Monica Lewinsky Speaks Out Against Cyber Bullying After A Decade Of Silence

Lance K

9 years ago

Cyber bullies do suck and all, but maybe don't screw the POTUS.

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9 years ago

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Cali16

9 years ago

And the cyber-bullying continues nearly 20 years later... SMH

I highly recommend watching the video. It might give you guys a different perspective. She made a mistake. She's owned it. I commend her for speaking out against this type of bullying (or any bullying and shaming, for that matter). She certainly didn't deserve the condemnation of millions of people that's gone on ever since.

As for the quote about the kneepads - maybe she said it, maybe she didn't. Who knows? The quote did come from one of her former high school teachers - a married man who had an affair with her when she was only 19. Not sure he was really in a position to judge her actions...

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Lance K

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

And the cyber-bullying continues nearly 20 years later... SMH

I highly recommend watching the video. It might give you guys a different perspective. She made a mistake. She's owned it. I commend her for speaking out against this type of bullying (or any bullying and shaming, for that matter). She certainly didn't deserve the condemnation of millions of people that's gone on ever since.

As for the quote about the kneepads - maybe she said it, maybe she didn't. Who knows? The quote did come from one of her former high school teachers - a married man who had an affair with her when she was only 19. Not sure he was really in a position to judge her actions...

Not bullying. Not going to watch the video either. She made a mistake. She owned it. Good for her. I don't have much time for her.

There are so many better options for speakers for an anti-bullying message.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

Not bullying. Not going to watch the video either. She made a mistake. She owned it. Good for her. I don't have much time for her.

There are so many better options for speakers for an anti-bullying message.

Just curious ... how would you know there are "so many better options" if you didn't listen to her message? She got a standing ovation. I was impressed.

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Lance K

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Just curious ... how would you know there are "so many better options" if you didn't listen to her message?

Let me answer your question with a question. Why do we even know who she is?

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

Let me answer your question with a question. Why do we even know who she is?

Since you chose not to answer my question, I'll answer your question with a question: What does it matter why we know who she is? Is it because it's more convenient to remember her for her youthful mistakes rather than listen to her message and perhaps have to adjust your viewpoint?

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Lance K

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Since you chose not to answer my question, I'll answer your question with a question: What does it matter why we know who she is? Is it because it's more convenient to remember her for her youthful mistakes rather than listen to her message and perhaps have to adjust your viewpoint?

It matters (to me), because without why we know who she is, there wouldn't have been the bullying. I'd rather hear from victims who had no hand in bringing it on themselves.

I don't feel like I need to adjust my viewpoint. I think cyber bullying sucks. I don't think anyone deserves it. But I don't care to hear about it from someone who is known because she had a relationship with another woman's famous husband. Even if it was a youthful mistake.

If that means I have to miss out on what may very well be a great video, then so be it. There are plenty of great videos out there.

That said, I'm glad she's (evidently) overcoming it. I'm glad she had her parents there for support & feel for them. I can't imagine having a kid go through something like that.

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Cali16

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

There are so many better options for speakers for an anti-bullying message.

Really? Who? She's probably been bullied on a far larger scale - and for a much longer time - than just about any other person on the planet. I think she's an ideal spokesperson for this issue.

I couldn't imagine going through the severe degree of public shaming she received, and especially for such a long period of time.

Her speech was excellent, and I applaud her for rising above something that would have led many (and has sadly led many, as she mentioned) to suicide. Yet she is now turning it into something good. I suspect that was a very difficult speech for her to give, yet she handled it with incredible grace. I admire her for that and hope she continues to speak out.

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Lance K

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

Really? Who? She's probably been bullied on a far larger scale - and for a much longer time - than just about any other person on the planet. I think she's an ideal spokesperson for this issue.

I couldn't imagine going through the severe degree of public shaming she received, and especially for such a long period of time.

Her speech was excellent, and I applaud her for rising above something that would have led many (and has sadly led many, as she mentioned) to suicide. Yet she is now turning it into something good. I suspect that was a very difficult speech for her to give, yet she handled it with incredible grace. I admire her for that and hope she continues to speak out.

I'm sure she has. And I have no problem with you or anyone else applauding her speech. It's just not for me.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

That was a powerful speech. Kudos to her for moving forward in a positive manner.

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thunderbird

9 years ago

I've deleted my comment. She made a mistake, but she did enter into an era when missteps get magnified millionfold. Most us of have made mistakes but they, thankfully, largely dissipate into oblivion and weren't the subject of public scrutiny to begin with. Also, it is clear she was an unfair target of brazen double standards.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Had Monica L focused on doing something other than focusing on someone else's husband and toying with social media, she may not have felt so bullied. I don't have any interest in her or her message. As far as I'm concerned, discussions of her "mistake" are just further attempts by her to be somebody in the media ... somebody that people talk about and recognize. She wanted fame. She got fame. She still wants fame. She still has fame. But for all the wrong reasons.

She has continued to put herself in the spotlight to make bank on her "story." The public would just as soon forget her, but she didn't allow that. The Clinton scandal was her big shot at fame and she continues to milk it for all it's worth.

