Bama apologizes for video that portrays their Sororities as being too hot!

9 years ago

If you want to cut back on blonds in the South - you need to ban L'Oreal from selling hair products there!

What's next - an 'alternate video to represent the other side'? How about a bunch of fatties in sweatsuits trying to run toward the camera - would that do it? Apparently being PC now means every video and photo of anything must be "representational"....barf.

Pretty girls are all over campuses - my Grandson is counting on that! He went shopping this weekend with a friend - spent a huge amount on fancy sneakers and preppy clothes to appeal to all those cuties. This from a kid who spent HS as a jock in cargo shorts and cut-up tees. All of a sudden he's Mr GQ

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

I don't think I blinked for the entire video. And I'm pretty sure it uploaded something to my brain.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I don't think I blinked for the entire video. And I'm pretty sure it uploaded something to my brain.

Wow, that is saying a lot. I know how picky Dan you have been about women and what constitutes good looking or not

I must admit I didn't see one average looking girl. They were all just hot almost like models.

But sadly it really makes you wonder how many truly, good, solid, cute women in the recruitment process they skipped over because they didn't look like they belonged on Baywatch

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Wow, that is saying a lot. I know how picky Dan you have been about women and what constitutes good looking or not

I must admit I didn't see one average looking girl. They were all just hot almost like models.

But sadly it really makes you wonder how many truly, good, solid, cute women in the recruitment process they skipped over because they didn't look like they belonged on Baywatch

I'm sure there are other sororities for the hags.

<ducking>

As far as me being picky, I have high standards. I'm just glad my wife doesn't.

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Lance K

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

I must admit I didn't see one average looking girl. They were all just hot almost like models.

But sadly it really makes you wonder how many truly, good, solid, cute women in the recruitment process they skipped over because they didn't look like they belonged on Baywatch

I saw plenty of average looking and even a handful of below average looking young women in that video. But they all seemed (on the surface anyway) to be confident young women. Good for them.

That said, I don't see a problem with the sorority putting out this video. Who doesn't want to feel attractive?

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discrat 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

I saw plenty of average looking and even a handful of below average looking young women in that video. e?

Im sure there were.
I guess I was too honed in on looking at the hot ones. When I put on my 'hot blinders' it tends to distract me away from even noticing the sub par ones
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

I must admit I didn't see one average looking girl. They were all just hot almost like models.

Look again and realize the power of makeup. There were several average (and below) looking girls in that video. So much so I was surprised after reading this thread when watching it.

Meanwhile I can see why bama would want to remove the video. 1 in 4 people in alabama are non white and that was....ummmm.....lets just say a fascinatingly non diverse group of women. (even predominantly blond). Coincidence? Hardly

UA didn't need another reminder of this VERY recent history. This is more likely the reason they pulled it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/alabama-racism/

Segregated sororities in 2014?? Really??

Plus apparently the sorority couldn't find one meaningful thing they engage in to include in their promo video? I mean you can still look attractive while doing something meaningful. Does a pretty good job perpetuating the blond stereotype.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Look again and realize the power of makeup. There were several average (and below) looking girls in that video. So much so I was surprised after reading this thread when watching it.

True, all of them aint hotties looking back on it

But Mr. Stud Anthony ( whose surprised of "So much" below average looking girls in this video) lets see your video or photo. I want to see how hot you are LOL

.................................................. .............Yep thats what I thought

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

.................................................. .............Yep thats what I thought

That I am straight and don't show my picture to creepy guys on this forum asking for my picture? Yes you were right.

Check Claude. He might be more open to your solicitations

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

That I am straight and don't show my picture to creepy guys on this forum asking for my picture? Yes you were right.

Check Claude. He might be more open to your solicitations

Not for me, silly . For the women on this Forum lol

(Im happily straight ,married ,and with kids.... thank you sir)

With your high standards of beauty , you must be a Denzel Washington or Brad Pitt.

( although I have a strong suspicion your not... lol)

And Im sure the women on this board would be curious to see what Mr. Mike Anthony looks like and maybe even Claude as well

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Not for me, silly . For the women on this Forum lol

Uh...huh......thats a pretty standard cover after rejection. unfortunately the cats already out the bag

I want to see how hot you are

(married ,and with kids.... thank you sir)

I dunno but even so you would not be the first married man on the down low

With your high standards of beauty , you must be a Denzel Washington or Brad Pitt.

