Making $1 MILLION DOLLARS ??? Really? That's ALL You Want To Earn?? LMAO

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Hello Warriors,

I keep reading on this forum guys talking about making $1,000,000.

I mean really? You can't even buy a decent home these days for a $1,000,000.

What about your basic cost of living, cars, travel, furniture, entertainment, family, etc., etc.

To be honest if I was in this to only have a goal to make $1,000,000 I'd be seriously depressed.

That's just the STARTING ground. Over our lifetime we should be aiming for minimum MINIMUM $10,000,000 to $20,000,000.

Now we are starting to talk real money and even that isn't much in today's world.

It makes me gag seeing these posts of people talking of making $1,000,000 in combination with the mentality that they have made it. How much of that is the IRS going to take? lol

So you can't even afford a decent house after the IRS sucks your blood. (Forget the basic cost of living, cars, travel, furniture, entertainment , family)

I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if I thought I was capped at $1,000,000.

Now I'm not saying to do it in 3 weeks. I said LIFETIME goal.

Just like the book The Magic of Thinking Big I think many of you on WF are undermining your potential.

Interested to hear what others have to say.

I'm not a huge 50 Cent fan but I saw an interview with him and he said his goal was the same as the name of the album that put him on the map "Get Rich Or Die Trying" and I don't think $1,000,000 in todays world could be considered rich by any means.

Thanks.

J
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    I hear you.

    I agree that people have to think big.

    But you have to understand that since the first million is an important mental threshold for ultimate success, this is the first benchmark point people aim for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      With that mentality, you are going to be very disappointed in this business.

      If you can't be grateful with $1,000,000- and you feel 'depressed' at that amount, than you will have better luck in the lotto.
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    • Profile picture of the author phoebe2015
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      I hear you.

      I agree that people have to think big.

      But you have to understand that since the first million is an important mental threshold for ultimate success, this is the first benchmark point people aim for.
      Couldnt agree more here... it is still a big sum for the majority out there ... some of whom cant afford a rood over their head.
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    Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

    Over our lifetime we should be aiming for minimum MINIMUM $10,000,000 to $20,000,000.
    Apparently you missed in one of my posts where I cautioned folks to have realistic expectations, to set and achieve small goals before setting their sites any higher. This is what those of us in the real world refer to as, 'common-sense.'

    Make $1000 before you start talking about making a million $$. Even $100 would be nice, don't you think?

    Additionally, if you think that you are going to make $20m in IM, I'll keep my spare bedroom open for you. It's the guy that wants to focus on making the next single dollar that eventually acquires a million of them. Oh, and you can quote me on that. lol

    Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Jordo,

      With a mind set like that, you're going to crash and burn.

      If you're depressed thinking about making "only a million," think how you're going to feel when you struggle to make a few thousand.

      Too grandiose financial dreams, IMO, are a large part of the "myth" of Internet riches. When money is the object, no amount satisfies. When millions are the goal, they also become the obstacle.

      Instead, set short term goals and small objectives to reach them. Go one doable step at a time.

      Steve

      And by the way, $1,000,000 is a great income if you're a disciplined investor and you're not in debt up to your eyeballs!
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

    You can't even buy a decent home these days for a $1,000,000.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Fair enough writeaway I agree with that.

    Zodiax it's not about being grateful as I never said I would be ungrateful I just said I think BIGGER. I disagree with you.

    Frank yes what you say is true but again like Zodiax your not hearing where I'm coming from. I'm merely talking about thinking BIGGER.

    You have to envision it before you can achieve it is that not a proven success formula? Absolutely.

    All I'm saying is $1,000,000 (especially after taxes) is PEANUTS. You don't play the game to win the President's Trophy. Why do you think the Western and Eastern conference champions don't touch the trophy. Because they both believe they will win The Stanley Cup. That said. One of them will be wrong but does that mean they should enter into the Stanley Cup Final with doubt they will achieve their dream? lol. You know the answer to that.

    None of us have a crystal ball unfortunately.

    Think Big Get Big. Think Small Get Small. Life Really Is That Simple. (Many will think big and still end up with small but that's life). However, Lets not waste time restating the obvious.

    Who says I'd make all my money in IM? You assume to much and you know what they say about that.

    Thanks.

    J
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    • Profile picture of the author HappyKeg
      Aim small miss small. Question is do you have a .22 or a cannon?

      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post


      Think Big Get Big. Think Small Get Small. Life Really Is That Simple. (Many will think big and still end up with small but that's life). However, Lets not waste time restating the obvious.



      J
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    Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

    I mean really? You can't even buy a decent home these days for a $1,000,000.
    I guess you've been watching too many Fresh Prince of Bel-Air reruns.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Steve I agree with you. Remember I said LIFETIME goal. I never said I wasn't looking to start as a hundredaire and then a thousandaire and then a millionaire.

    $1,000,000 is not the panacea is all I'm saying.

    I do appreciate your wanting to make sure I'm on the right track though but I'm talking about earning $10M-$20M+ over a period of a LIFETIME. 40 years or so not 40 minutes like some of these other guys want to make it in lol.

    Everyone has different size goals. Some people would say your crazy to try and make $100,000.

    See where the masses are going and go the other way.

    Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    You bet jasondinner no question about that.

    But why set limits on yourself?

    Glass ceiling mentality being called out here is all.

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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      You bet jasondinner no question about that.

      But why set limits on yourself?

      Glass ceiling mentality being called out here is all.

      J
      I am limitless.

      And there's nothing wrong with having a B-HAG (Big Hairy Audacious Goal), but your day to day, month to month, and year to year targets should be a little more down to earth and achievable.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Steve. Yes $1,000,000 as an annual INCOME is different from making $1,000,000 once which is how I was perceiving how these members where talking. $1,000,000 these days is nothing.

    $1,000,000
    - IRS
    - Basic Cost of Living
    - 1 Average House
    - 1 Average Car
    = $0 Remaining

    I'm not looking to be average. I'd rather be dead.

    Now $1,000,000 a year INCOME is a different story. There is your $20M+ right there. Mission accomplished.

    J
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    • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post


      $1,000,000
      - IRS
      - Basic Cost of Living
      - 1 Average House
      - 1 Average Car
      = $0 Remaining
      After taxes your looking at having around $600K.

      If you truly purchased a "national average" house and car, I would guess that is like $200K or so. At that level, basic cost of living isn't that much. So $0 is a bit off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
        Man, and I thought I was extravagant...
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    • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      Steve. Yes $1,000,000 as an annual INCOME is different from making $1,000,000 once which is how I was perceiving how these members where talking. $1,000,000 these days is nothing.

      $1,000,000
      - IRS
      - Basic Cost of Living
      - 1 Average House
      - 1 Average Car
      = $0 Remaining

      I'm not looking to be average. I'd rather be dead.

      Now $1,000,000 a year INCOME is a different story. There is your $20M+ right there. Mission accomplished.

      J
      Why buy it all right away?

      If you gave me a million I'm going to pay the taxes then track down a badass financial advisor that's going to get me a healthy yearly salary and never touch the principal.

      Keep driving tuned Hondas and Mazdas, maybe finance a Purrarri for $1500-2k a month for a year, or so. You know, to actually live the d-bag life.

      Keep a truck to haul my broke down Honda's and Mazda's from the track.

      House on the beach is $10,000,000. House 4 blocks from the beach is $200,000. Same neighborhood and I can still go surfing. Take a 15 year mortgage on it, call it my own one day.

      Keep your cost of living below $4,000 a month, and if times get tough, go get a job.

      A million is still a lot of money.

      Guess what, right now, you're average. Until you crack that first million, you're still going to be average.

      When you've got the first million, you're going to meet guys that laugh at you because you're a poor chap who could use some guidance. Then you're below average.

      Then when you've made $10,000,000 you realize that you're actually still broke, and can't really do anything meaningful in the world, so you aim for $100,000,000.

      Sure, a lot of people look up to you, but you're still "below average". Then when you get your $100 million, you're alone because you've spent your entire life devoted to a dollar bill and probably paranoid people are going to take it from you.

      Thriving? Nah, you'll still be miserable.

      Rethink your value of a dollar, and you won't need as many to get by and be happy.
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      • Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

        Take a 15 year mortgage on it, call it my own one day.
        Even when you have paid your mortgage in full, including all the interest accrued after 15 years, you still won't be able to call it your own one day.