I would be more impressed if she gained media attention for something else that is newsworthy that she's done with her life, but she continues to attempt to be a TV personality on the back of the scandal and do interviews regarding the scandal. Other than that, she has a line of purses that no one has ever heard of and she was a Jenny Craig spokesperson for a short while until they decided that they didn't think she was a good role model for their company. So now she's an activist for cyberbullying. I'll save my empathy for victims of cyberbullying that don't continually seek fame for their misdeeds.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Had Monica L focused on doing something other than focusing on someone else's husband and toying with social media, she may not have felt so bullied. I don't have any interest in her or her message. As far as I'm concerned, discussions of her "mistake" are just further attempts by her to be somebody in the media ... somebody that people talk about and recognize. She wanted fame. She got fame. She still wants fame. She still has fame. But for all the wrong reasons.

I remember the many paid speeches she gave, telling everyone she just wanted to be left alone....how she didn't want to be in the spotlight. Her incident with the President led to a profitable speaking career...one she actively promoted, and is actively promoting. (not that there is anything wrong with that.)

I didn't watch the video. She may well be an expert on the subject, and give sound advice.

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Kay King

9 years ago

I'm with the "not listening" group - though I have no doubt she gives a convincing spiel.

Had Lewinsky dropped out of the spotlight - not tried to capitalize on her 'exposure', etc...I think she could have fared much better. She didn't seem to "get" the unsavory nature of her participation in the scandal and tried to capitalize on her "fame". Did YOU buy a "the real Monica" purse???

This isn't the first time she's decided to "come forward" and complain about bullies - last time Monica made this much noise was the last time Hillary was running for office....

Before that it was when Bill C was in the news for his charitable work that Monica decided it was time for another round of interviews about "what really happened and how how my life it"....

I feel sorry for her not for the scandal or the bullying - but for HER inability to take her life on a different path. She could have changed her hair style and used a family or mother's name for a while to go under the radar, finished her education and then worked in a field she chose. After a few years, she would have been a "whatever happened to...." story.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I'm with the "not listening" group - though I have no doubt she gives a convincing spiel.

Had Lewinsky dropped out of the spotlight - not tried to capitalize on her 'exposure', etc...I think she could have fared much better. She didn't seem to "get" the unsavory nature of her participation in the scandal and tried to capitalize on her "fame". Did YOU buy a "the real Monica" purse???

This isn't the first time she's decided to "come forward" and complain about bullies - last time Monica made this much noise was the last time Hillary was running for office....

Before that it was when Bill C was in the news for his charitable work that Monica decided it was time for another round of interviews about "what really happened and how how my life it"....

I feel sorry for her not for the scandal or the bullying - but for HER inability to take her life on a different path. She could have changed her hair style and used a family or mother's name for a while to go under the radar, finished her education and then worked in a field she chose. After a few years, she would have been a "whatever happened to...." story.

The thing is after she dumped her handbag business, she moved to London and got a Master of Science degree from the London School of Economics. She has done nothing with that degree. She claims that she has a lot of legal bills (what for?) and high living expenses so she needs a boatload of money to get by.

I want a boatload of money too, but that's life. She'll continue being Monica the victim as long as it pays well.

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MissTerraK 9 years ago

I'm not going to watch it either.

I have no interest at all. To me, she is nothing but an opportunist which is what led her to her famous, er, infamous "act" in the first place.

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Zodiax

9 years ago

I misjudged her.

She is a really good women who made a mistake, not a fame seeker.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Unless her family was already well off, her behavior - after the scandal, is to be expected.

The woman is trying to get paid. That's fine by me but not by me.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

I have no problem with her making some coin. I'm sure there was a period of time when she couldn't even get work at McDonalds (who'd eat what she cooked?).

That said, I certainly don't feel sorry for her. Have an affair with a married man - the most powerful man in the world - and then go on the speakers circuit? You're probably going to get called a name or two.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

"Not a day goes by, that I am not reminded of my mistake"

And not a day goes by, that you don't remind us of your mistake.

She has developed some presentation skill though.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

She has developed some presentation skill though.

... and the ability to get a lot of mileage from a few BJs. lol.

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Her parents worried about her committing suicide due to cyber bullying...

She won't commit suicide. There's a lot more money to be made from the scandal. She has been offered $12M to pen her memoirs with juicy details about Bill Clinton and the type of toys he likes, etc. Of course, should she do that, she will open up the door to more notoriety and ridicule, but that didn't get in her way when her and Tripp were devising the release of the affair.

Of course if she really hated the "cyberbullying", she could delete her social media accounts.

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Cali16

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

She won't commit suicide.

Suzanne, she was referring to back to when the scandal broke (when she was in her early 20s) and being publicly humiliated and shamed by the media, not today. I would bet very good money that suicide did cross her mind many times under that degree of humiliation, pressure, and scrutiny. Her parents likely had very good reason to be concerned.

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Of course if she really hated the "cyberbullying", she could delete her social media accounts.

Social media wasn't in existence yet back then, but the Internet was just starting to flourish when the scandal with Clinton became public knowledge. Perhaps the reason she hasn't deleted her accounts is because that would be a way of letting the bullies win.

