I'm SCARED about this!

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I hope people allow this to stay up. I know how many of you feel about me and, frankly, I really don't deserve the animosity, but HOPEFULLY you know that I have tried to not depend on ANYONE for any welfare, etc...

I had to pay 10s of thousands for an operation that saved my life, even though I had insurance. Still, I have no right pectoralis major, because they removed it to put me on bypass. I NEVER asked for a handout here, complained here, etc.... OH, you can BET I got more aggressive. I spent a LOT of the time down at the hospital to try to get questions answered, etc...

I, apparently SINGLE HANDEDLY, FOUGHT the FDA, and a company, because of a conspiracy that affected THOUSANDS of people, and perhaps MORE! Hospitals in my area, INCLUDING the biggest one in my state, and one of the biggest in the US, were OVER BURDENED! They were walk in, and became APPOINTMENT ONLY with at least a 2 week wait! Today, thanks to me, they are probably back to normal! Although it was not an easy fight, I did it WITHOUT a lawyer. I pulled the FDA into it, and was just about to pull the FTC, AG, and media into it before the company CAVED! I guess they started feeling a bit of heat when I told the FDA person about a lie they said about her! They are an international company, one of the leaders in INR tests and apparantly THE leader for hospitals.

If you, or a loved one, were on ANY major blood thinner like warfarin, coumadin, etc... around 2007 or even perhaps today, and were in or supported in any way through America(YEP, EVEN Mexico and CANADA), you may owe ME some gratitude for any freedom there. All I am asking is for you to give this the proper weight.

STILL, I have seen a lot of GOOD items BANNED, etc... I have managed to save up about 2 years of a drug I NEED to prevent that problem from affecting me soon. Thanks to my earlier fight, I don't have to depend so much on hospitals. My visits for INR tests WERE about 20+ a year, and I haven't had to make ANY visits for the 2 years since my fight.

My uncle, in another country, nearly DIED because of the rationing of healthcare!

Ask HEYSAL, as she is talking about a bill that wants to treat vitamins, and other supplements as BANNED or prescription only drugs!

So WHY did I right all this? WHAT scares me?

PLEASE read this:

http://defendyourhealthcare.us/

Steve
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  • Yeah, Steve - I already disclosed this crap in the CODEX thread - so far most are just thinking I type in a tinfoil hat. It's not really much use. I put this link up so people could read different aspects of the health care bill - the guy gives page number for each article so people can see it themselves. I didn't have one response to that post.
    http://blog.flecksoflife.com/2009/07...c-monstrosity/

    I was wrong. I thought they would be using the financial crash to implement fascist controls - they are using health instead.
    Not only will the bill allow them to withhold treatment from anyone they tell a doctor to withhold it from - it allows them to walk right into your house and dictate your health. It allow them to tell you exactly how you will parent your children. It also allows them to control your own family budget when they decide whether you can afford it or not. It's total Hitler style control - and put it together with CODEX and you are going to see a mass die off like you could not ever imagine. By that time people might quit idiotically screaming about "tinfoil hats" and figure out that maybe it's just a tad too late to do anything about the coup we just underwent without anyone even noticing.

    People think this is Obama's health bill. Once more -- it is not possible for a bill this size to be written and thrown out on the floor for voting in the amount of time he's been in office. This is just the last of the real treats from the good sociopaths that gave us CODEX.

    Over population problem solved.
  • They are talking about locking people into hospices, and encouraging their demise. They ALSO have started castrating HORSES claiming that they want to help them, etc... I SWEAR, they should go back to nursery school.

    One person in congress was quoted as saying that it was ridiculous to consider reading the bill before voting because it would take 2 lawyers 2 days! Well, that IS what they are supposed to do. They ARE supposedly mostly lawyers. They have LOTS of assistants, and some are NOT even paid!

    Steve
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    • What do doctors themselves over there have to say about it all? I personally know quite a few doctors myself and I can scarcely imagine a single one letting another doctor dictate how they treat their patients, let alone some bureaucrat.

      They can talk but putting such things into action is another matter entirely.