        Even though your mortgage is paid in full, if you stop paying the rates & taxes on your house long enough, your house will be taken away from you.

        You will never own your land, it's owned by your government, or some foreign bankers that your country owes money too.

        Banks and mortgage brokers smuggle with your brain to make you take out a 15 to 30 year mortgage on your home, only to find out that you will never own it. You may be the holder of the title deed, until you stop paying the rates and taxes on your home.

        You will always be paying for your home, water bill, electricity bill, refuge bill, rates & Taxes.

        You entered this world with nothing, and the powers that be will make sure you leave this earth leaving your family with debt, unless you educate yourself financially and learn how to legally avoid paying unnecessary taxes.

        Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

        Rethink your value of a dollar, and you won't need as many to get by and be happy.
        Learn how to legally use other peoples' money to finance your dreams, that will make you happy.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by Internet Trillionaire View Post

          You will never own your land, it's owned by your government, or some foreign bankers that your country owes money too.
          Watch out for those black helicopters. They are watching every move you make and the NSA is reading every word you type.

          Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
          Originally Posted by Internet Trillionaire View Post

          Even when you have paid your mortgage in full, including all the interest accrued after 15 years, you still won't be able to call it your own one day.

          Learn how to legally use other peoples' money to finance your dreams, that will make you happy.
          You're tons of fun, huh?

          I've already legally used other people's money and it landed me without 2 businesses, and $70,000 in debt.

          Shxt happens. It's a lot less stressful to use my own cash. I'm not as careless, either.
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          • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
            Lady dollar is so good in between those sheets that we all keep coming back for more.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          I was going to ask who bumped this thread to torture us again but i see it was the OP

          Yes I'll take a million dollars from a venture as a goal and be fine. why? I understand the power of compound interest - unlike quite a few people in this thread.

          P.S. I know of no one that has a lifetime goal of a million dollars. every single person wants it before they die and well before they die.
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            I was going to ask who bumped this thread to torture us again but i see it was the OP
            It's a shame more people don't report this sort of thing
            before the sad attention seekers finish the forum off.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
          Someone is feeling a bit lonely.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Why did you bite.
          Because if you only growl - no one hears you?

          What I've noticed is those who love to start - and bump - threads about how awful it is work a "j.o.b." or how many zeros you need to earn...are usually by people who aren't self supporting.

          What's up with that? Oh well, entertainment...
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          you will live like crap
          Exactly why I wouldn't live in NYC - that and the people and the traffic and the noise and the....
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      Steve. Yes $1,000,000 as an annual INCOME is different from making $1,000,000 once which is how I was perceiving how these members where talking. $1,000,000 these days is nothing.

      $1,000,000
      - IRS
      - Basic Cost of Living
      - 1 Average House
      - 1 Average Car
      = $0 Remaining

      I'm not looking to be average. I'd rather be dead.

      Now $1,000,000 a year INCOME is a different story. There is your $20M+ right there. Mission accomplished.

      J
      Not sure where you are planning on living or what your daily expenses are - but a mill for me will more than do the trick.

      Tiny house custom built + land: 60k
      Car - haha, I drive old cars and the most expensive car I had was only 7k.

      Basic cost of living: I live on roughly $20 a day. This includes phone (which I'm about to cut in half), internet, food, etc.

      IRS can take their cut and I'm still fine. If I'm paying IRS then I'm probably continuing to make money over that 1mill mark.

      People "think" they need more stuff, but more stuff means more responsibility and drains more from you.

      No need to move to a 3rd world country if you learn how easy it is to live with less "stuff."
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      • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Not sure where you are planning on living or what your daily expenses are - but a mill for me will more than do the trick.

        Tiny house custom built + land: 60k
        Car - haha, I drive old cars and the most expensive car I had was only 7k.

        Basic cost of living: I live on roughly $20 a day. This includes phone (which I'm about to cut in half), internet, food, etc.

        IRS can take their cut and I'm still fine. If I'm paying IRS then I'm probably continuing to make money over that 1mill mark.

        People "think" they need more stuff, but more stuff means more responsibility and drains more from you.

        No need to move to a 3rd world country if you learn how easy it is to live with less "stuff."
        Why did you bite.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    jasondinner,

    That goes without saying. The purpose of this thread wasn't to think realistic it was to think exceptional.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    You've been here for 12 years and haven't got your website up yet from what I understand. Or perhaps you bought an aged account.

    Not being critical. Not being negative. I am all for positive thinking, thinking big, thinking out of the box, dreaming, etc. But wouldn't it be good to make your first $1,000 be your "billion dollar" dream for now? Then you can scale it up once you reach it.

    That's not undermining anyone's potential. People that live in fantasy land for 12 years without facing facts are doing good enough at undermining their potential by thinking they are going to make not just a million but a million a year or more.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      You've been here for 12 years and haven't got your website up yet from what I understand. Or perhaps you bought an aged account.

      Not being critical. Not being negative. I am all for positive thinking, thinking big, thinking out of the box, dreaming, etc. But wouldn't it be good to make your first $1,000 be your "billion dollar" dream for now? Then you can scale it up once you reach it.

      That's not undermining anyone's potential. People that live in fantasy land for 12 years without facing facts are doing good enough at undermining their potential by thinking they are going to make not just a million but a million a year or more.

      Mark
      This post is brilliant.
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  • Profile picture of the author James McAllister
    People should aim high but 1 million after taxes certainly is a lot of money. Heck, I could retire on 1 million and live off of $40,000 a year until I'm dead, accounting for inflation as well.

    Sure, no mansion or Lamborghini but I value my time more than I value stuff like that anyway (not to mention, my required annual income would go up as well.)

    Then again I'm not a mega-consumer like most people here in the U.S are...

    But yeah, I agree with you in the other aspects. I'd rather aim for 20 million and reach 10 then reach for 5 million and hit that target.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by James McAllister View Post

      People should aim high but 1 million after taxes certainly is a lot of money. Heck, I could retire on 1 million and live off of $40,000 a year until I'm dead, accounting for inflation as well.
      Wait til you have kids. I don't care where you live in the states. $40K is not enough to raise a family and be a provider to them.
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        Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

        Wait til you have kids. I don't care where you live in the states. $40K is not enough to raise a family and be a provider to them.
        Yes it is.
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        • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
          Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

          Yes it is.
          Please tell me where so I can move there and live like a king.

          I'm in NY and the annual cost for health insurance for my family exceeds $20K lol
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          • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
            Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

            Please tell me where so I can move there and live like a king.

            I'm in NY and the annual cost for health insurance for my family exceeds $20K lol
            Im in NYC, and Im so poor I can qualify for medicare.

            In fact, obama made it so im on my parents healthcare.

            Besides, doesn't your internet income go up annually?
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            • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
              Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post



              Im in NYC, and Im so poor I can qualify for medicare.

              In fact, obama made it so im on my parents healthcare.

              Besides, doesn't your internet income go up annually?

              So essentially, I am paying for your medicare. You're welcome lol

              Anyways, yeah my income goes up every year, but still wouldn't be opposed to cutting my cost of living by $30-40K per year or more by moving off of Long Island.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                If you are talking about New York and California - you are on a different planet in prices than much of the rest of the country (except D.C.).
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                • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  If you are talking about New York and California - you are on a different planet in prices than much of the rest of the country (except D.C.).
                  I couldn't agree more Kay, but living on $40K with 4 kids? Unless I live on an Amish farm somewhere - which means I can't use the internet to make money lol
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                • Profile picture of the author longrobnc
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  If you are talking about New York and California - you are on a different planet in prices than much of the rest of the country (except D.C.).

                  I live in NC, and you will live like crap even down here on $40k.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                    Originally Posted by longrobnc View Post

                    I live in NC, and you will live like crap even down here on $40k.
                    It's all about your lifestyle and spending habits.



                    Quoted on a page about Raleigh:

                    Expenses such as housing, transportation and utilities are all below the national average.
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  • Profile picture of the author AhmedFouad96
    1m dollar equals 7m in my country. LOL. So, it should be enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Sounds like some of you are insulted and hurt by my calling out your $1 MILLION dream lol.

    I'm already very successful in sales, real estate and ecommerce for that matter if you count eBay which it is ecommerce.

    I've already surpassed the $1 MILLION DOLLAR mark albeit not from IM. I've made at close to $100K with eBay so I'm sure that is farther than a few of you negative haters who posted above. lol.