Look, I don't know her personally. I don't presume to know for sure what motivates her, or what goes on in her head, or what her intentions are for anything she's doing now or has done in the past.

I also think it's a pretty safe assumption that no one else who's posting here knows her personally either. Let's face it; 99% of most people's perception of her has been shaped over the years by the media. And how many times have people in this very thread criticized how the media distorts the facts??

Maybe she is a horrible human being - a self-absorbed "fame whore" whose only goal is to continue putting herself in the spotlight and make as much money as she can off of it. Or maybe that's how the media has consistently portrayed her, and anything she says or does is immediately twisted to fit that perception. Wow, imagine that being a possibility!

I watched her speech carefully. I studied her face and body language. I listened closely to her words. I observed her like I would one of my therapy clients. I didn't see a woman seeking fame. I didn't see insincerity. I didn't see someone mentioning her past mistake to "keep reminding us of it" - it made perfect sense for her to use it as the context of her speech.

Maybe she's just a really good actress. I don't know for sure. But I lean towards giving her the benefit of a doubt.

As for the books, Jenny Craig stint, purse line, etc. - none of us knows exactly why she chose to do any of those things. None of us knows who was advising her or what all influenced her decisions over the years. Like Dan said, there were many years when probably no one would hire her. And she probably did have a huge amount of legal bills. Maybe she did desire obscurity but kept being pulled back into the limelight; maybe for reasons none of use could understand because we haven't walked in her shoes.

Once the media successfully paints someone in a particular light, many people think they know the person and are far to quick to jump on the bandwagon of condemnation (or adoration, depending on the media's spin). Everything the person does is continually filtered through that distorted perception - no matter what. Is that really fair?

I challenge each of you to take the 20 minutes to watch the video. Set your media-shaped judgement aside for a moment. And consider being a bit more compassionate. I'm sure there isn't a person in this thread who hasn't made some whopping mistakes in their lives; I know I have. I also know what it's like to have people assume they knew my intentions or motives when they didn't have a clue. Thank heavens I'm not a celebrity.

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Originally Posted by Cali16

Social media wasn't in existence yet back then, but the Internet was just starting to flourish when the scandal with Clinton became public knowledge. Perhaps the reason she hasn't deleted her accounts is because that would be a way of letting the bullies win.

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I also think it's a pretty safe assumption that no one else who's posting here knows her personally either. Let's face it; 99% of most people's perception of her has been shaped over the years by the media. And how many times have people in this very thread criticized how the media distorts the facts??

Maybe she is a horrible human being - a self-absorbed "fame whore" whose only goal is to continue putting herself in the spotlight and make as much money as she can off of it. Or maybe that's how the media has consistently portrayed her, and anything she says or does is immediately twisted to fit that perception. Wow, imagine that being a possibility!

Cali, my perceptions of ML are not created by the media. After the big scandal died down, I haven't read a single article about her. My information about her comes from Wikipedia as a brush up on what exactly she has done since then, and my conclusion is ... nothing much.

I didn't fault her for her handbag business or Jenny Craig stint. At least that was an honest attempt to do something with her life, although spectacularly short-lived and unsuccessful. Everything else, other than getting a degree she hasn't utilized, relates to the sex scandal. And that is what I base my opinion of her on. The fact that she hasn't rolled up her sleeves and gotten down to actually constructively rebuilding her life outside the spotlight. She has sought out the media. She couldn't wait to be in the headlines once again when Hillary announced her candidacy. I didn't read what she had to say, but I saw her in the headlines once again in the Clinton's lives. You can't bitch about the media if you take every opportunity to allow them in. I haven't ever noticed a media frenzy surrounding her or following her since the scandal. If she has had negative press, it's well deserved. She has given the public precious little good to write about her.

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I watched her speech carefully. I studied her face and body language. I listened closely to her words. I observed her like I would one of my therapy clients. I didn't see a woman seeking fame. I didn't see insincerity. I didn't see someone mentioning her past mistake to "keep reminding us of it" - it made perfect sense for her to use it as the context of her speech.

Maybe she's just a really good actress. I don't know for sure. But I lean towards giving her the benefit of a doubt.

As for the books, Jenny Craig stint, purse line, etc. - none of us knows exactly why she chose to do any of those things. None of us knows who was advising her or what all influenced her decisions over the years. Like Dan said, there were many years when probably no one would hire her. And she probably did have a huge amount of legal bills. Maybe she did desire obscurity but kept being pulled back into the limelight; maybe for reasons none of use could understand because we haven't walked in her shoes.

Once the media successfully paints someone in a particular light, many people think they know the person and are far to quick to jump on the bandwagon of condemnation (or adoration, depending on the media's spin). Everything the person does is continually filtered through that distorted perception - no matter what. Is that really fair?

I challenge each of you to take the 20 minutes to watch the video. Set your media-shaped judgement aside for a moment. And consider being a bit more compassionate. I'm sure there isn't a person in this thread who hasn't made some whopping mistakes in their lives; I know I have. I also know what it's like to have people assume they knew my intentions or motives when they didn't have a clue. Thank heavens I'm not a celebrity.

