Mark Lynas on his conversion to supporting GMOs - Oxford Lecture on Farming

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Not my area of expertise. No idea who this is. Just thought it was interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf86QYf4Suo
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  • The problem with GMO's is they have become a "hot button" issue.

    I have always the potential for GMOs is tremendous. Problem is Monsanto in particular has made it such a commercial topic - it's seldom discussed rationally.
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    He can support it all he wants, but I want GMO food labeled as such so I can opt to have unmodified food sans Roundup. The government has now categorized Roundup as carcinogenic. Who didn't already know that? Would that stop Monsanto or the government lackies who support Monsanto? No.
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    • Exactly Suzanne!

      And I think the people speaking out against it have gained a lot of ground. The all natural, no GMO, no MSG, no preservatives, hormones, antibiotics, corn syrup, etc. section has tripled in size within a year in my local grocery store!

      Hurray!

      It's about supply and demand and we are demanding untainted foods and being heard! It makes it much easier for me to grocery shop with my grain and chemical allergies and all.

      The grocers are wising up and in their case, I don't even care if to them, it is all about the pocketbook. In my world, you want my money, give me what I want or I'll take it elsewhere. I'm going to spend it either way, your store or somewhere else!

      Terra
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    • Right now there's a group of several hundred (and rapidly growing) group of scientists and doctors calling for a global ban on glysophate. It kills soil microbes, it kills wildlife, it kills people, it's killing bees. Yet Monsanto is getting subsidies in the 9 and 8 figure range from the US gov - which it uses to pay for false advertising and the subsequent lawsuits.

      Ask yourself - why does the world's largest poison manufacturer have a near monopoly on food production.

      And watch it - Monsanto is acquiring Syngenta............and is going to change its name to throw off the global wide protest against the company. Kinda the same strategy a lot of major hated corps such as Blackwater (Now Xe) have done. Remember that research company a few years back that had conclusive proof that Monsanto is killing bees? You don't? Hummm..........maybe that's because as soon as that study was released, Monsanto swooped down, bought that company and silenced the report.

      Anyone who supports Monsanto at this stage of the game is completely uninformed. The only studies that have ever shown this poison as safe - are Monsanto funded studies. Every single independent study says "Holy shyte".

      Monsanto is about the largest piece of evidence on this planet that people have gone insane enough over power and money that they will allow complete and total destruction of everything for it.
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  • Requiring labels and more testing would do little more than drive the cost of food higher. Why not just let those who are concerned with GMOs seek out the niche producers who willingly label their non-GMO products? Or we could go back to all growing our own food I guess.
  • Although there is a spectrum of modifications, I want all GMO's to be labeled.

    It's sad that societies decided to go the fertilizer, poisoning, and mineral depleting route.

    One of my desk clerks used to be a nurse, a farmer, and work for NaturalGrocers.com...

    He points out that the GMO/Fertilizer route very likely caused the bee shortage and the increase
    in Autism (nope, not so much vaccination - the crops).

    Dan
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    • Dan the thing with the bees is mostly because of Bayers neonicotinoid insecticides. The g.e. seeds (and many other vegetable seeds) are coated with the insecticide. As the seed germinates and sprouts the insecticide is absorbed into the plant basically turning the plant into a killing machine. Naturally because the insecticide is in the pollen it attacks bees just as readily as the insects it is suppose to kill. That and round-up are also mostly responsible for the Monarch Butterfly decline.
      The link to Autism is being contributed to Round-up and active CryAb effecting our gut bacteria. CryAb is the toxin gene from B. thuringiensis. That bacteria has been used by farmers and nature for years to control insect populations. But the way it works in nature is very different from the way it acts in g.e. crops. In nature when an insect eats bT the toxin only activates if the stomach pH and other factors "tell" the bT. that it is the target insect. In other words the different subspecies of bT are insect specific. The bT toxin that is spliced into the gens of corn, soy, etc. goes through a process where it is "spliced" into the dna with the addition of an activator which turns the toxin on. This is done so they know if the process worked. The problem is that now that toxin will kill any insect that eats it (including bees). Studies are being down to see how it reacts with our gut bacteria. The theory is that it causes our bacteria to mutate and switch to the always on mode. Additionally scientist are thinking that when this happens the bacteria start eating through our intestinal walls causing leaky gut syndrome which then may lead to things like Autism and Alzheimer.