    Hate all you want. I'm doing fine with or without IM I just happen to like it and want to create some passive income rather than always having to be hustling around for it.

    I knew this would bring out those who had their own insecurities and had already capped themselves off via the glass ceiling mentality but I posted it anyway to help those few exceptions that believe they can achieve greatness.

    I never had a reason to use my WF account after signing up as I was busy with a powerseller eBay business, my sales career, and real estate investing if you must know. eBay went to hell via google panda and I decided that rather than beat a dead horse I'd switch to the affiliate marketing side so I looked up my account and here I am.

    You say your not being negative or attacking me but really your reflecting your own negative beliefs.

    Nothing personal was ever meant by this post but a few of you obviously couldn't take it lol.

    I'm hear to help offer what I can and bring to the table what I can and most Warriors see that I think but there are always a few just like in anything else that are unhappy with their own selves and have to hate.

    All you did by being so negative and insulting is reveal your no where near your own goals whatever those may be.

    Now if I said it could be done over the period of a ridiculous time frame then ya sure attack me and I'd deserve it but I stated OVER and OVER and OVER this was a LIFETIME goal. Do the math on LIFETIME lol my God your smarter than that aren't you?

    Also, I was referring to a LIFETIME of achievement NOT just from IM but from IM and all the investing and everything one does to achieve financial success.

    No hard feelings here. Whether you continue to harbor them is up to you.



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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Diablo. That is a fair argument depending on who your speaking too. What neighborhood are you living in with a $200,000 home??? Isn't the point of this to STRIVE not to SURVIVE???

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    • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      Diablo. That is a fair argument depending on who your speaking too. What neighborhood are you living in with a $200,000 home??? Isn't the point of this to STRIVE not to SURVIVE???

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      You said average home, my guess is that's about the cost for national average.

      My guess that the reason for the push-back is that probably 95% of everyone that tries to make money online fails or struggles to make even $1000 per month. Those that are lucky enough to actually make $1mm per year or more is going to be a fraction of 1%. Even the top income as a whole in the US starts at $400K to be in the 1%. So for most the thought of $10mm-$20mm is fantasy land and just getting to that first $1mm is much more realistic of a goal.
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    Dude sorry to break it to you,

    but nobody cares about you.
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    lol Zodiax I don't care what you think. I obviously called it or you wouldn't have responded as you have.

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    "National Average" house!?? Why are you even in this profession if your looking to be 'AVERAGE'?

    Fair question I would think.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You've been here for 12 years and haven't got your website up yet from what I understand. Or perhaps you bought an aged account.
      Maybe option #2 as first post was three weeks ago.

      You can dream as big as you want - but dreaming for yourself only.

      I mean really? You can't even buy a decent home these days for a $1,000,000.

      What about your basic cost of living, cars, travel, furniture, entertainment, family, etc., etc.
      That doesn't make sense - indicates a lack of knowledge of regional real estate for one thing. The only basic costs to worry about are your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    $1,000,000
    Less
    IRS ($400,000) if you don't have any write offs
    $300,000 average house (In Metro Phoenix anyway)
    $50,000 average car
    $100,000 furnish house go on a vacation or two and entertainment
    $50,000 unexpected and emergency
    $50,000 food, gas, bills, etc. for two years
    = $50,000 left and to me that may not be $0 but it's cutting it real close

    Not considering wife/girlfriend, kids if you have them, entertainment, and on and on it goes.

    Your now officially BROKE!

    "The best thing you can do for the poor is not be one of them." - Jordorules
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    • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      $1,000,000
      Less
      IRS ($400,000) if you don't have any write offs
      $300,000 average house (In Metro Phoenix anyway)
      $50,000 average car
      $100,000 furnish house go on a vacation or two and entertainment
      $50,000 unexpected and emergency
      $50,000 food, gas, bills, etc. for two years
      = $50,000 left and to me that may not be $0 but it's cutting it real close

      Not considering wife/girlfriend, kids if you have them, entertainment, and on and on it goes.

      Your now officially BROKE!

      "The best thing you can do for the poor is not be one of them." - Jordorules
      That's your problem lol.

      I've got nice ass furniture and I spent $4k. I took a week vacation and spent $1,500. Hire an account and pay the IRS 25%. You're rich remember, you don't pay taxes? That makes me question your first million, to begin with.

      $50,000 average car. Pfft, why? For $1,000 average repair bills? You can keep it.

      Give me a few 10 year old cars I can keep running with some stereo wire, paper clips, and rubber bands. Maybe a nice $30k Acura TSX for the family. Or a Lexus IS300, still below $40,000 and nice as hell.

      So with everything, you're actually at:

      $150,000 saved through the IRS. Smart rich people don't pay taxes, you should know that already, right?
      $100,000 saved on the house. Already went over that, and I'm living at the beach.
      I could get 4-5 cars for $50,000 but I digress. I'll give you that one.
      Saved you $90,000 for furniture and vacations for the year. You're working, not taking lavish vacations, remember?
      $50,000 could be considered livable for 2 years. As long as you weren't touching your principal, that money is a wash.

      So in the end, you've actually got almost $400,000 left. If you wanted to mortgage your house for a few years, you'd have even more left. Take a badass vacation? Go for it, drop $10,000 you baller, you.

      I don't buy that you've made $1,000,000. And you're talking out your ass lol I'm looking at houses right now.

      How much is your accountant every year? For the first million? What is your planner doing with the money?

      You do know the truly rich don't want you knowing how loaded they are? So they avoid buying all the crap that gets them attention?

      And you're on here bringing attention to yourself? Those two roles don't fit together, as far as already being rich.
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    • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      "The best thing you can do for the poor is not be one of them." - Jordorules
      Trying to take credit for someone else's quote is plagiarism. That quote you attribute to yourself has always been attributed to the greedy so-called Reverend Ike. (Actually it would not surprise me if he also stole it from someone else.)

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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    If you think $1mm isn't a lot of money then my guess is you're a delusional spoiled kid who just got interested in business and has no idea what he's talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    S, yes that is all true.

    It comes down to a different vision is all. $10,000,000 to $200,000 within 4 blocks? I don't know where you live but not in my hood not even close.

    I do get what your saying though it is a lot of money and nothing to be scoffed at but I'm just saying guys where talking about $1M like once they made that their problems where over for life and many of these guys will have another 30-40 maybe even 50 years to go.

    What happens if your health goes and you need a $100,000 operation?

    A good friend of mine said to me once "If you barely have enough you can't afford it." and man was he ever right.

    There is ALWAYS unforeseen expenses. Mr. Murphy comes calling when you barely have enough.

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Ya Curtis that's it exactly lol. Read my post above I bet I made more on my tiny eBay venture than you have made online to date. I don't know affiliate marketing and that is why I'm hear to learn and make the transition to it.

    How can I help your limiting mindset if you can't?

    You think semi successful business people would think this way that $1M is it? Really?? Really. wow.

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    • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      You think semi successful business people would think this way that $1M is it? Really?? Really. wow.
      Nobody in this thread has said that $1mm is a limit to anyone's success.

      You came in here and started attacking a strawman and when people tell you to stop being so self-absorbed and unrealistic, you act offended.
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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    Read it again. $10,000,000 on the beach. As in surf hitting your front lawn. $200,000 4 blocks from the beach. As in you walk across streets to go surfing. You don't have beaches in Phoenix.

    $100,000 surgery isn't anything with a million in principal, health insurance, and interest bearing accounts paying you every month.
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    • Profile picture of the author Missouri31
      Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

      Read it again. $10,000,000 on the beach. As in surf hitting your front lawn. $200,000 4 blocks from the beach. As in you walk across streets to go surfing. You don't have beaches in Phoenix.

      $100,000 surgery isn't anything with a million in principal, health insurance, and interest bearing accounts paying you every month.
      Exactly. Most max out of pocket health insurance policies for the year are $2,500 - $5,000...so that's what the surgery would cost - not $100,000.

      OP is really off on real estate prices too....I don't know if the OP is serious or trolling....or just dumb.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    It was an exaggeration yes I admit that. Still $1,000,000 home in a nice part of California doesn't go very far.

    What is revealing to me is that many of you on WF aren't doing well at all based on the mindset $1M is the golden ticket so to speak.

