned into a tragedy.
                        Oh, so in reality you are NOT able to chew gum and kill someone at the same time. That belies what you stated, above. lol

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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                          Oh, so in reality you are NOT able to chew gum and kill someone at the same time. That belies what you stated, above. lol

                          Cheers. - Frank
                          I can kill someone and swallow my gum, at the same time.
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            I can kill someone and swallow my gum, at the same time.
                            Multitasking can be a good thing.

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                      • Profile picture of the author discrat
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Frank; I have some experience with this. The last time, I tried to chew gum, while I was killing someone....I swallowed my gum. The murder almost turned into a tragedy.

                        Also, texting is out, when you are being chased by police. Safety first.
                        You';ve switched from Pro Social to just a straight out Psychopath
                        Dr. Fallon would be highly disappointed lol
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                          You';ve switched from Pro Social to just a straight out Psychopath
                          Dr. Fallon would be highly disappointed lol
                          All joking aside, I had a sales associate that I worked with for a few years. He once told me, "You're the only person I've ever met, that I think could kill someone, and never let it show".
                          He didn't mean I was more likely to kill someone, just that I wouldn't be as affected by it, and I could keep it a secret.

                          You may find this interesting. There is no camaraderie among pro-social psychopaths.

                          It may be interesting to talk to one (if they were aware that they were psychopathic), and exchange experiences, and views....but......

                          There is a symbiotic relationship between pro-social psychopaths, and the general public. But none between them. Like two unrelated sharks, in the same territory.
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                          • Profile picture of the author discrat
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            You may find this interesting. There is no camaraderie among pro-social psychopaths.



                            There is a symbiotic relationship between pro-social psychopaths, and the general public. But none between them. Like two unrelated sharks, in the same territory.
                            Claude,
                            I would find it hard to believe that you and ole Dr. Fallon wouldn't be slapping each other on the back and
                            being buddy buddy if you two ever were to meet, No ??

                            Or maybe your condition itself would be the reason why you all wouldn't be this way ??
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                            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                              Claude,
                              I would find it hard to believe that you and ole Dr. Fallon wouldn't be slapping each other on the back and
                              being buddy buddy if you two ever were to meet, No ??

                              Or maybe your condition itself would be the reason why you all wouldn't be this way ??
                              I would talk to Dr. Fallon for hours. I would find the conversation fascinating. But buddies? Maybe in the shallowest sense. But there would be no bond. No real relationship. He and I would know that, very early in the conversation. I'm pretty sure none of his friends are psychopathic. None of mine are.

                              Yes, it's because of our shared condition.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        WOW! YOU OUGHT TO WRITE A BOOK! Scientists today believe that prozac is NOT a required nutrient! Those stupid "scientists" actually believe that prozac is an SSRI! Since serotonin is one of the chemicals involved with chemical depression, and so hard to get into the brain reliably, the theory is that Prozac is one of many drugs that defeats the recycling of serotonin, and thus leaves the patient with more available to defeat depression.

        In other words, they do NOT solve a problem, but defeat a safeguard with the goal of basically compensating for a deficiency that exacerbates the problem. As for anti inflammatories, they are SPECIFIC and LIMITED! So taking ASPIRIN, for example, will NOT prevent an allergy, and likely won't help with the hives!

        Steve
        Anti inflammatorys are specific? Specific to what??? Limited???
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          Anti inflammatorys are specific? Specific to what??? Limited???
          OK. I have not chastised you in a while as it appeared you were learning your way around.

          Unfortunately I am now forced to ask, "What are you doing?" lol

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author butters
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            OK. I have not chastised you in a while as it appeared you were learning your way around.

            Unfortunately I am now forced to ask, "What are you doing?" lol

            Cheers. - Frank
            I got an exam in 12 hours on immunity, wanted to see if I can get some crazy views to tye into my answers !!
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              wanted to see if I can get some crazy views to tye into my answers !!
              Well, you've come to the right place. There's a whole boatload o' crazy, around here. Especially when it comes to 'science.'

              Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          Anti inflammatorys are specific? Specific to what??? Limited???

          I'm sitting on the edge of my seat for the answer to this one. I just took Prednisone for acute poison ivy inflammation. One eye was swollen shut, my face was swollen and my arms looked like I had flesh eating bacteria. lol. PI really gets me. Much to my delight, I found that not only did it stop the PI dead in its tracks, my arthritis disappeared for the duration of the treatment. It's back now, but sure was nice that Prednisone was not "specific" and treated all of the inflammation in my body.
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            I'm sitting on the edge of my seat for the answer to this one.
            I hope you're on the commode, because all you are going to get is a load of crap!