      EDIT: Damn I'm forgetful today Here's the problem with the fertilizers. The primary fertilizer used is Nitrogen. It the healthy life cycle in soils nitrogen fixation is carries out by micro-organisms in the soil. This article explains it all in detail Biological Nitrogen Fixation | Learn Science at Scitable
      The chemical fertilizers used are in a form that is readily available to the plants, bypassing the natural process. In turn the organisms responsible tend to get starved out and die leaving a soil that is incapable of fixating nitrogen. This also means that there is nothing in the soil to fixate or hold the nitrogen so whatever the plant doesn't grab gets washed out of the soil and ends up in our waters. Also because of this applying a nitrogen fertilizer is a hit or miss process. Because so little is used by the plants over fertilizing is often the norm. Also because it's impossible to know how much of an application will be used by the plant or leached from the root zone nitrogen toxicity can occur at any application.
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  • Conventional farmers have to fight organic gardening, Thom. After years of killing soil microbes and advantageous life forms with their pesticides and GMO's their soil and environment is ruined and they will have a long haul replenishing and, therefore, competing.
    That doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be done.

    Now that the dangers of poisoning have been admitted by mainstream health, and the extinction has been revealed mainstream - with the factor that bees are being killed at dangerous rates, we have no choice but suicide. I'm seriously hoping our species is smarter than that. Fortunately, we have scientists and doctors aligning and calling for a global ban on glysophate. People can call you and I as stupid as they want to - but these people are not of a stature to call scientists and doctors idiots. We're gaining the muscle on the side of the environment and health.
  • Capri Sun is a Kraft Foods juice drink with versions that have no artificial colors, flavors, and preservatives. No corn syrup. Less added sugar than other similar drinks.

    It seems like manufacturing costs would go down because they don't have to add artificial stuff.

    And the marketing plusses. The juice box says "You Asked. We Listened."

    It seems like so much can be done with little or no added costs - just changes in methodology
    to stuff your Grandparents knew about and practiced before the chemical sellers won.

    I think it's Finland where they naturally eradicated salmonella from chickens and eggs.

    Dan
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  • That's the way I feel. As long as NON-GMO is labeled - and I especially look for the Non-GMO Verified stamp which marks a product as being investigated third party for truth in the ingredient list,etc.

    Incidentally - here's a list of reps that are ex-monsanto. Monsanto is in the Supreme court, Exec branch - we might even get an ex-monsanto pres if people aren't smart enough to avoid it. We have Monsanto heading the FDA - we have Monsanto in the EPA...........and the company is highly subsidized with YOUR tax dollars. Those little lawsuits for false advertising before labeling votes doesn't even phase them - it all comes right out of your pocket.

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    • That's why I don't sign petitions or contact my reps anymore.
      G.M. and Kraft didn't remove artificial colors and flavors from their products because of petitions or polls. They removed them because they were hurting their bottom line. Boycotts can work.
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  • Sal will probably remember my local paper called the "Clear Creek Courant".

    Coincidentally, I read it today and noticed a little ad for the McDivitt law firm. They are taking
    on Monsanto about Round Up:

    Colorado Medical Injury Lawyers | Round Up | McDivitt Law
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  • Important to note that what Lance posted is a blog.

    I know there are pros and cons and I'm not an expert by any means,
    but I think messing with Mother Nature is always a bad idea.

    Just as a good enough example for my tastes:

    How Wolves Change Rivers - YouTube
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  • Trying to find the links that you'll consider authoritative, here - but a lot of scientists are not saying GMOs are safe.
    This is what you get when the gov is bought by corps -- and corps own the news media. All adversary voice is suppressed - you hear that "all" or "most" scientists are on the side that is being politically endorsed for whatever reason. If you follow the money, it always leads to "consensus" of scientific opinion even when consensus actually goes to the other side of the issue.
    Here's a TED talk that really covers the issue pretty well.
    The Gene Revolution, The Future of Agriculture: Dr. Thierry Vrain at TEDxComoxValley - YouTube
    Instead of me posting links that people will claim to be garbage -google "ex-monsanto employees whistle blowing" and you'll find that a lot of people that worked on the inside either get fired when they raise issues, or quit because of the corruption. Pick out your own authoritative links from the lists.

    You can find a lot of documentaries against GMO's. The new documentary "Bought" is a very good one to watch.
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    • I appreciate the reading material on both sides of the argument and understand that there is bias present on both sides. The more information, the better IMO.

      EDIT: The main reason I linked to the article above is because I knew people could point me to other resources that may lead me to evaluate that piece more objectively. Like I said, the article I linked to was an interesting read, but seemed to lack substance.
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