    It's the starting point not the ending point is what my point was. I never said it wasn't a lot of money but certainly it's not going to last you a LIFETIME is it?

    One major operation can cost you $100,000 or more. I'm talking about living to 70-80-90 years old.

    No way it's enough to live a great life. For the average poor minded thinker maybe if you budget like crazy and stretch it out but even then some of you are 20-30 years old how far will that go over 50-60 years?

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    S you don't have $1M after the IRS and your home purchase. Man made beaches in Phoenix but sure lets say you live near the water on one of the coasts that tells me no way your getting four blocks near the beach for $200,000 when houses are $10,000,000 on the beach. Maybe forty blocks. J
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Curtis I never attacked anyone. I was SHOCKED that so many Warriors where acting like $1M was a huge amount of money and they would never have to work or worry again!

    As far as offended that's your perception I'm not offended at all. I must admit I'm a little surprised so many of you think I'm being unrealistic.

    Making $1M a year over many years isn't unrealistic at all and especially if you have multiple streams of income.

    Anyway this is not productive. Possibly it was my fault for not clarifying I was referring to making $20M+ via multiple streams of income and not just via IMing although there are many who have done just that.

    Maybe some of you didn't read my post accurately and thought I was talking about making $20M a year via IMing only which although I'm sure some have done it it's not what I said as I did state over and over LIFETIME earnings.

    $1M over a LIFETIME before taxes and your in big trouble if you live a long life and have the odd medical problem here or there with a good medical plan or not.

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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    Jordo, we get what you're trying to say. But we see through you. You're trying to save you've earned a million, but your actions and the way you carry yourself on here speak otherwise.

    That means you're probably a delusional dreamer and people are trying to help you reconnect with reality.

    Hell, I can say you're an underachiever because you only want $20,000,000. You can't even buy a private helicopter and pilot for that. Then stick to it until the end of time. It's not going to get us anywhere, though, is it?

    There's a lot of advice here you could probably learn from.

    Instead you went all Charlie Sheen #winning on people helping you, and got nowhere. Your energy level is good but I think they're right -- I see you easily burning out.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    S, I'm not going to argue with you as you have your mind made up.

    I'm not rich that is the point I don't consider $1M to be rich.

    $1M over a LIFETIME (key word there) is not going to last.

    I guess it's all about life style. You said it yourself you can get 5 cars or $50,000 well to me that's not the lifestyle I want to lead.

    The rich don't pay taxes?? What planet are you on? They reduce their taxes significantly but everyone pays taxes.

    If you think $1M is going to last you for a LIFETIME then that's great I'm not going to argue with you.

    Your entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

    You always have less than you think you will have that is just how money works.

    Good luck with your goals I didn't mean to piss anyone off but if you do the math $1M LIFETIME today before taxes especially if your 20-30 years old isn't going to go very far if you live to 80-90.

    Maybe you where referring to $1M a year in income and that would be vastly different I'll give you.

    The math just doesn't work.

    $100,000 furnishing even an average house gets expensive and I included two nice family vacations and entertainment in that and forget about if you want to do a reno on your home or put in a pool or nice landscaping. The fact you furnish your house for $4,000 is great but well I'm not going to say anything lol. Kind of says it all.

    I'm not the one who began attacking here guys lol. I just made a point that was my own opinion some of you didn't agree with which is fine.

    Like I said no hard feelings here.

    I wish you all the best and hope you attain your goals. If anything I was trying to help you step up your game.

    And whoever said I was a new 12 year old member here is exactly correct. Don't confuse that for me being new to ecommerce. Affiliate Marketing (Internet Marketing) yes I'm new and never tried to imply I wasn't. I'd say eBay is ecommerce though as is Craigslist which I did reasonably well there too.

    Chill guys I'm not trying to attack anyone I'm trying to get you to stretch your ambitions which I clearly unintentionally insulted you.

    Again. $1M over a LIFETIME before taxes assuming you live 50+ years is an ok life if you budget it very carefully but I don't think an OK life is what we are here for is it? Maybe I'm wrong. I know I'm not here for an OK life.

    We'll have to just agree to disagree.

    Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    S your taking it all to personally. Your entitled to your view point. I'm not going to argue it. I'm not here to get you to believe me about my personal finances. $1M after a lot of years grinding hard work in sales and real estate really isn't much at all so I'm not trying to position myself as successful even.

    It's a difference of life style is all. You want to buy 5 cars for $50K and I'm looking at one Z07 Corvette Stingray which is what $70-$80K.

    You don't have to tear down another person because they have different vision of life style than you do.

    We all want different things and maybe it was my error for assuming $1M isn't enough for some people as it may well be so for that I'll own it.

    You see me burning out huh lol that's funny considering you don't even know me. Like I said I'd venture to guess I made more with eBay (just under $100K over 8 years - which is terrible really) than you have made online to date.

    Maybe I'm wrong but I think you need to stop thinking so poor. 5 cars for $50K and a $200K house?

    Who needs 5 cars anyway? I wouldn't but then again I'm not you am I.

    I'm sure your neighbors are going to love your lot with 5 cars jammed onto it because for a $200K home your not going to have much room for parking.

    You surf that's great and that's free. So possibly your more of a do a lot of things for free type than I am. Doesn't make you wrong or me wrong. It's called different goals and vision. Nothing more.

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    btw interest income is 100% taxable. So after inflation your making what? 1%-2% if that? lol. This is kid stuff come on.

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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Jordo, why don't you worry about your own dreams rather than dissing everyone else's?

      In a lot of countries $1M would be more than enough money to live comfortably for a very long time - even after taxes.

      Btw, $50,000 for an "average" car? Seriously? You can buy a brand new BMW for less than that.

      There's nothing wrong with having big goals. But don't condemn others' dreams or aspirations just because they aren't as big as yours. It just makes you look smug and arrogant, which is partly why you've gotten some backlash in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    I'll give you this. You can get houses in South Florida for $50,000 albeit a complete wreck so ya for $200,000 you could have a decent house but again comes back to what lifestyle you want to lead.

    You love to surf. Me I not interested in surfing I'd rather get seasons tickets to the Panthers which I'd assume to be what around $10K a year? I have no idea but can't see it being more than that.

    Anyway we both have some valid points but we are looking to lead different lifestyles and possibly my post was assuming everyone wanted to lead the same lifestyle as me so I'll admit that.

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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      You love to surf. Me I not interested in surfing I'd rather get seasons tickets to the Panthers which I'd assume to be what around $10K a year? I have no idea but can't see it being more than that.
      The cheap seats are only $516 a year, row 1 glass prices at $6,407, the all inclusive club seats (free food, beer, wine and soda) will run you $2,064 to $8,057 a season depending on where you are at. Panthers tickets will not make much of a dent in that mil....



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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    The point is that $10,000,000 isn't going to be enough. Then you'll need $20,000,000. Then what are you going to do when your buddies have $100,000,000?

    Nobody wants a mediocre life. If you're realistic about what you're wanting to do, you'll see the advice we've given you. The way you're going about it in this thread isn't realistic. That's the point we're trying to make.

    There's different ways to get to being "rich". That same Z06 (nice car) can be leased for $1k a month. When you break it, give it back. If you want to mod one, get a C6 and turbo it. I want a 2016 NSX, but I'm not going to pay cash for it.

    You're right about different strokes, different folks. Not everyone needs a $1,000,000 mansion. I'm happy with a $250,000 house with a dock on the Intracoastal and money in the bank. I don't mind swinging and hammer and working on my own house or cars, actually enjoy it. Even if I had $20,000,000 I'd setup trusts for my family to live off of. The furniture I have in my house is nice, comfortable, and it fits my lifestyle perfectly.

    I don't need a $10,000 living room set when a $2,000 one works and feels just as nice. I'm not above buying second hand, either. Guys like you are good for deals. Btw, when you want to sell your Corvette, lemme know. ;D Not much of a Chevy guy, but a turbo V8 can get any car guy interested.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Well this was a good debate anyway lol.

    If I insulted any one that was not my intention at all and I still don't see how my original post would have done that but I guess people read into things differently.

    Thanks for the comments and keeping me honest.