Sorry ... I'll have to decline the challenge. I have no interest in anything ML has to say about anything and haven't since the scandal. I would feel differently if she had built up a resume of great things she's done since then, but interviews, books and speeches about the sex scandal and it's aftermath do not cut it for me.

It's really not about not forgiving her bad judgement or mistake. It's about her continuing to profit from it instead of moving forward in her life in a positive direction. My take on her is that she has continually sought the big payouts rather than settling for a life possibly less financially rewarding that involved building a solid, respectable career for herself.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

Once the media successfully paints someone in a particular light, many people think they know the person and are far to quick to jump on the bandwagon of condemnation (or adoration, depending on the media's spin). Everything the person does is continually filtered through that distorted perception - no matter what. Is that really fair?

I make no moral judgement. (Because I have no morals to base it on) I only know she has been in hundreds of interviews, at least dozens of paid speeches, and in three books. These are facts. Her motivation isn't what I was thinking of.

Honestly, I didn't watch the whole thing, maybe the first half. The subject of cyber bullying isn't interesting to me. It's unlikely that, in the beginning, publicity was her agenda. No idea how she feels, or felt. Maybe speaking out about an incident for 18 years is therapeutic, I have no idea.

It is nice to see that she is now talking about cyber bullying, which isn't just a continuous rehash of her "scandal". This may be a new direction for her.

Added later; OK I watched the rest of it. Well written and delivered speech. I can see where the responses are coming from now. I can see where this could become her new message.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

As for the books, Jenny Craig stint, purse line, etc. - none of us knows exactly why she chose to do any of those things.

I agree with Lance that she doesn't make a good spokesman for bullying (theres a component to it that is no fault of the person being bullied that ML can't speak to). However although you are right that no one can know I think I can take a pretty good guess

Making it part of her life was the only rational choice

You cant fade away from having a public affair with the POTUS. It will pretty much define you for the rest of your life. Hiding, trying to find another life wouldn't result in anything but looks and whispers in the room wherever she goes. Short of curing cancer Monica Lewinsky will still be infamous for one thing

SO if its going to be out there and its impossible for you to run or hide from it makes complete sense to embrace it, get in on the story so you can help control it. yep write books, talk about it, stay in the lights and keep your chin up. Make money from it? Yep
because its for darn sure you work for anyone in a regular job your are going to see the whisperings and the looks for the rest of your life and its going to affect your work anyway

its the smart move and the only one that gives you back some control.

Meanwhile if you think sexism is dead, How come Bill doesn't have the same cloud hanging over him? Took two to tango (and he was older and more influential) yet to many he is still like a rock star and she was to suppose to just slink away?

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Meanwhile if you think sexism is dead, How come Bill doesn't have the same cloud hanging over him?

There were grave repurcussions from the scandal for Bill Clinton. He didn't make a career out of the scandal. He moved on with his life and has many accomplishments since then.

Had ML done that, nobody would talk about her in the same way that some do now. She keeps reminding us over and over that she had oral sex with a President rather than that she went on to build a great career for herself, built a great business, married and has a wonderful family, etc. Can't get hired for the job she wants? So what. Start her own business. Her handbag business was moderately successful. Moderate wasn't good enough for her. If she put half as much energy into it as she has put into telling us all once again that she had oral sex with a President, maybe it would have been fabulously successful.

This new ML story is just that. Same story, different packaging.

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Where there's smoke, there is likely to be fire. Sexual misconduct allegations against Bill Clinton: Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick
"Clinton's name appears more than 10 times on flight manifests for Jeffrey Epstein's private airliner: a Boeing 727. Epstein was convicted in 2008 in Florida for soliciting underage teenage prostitutes."

His friendship with Bush Sr? Illuminati protection?

(the Illuminati line was a joke...sort of)

It's never been a secret that Bill Clinton has cheated on Hillary. He was elected President while women were "telling all." As for flight manifests, try as they might, they have never been able to connect him with sex with underage prostitutes and the prostitutes themselves deny any sexual contact with Bill Clinton, while they do name other famous people.

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Kay King 9 years ago

The only reason ML gets back in the news is it gives people a chance to take another "shot" at Bill Clinton.
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  The only reason ML gets back in the news is it gives people a chance to take another "shot" at Bill Clinton.
  
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

There were grave repurcussions from the scandal for Bill Clinton. He didn't make a career out of the scandal. He moved on with his life and has many accomplishments since then.

Come on Suzanne - Looking at Slick's

life just illustrates the point

A) of course he didn't make a career out of the scandal. He already had one as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. (Also part of the reason he got some nookie - power is attractive).

B) at no time AT ALL did Bill not have a LARGE support base in his corner. Lewinsky almost none

C) He was already in position to offset the scandal precisely as I said Lewinsky wasn't. People could point to, and did in his defense, other things he had done (as president and as a result of being president). Can't compare that to a young intern. President's make news to offset their scandals and create alternative legacy. She had no such advantage at her disposal.

D) She had an affair and he had an affair. He added perjury on top of it and still he is the golden boy and she is forever seen as the slut. Steering straight into what you cannot avoid is often the only logical choice. If you say it first and keep saying it it cuts off a lot of the whispers and gossip at the knees. It gives you back some control at least of the narrative.