( although I have a strong suspicion your not... lol)......And Im sure the women on this board

Interesting that the only one one that is presuming to know the interest of women in this thread is an alleged heterosexual married male. Would there be a reason for this kind of insight?The door is already cracked sufficiently open for you to emerge

if you must know I've been compared to a young Elvis but with darker skin tone.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Uh...huh......thats a pretty standard cover after rejection

I dunno but even so you would not be the first married man on the down low

Interesting that the only one one that is presuming to know the interest of women in this thread is an alleged heterosexual married male. The door is already cracked sufficiently open for you to emerge

if you must known I've been compared to a young Elvis but with darker skin tone.

Good stuff, only in the OT right !! Entertainment abound as this room gets me through the day with a smile on my face

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Good stuff, only in the OT right !! Entertainment abound as this room gets me through the day with a smile on my face

Silver lining for you. Even though I am not available for a love connection we do agree there.
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Originally Posted by discrat

For the women on this Forum lol

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And Im sure the women on this board would be curious to see what Mr. Mike Anthony looks like

We're not. So, is that settled?
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Banned 9 years ago

Funny .... I'm not sure what the point of that video is. That blondes have more fun or that there are rules in bama that no ugly people are allowed in sororities or that superficiality is a quality to be admired. lol. I saw nothing in there that would make me want to go to a Alabama university or join a sorority, but then I don't look like that and never have.

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Kay King

9 years ago

I don't think there is a point to it. Seems to me it's no different than the thousands of young women posing for selfies everywhere they go...just a big 'selfie'.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Funny .... I'm not sure what the point of that video is. That blondes have more fun or that there are rules in bama that no ugly people are allowed in sororities or that superficiality is a quality to be admired. lol. I saw nothing in there that would make me want to go to a Alabama university or join a sorority, but then I don't look like that and never have.

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I don't think there is a point to it. Seems to me it's no different than the thousands of young women posing for selfies everywhere they go...just a big 'selfie'.

It was a sorority recruitment video and is a perfect example of niche marketing at it's finest.

They may not win the award for highest sorority GPA, but I bet their kissing booth raises a lot of money for charity.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

It was a sorority recruitment video and is a perfect example of niche marketing at it's finest.

They may not win the award for highest sorority GPA, but I bet their kissing booth raises a lot of money for charity.

Ahhh ... I see. It was for recruitment. I can tell you that ordinary girls who aren't "knockouts" aren't going to want to join.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Ahhh ... I see. It was for recruitment. I can tell you that ordinary girls who aren't "knockouts" aren't going to want to join.

Right. I'm sure that was part of, if not the entire, motive.

The Sorority Girl, in her natural habitat, is a fearless beast.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Right. I'm sure that was part of their motive. .

Well, it's their sorority. I don't see why it was pulled to be honest. I wouldn't want to join and face the demoralization factor of being surrounded by a bunch of blonde knockouts, but shouldn't they be able to recruit as they see fit as long as it's legal?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well, it's their sorority. I don't see why it was pulled to be honest. I wouldn't want to join and face the demoralization factor of being surrounded by a bunch of blonde knockouts, but shouldn't they be able to recruit as they see fit as long as it's legal?

I believe it's been deemed anti-feminism. One headline I read stated the video has, "Set women back further than Donald Trump."

To answer you question, yes, they should be able to recruit as they see fit -- as long as they stay within the lines of whatever rules are imposed by the current political and social climate being promoted that day on campus. I'm sure many girls found the video to be a micro-aggression against their lack of ability to afford rhinoplasty.

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I believe it's been deemed anti-feminism. One headline I read stated the video has, "Set women back further than Donald Trump."

That's a bunch of bunk. The whole world capitalizes on beautiful women, including beautiful women themselves. The Trump hasn't set women back anywhere because he is of no consequence to anyone but himself. I don't know what he hopes to accomplish, but he just disrespected Heidi Klum and she dis'd him right back. lol.

Women who promote their own beauty and profit from it are not being "set back" or exploited, unless self exploitation is a real thing.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

but he just disrespected Heidi Klum and she dis'd him right back. lol.

I agree with nearly everything you've said. I'm just reporting what I've read.

Not to veer too far off course, but I don't really see what Trump said as a diss. He said she's no longer a 10, which is about as much of a fact a subjective statement can be. She's roughly a 9.2 these days. Considering her age, that's still amazing.

(Ugh. I just publically defended Donald Trump. I'm going to heat up the oven now...)

