Windows 10, this is probably a deal-breaker for me - Windows 10 Upgrades Cannot Be Stopped

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I am currently looking at dual-booting with Linux Mint to see if I can run my business (and play ) from there.

Time will tell.

Windows 10 Upgrades Cannot Be Stopped


Joe Mobley
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  • This from another article. Conflicting

    "The updates are intended as a necessary plumbing change to allow Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 users to upgrade to Windows 10. The updates don't necessarily mean anyone will be forced to upgrade, just that the changes are required should a person choose to do so. And, it's possible that the Windows Update modifications will be used for other things in the future, so, Joseph says, "This update is applicable to your systems even if you're not planning to migrate to Windows 10, so don't think you can skip it." He later states that there are significant improvements in this Windows Update upgrade and those changes are important."

    Source: Patch Tuesday: Microsoft Explains the Windows 10 Upgrade Plumbing Delivered in April's Releases | Patch Tuesday content from Windows IT Pro

    Now I have looked at an official video on Youtube about windows 10 and did not find it to be daunting at all. They have integrated some of the tiling (I have 8.1 anyway but chose to go with the free shell program for the desktop which makes it perform like 7) with the desktop start menu and you have your start button back. Access to your programs are through that start menu again. Personally have not got a problem with it.

    Incidently: The free windows shell program which will make your computer usable in the familiar 7 fashion already states that it has support for 10. http://www.classicshell.net/

    My only concern is that I have access to my programs, files and folders and that those programs work.

    I think you should not worry about this and embrace the evil Microsoft. :-) The more stable and functional it is the better.

    It's only a matter of time until your computer breaks and you will be forced to go with the new stuff anyway.

    If it is enforced though (and I doubt it) Sal's not going to like it. :-)
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    I think you'e missing the whole point of Windows 10 using the cloud.

    Think of it like Adobe Photoshop CC, the updates are automatic, you'll always have the newest version.

    I'm sure within 2 years MS will be doing cloud subscription pricing similar to Adobe.
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    • They already started doing that with MS Office a few years ago. I'm sure WIndows is next.
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      My Creative Cloud subscription does not update automatically. It asks me if I want to update any individual app in the package. Not sure if that's a setting I chose, but that is how I prefer it.

      Cheers. - Frank
  • SUFFICE IT TO SAY, linux is nipping at its heels. I have said this a lot, BUT..... When I started, people didn't listen to me, and it was NOWHERE to be seen! In 4 years, it DOMINATED the big to mid computer industry. HP, SUN, IBM, DEC, MIPS, APPLE, etc.... Within another 7-8 years, it took over small webservers. Within 10 years it all but took over the IoT! It now supports more CPUs than any OS in all of history. OH, and did I mention? It has done windows for over about 20 years and now has variants that look like windows and even have windows type software running on them?

    So YEAH, M/S should WATCH IT! MOST of the software I now run can EASILY run natively on linux. Nearly all of the rest could run under an emulator. I wonder WHEN M/S is going to make one mistake too many, but lately they keep getting closer! Heck, I run a lot of windows versions of Linux software now!

    Steve
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    • Laughable

      Check out this real-time chart that shows the usage of operating systems. Linux is 1.57 percent. Windows makes up all but 3.41 percent of the rest, probably mostly Apple.

      Operating system market share

      Most people who buy Pc's to run a business or use for general stuff don't give a flying fig about operating systems. They go with the herd, the herd uses Windows and are happy with it.

      It's a scant few people that want to delve into an operating system. This ain't the Home Brew computer club anymore. It's just about plenty of programs to run, minimum of fuss to do it.
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    • Since I've been using LInux - since the late 90s - Linux magazines and even lots of mainstream tech magazines have been saying things along these lines. But the average computer owner doesn't know what "a LInux" is or why it matters.

      But who knows, Windows could drop the ball a few more times like many said they did with 8 and the weird tile UI that it has, or with this subscription idea that's used with office, and maybe they'll eventually frustrate people enough to explore options away from windows. Who knows.

      Maybe in 15 to 20 more years, a world dominated by Linux will be a reality....

      I'm using Linux Mint these days, and since most everything I do is done in a text editor and a browser, I don't have requirements to run Windows software. But I wonder how MS Office subscriptions are working out for MS. It just seems like that's a bold move when there's free office suites like Libre office or WPS office that do pretty much everything most people need to do. OneNote though, there's nothing like it.
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    • That's interesting, but not quite how I remember it during my 25 years in the industry.