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    S, your basically saying "how much is enough" and I get that. It never stops. What about the my buddy who has $100M when he meets a friend who is worth $200M. When do you draw the line. I'm not trying to make the point for greed but I am trying to make the point that $1M LIFETIME before taxes before house purchase and all the other nice things we want in our life and ESPECIALLY should you live longer such as 80 or 90 and God forbid you have medical issues which I have had myself then you are going to have to really really stretch out that money.

    Anyway I've enjoyed our debate here but I think we are both climbing up two different sides of the same tree.

    Lets just agree to disagree and part as friends.

    I wish you the best.

    You surf is South Florida? You must be insane is how I view it (Tiger Sharks or worse Great-White Sharks) yet to you it's part of the territory. Difference of belief systems is all. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong.

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Cali, fair enough. I can accept that. Honestly I didn't mean for it to come off like that but I guess now that you put in that way I can see your point of view and how others took it.

    My apologies Warriors I didn't mean to come off as a jerk. I guess I just got a little carried away. Anyway I'm owning it so I hope you don't hang me for it.

    Sometimes we can't see the things we do to hurt others at first.

    I hope you accept my apologies. Last thing I wanted to do was insult anyone. Now I feel like a real dick.

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Thanks ForumGuru wow that's really cheap.

    Anyway guys thanks for setting me straight I see your point of view and how I came off like a dick.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    I get the point you're trying to make and agree for the most part. However, I'm certainly not going to LMAO if $1,000,000 is someone else's ambition/goal. Even if it's a lifetime target for them. To each their own.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      btw interest income is 100% taxable. So after inflation your making what? 1%-2% if that? lol. This is kid stuff come on.

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      It is, but at a much lower rate. 1%, 2%... it depends on your investment. If you're investing to generate income instead of growth then you should be between 3-5% not including any growth you have. Anyway, 5% of 1M is still 50k.

      I understand your initial point.

      I see it in a different way though... I think if you're looking directly at money or setting goals based on an amount of money, you're doing it wrong. Your goals should be action based and the money will follow...usually lol.

      A LOT of businesses will gross over 1M/year, pretty easily. Chances are everyone here has some of those businesses within 1 mile of their home. It's not much of a feat... You can have a 10M/year business and still be struggling.

      Online though, people struggle to make a single dollar. I think making money online is much harder than doing it offline.

      One million, is just a 50k/year job for 20 years.

      I think people get caught up in the wanna be lifestyle, way too much. Do you really need to spend a lot of money on a house? No.. 50K on a car? Why?

      You want to become wealthy? It's not only about how much you make, but more importantly how you spend your money.

      People seem to think that being rich allows you to have spending power. The rich have saving power. It's a big difference.
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        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        50K on a car? Why?
        For the very reason they make $50k, $100k, $200K and $1m cars. Because some people enjoy the absolute finest things in life.

        It may not be your cup of tea, and it's certainly not something I would spend my money on, but everyone has the right to spend their money as they see fit.

        Companies build them because people want them and people want them because companies build them. That is the yin and yang of life.

        If I had a cool $2m to blow, I might pick up one of these. I love art.



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        P.S. You would probably think me wasteful for owning a $50k BMW convertible, while 'J' would think I'm a loser because I didn't get a 7 series. Neither of you stopped to think that I got the car that I wanted, for me. That shouldn't matter to either of you at all. If you are going to judge people by their car, all I can say is - actually - I have no idea what to say and that doesn't happen very often. lol At least I paid cash. :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          For the very reason they make $50k, $100k, $200K and $1m cars. Because some people enjoy the absolute finest things in life.

          It may not be your cup of tea, and it's certainly not something I would spend my money on, but everyone has the right to spend their money as they see fit.

          Companies build them because people want them and people want them because companies build them. That is the yin and yang of life.

          If I had a cool $2m to blow, I might pick up one of these. I love art.

          Cheers. - Frank

          P.S. You would probably think me wasteful for owning a $50k BMW convertible, while 'J' would think I'm a loser because I didn't get a 7 series. Neither of you stopped to think that I got the car that I wanted, for me. That shouldn't matter to either of you at all. If you are going to judge people by their car, all I can say is - actually - I have no idea what to say and that doesn't happen very often. lol At least I paid cash. :-)
          Frank,

          I understand, I know why companies make them, and I don't think it's wasteful for you to buy one.

          I assume you're living a lifestyle appropriate with your income level, nothing wrong with that at all. However, if you were making less money, not paying in cash, I would also assume you would have chose a cheaper option.

          The point wasn't really about spending 50k on a car lol, the point was that if you're trying to live off a certain amount of money, you make appropriate choices!

          Me, personally, I enjoy some finer things in life, hell, I spend more money on my pets food than most people spend on themselves. LOL. Honestly though, I'm just not into most material things or "finer things", I have different goals, but I don't judge anyone on what they want to spend money on.

          Doesn't bother me one bit... The only wasteful spending I think about is the massive amount of taxes I pay. That one bothers me. lol.
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            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            Frank, I understand, I know why companies make them, and I don't think it's wasteful for you to buy one.
            Honestly, I haven't enjoyed anything as much since my 1968 Triumph Bonnevile that I bought as soon as I got home from Vietnam,
            I assume you're living a lifestyle appropriate with your income level, nothing wrong with that at all. However, if you were making less money, not paying in cash, I would also assume you would have chose a cheaper option.
            Well, I drove my little PT Cruiser for 14 years because I could never justify spending any more than that on a car. My average over those 14 years was 88 miles per week. I drive to the supermarket and the VA. That was it. Then, as I started seeing all of my lifelong friends dropping like flies, I figured why should I not have the car I want, regardless of how often I drive and how many miles I put on it? Now I drive down the shore 2 or 3 times per week, just to have lunch and to enjoy the drive. I was going to spend $100k on the BMW Z4, but I knew that was just plain foolish and I would have spent money that I have earmarked for the SPCA when I die. I would have never been able to buy that car and look my dog in the eye without feeling a sense of shame. I'm more than happy with my choice of car and I'm putting around 450 miles per week on it. I have yet to drive it with the top, up. I did keep the Cruiser for when I have to schlep the dog to the vet or the groomer or when it rains. I plan to store it for the winter and drive the cruiser until spring. But I mean it, I truly love that car. Best thing I have done for myself in years, especially since I spent half the price of the car on new computers, audio/video and broadcasting equipment, right before I bought it.
            The point wasn't really about spending 50k on a car lol, the point was that if you're trying to live off a certain amount of money, you make appropriate choices!
            Absolutely, and here's something you may not understand, because I sure don't. The less money I had, the more I spent. Maxing out credit cards was never an issue. It just forced me to work harder to pay them off. Now that I am secure financially and have no cc dept, I loathe spending money. I was going to spend a ton on a new fence - I passed. New furniture - nope. Rugs - forget about it. Vacation - total fantasy. I love being at home, too much. Yes, I did spend a small fortune on my gear, but that is an addiction and besides, that is what I use to make my money, so it pays for itself. Not a big deal. I do feel guilty at one level as now I feel as if I am just 'collecting' money - as in collecting stamps or baseball cards. I want to spend it, but I can't find anything to spend it on, that I can justify. I even thought about getting a giant pontoon boat for the lake, but that's when you know you are totally insane. Who knows. Depending on how many more of my friends die by the time next spring arrives, maybe I'll get that Z4. If nothing else I could be buried in it. :-)
            Me, personally, I enjoy some finer things in life, hell, I spend more money on my pets food than most people spend on themselves. LOL.
            Nothing - I say again, absolutely nothing comes before my dog. I would eat gruel before I would give her anything less than the best. lol
            Honestly though, I'm just not into most material things or "finer things", I have different goals, but I don't judge anyone on what they want to spend money on.
            I'm an old man. I have worked since I was 8 years old. I have served my country honorably, successfully raised my son and trained many people to make a great living. I'm entitled to anything I want in life without any apologies to anyone - even my dog. You only live once, I don't believe in the hereafter. I want mine, now. I just don't want that much, is all. I have pretty much bought everything I want in life, although I am eying a $25k TV broadcasting system, just because I have always wanted to have a TV show. Probably going to do that, soon.
            Doesn't bother me one bit... The only wasteful spending I think about is the massive amount of taxes I pay. That one bothers me. lol.
            I'm very fortunate. When I purchased my lakeside home, I was only able to do so without mortgage worries due to the fact that in NJ, totally-disabled veterans are exempt from having to pay real estate taxes. The taxes on my home would have been totally unaffordable when I purchased it, almost 20 years ago. Without the taxes, my mortgage is peanuts.