            Cheers. - Frank
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            I'm sitting on the edge of my seat for the answer to this one. I just took Prednisone for acute poison ivy inflammation. One eye was swollen shut, my face was swollen and my arms looked like I had flesh eating bacteria. lol. PI really gets me. Much to my delight, I found that not only did it stop the PI dead in its tracks, my arthritis disappeared for the duration of the treatment. It's back now, but sure was nice that Prednisone was not "specific" and treated all of the inflammation in my body.
            Should be interesting yeah, they work in many ways to be honest, blocking multiple cytokines which are pro-inflammatiry while up regulating anti inflammatorys, receptor blocking, kinase blocking to stop phosphorylations. That's why I was surprised when he said specific...

            Then again, he did say Steven Hawkins is an idiot about astronomy!
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            I'm sitting on the edge of my seat for the answer to this one. I just took Prednisone for acute poison ivy inflammation. One eye was swollen shut, my face was swollen and my arms looked like I had flesh eating bacteria. lol. PI really gets me. Much to my delight, I found that not only did it stop the PI dead in its tracks, my arthritis disappeared for the duration of the treatment. It's back now, but sure was nice that Prednisone was not "specific" and treated all of the inflammation in my body.
            Holy Crap! You get that kind of a reaction to poison ivy? You must be highly allergic to it. Kinda feels stupid saying "allergic" when it's called "poison" but I can walk through it barefoot and not get any reaction at all - poison oak, too. Nettles get me. I have to wash down with hydrogen peroxide , rubbing alcohol, take a benedryl and a baking soda and tea bath if I get into nettles.

            BTW - I take organic raw apple cider vinegar and coconut oil for my arthritis and it works real well but takes a few weeks to kick in at first. If it really acts up I just drink cherry juice and the pain is gone in around 45 minutes. I only have problems with it in my feet anyhow. I'm only 60, so I guess I'm good to go for a few more decades.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Sal,
              Unlike some of the others here, Iam open to studies like the inflammation one you put up.

              As long as we as a Society steer away from the bullsh@t mode of thinking where people say others have depression because "they are just sad people who choose to look at the negatives in Life and not the positives"

              Anything but that stupidity and Iam open to entertaining.

              I still think most of it surrounds Serotonin levels, though
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                Sal,
                Unlike some of the others here, Iam open to studies like the inflammation one you put up.

                As long as we as a Society steer away from the bullsh@t mode of thinking where people say others have depression because "they are just sad people who choose to look at the negatives in Life and not the positives"

                Anything but that stupidity and Iam open to entertaining.

                I still think most of it surrounds Serotonin levels, though
                I hear that. I've been around people with clinical depression and some with just generally lazy, poopy attitudes and there's one huge difference.

                I've also seen research that suggests that deficiencies of endorphins can be a factor - and that sure sounds logical and right to me. However - I don't see how giving people drugs ever cures that. There has to be something they can give to aid production if natural exercise regimes won't work.

                What tweaked me about this report was that the research is trying to get to the cause to fix it instead of just looking for another way to make another drug to control it. This is the first time I've seen research that is actually looking for the cause so it can be fixed instead of chronically controlled at continuing, life-long expense to the patient with no hope of reprieve.

                Of course - like I said, I don't suffer from this so I don't really do a lot of research into it. I usually use my time for finding answers to my own issues and causes.

                My continued problem is asthma and allergies. They say there's no cure, but I've yet to see anyone really look for one. It's always another drug to "control" it. I can do that myself. I want answers, not drugs. Until someone is interested enough to really get into it, it's not going to happen. Pharms aren't known for wanting to cure anything - they make their money controlling. It's hard to get independent research because there's no money in answers. Screwed up world. Very screwed up world.

                Dr. Joel Wallach - of "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" fame - points out that supposedly
                "good" oils (like olive oil) are not really good for you. They oxidize quite a bit
                by the time they are picked, transported, processed, and transported your local
                store shelf. So actually adding to inflammation.
                The vital elements in about any food start to decay once picked. When choosing oils, it's advised to pick extra virgin, cold pressed to avoid as much of that as possible. Some oils like flax and avocado should never be used to cook with because they turn rancid in heat. Some hold better - hemp and coconut oil hold pretty well, and coconut oil has a higher temperature point so makes good cooking oil.

                Another element that is highly tooted as a health natural is aloe, although all the vital elements break down within 24 hours of picking so don't even usually get to processing before rendered useless. I just keep aloe plants and pick a leaf or two as I need them. I eat whole foods for as many of my nutrients and supplemental elements as possible. Supplements just aren't as good, although they are needed sometimes when high concentrations of an element are needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    It would be cool if they could isolate causes of depression.

    My Mom's sister suffered from it and killed herself a long time ago.

    My Mom was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was 13 - long ago as well.
    (Stressful events, such as finally divorcing Dad, may have triggered it.)

    I never had any serious depression, and growing up I ate basically the
    same as Mom.

    Whether genetic or learned, I think cognitive processes have a lot to
    do with it. Which is a key to managing it.

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    Dr. Joel Wallach - of "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" fame - points out that supposedly
    "good" oils (like olive oil) are not really good for you. They oxidize quite a bit
    by the time they are picked, transported, processed, and transported your local
    store shelf. So actually adding to inflammation.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      It would be cool if they could isolate causes of depression.