E) he was older and wiser than Monica. Bill is certainly no mental slouch. She had glitter in her eyes - (you could see it from pictures where she was looking at him). he was getting some action knowing darn well he was NEVER going to leave Hillary not then not ever.

Sexism and privilege of power is written all over this. The media and most people were never going to let her move on so its feasible that she decided to take the lemon and make lemonade.

I am not a fan of hers in general but I can see the logic of her decisions considering the lack of any real viable alternatives to just "move on" - moving on just was and is not an option in today's media.

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

B) at no time AT ALL did Bill not have a LARGE support base in his corner. Lewinsky almost none

Why would she? She's most noted for giving a President some BJs.

she is forever seen as the slut

... and she continues to remind us. Most of us would have completely forgotten about her mistake as a 22 year old, if it were not for her constant articles and interviews by her about it. She had/has the power to shape and mold her life beyond the scandal and has not done so. She simply finds it easier and more lucrative to keep at it. So be it. Let her epitaph be
RIP ML ... most noted for giving a President BJs.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Why would she? She's most noted for giving a President some BJs.

and what was Slick known for at 22?? Put Bill at 22 in a scandal with even the first lady and today thats all he would be known for too

Most of us would have completely forgotten about her mistake as a 22 year old, if it were not for her constant articles and interviews by her about

thats quite the imaginative and totally unrealistic claim. The media/public was going to forget about the intern and actions involved in what led to the impeachment of a sitting president? Yeah right ...and Jurassic Park is a documentary

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

and what was Slick known for at 22?? Put Bill at 22 in a scandal with even the first lady and today thats all he would be known for too

Most of us would have completely forgotten about her mistake as a 22 year old, if it were not for her constant articles and interviews by her about

thats quite the imaginative and totally unrealistic claim. The media/public was going to forget about the intern and actions involved in what led to the impeachment of a sitting president? Yeah right ...and Jurassic Park is a documentary

Until this thread, I never gave ML a single thought. She is as inconsequential as Paris Hilton or the Kardashians to me.

As for Bill Clinton, even early on, he kept himself busy.

Early Life

Aug. 19, 1946 -- Clinton is born William Jefferson Blythe IV in Hope, Ark., after his father dies in a traffic accident. He later takes the last name of his stepfather, Roger Clinton.

July 24, 1963 -- As a high school student and delegate to the American Legion Boys Nation, Clinton meets President John F. Kennedy in the White House Rose Garden and is photographed shaking Kennedy's hand.

1968 -- Wins a Rhodes Scholarship to attend Oxford University in England.

1968 -- Earns bachelor's degree from Georgetown University School of Foreign Service.

1973 -- Earns a law degree from Yale University. Takes teaching job at University of Arkansas Law School.

Enters Politics

1974 -- Clinton loses an Arkansas congressional race to incumbent Republican Rep. John Paul Hammerschmidt.

Oct. 11, 1975 -- Marries Hillary Rodham in Fayetteville, Ark.

1976 -- Elected attorney general of Arkansas.

Nov. 7, 1978 -- Elected governor of Arkansas, defeating Republican Lynn Lowe.

Feb. 27, 1980 -- Hillary Rodham Clinton gives birth to the couple's only child, Chelsea.

Nov. 4, 1980 -- Loses re-election bid as Arkansas governor. Takes job at private law firm.

Nov. 2, 1982 -- Re-elected governor of Arkansas, defeating Republican Gov. Frank D. White in rematch of 1980 race.

Presidential Ambitions

Oct. 3, 1991 -- Amid his fifth term as governor of Arkansas, Clinton declares he's running for president.

Feb. 18, 1992 -- After damage from scandals including accusations of draft dodging during the Vietnam War and claims of an extramarital affair, Clinton finishes second in the New Hampshire Democratic primary and declares, "New Hampshire tonight has made Bill Clinton the comeback kid."

June 2, 1992 -- Wraps up the Democratic nomination for president.

July 16, 1992 -- Clinton officially becomes the party's candidate for president at the Democratic National Convention in New York. Sen. Al Gore, D-Tenn., is his running mate.

Nov. 3, 1992 -- Garners 43 percent of the popular vote and 370 electoral votes to defeat President George H.W. Bush and independent candidate Ross Perot. Democrats maintain their majority in both houses of Congress.

President Clinton

Jan. 20, 1993 -- Clinton is sworn in as the 42nd president of the United States.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

There were grave repurcussions from the scandal for Bill Clinton. He didn't make a career out of the scandal. He moved on with his life and has many accomplishments since then.

Had ML done that, nobody would talk about her in the same way that some do now. She keeps reminding us over and over that she had oral sex with a President rather than that she went on to build a great career for herself, built a great business, married and has a wonderful family, etc.

That was my first thought.

Notoriety can be translated into celebrity. But the more thought I gave it, the more I saw how this would be difficult for her. She could become a humanitarian. But that won't put food on her table. Nobody would hire her as a spokesperson. I don't know how hard she tried to get a regular job.