            Yes, I know very well how lucky I am, but I maintain that I have created most of my good fortune for myself. The trade-off in not paying taxes was living with profound PTSD and Agent Orange poisoning for the past 50 years.

            Everything in life is a trade-off. Like I said, yin and yang.

            Cheers. - Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              Absolutely, and here's something you may not understand, because I sure don't. The less money I had, the more I spent. Maxing out credit cards was never an issue. It just forced me to work harder to pay them off. Now that I am secure financially and have no cc dept, I loathe spending money. I was going to spend a ton on a new fence - I passed. New furniture - nope. Rugs - forget about it. Vacation - total fantasy.

              Everything in life is a trade-off. Like I said, yin and yang.

              Cheers. - Frank
              Quoted for truth. I think that's the best way to sum up the lesson I was trying to get across.

              I made and lost a half million with niche sites over 4 years. After I went broke, I went $70,000 into debt in about 12 months. It took me 2 years to climb out, and now I really just don't like spending money on "stuff".

              Quite Frankly (no pun intended) I'm scared shitless of spending money and finding myself in the same boat again.
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                Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post


                I made and lost a half million with niche sites over 4 years. After I went broke, I went $70,000 into debt in about 12 months. It took me 2 years to climb out, and now I really just don't like spending money on "stuff".
                How is this possible?
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    • Profile picture of the author Eagle07
      Nice posts from what I have read. As for me, hitting the 1M $ in profits is just one of my goals and I am not stopping there. It would just be a pause to take a longer vacation and celebrate the achievement then continue creating more and giving more blessings to others. I knew how happy I am reaching that $1,000,000 profits after expenses and taxes...
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Yes Lance I agree and thought about it and I could have worded it a little better and left off the LMAO. I f**ked up. I was just trying to help but I guess it back fired on me lol. My first WF ass kicking which was humbling. I guess I got carried away and caught up in it all. Didn't mean any disrespect at all. Thanks for seeing the positive side of the point I was trying to make. J
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasLloyd
    $1 million somehow seems to have become a benchmark of successful online marketers! But as you said, that is not significantly high amount at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    ThomasLloyd,

    That is all I was trying to say but it came out all wrong. As they say it's not what you say it's how you say it and for that I accept responsibility.

    As far as $40K a year with four kids that seems like it would be extremely hard to do. The cost of one kid is ridiculously expensive these days. As I said before though it's all about budgeting and stretching your money.

    Some people are better at that than others.

    J
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  • Profile picture of the author thejfoster42
    This seems like a really unhealthy mindset.

    I'm still really new, and I know I will be over the moon happy the moment I make just $100 with this because it's what I enjoy doing and I look forward to seeing results.

    Would I mind making $20,000,000? Heck no. But do I set that as my goal when I haven't really made much of anything yet? Nope. I feel like if I shoot for a goal like that I am just setting myself up to fail and to not be content with anything ever, and that's a terrible way to live.

    Nothing is 'peanuts' if you have worked hard for it and you enjoy doing it, I don't care if I'm making $20 or $20,000,000. If I get to do what I love on my own terms, I call that a win.
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  • Profile picture of the author DRP
    Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

    You can't even buy a decent home these days for a $1,000,000.

    What about your basic cost of living, cars, travel, furniture, entertainment, family, etc., etc.

    To be honest if I was in this to only have a goal to make $1,000,000 I'd be seriously depressed.
    1. Not true.
    2. Live within your means.
    3. Read below...

    Considering how the vast majority of Americans (never mind the rest of the world) live off an annual income of LESS THAN $40,000/year...I'd say you're pretty naive.

    If we did a polygraph study on IM and got a sizable population (of Americans mind you, never mind the rest of the world) to sample (at least 1,000 if not more), I'd bet my personal aircraft (Cessna 172) that over 90% of the individuals tested would have made less than $10,000 over the course of their IM "career"...not even close.

    So your figure of $1,000,000 is foolishly naive, considering the REALITY of the world.

    Not to sound mean or callous...but it is. I'm too lazy to site studies right now, but the vast majority of people will never EVER earn anywhere close to 1,000,000. In America...or otherwise...it's simply not the reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author thejfoster42
    Just another quick thought, there's a big difference between being content with $1,000,000 and being complacent having made $1,000,000.

    Contentment is being happy with what you have and not needing more to be satisfied with your life.

    Complacency is thinking you've totally made it and it's 'good enough.'

    I'm fully content and happy with my sub-$1million income, but that doesn't mean I'm complacent and am just going to stop reaching out to achieve more.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Nameless, yes I agree the rich don't so much save as they do invest their savings. Many people save and don't invest and lose out to inflation and lost opportunity cost. I agree 100% with you it's about the activity and actions you take and the money will follow.

    I think my point was a little bit misunderstood probably because of how I worded it. I was merely saying that $1M in todays world really doesn't go that far. Especially with the evil IRS lurking with their hand out and the expensive costs of even an average home ($200K to $300K).

    Believe me I'm not about just chasing money without any of the proper steps needed to get there. Some people I think mistook me for dreaming up a large figure without thinking the work has to come first.

    This one is for you Frank as I know you love to bug me about quotes.

    "The only time play comes before work is in the dictionary." - Tom Hopkins, Sales Legend

    I'm was just trying to get people to expand their viewpoint and maybe take a second look. $1M sounds like a lot and in some contexts it is a lot but not when you consider it's before taxes, before house, before car/furniture/family expenses/living expenses, and emergency funds like medical especially in the good old USA. That is of course talking about it over a life time and for those of us fortunate (or unfortunate depending on how you look at it I guess) that live to 80-90 years old ... well I think it needs to be re-assessed lets leave it at that.

    Again I admit I got in the way of my message as by coming off like a jerk people where not able to hear my positive point of the message that I was trying to make.

    They say 1 child raise to 18 years old alone costs $300K which I don't know how accurate this is I've just heard it as a study but it seems reasonable to me. Have 3 children and there is $1M right there.

    I don't know if there is a thread on WF or not regarding helping members learn how they can safely and rightfully write off EVERYTHING they can. But remember guys it's YOUR RIGHT and YOUR OBLIGATION to pay as little tax as humanly possible. That said remember how they go Al Capone lol.

    The advice I received was ALWAYS hire a great accountant with an excellent reputation as the IRS will be less inclined to mess with you knowing you have professional representation.

    I see the $50K car thing comes up a lot and to that I'll just say we all have different tastes. Sure you can get a brand new BMW for under $50K but it won't be a 7 series. It's all relative.

    Anyway I salute you all for being here and striving to improving yours and your families lives. That is what WARRIORS are made of.

    I guess in my own way I think very highly of those putting it all on the line to achieve more and I was trying to make a point that YOUR WORTH EVEN MORE THAN $1M albeit the way I came across ... The messenger got in the way of the message.

    Respectfully,

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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    42, thanks for the post. Yes I agree with you making your first $100 online is every exciting but I've already made that and am trying to get to the next level.

    DRP I respectfully disagree. Every wealthy mentor I have ever come across doesn't ever even consider what the average income earners do. Well not true. They do consider it only briefly enough to make sure they go in the opposite direction.

    I agree I should have communicated it more positively but I still stand behind my belief that I'm worth a lot more that $1M LIFETIME. The fact that all of you are here on WF and driving to become wealthy says to me that you are all worth more than $1M LIFETIME as well.

    Now those of you quoting national averages and so forth I would suggest to do some inner reflection on your own belief systems. If your happy with them fine that's great but I think your worth more than you think you are. If you hate me for saying that well I guess I can live with that. But how many people go about their daily lives in a dead end job and never try to achieve more. It's like Tony Robbins says you are that elite % who are doing something about it. And for that alone I feel you are worth A LOT more that $1M LIFETIME income.

    It's not that I'm trying to put down anyone's dreams or goals that is the wrong way to look at it. It's merely that I have so much respect for those that do believe in themselves enough to not just accept what their job says they are worth and do something about it. Taking action as Tony Robbins says. Most don't even try.

    Anyway as said earlier I stand behind my point but my message could have been delivered with more tactfulness.

    Some people are happy making $100K LIFETIME. It's all relative. I'm not going to let anyone tell me I'm being unrealistic because they have different goals though that's for sure.