      HP. Sun, IBM, DEC, MIPS, and Apple all used variants of Unix, and then began offering Linux as an option. Apple's OS is based on BSD, not Linux. HP-UX is still a robust OS used on much of HP's mid to large scale systems.

      Web servers have always been dominated by either BSD or Linux, so that was never a transition.

      Linux is an excellent OS on both the desktop and server, but it still is only a tiny blip on the radar for desktops. APPLE IS NOT LINUX...just thought that needed repeating.

      I have only ONCE in 25 years serviced a Linux desktop computer that was not mine. I have serviced thousands of Windows machines.

      I did have quite a few Linux servers in operation, but they were outnumbered by Windows Servers. (This is in small business environments.)

      Linux continues to improve, but with the fractured nature of multiple providers, it is unlikely it will ever grab the interest of major computer manufacturers and the home market.

      If there was a single robust version of Linux that eliminated the other distributions, then maybe.
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    Something I haven't seen anyone mention on this forum is how MS store is trying to make software easier to monetize for both developers & affiliates.

    This is a game changer because If they do this right they could basically have an army of affiliates promoting the MS store like Google did with Adsense only the potential is way bigger than Google/Adsense because the Windows user base is much bigger when you combine WinOS & Xbox.






    (02) Store & Monetization || A Developer's Guide to Windows 10 - YouTube
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    • I don't think MS haters really fathom whats happening at MS especially from a development end. they are becoming incredibly open. Another game changer is that A huge chunk of .net is now open source and asp.net core will before the years is out run on almost any server linux, windows or Mac.

      This is not the old MS.
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    • SO WHAT!?!?!?!?!!? I saw a couple at a store. They were speaking with the sales person there, that was NOT very bright. It was like the blind leading the blind. The woman said that she NEVER does ANY work with computers. She buys the stuff, probably with her SONS recommendation, takes the pieces to him, and HE assembles it and she takes it home. I have heard MANY say that sort of thing, YOUNG AND OLD ALIKE! So are YOU going to do that on your site? I would LOVE to see it! And how do you explain what they want to get? I have seen people UPSET that they didn't get CDs, or the software didn't work on their system. A coworker once ordered a M/S product, and was STUNNED, and ANGRY to find he only got a LICENSE! Such are the kinds of things that can happen, and many don't want to take the chance. And M/S now has new "lower" prices that are actually very high. I wonder how many will be upset by THAT!

      [/quote]This is a game changer because If they do this right they could basically have an army of affiliates promoting the MS store like Google did with Adsense only the potential is way bigger than Google/Adsense because the Windows user base is much bigger when you combine WinOS & Xbox.[/quote]

      You REALLY think Microsoft needs that kind of help that much?


      Steve
  • What troubles me is that M$ hasn't announced any pricing scheme.

    At all.

    They throw the words "free" around regarding M$ Window$ 10...

    But if you read the fine print it's "free" for upgrades of certain operating systems, and for the "life of the machine".

    I'm quite frankly annoyed that they haven't specified ANYTHING about price.

    Don't they know their end users are frantically watching? I don't mind paying $10 per month for Office 365, but if they pull some shenanigans... It could be lights out for Windows.

    (Once their core army of IT nerds abandon them and stop recommending them, it's nighty night bunny rabbit).

    We shall see.

    Cordially

    A Micro$oft fanboy

    PS: This might seem like I'm a pessimist. I'm really not.

    I got excited when I saw GWX.exe, and await to install and test out 10 with angst.

    Everyone's chatting about whether or not .net is open source. How about some price transparency?

    Later
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    • Bill Gates said he'd rather have everyone in the world pay him a dollar on a regular basis to use his stuff than just have it out there for sale at full price (something like that) This is what they are moving towards. Subscription based. You never buy software outright anyway, only the rights to use it. Why not pay just pennies on a regular basis and get it constantly updated and improved, even replaced, rather than have something that becomes dated within a few years. Attractive to the end user and a constant stream of cash to Microsoft. Very smart.

      Also, providing the latest windows for the life of your machine and any new machine is smart. Always fresh, always new and enhanced. Give that for free and put in attractive software with it, some of which has upgrade for a fee options as well as subscription based to continue using. Open the doors to other software makers, take a cut. Simply a brilliant idea.
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  • I'm on the Windows 10 beta, and its been great so far. All my programs work, although I'm always on the latest versions, so can't speak to older versions. My guess is they probably won't work.
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