      The Nazi euthanasia programme started-off in a similar way before developing into out-right killing. However, it caused a huge backlash by the German public, who withdrew relatives from State medical care en masse, and by doctors, who conspired to deliberately misdiagnose patients to prevent them being considered unfit for further medical treatment. Even some Nazi Party members wrote to the Reich Chancellery to oppose the programme, but the final straw came when the Catholic Church in Germany publically denounced it both from the pulpit throughout the country and in a telegram sent directly to Hitler himself, who was subsequently jeered by an extremely anrgy crowd, the only time he was ever publically opposed during his rule.

      In short, no matter how clever and slick policy makers are in their justification for their actions, when it becomes official policy to "encourge" sick people to die, their relatives tend to get a tad tetchy, as do religious and medical organisations. The German people might have failed to stop the implementation of the euthanasia programme but, ultimately, when it became clear what the implications of that programme actually were, they forced their government into a humiliating u-turn, and did so in the midst of World War 2, when people could be summarily executed for much less.

      If ordinary people were prepared to publically attack and jeer a murderous dictator for going down the same road in Germany in 1941, why would things turn out any differently in America in 2009?
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  • Steve, you've said a lot there without saying what it was that you actually did: What was the conspiracy? Are you saying you single-handedly sorted out waiting-time problems at a major hospital? Or that you prevented the banning of certain drugs? Or... something else?
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    • If you must know, a major supplier claimed that the FDA told them to recall supplies AND, since that could have led to deaths and a massive PR disaster, they somehow decided to let hospitals have them. The hospitals then sometimes used twice as many to detect differences. Since people, like myself, couldn't get supplies, and various clinics couldn't get supplies, people had to flock to the big hospitals, and the hospitals were overloaded.

      After about 4 months, they made it clear they were lying, I tracked down THE fda agent that they claimed was responsible, and set them at odds against one another. They needed HER cooperation. If they didn't get it, their entire company could be obliterated, they could have been fined, etc.... SHE needed them to give a plausible story, or she would have to stop. I tried to be the crowbar to pry that crack open. After a couple weeks, they had a meeting about little old ME! Next thing I knew, supplies started flowing.

      Janet,

      The US wastes a LOT of money. We pay for pensions, and they now RIDICULE(LITERALLY) ANYONE that expects to see ANYTHING! There is talk about raising retirement to over 90yo! My current "insurance agent" broke a FEDERAL law and allowed the insurance company to basically charge me for NOTHING! I PAID for "insurance", but they wouldn't cover ANYTHING! It took MONTHS to fix that once I found I wasn't covered. IMAGINE if I had a major problem! My insurance was just changed again, and I STILL don't know if I am REALLY insured. The U.S. government is WORSE! HECK, they should have prevented that garbage from happening.

      AND there is a conspiracy to ARBITRARILY control credit! I have to check these numbers(everyone is assigned a set of 3 generally), and try to guess how to get them to go up. Nobody even knows the RANGE! Everyone thinks 850 is the best, for example. One company said they have several formulas, and only ONE goes to 850! My scores, as of yesterday and the 28th of last month, are like 727 691 777. Is 777 the highest? what can raise the 691? WHO KNOWS!?!?!? BTW that says good, fair-good, good-very good. And there are a few LIES there that the law requires that I be able to fix. They won't let me fix it.

      As for INR tests, sometimes my INR was WAY too high or too low. Waiting for a hospital to test me, ESPECIALLY the traditional way like the one HERE does, could lead to me having a stroke and/or dying. I LIKE being able to do it MYSELF! Before I could get downstairs to my car, I could get the result!

      In any event, I am GLAD you are happy with what you have. REALLY! But the US government can NOT be trusted! Maybe YOU don't have this saying, but in the US there are sayings like "You give them an inch and they will take a mile" and "slippery slope" and "snowball". ALL imply that we should STOP needless garbage because, otherwise, we will end up REGRETTING it! Look at TARP! Troubled Asset Relief Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And it is as bad as a tarp. It reminds me of the saying about "sweeping dirt under the rug"!

      Steve
  • Steve,

    I wish I could help you, but being a non US citizen or medicare subscriber, this Obamacare policy won't affect me or mine in any way.

    Warfarin has always been free here in the UK along with the INR tests we needed to have on whatever schedule they decided we needed them. You just turned up and had the test and the card was sent back to you a week later.

    Guess us folks in the UK have an awful lot to than Mr Bevin for.