    Ecommerce is the wider spectrum and within that there are various ways to earn. I'm not new to ecommerce but I'm brand new at IMing (Affiliate Programs) and have only made $40 to date via that channel. I'm glad panda destroyed my eBay business as now I'm moving on to greener pastures.

    Let nobody out work you is probably the best advice I've heard.

    J
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Janice, your knit picking. I thought it would be funny to quote it myself is all and heard it from my Father. I never thought I invented it and not like I'm trying to make money from it. I have no idea where it originally came from and neither do I care and I'm certainly not going to waste valuable income producing activity time to find out. I'm sure if you go back far enough EVERY quote would be from someone else even those we think come from the famous sources we think they came from 'originally'. Requoting people is fine and in fact necessary as long as your not holding out that you came up with it yourself. Tom Hopkins quote above is originally from his mentor J. Douglas Edwards which I'm sure Mr. Edwards got it from his mentor. Tony Robbins quotes come from Jim Rohn who again I'm sure is quoting his own mentors. "That's plagiarism" comes off like the hall monitor at school tattling on the kids that left the classroom lol.

    BigFrank well said and that is all I was trying to say as well.

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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      I'm certainly not going to waste valuable income producing activity time to find out. J
      Is that what you consider your postings to be? All the time you are spending having this meaningless argument is time you could be spending building your IM business. How has this helped your business in any way?

      Just sayin, is all.

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author jordorules
    Frank your absolutely correct. Funny but I was just thinking that.

    Good luck to you all I'm going to get back to work. Thanks for smacking me upside the head.

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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      Frank your absolutely correct. Funny but I was just thinking that.
      This is where I would normally say, "Great minds think alike," but in this case . . . . . .

      Cheers. - Frank
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      Originally Posted by jordorules View Post

      Frank your absolutely correct. Funny but I was just thinking that.

      Good luck to you all I'm going to get back to work. Thanks for smacking me upside the head.

      J
      What, you still do the work? Yourself?
      It's not your money or other people that work for you, it's you, yourself?
      Ahh, I am so sorry for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christofort
    Hey dude

    I guess there is no point to this post

    Of course getting 1 million dollar ONCE in your life it's a bit short , but man cmon !

    Im earning around 120K us / Year with my job , and Ive an average-up house , average-up car , go on vacation with my family ,a woman I love , I go to the restaurant , entertainement with friends etc... And I will get 1 million dollar every 10 years..and so what ?

    Considering this :

    Global Rich List

    99.93% of popular is poorer than me , and Im the 4,267,335th richest person on earth by income.

    So yes , I will only achieve 1 million dollar every 10 years , but Im enough rich so much
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  • Profile picture of the author TobiasThomsen
    Buy a decent home for $1m? Where do you live?
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by TobiasThomsen View Post

      Buy a decent home for $1m? Where do you live?
      This would apply to Hong Kong. I can't live on $40,000 raising 2 kids there either, that is even not having to pay rent.
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  • Profile picture of the author magdag4321
    i wont be surprised if the op of this thread doesnt have 10k to his name....wont shock me at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    450 sites. $150k a year isn't shit lol -- we left so much money on the table it still makes me sick.

    $1 per day, per site, all Adsense -- that was our goal. We had many, many more than bought in 100+ a day on their own. It was the time of BANS and Vic (whatever his name was) promoting the strategy.

    Build, scale, keep your winners, flip the rest, repeat. It was a well oiled machine with 22 Filipinos keeping it moving.

    $70,000 in debt? Trying to save a sinking ship, start up an insurance business, and staving off the last of the "rock star" lifestyle I was trying to live.

    That model depended on exact match domains and Google not knowing how to handle brand names. It doesn't work anymore lol ;/

    EMDs and PMDs are OK, but over-optimizing is way too easy, and the "new site randomness" makes it too hard to reliably pull the trigger on that many sites these days.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

      450 sites. $100k a year isn't shit lol -- we left so much money on the table it still makes me sick.

      Think about it. $1 per day, per site. That was our goal. We had many, many more than bought in 100+ a day on their own.

      It was a well oiled machine with 22 Filipinos keeping it moving.

      $70,000 in debt? Trying to save a failing ship, start up an insurance business, and staving off the last of the "rock star" lifestyle I was trying to live.
      So you learned that fast money leads to fast failure?
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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    I wouldn't necessarily call it fast money lol. I get what you're trying to say, but I put in 80 hours a week and had 22 outsourcers busting their hump to keep me happy -- and their paychecks rolling in.

    I learned to milk the cow while you've got it -- that ******* may drop over dead one day.

    And to save some of the money. I don't have jack to show for those 4 years, now. Except a few bumps and bruises.

    I know now it isn't a legit business, but it's a fun way to rake it in while you can.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

      I wouldn't necessarily call it fast money lol. I get what you're trying to say, but I put in 80 hours a week and had 22 outsourcers busting their hump to keep me happy -- and their paychecks rolling in.

      I learned to milk the cow while you've got it -- that ******* may drop over dead one day.

      And to save some of the money. I don't have jack to show for those 4 years, now. Except a few bumps and bruises.

      I know now it isn't a legit business, but it's a fun way to rake it in while you can.
      How did you climb out of business failure in 2 years and start another one.

      Was it mindset? Like "im not going to give up"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    There was no way to give up, short of suicide. My daughter was involved, and my ex wife was a nut job, so I had to get her out of there. I've focused on making sure her future is better than my past, so I just chipped away at it, day after day. Thinking back about it now, the money never really was my focus.

    I knew I had to stay busy to keep from going nuts, and to get back on my feet -- whatever far off goal that actually meant. I knew my situation sucked, and it wasn't always that way.

    It really didn't matter that I was depressed, wondering how it was going to change. I just woke up every day and made sure I could go to sleep at night without feeling even shittier about not getting anything productive done for the day.

    I knew that I wasn't in my situation for a lack of trying, because I busted my ass every waking moment. I sold my soul delivering pizzas, writing for clients, unloading semis, building houses, fixing cars, you name it.

    Whatever paid cash and could keep me busy while I didn't have my daughter. I moved back into my mom's house to get my stuff back together. There have been a few people in those 2 years that really made a big impact on my forward momentum.

    I made a lot of money selling insurance before I realized what I was doing -- ripping off senior citizens with policies that weren't going to pay. That's why I got out of the business. I had numerous $3,000+ days, and made $7,200 my best day. That helped pay off a lot of the debt, but then I owed the insurance companies another $10,000 when I left.

    I started swinging a hammer for 8 months. That was the biggest uptick for me in terms of attitude, being around guys that didn't give a damn. The guy that I worked for ran out of jobs after a big hotel remodel and helped me pick off one of the bigger credit cards I had as a farewell. Forever fxckin grateful for that man.

    I'm not too ashamed to admit it, there were countless nights I just wanted to get a bottle and sulk. I'd spend all night tears just coming out, couldn't control it, wondering why I was such a failure and what the universe had intended for me. Everything I was trying to do right seemed to be a guaranteed way to set myself 2 steps further behind.

    Having some good people around me who knew what I was capable of made all the difference. They'd see me stressed the hell out, knowing I just needed to stop banging my head against the wall for a few days, then get back at it. Those breaks are when I made the most headway.

    There were just no safety nets. That goes back to my personality. Relying on other people eats away at my soul, and I pretty much refuse to ask for help of any kind. If there's any time or situation in my life where someone can have control over me, it's instantly cut. I'm a weird creature like that -- the whole "control" thing.

    My mom letting me live with her opened my world so I didn't have to work so damn hard, but it was the only safety net I relied on. I can't hold down a standard job to save my soul. I absolutely had to do it, or I was going to be another leech, draining the system with a child that I can't afford. I'd rather die than let her down like that.

    I cut my bills back to 1 car payment, insurance, and cell phone. My ex wanted it all, she got it. Once I finally got on top of the debt, I started seeing results from a lot of the shit I'd thrown against the wall over the last year. I ran with the few successes I'd actually had, no matter how small. Any avenue that would lead me to more money than I had at the time as long as nobody was getting hurt in the process.

    Now, things have finally started looking forward. I'm still not where I want to be but I'm 31 years old, and when I left my ex I told her I'm just hitting my stride. It's only been the last 2-3 months I've actually started believing that myself.