But getting paid to talk about her experience is about the easiest and most obvious thing she could do. And now, talking about cyber bullying seems like a natural transition for her.

I don't fault her for any of this. In fact, it's a way to survive. But saying, in front of a huge paying audience, "I wish people would leave me alone"..is just funny to me.

And now, with Hillary as a serious possibility as our next president, Monica will be used as a reminder. So it's another opportunity for her.

But going from "The sex with POTUS girl" to the "Cyber bullying advocate" is certainly a step in a good direction.

Jessica Hahn became a quasi-celebrity because of a scandal. Lewinsky could have gone the Penthouse route, and she didn't.

The last two sentences were judgemental.

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9 years ago

Good speech. Paints a picture of the impact of cyber bullying. It's not just about her experience.

An event such as she experienced at 22 years old would have a huge impact upon someone and their family. Her parents worried about her committing suicide due to cyber bullying...

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9 years ago

I don't have a problem with her or what she did. A lot of people do that or have it done to them but usually it doesn't turn someone into a public whipping target emblazoned with a scarlet letter.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

I don't have a problem with her or what she did. A lot of people do that or have it done to them but usually it doesn't turn someone into a public whipping target emblazoned with a scarlet letter.

Or make the US government the laughing stock of the world!

Remember the Oval Office as being referred to the Oral Office?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Or make the US government the laughing stock of the world!

Remember the Oval Office as being referred to the Oral Office?

Terra

A Brazilian told me that it helped improve the image of the United States over there.

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9 years ago

There have been several books published about ML - and several she is said to have contributed interviews for so maybe she profited from those to some extent.

She had an immunity agreement that limited what she was allowed to say publicly. That may be the reason she has not written a book - but also maybe there's nothing more to the story than what was news at the time.

I don't think cyber bullying was a problem at this time of this scandal - term hadn't been coined yet, had it? If she is bullied now on social media - simple cure is to get off social media.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

There have been several books published about ML - and several she is said to have contributed interviews for so maybe she profited from those to some extent.

She had an immunity agreement that limited what she was allowed to say publicly. That may be the reason she has not written a book - but also maybe there's nothing more to the story than what was news at the time.

I don't think cyber bullying was a problem at this time of this scandal - term hadn't been coined yet, had it? If she is bullied now on social media - simple cure is to get off social media.

Monica Speaks! Paperback – November, 1998

She has also co-authored;
The Tripp/Lewinsky Tapes
The Starr Evidence: The Complete Text of the Grand Jury Testimony of President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky

Again, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Personally, I have no problem with anything she's done. Sex with a President? book tours, interviews, speeches....it's all good.

But continually saying that she is trying to avoid all this, is kind of funny.

And again, she may well know quite a lot about cyber bullying. So I can't fault her there.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

There have been several books published about ML - and several she is said to have contributed interviews for so maybe she profited from those to some extent.

She had an immunity agreement that limited what she was allowed to say publicly. That may be the reason she has not written a book - but also maybe there's nothing more to the story than what was news at the time.

I don't think cyber bullying was a problem at this time of this scandal - term hadn't been coined yet, had it? If she is bullied now on social media - simple cure is to get off social media.

The immunity agreement expired and she has free reign to say anything she wants to.

An immunity agreement required her to remain mum about what happened behind those White House doors, but that didn't stop her from working with Andrew Morton who wrote her biography Monica's Story, published in 1999. That same year she was interviewed by Barbara Walters on 20/20.

In 2002, the terms of the immunity agreement were finally lifted and the public got a brief burst of openness from Lewinsky. She starred in the HBO special "Monica in Black and White" and responded to a studio audience's questions about her relationship with Clinton. This was followed by silence as Lewinsky had reportedly become worn down by intense negative attention from the media.

At the Forbes Summit Lewinsky seemed to be starting a new and more stable chapter in her as she talked about being one of the first victims of cyberbullying.

Posted on October 20, 2014 | By Amy Graff

This morning Monica Lewinsky, 41, joined Twitter and immediately attracted thousands of followers with her first step into the bumper-sticker culture. Tweet No. 1 simply read "#HereWeGo."

She hasn't even had the Twitter account, which could easily be deleted were she a victim of cyberbullying, for a whole year.

This is just another way for "I can't do anything but talk about my sex scandal Lewinsky" to make bank from the scandal without talking about "it" directly.

Bill Clinton was involved in the same sex scandal and managed to move on with his life and do it quite well.

Can't wait to see what she does for money when the world finally says .... Monica Lewinsky? Who gives a shit?

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Originally Posted by thunderbird

A Brazilian told me that it helped improve the image of the United States over there.

LOL!

Brazil?

Why am I not surprised?

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  Sweet innocent Terra; Look up Brazilian.
  
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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Everyone seems to be focusing on the messenger rather than the message, so I'm done with the topic. The message is a powerful one that needs to be heard, but whatever.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Everyone seems to be focusing on the messenger rather than the message, so I'm done with the topic. The message is a powerful that needs to be heard, but whatever.