      My Mom's sister suffered from it and killed herself a long time ago.

      My Mom was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was 13 - long ago as well.
      (Stressful events, such as finally divorcing Dad, may have triggered it.)

      I never had any serious depression, and growing up I ate basically the
      same as Mom.

      Whether genetic or learned, I think cognitive processes have a lot to
      do with it. Which is a key to managing it.

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      Dr. Joel Wallach - of "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" fame - points out that supposedly
      "good" oils (like olive oil) are not really good for you. They oxidize quite a bit
      by the time they are picked, transported, processed, and transported your local
      store shelf. So actually adding to inflammation.
      It would be cool. It's about time they looked for the physical cause, I think - even if this doesn't turn out to hold water. Even if it does, the pharms will bust a gut trying to hide it. They're making billions off psychotrophics.

      Inflammation in my body turns into asthma reactions. It probably does other things, too, but that's pretty quickly noticeable. I learned to control that naturally a long time back and have never been so grateful for anything - those asthma drugs made me hella sick in other ways.

      Suzanne - I don't know how to respond to the idea that they shouldn't look for the cause because you took prozak and liked it. The sources aren't weak - they aren't there at all. I just saw this and thought it was interesting since they've been able to link so many other dysfunctions to inflammation. I haven't done any deep research into whose research this was taken from and since I don't suffer depression, I might not do any. It was interesting enough an idea to post........I wouldn't try to use it to refute anything in a debate without knowing who was doing what in this research.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Suzanne - I don't know how to respond to the idea that they shouldn't look for the cause because you took prozak and liked it.
        I didn't say I liked Prozac. I said it worked. I had acute clinical depression. My baseline has been just plain old depression since my teens. It doesn't bother me, but when it goes beyond that to acute, it bothers me. As I said, due to 3 herniated disks, I was already on an anti-inflammation drug, so inflammation was not the cause of my depression. It was simply a combination of my baseline depression combined with a divorce that pushed it to acute depression. One could say that my ex was a source of inflammation.
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          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I didn't say I liked Prozac. I said it worked. I had acute clinical depression. My baseline has been just plain old depression since my teens. It doesn't bother me, but when it goes beyond that to acute, it bothers me. As I said, due to 3 herniated disks, I was already on an anti-inflammation drug, so inflammation was not the cause of my depression. It was simply a combination of my baseline depression combined with a divorce that pushed it to acute depression. One could say that my ex was a source of inflammation.
          The article didn't say inflammation itself - it said allergic reaction to inflammation, which I can definitely understand after being very close to terminal with allergies. They can produce some extremely diverse reactions - of which depression is one. It usually accompanies a few other symptoms (or did in my case) so was easy to weed out as allergy -- but it's all inflammation in the long run whether it's hives, diarrhea or asthma attack.

          I wouldn't suggest anyone stop anything that's working for them over some new research - but still find it interesting to see what progress is being made in the search for a cause. It might just be that inflammation is only a symptom, but at least they are actually trying to find the root of the problem instead of just settling for endlessly treating it. If I were chronically depressed, I would be following every bit of research into the problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      It would be cool if they could isolate causes of depression.
      There are a great many causes for depression. I suffer from high amounts of inflammation from gout and arthritis due to Agent Orange poisoning. I haven't been depressed in over 20 years. Not since I made up my mind not to be.

      In my body there is absolutely no correlation between the two.

      That said, everyone's physiology is different. Rather than trying to learn from Internet voodoo, one should make every effort to learn from their own body.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      It would be cool if they could isolate causes of depression.

      My Mom's sister suffered from it and killed herself a long time ago.

      My Mom was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was 13 - long ago as well.
      (Stressful events, such as finally divorcing Dad, may have triggered it.)

      I never had any serious depression, and growing up I ate basically the
      same as Mom.

      Whether genetic or learned, I think cognitive processes have a lot to
      do with it. Which is a key to managing it.

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      Dr. Joel Wallach - of "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" fame - points out that supposedly
      "good" oils (like olive oil) are not really good for you. They oxidize quite a bit
      by the time they are picked, transported, processed, and transported your local
      store shelf. So actually adding to inflammation.
      I've heard that they will even extract things like Vitamin E from such oils, and make that problem worse. Vitamin E is an antioxidant. Still, if they can extract such vitamins, they can sell them to producers.

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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    I been suffering from depression for most of my life- but has nothing to do with inflmmation.
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    Claude posting again is the biggest cause of depression for many of us...
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Claude posting again is the biggest cause of depression for many of us...
      I depress you, because I'm so much handsomer than you are.

      I admit, the bar is set pretty low.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I depress you, because I'm so much handsomer than you are.

        I admit, the bar is set pretty low.
        "I admit, the bar is set pretty low."

        That's for Riffles sake.
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