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I agree with nearly everything you've said. I'm just reporting what I've read.

Not to veer to far off course, but I don't really see what Trump said as a diss. He said she's no longer a 10, which is about as much of a fact a subjective statement can be. She's roughly a 9.2 these days. Considering her age, that' still amazing.

(Ugh. I just publically defended Donald Trump. I'm going to heat up the oven now...)

The fact that she is no longer a 10 doesn't need to be said. Why did he feel the need to say that, particularly coming from someone who has NEVER been a 10 and certainly isn't even close to it now. Women age and some like Heidi Klum, do so gracefully and beautifully. She's still a very beautiful woman and I can't for the life of me understand why Trump thought that was a judicious remark. He's already alienated the Hispanic vote and I'm sure much of the woman vote as well, or he will before it's over. What does he gain by saying that to a well respected super model who is aging? It's not a matter of whether or not it's the truth ... it's a matter of whether it should have been said at all. Is it important that people hear that message?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The fact that she is no longer a 10 doesn't need to be said. Why did he feel the need to say that, particularly coming from someone who has NEVER been a 10 and certainly isn't even close to it now. Women age and some like Heidi Klum, do so gracefully and beautifully. She's still a very beautiful woman and I can't for the life of me understand why Trump thought that was a judicious remark. He's already alienated the Hispanic vote and I'm sure much of the woman vote as well, or he will before it's over. What does he gain by saying that to a well respected super model who is aging? It's not a matter of whether or not it's the truth ... it's a matter of whether it should have been said at all. Is it important that people hear that message?

Ours is not to reason why Trump does something. Ours is to reason when he'll implode.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The fact that she is no longer a 10 doesn't need to be said. Why did he feel the need to say that, particularly coming from someone who has NEVER been a 10 and certainly isn't even close to it now.

Its a control issue for The Trump. He is so narcissistic that he will find any angle to diminish the value of any human being...just to satisfy his own sick, egomaniac Mind and to remain on top.

For women... 'you may be smart and attractive but when you hit your forties you are ready to be put out to the pasture no matter how smart you are. '

Its a competition thing for Trump. .i.e.make everyone a non- threat anyway possible.

A real tool to the highest extreme and is truly a borderline Sociopath

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I don't think there is a point to it. Seems to me it's no different than the thousands of young women posing for selfies everywhere they go...just a big 'selfie'.

I wasn't sure whether it was intended to be a promotional video for the sorority/university or what. As one big, blonde selfie ... great. I'll file that in with my Kartrashian file. lol.

If it was supposed to be promotional, I'm sure a lot of men want to join that sorority, but not plain Jane women.

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Jack Gordon

9 years ago

That video was a terrible disappointment to me.

Not one pillow fight.

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Kay King 9 years ago

So often - those who try to define feminism totally miss the mark.

It's about doing what's right for YOU - and letting others do what's right for THEM.
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9 years ago

The music of the video is worse then the video!!

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HeySal

9 years ago

So there's a sorority where the chicks are smart enough to get good grades and hot on top of it? Um........so? Nobody here was hot when they were in their early 20s?

Hate to inform people this - but hot chicks are NOT all shallow. What if all of the girls (well, women) in this video, this sorority had been butt ugly?

All of my friends were flaming hot - I was the barker of the group. They got more attention and had more fun than other girls - rich guys took them everywhere. Some had more money than average to spend on clothes, etc. that made them look even hotter. But we could have been a sorority ourselves. We went, did, saw, worked, and played. We did selfish stuff, and we did non-profit stuff, just like everyone else. We got top grades and it wasn't because we were boffing our profs.

Basically what we were was girls - young adults feeling our oats.

It disturbs me when people have attitudes against people for being good looking and fun loving. WTF is wrong with being pretty. A few of my friends were so pretty that men were afraid to ask them out. They were presumed stupid every time they opened their mouths because "gasp" a pretty woman can't have brains because all she thinks about is her looks right? Other women were sometimes very mean to them just because they were jealous.

If these little hotties want a sorority of other hot chicks and are having fun - are learning and are kind people -- I don't see one rat's patoot wrong with that.

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discrat 9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

It disturbs me when people have attitudes against people for being good looking and fun loving. WTF is wrong with being pretty. .

99% of the time it is pure jealousy. They will try to tell you its not but it is.

Lets face it the more attractive you are the better the odds that you CAN have a happier more abundant Life than someone who is just average or below average looking.