It's simply a matter of choosing messengers that you respect. I've read a lot about cyberbullying. ML didn't invent the word and the most tragic victims of cyberbullying are teens and young adults pushed to suicide due to cyberbullying. They are innocent victims and I don't know anyone who doesn't have empathy for them and who wouldn't do what they could to stop cyberbullying.

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9 years ago

I really did not follow her after the Clinton deal.

She says it was consensual; however, IMO, he was old enough to know better and the most powerful man in the world. She was 22.

I just read the wiki about her. I watched the video earlier.

I see a woman who has struggled for 18-19 years - not a joy ride of a life. She took some of the
gigs she took because she had a ton of legal bills and could not get hired in normal jobs.
Jenny Craig paid her $300,000 of the million dollar contract.

She's never been married, never had kids, and seemingly never had a serious relationship.

As I said earlier, the event had a huge impact on her life. Life events are usually a lot
"bigger" when we are young than when we are older. She probably received a lot of bad
advice back then and for a few years after the event.

It seems to me that all she has done during her adult life is do what she thought she had to do
given her circumstances.

Her speech was not about her per se. She spoke of Tyler, the gay 18 year old who killed himself after his roommates published videos of him having homosexual sex. She spoke about a society that clicks on gossip links and looks at hacked photos of naked celebrities. Websites that make money from that stuff. And so on.

People should not be bullied, but it happens. People should not commit suicide from cyber bullying,
but it happens. Celebrities should not have their photos in hackable places (Taylor did not), but it happens. People should not view hacked photos or make money off them, but it happens.

I think that Monica has finally found a purpose in life that stems from all her life experiences. And, IMO, she is applying her social psychology degree in the cyber bullying/internet use arenas.

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I think that Monica has finally found a purpose in life that stems from all her life experiences. And, IMO, she is applying her social psychology degree in the cyber bullying/internet use arenas.

Yeah ... until she pens that $12M Monica's Presidential Sexcapades memoir that a publisher wants her to pen or Hillary wins the nomination for Presidential candidate for Democrats, or someone else offers her money to talk about Clinton.

Given her very short attention span to anything at all since the scandal, it remains to be seen whether or not she would devote a lot of time to an issue, particularly if it did not result in enormous paychecks.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Yeah ... until she pens that $12M Monica's Presidential Sexcapades memoir that a publisher wants her to pen or Hillary wins the nomination for Presidential candidate for Democrats, or someone else offers her money to talk about Clinton.

Given her very short attention span to anything at all since the scandal, it remains to be seen whether or not she would devote a lot of time to an issue, particularly if it did not result in enormous paychecks.

She would have done "that" book by now.

We'll see.

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Originally Posted by bizgrower

She would have done "that" book by now.

We'll see.

Oh wait ... appears she already did pen it for Vanity Fair Exclusive. And perhaps her new found interest in doing talks about cyberbullying are a great way to plug her Vanity Fair Book.

The full story is available in the digital editions; subscribe now for access. The magazine will be on national newsstands and available in an audio edition on May 13.

Exclusive: Monica Lewinsky Writes About Her Affair with President Clinton | Vanity Fair

Monica Lewinsky Book to Reveal Abortion During Clinton Affair | LifeNews.com

Apparently, the press doesn't hound her as much as she pretends, as I haven't heard a word about this until I googled it.

It's more of the same. Monica Lewinsky can't really find a niche without capitalizing from a sex scandal, only now she plays the part of a victim. If she hasn't done it by now (find a productive, rewarding, scandal free J.O.B.), in her 40s, it's unlikely that she ever will. Of course, she's shocked by what she calls online humiliation and disrespect. Someone of her significant accomplishments should be able to command respect. Right.

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9 years ago

This is off the main topic.

Imagine if Monica was a man. At 22, he had an affair with his boss. For the next 18 years, he talks about his affair, in hundreds of articles, and writes a book about it. He gives speeches about it.

And finally, on TED talks, he talks about cyber bullying.

Would we feel differently?

Why?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

This is off the main topic.

Imagine if Monica was a man. At 22, he had an affair with his boss. For the next 18 years, he talks about his affair, in hundreds of articles, and writes a book about it. He gives speeches about it.

And finally, on TED talks, he talks about cyber bullying.

Would we feel differently?

Why?

Depends on how hot his boss was

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

This is off the main topic.

Imagine if Monica was a man. At 22, he had an affair with his boss. For the next 18 years, he talks about his affair, in hundreds of articles, and writes a book about it. He gives speeches about it.

And finally, on TED talks, he talks about cyber bullying.

Would we feel differently?

Why?

Thats absurd. Iv'e never, ever heard of a man called Monica.

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9 years ago

But she had become pregnant by another man with whom she had a relationship during the time that she and the president were...

When I first heard the story above, seemed to me Clinton was smarter than we gave him credit for. No intercourse 'proper' with him - and looks like his choice as clearly she wasn't one to say "no".

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

When I first heard the story above, seemed to me Clinton was smarter than we gave him credit for. No intercourse 'proper' with him - and looks like his choice as clearly she wasn't one to say "no".