    I hope this thread is allowed to stay up, and I also hope that other Governments decide to do the right thing for their people.
    You pay your taxes and we pay National Insurance too.

    The National Insurance pays for our health care and our megre pensions.

    Of the two, the healthcare is the most important.

    Just my humble opinion.
  • Steve, I can understand your situation. I have to pay for lipitor (a common anti-high cholesterol drug) because our not entirely free universal health care provider in Hong Kong will only stock Zocor. I cannot take zocor because a blood test determined that the drug is potentially dangerous to me. Howeover, I am still thankful that we have a universal health care system. At least, this means we have much less to worry about healthcare. However, it has got so expensive for the government that they are considering imposing some form of compulsory health insurance on us to pay for it. We are also well acquainted with your HMO system because some of them are very active in our private health here. A lot of medical professionals here are very worried about them.

    Janet, I have worked in the NHS as a doctor before and things are not as simple as it seems. Bevan will not recognize at all the way it is functioning today. There is also a restricted list of drugs and treatments that a hospital can prescrube. Not only that, your GP has wide discretion on how you will be taken care of. He can get quotes from different hospitals as to how much it will cost to treat a patient and sometime, patients are sent overseas for treatment. Hospitals have to compete with each other for patients and there is pressure on them to give the cheapest quotes. So basically, the NHS more or less functions like a profit making organization. It is highly debatable whether this has saved much money but certainly, the incomes of GP have increased massively as a result.

    Health care costs have risen well above inflation year after year. If anything good comes out of this recession, I hope it is time that there will be serious efforts to control them.


    Derek
  • It took the whole damned world to stop the Nazis and they had 6 mil under their belt by the time they could be stopped. Exactly who do you think in today's "global" BS would step in on our behalf if it happened?
    Remember Terri Shrivo anyone - woman was murdered, plain and simple. The only one who knew her and said she was vegged was her husband and his pal the judge - they both made quite a bit of cash in the matter.

    Anyhow - what we have seen being done to our finances in the last year is the biggest echo of hitler's economic system the world has ever seen - yet people still trust our gov. They have taken our habeas corpus from us, and people still trust them. They are taking moves toward extreme censorship and the people still trust them, they are pulling some real crap with drugging school kids and people still trust them. They are allowing our water to be poisoned, Monsanto to overrun the farmers, they have stolen public land and either charge us to step foot on it or sold it to corporations - people still trust them.

    Tommy - the truth is they could do any damned thing they want and people will still trust them. You could load 1/3 of our population in concentration camps right now - and as long as the gov had a good excuse to tell their corporately owned media, no one would lift a finger to do crap about it.

    I tried to tell people almost 3 decades ago that the FED was not a branch of the gov it was a bank. All they could do is scream about tinfoil hats. Now most people know it and outside of about 10% of the population, most don't even understand the implications of our country being owned by a bank. You talk fascism or Hitler and all people know is that he killed a bunch of Jews. They understand nothing about how the financial systems were set up to completely crash the German economy when he was set up into power - and he was set up - how else does a poor little nobody with no finances of his own achieve that kind of power?

    You talk about corporate owned media and people not only don't understand that our media centers have become corporately owned, they have no idea what the big deal about that is. They were warned about the financial crash and all they could do was once again yell about tinfoil hats - when it came to the bailout they finally got together and a vast majority of the population said "no" very loudly, followed by threats to either refuse re-election to offenders or just to directly remove them from office - they didn't remember that for 2 freaking weeks.

    We've had the world's biggest ponzi scheme run on us (Social Security) and they haven't even hid the fact they were dipping into it, and do you see people marching in the street to protest their money being just outrightly stolen from them? LOL

    These people are so well brainwashed to scream tinfoil hat any time anyone says something bad is coming down that the Moonies could take a lesson from it. The wake up call is on the agenda - there's going to be one hell of a lot of extemely surprised people in 2010. And they will still be screaming "tinfoil" hat, no matter what freedom is ripped out from under them or how much of their money the gov decides to take from them. If people would start reading some bills before screaming about tinfoil hats they would turn a few colors that you've never seen humans turn before.

    As far as I'm concerned it's about a year past time to send the military in and remove anyone from office who has voted for anything against the constitution and to dismantle the fed.