    To sum it up, I'm just a glutton for punishment. Every time the world beat me down I cried, then laughed, asked if that was all she had, and fought back. Getting back what I had, making sure my daughter's future was secure, and pissing off my ex were the driving forces.

    I got a taste of something that I've wanted my whole life -- to get paid the most, for doing the least -- and knew I needed to get it again and get it right this time. My daughter's future, and to be honest my own sanity so I can have some fun in life, depended on it. I refused to be a failure.

    I'm relying on client work, a hand full of niche sites, list building, and blogging. Once I'm making more from the niche sites and blogs I want to get back to getting a system in place. I'm going to ween off client work or figure out how I can sell the book off to someone else. Now I'm trading time for ad spend.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinJennings
    I think when they are informing they have made a million, they strictly are referring to the fact that they have achieved much more than a typical marketer has, obviously a million doesn't give you an ideal lifestyle, in NYC, a million wouldn't even have anyone flinch, haha
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  • Profile picture of the author roytee68
    Living in Thailand, I think I could scrape by with a million Dollars.....
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      Originally Posted by roytee68 View Post

      Living in Thailand, I think I could scrape by with a million Dollars.....
      or 20cents
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Just another BS'er who purchased an aged WF account....It happens all the time...

    No posts from 2003 to 2015, then 170 odd in 2 weeks?
    It's when people start talking Millions like it's no big deal when i turn the page...
    Hope you didn't pay too much for your WF account...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Moore
    lol at this post. I understand the point but it's just nonsense
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  • Profile picture of the author CpvTrafficPro
    I looked over a lot of your other post, and my guess is by all the type of questions you asked that you haven't earned anywhere near 1 million. Hell I'd argue that you've never made 1k using online techniques.

    That being said, I would suggest stop reading about shiny miracle objects and just bring in some money.

    Welcome to the real world
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    The problem with aiming too big is that sometimes the fine line between REALISTIC HOPE and WISHFUL THINKING can be blurred too easily.

    This is a big deal because it impacts your level of passion and drive.

    Skepticism, self-doubt, and negativity all too often creep in at that point.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Something very strange happens here.

      This thread - with crap (yes, it is) about how many millions you need - is rapidly approaching 100 replies.


      In the thread linked below - a member gives a detailed step by step of how he created a solid income...he's been answering questions, etc. THAT thread has only about 12-13 responses.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...affiliate.html
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Something very strange happens here.

        This thread - with crap (yes, it is) about how many millions you need - is rapidly approaching 100 replies.


        In the thread linked below - a member gives a detailed step by step of how he created a solid income...he's been answering questions, etc. THAT thread has only about 12-13 responses.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...affiliate.html
        The other post shows actual steps - like actual work, and is more realistic. Most people in here just want the fast money without actually working for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Something very strange happens here.
        Indeed. But the title of this thread and the tone of the OP made it a crap storm. Well, that and the number of people stopping by to comment on the OP without reading through the conversation. As for the number of replies, lots of people looking to debate ideology I guess.

        As for the other thread you mention...personally, I'm not interested. But good for them. And you're right, that's the kind of thread that deserves more attention here in the main forum. Not this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    What a ridiculous thread.

    Congratulations, you got a bunch of people riled up over a stupid hypothesis that applies to nobody.

    Meanwhile, I kept my head down and worked hard today. What did you accomplish? I'll bet I got a lot closer to $1 million (or $20 million or $1 trillion, for that matter) than you did while you were busy batting off emotional responses.
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  • Profile picture of the author FreedomBlogger
    Well said man!!

    There is definitely HUGE potential for HUGE earnings in this industry. And 1 mill is just a STARTING POINT.

    Once you are at that level - you should start to get very smart with money and learn real business. Invest in assets, leverage money, create, expand, innovate. And just get super wealthy!

    We must shoot for the stars ... and even if we only land on the moon ... it is still all good! .. right?! haha

    I think setting a goal to earn 1,000,000 is alright. As long as that is just the first goal. And the second goals should be 5 times that or more!

    Always think big. But also play the game very smart!

    There are no limits here. Only the ones you put to yourself!

    Great topic!
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    • Profile picture of the author jordorules
      Originally Posted by FreedomBlogger View Post

      Well said man!!

      There is definitely HUGE potential for HUGE earnings in this industry. And 1 mill is just a STARTING POINT.

      Once you are at that level - you should start to get very smart with money and learn real business. Invest in assets, leverage money, create, expand, innovate. And just get super wealthy!

      We must shoot for the stars ... and even if we only land on the moon ... it is still all good! .. right?! haha

      I think setting a goal to earn 1,000,000 is alright. As long as that is just the first goal. And the second goals should be 5 times that or more!

      Always think big. But also play the game very smart!

      There are no limits here. Only the ones you put to yourself!

      Great topic!
      Thanks well I thought so but apparently others didn't. I think it was the delivery. The point was completely missed by some people here. Think Big is all I was trying to say and in today's day and age $1,000,000 over a life time is really not much security at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
    Yo! Jordo! Thank you for having the intestinal fortitude to make your post.

    And folks, what Jordo says is absolutely true.

    Ah look. I've been stupid rich and dirt poor, and I never put a cap on either one. As a matter of fact, hitting near the bottom of poverty provides an excellent teaching ground for growing rich sensibly.

    Hell, I didn't start to make any real money (offline) until I stopped worrying about making money, period.

    If you focus on tweaking your game plan until it works and move on to the next game plan project, the money takes care of itself. You learn more in the next project and come back to tweak the first one accordingly.

    THERE IS ONLY ONE GAME PLAN - the method you are going to use to make money. Step and repeat, tweak and repeat. That's it.

    People make millions and millions of dollars online. Always have, always will. There is absolutely no cap to the amount of money you can make at any given time. The only cap is the one you place on yourself.

    As for the value of $1,000,000, do the math. Most of you are thinking in terms of gross income, not net net. Trust me, net net on $1M won't get you far in today's world, either corporately or personally.

    - Annie
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    • Profile picture of the author jordorules
      Originally Posted by TheGMa View Post

      Yo! Jordo! Thank you for having the intestinal fortitude to make your post.

      And folks, what Jordo says is absolutely true.

      Ah look. I've been stupid rich and dirt poor, and I never put a cap on either one. As a matter of fact, hitting near the bottom of poverty provides an excellent teaching ground for growing rich sensibly.

      Hell, I didn't start to make any real money (offline) until I stopped worrying about making money, period.

      If you focus on tweaking your game plan until it works and move on to the next game plan project, the money takes care of itself. You learn more in the next project and come back to tweak the first one accordingly.

      THERE IS ONLY ONE GAME PLAN - the method you are going to use to make money. Step and repeat, tweak and repeat. That's it.

      People make millions and millions of dollars online. Always have, always will. There is absolutely no cap to the amount of money you can make at any given time. The only cap is the one you place on yourself.

      As for the value of $1,000,000, do the math. Most of you are thinking in terms of gross income, not net net. Trust me, net net on $1M won't get you far in today's world, either corporately or personally.

      - Annie
      Thanks Annie, and yes $1,000,000 after taxes life time income is simply not enough even for a single person let a lone for a family. Maybe I got so much flack for bringing it up because it scares people and they realize that it's completely true they will need significantly more than $1,000,000 gross life time income. I appreciate the support of all the Big Thinkers! J
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert X
    Can someone please help me?

    I live is San Diego and our home average is around $450K. (Since you mentioned houses so many times) And I saw someone mention season tickets. The Chargers suck and are moving to L. A. so no worries about paying for those tickets. But, sheesh, the house and gas prices,, I think I need at least 10 Million just to get by.

    However, I have a solution to this whole discussion. I plan to make $100K, and move to a 3rd world country where that is equal to $10MM or there abouts.

    So, can anyone recommend a good 3rd world country where I can live like a king with my 100K?

    Thanks everyone,and feel free to copy my plan.

    Robert C.
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      Originally Posted by Robert X View Post

      However, I have a solution to this whole discussion. I plan to make $100K, and move to a 3rd world country where that is equal to $10MM or there abouts.

      So, can anyone recommend a good 3rd world country where I can live like a king with my 100K?
      Virgin Islands and certain areas in the Philippines.

      Welcome to off topic.

      I'm saving up to go global touring. Need some more airmiles first.
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  • Profile picture of the author suneyara
    What will be step to step guide for this 10,000,000 strategy !
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