Where there's smoke, there is likely to be fire. Sexual misconduct allegations against Bill Clinton: Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick
"Clinton's name appears more than 10 times on flight manifests for Jeffrey Epstein's private airliner: a Boeing 727. Epstein was convicted in 2008 in Florida for soliciting underage teenage prostitutes."

His friendship with Bush Sr? Illuminati protection?

(the Illuminati line was a joke...sort of)

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

This is off the main topic.

Imagine if Monica was a man. At 22, he had an affair with his boss. For the next 18 years, he talks about his affair, in hundreds of articles, and writes a book about it. He gives speeches about it.

And finally, on TED talks, he talks about cyber bullying.

Would we feel differently?

Why?

There have been incidences of female boss using their power to make male employees take part in intimate adventures. A common problem for the guys in such scenarios is finding anyone to take them seriously. Double standards work in funny ways. There are a lot of unspoken double-standards at play in society that most people don't dare articulate, not wanting to be attacked.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

There have been incidences of female boss using their power to make male employees take part in intimate adventures. A common problem for the guys in such scenarios is finding anyone to take them seriously. Double standards work in funny ways. There are a lot of unspoken double-standards at play in society that most people don't dare articulate, not wanting to be attacked.

Absolutely. Reverse all the genders.

Now, a 22 year old man, has sex with a married female president.

How is the young man seen? How does it affect his life? If he put on seminars titled, "How to seduce any woman", would we look down on him? If he posed for a woman's magazine, would he be labeled a whore? How much easier would it be for him to be able to capitalize on the incident? Would he be able to get a job....maybe even be a spokesman?

Could he give talks on cyber bullying? Could he give talks on another subject? Would he play the victim? Would we see him as a victim?

How would this thread be different?

There is indeed a double standard.

By the way. Monica wasn't married when the incident happened. Clinton was. So, no matter how it looks, I never thought she did anything wrong. And power is attractive.

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By the way. Monica wasn't married when the incident happened. Clinton was. So, no matter how it looks, I never thought she did anything wrong. And power is attractive.

I care nothing about the fact that she had sexual encounters with the President or that Bill Clinton cheated on his wife. His biggest mistake was lying about it. That's what got him impeached. I would have said yeah ... what of it?

Why I don't care at all about ML is that she has made a living from capitalizing from an affair and done very little else, and this latest cyberbullying thing is just more of that. ML claims to be the victim of online shaming, and continues to make a career from her "mistake."

A lot of powerful people have had scandals and overcome them and gone on to do great things or at least things they wanted to do. Some have had sex scandals and gotten re-elected. Some have gone to fed prison, like Martha Stewart and gotten out and resumed their careers.

ML has chosen this route and as a person, I see no reason to respect her. But I'm sure she'll do just fine without my respect.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Oh wait ... appears she already did pen it for Vanity Fair Exclusive. And perhaps her new found interest in doing talks about cyberbullying are a great way to plug her Vanity Fair Book.

Monica Lewinsky Book to Reveal Abortion During Clinton Affair | LifeNews.com

Apparently, the press doesn't hound her as much as she pretends, as I haven't heard a word about this until I googled it.

It's more of the same. Monica Lewinsky can't really find a niche without capitalizing from a sex scandal, only now she plays the part of a victim. If she hasn't done it by now (find a productive, rewarding, scandal free J.O.B.), in her 40s, it's unlikely that she ever will. Of course, she's shocked by what she calls online humiliation and disrespect. Someone of her significant accomplishments should be able to command respect. Right.

To be published in Vanity Fair - from an article dated May of 2014.
The other was to be published in series in "The Mirror" - from the LifeNews.com article published September of 2012.

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9 years ago

I find the whole affair rather tawdry to be honest.

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9 years ago

1968 -- Earns bachelor's degree from Georgetown University School of Foreign Service.

For legit comparison the above date is all that matters

at that age he was 22 just graduating from college. Lewinsky at the same age had graduated, been a white house intern and secured a government job. Who was smarter, who had a more bright future is immaterial. The question is if at the same age Bill had been involved in this high level scandal would he have been able to "move on"

not a shot. He would have never gone on to be POTUS and he would be remembered forever for that. except perhaps as a man he would get less flack as I almost never hear a man called a slut. He's more likely to be called something half way praiseworthy like Playa or sly fox.

Until this thread, I never gave ML a single thought

I don't either................until theres a comedian talking about bill Clinton or theres someone talking about Bill. She is almost never left out of a punch line. Maybe if Bill died she could move on but not while he is still around. As long as someone is talking about Bill or his legacy she is going to come up - with or without her hiding from public view.

anyway my take ...again not a fan of hers and spent enough time talking about her - but just saying I can see the sense and inevitability of incorporating it into her life since it was never ever going to not be a part of it anyway.

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For legit comparison the above date is all that matters

at that age he was 22 just graduating from college. Lewinsky at the same age had graduated, been a white house intern and secured a government job. Who was smarter, who had a more bright future is immaterial. The question is if at the same age Bill had been involved in this high level scandal would he have been able to "move on"

not a shot. He would have never gone on to be POTUS and he would be remembered forever for that.

.... right /
Of course he was actually elected President of the US while women were falling all over themselves to tell about having sex with Bill Clinton. lol

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