    Sign me:
    Not so loyal subject of the United States of Goldman Sachs.
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    • I know but I was talking only about their euthanasia programme, which started the same way (Steve reckons) it's about to in the US. The whole world didn't put a stop to that; the German people themselves did.

      Ultimately, even the Nazis had to bow to the severity of the backlash in public opinion; if it was a step too far there, I think it would prove to be ten steps too far in the US.

      Unless the U.S. is about to transform into something much worse than Nazi-controlled Germany (I know some think it is; I don't), I don't think things will ever be as bad as some people think, even if policy-makers want them to be.

      Tommy.
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    • Whether it's the United States or anywhere, if restrictions become too harsh with healthcare (or any other product) there will always be a market that sells the item you are looking for.

      I'm not advocating to openly break the law, but if you found a way of getting healthcare outside of the rules of law and it allowed you to LIVE, I think it would be hard to pass up the option.

      I'm sure other countries would be more than willing to let you get whatever health procedure assuming you had the cash for it.

      Crude Example: If dentistry was banned or was backlogged 3 months, I would find my way to Mexico to get a root canal when the pain is that horrible.

      Don't live in fear.
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  • WOW, I started doing something many politicians think is LUDICROUS! I started READING the stupid plan. Windows crashed before I made my last update, so I lost a few minutes work. 8-( They SAY it is 1000 pages. The one I looked at APPEARED to be 1017. After removing the introductions, etc... It APPEARED to be 1003! Well, it refers to other laws, etc... so a CONCISE understanding would require reading far more.

    STILL, in the first 30 pages, it says that NO competing plan can be created! NONE!!!!!! Page 16 102(a)(1)(A) Any competing plans that existed before the plan can NOT be changed, and must comply with the benefits/rules/etc... here, or they will be ABOLISHED! They are reassessed after 5 years, and may be cancelled. NO competing plan can accept new members after passage of this bill! Costs can NOT vary based on a persons risk unless all people in that group ALSO have costs changed accordingly.

    In short, it is unlikely that there will be any choices. If you are in aetna, and prefer bluecross, you better switch NOW! AFTER the bills passage, you won't be able to switch. Then again, is bluecross' plan going to exist? If you switch now, and IT is dropped, you can't switch back to aetna!

    BTW Dependents can be added ONLY if they are added through BIRTH! If you are in a plan, and your dependent is in another plan, and things look better for him/her under your plan after the switch, they will NOT be allowed to join! Likewise, when go out on their own, they may be FORCED to take the governments plan. I didn't see anything in the bill that said one way or the other.

    ALSO, there is a utopian view that, while the hospital MUST give raises, pay well, etc... (under the area in 1007 and following), insurance must NOT raise costs more than the CPI! They also can change NO terms, and their risks will tend to go up!

    Secure horizons, and the like, apparently don't have to worry so much. There is an exclusion for them. Alas, I am too young for that. You CAN get special insurance to AUGMENT some things, but that is in ADDITION to this plan, and NOT to compete! That is at an ADDED COST!

    Hospitals are ALSO controlled, and must have UNION labor(page 1007 D)! States are controlled in the normal way.

    1017 A state may be given federal funds under Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 201 et seq.) only if the entire state complies with this bill.

    OH YEAH, on the medical board, nearly everyone is picked by the PRESIDENT! Nearly everyone else is picked by someone the president picks!

    I actually like the area: 1000 (subtitle C National Meidcal Device Registry) The problem is that I must have missed something. That is too simple, and should have been done since day one! After all, that IS part of the FDAs mission statement!

    OK, I ADMIT IT! I started from the back, and then, after page 979, decided to go from the front. The meat of a lot of the problems is really after page 14.

    I know you might not believe some stuff, so here:


    Or how about this:

    This is like a nightmare.

    Steve
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    I'm SCARED about this!

    I hope people allow this to stay up. I know how many of you feel about me and, frankly, I really don't deserve the animosity, but HOPEFULLY you know that I have tried to not depend on ANYONE for any welfare, etc... I had to pay 10s of thousands for an operation that saved my life, even though I had insurance. Still, I have no right pectoralis major, because they removed it to put me on bypass. I NEVER asked for a handout here, complained here, etc.... OH, you can BET I got more aggressive. I spent a LOT of the time down at the hospital to try to get questions answered, etc...