Good looking people (on the whole ) in Corporate America make more money and advance farther and quicker up the ladder than their "plain jane" counterparts

Thats just fact. No one can dispute it. ( of course their is no guarantees in Life for anyone to be happy)

For women ,it is about 10 times more true than for men.

As women get older and tend to lose their looks ,they do lose out to younger more attractive women in many regards!
Thats just the reality of things, Same for men but to a much lesser degree

but in a sense this is empowering to many older women as they concentrate on more deeper issues that actually mean something. I just think of my 80 yr.old mom and what a fulfilling life she lives now, probably much more than she had when she was 30
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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

I dig the glasses, Mike.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I dig the glasses, Mike.

Oh Dan.

This may not go over well at all !

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Oh Dan.

This may not go over well at all !

Here's a little tip, Robert: We all know Mike is African-American. He also stated he's been said to look like a young Elvis. If he should be offended, it should probably be by the hair. Yikes.

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Here's a little tip, Robert: We all know Mike is African-American.

Never mind Discrat he thinks we all have no sense of humor
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- Jack Gordon 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  Never mind Discrat he thinks we all have no sense of humor
  
  Good thing you all are so good at dancing!
  
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  Good thing you all are so good at dancing!
  
  Well true but you guys had MJ
  
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  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  Well true but you guys had MJ
  
  Well, we had him from about 1990 on. You guys had his best years though.
  
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  Well, we had him from about 1990 on. You guys had his best years though.
  
  Nope....not as far as dancing was concerned
  
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  Dude was most killer when he was white
  
  on a serious note boy were a lot of us wrong about him. Turned out he really did have a disease that made that necessary for him
  
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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Here's a little tip, Robert: We all know Mike is African-American. He also stated he's been said to look like a young Elvis. If he should be offended, it should probably be by the hair. Yikes.

Sorry the Elvis thing totally went over my head.
(Like many things in my life do lol)

Now it makes sense.

Yes i know Mike's african american and I thought it was just a random picture you picked out

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Sorry the Elvis thing totally went over my head.
(Like many things in my life do lol)

Now it makes sense.

Yes i know Mike's african american and I thought it was just a random picture you picked out

Ah, that makes a little more sense. That would be a pretty odd random picture.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Here's a little tip, Robert: We all know Mike is African-American. He also stated he's been said to look like a young Elvis. If he should be offended, it should probably be by the hair. Yikes.

I think the hair, the glasses, and the scarf are offensive. Stop asking for Claude's help when you photoshop.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I dig the glasses, Mike.

Then you have lousy taste in glasses

More like this though (meh not the same nose though)

http://www.obrienillustration.com/wp...lack-Elvis.jpg

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Then you have lousy taste in glasses

More like this though (meh not the same nose though)

http://www.obrienillustration.com/wp...lack-Elvis.jpg

Oh seriously. IF you are claiming to even be a percent as good looking as that -- then you OWE the women of this forum a pic.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Oh seriously. IF you are claiming to even be a percent as good looking as that -- then you OWE the women of this forum a pic.

My Paypal account and Wife tend to disagree plus worse the latter would wonder why I was courting cougar interest.
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Cali16

9 years ago

I watched the video but didn't really see anything wrong with it. Sure, there were a lot of cute girls, some average-looking girls (none I would consider "below average") and a few exceptionally pretty girls. But "too hot" is a stretch, unless dying your hair blonde automatically makes you hot...

The girls looked like typical college girls having fun - nothing more. They weren't doing anything inappropriate.

Sororities have always notoriously catered to girls who were prettier than average - that's part of the appeal. If you get in, it's an automatic stamp of social approval - that you must be somebody attractive and special. You're now part of this "elite" group. I suppose the argument could be made that this video reinforces that age-old concept.

But really, I don't see the big deal at all with this video. It's just more of this PC / microaggression nonsense that's getting out of control.

What's next? You can't go to college if you're pretty because your mere presence might offend other female students who are (or perceive themselves to be) less attractive or downright unattractive?

Good grief!

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

I watched the video but didn't really see anything wrong with it. Sure, there were a lot of cute girls, some average-looking girls (none I would consider "below average") and a few exceptionally pretty girls. But "too hot" is a stretch

Which is why its dubious that was the real reason the university complained. Most every Cheerleading squad is "hotter" with no issues. Its far more likely given the recent history of Alabama sororities blocking non white membership that some one very smart wanted to remove the video without reference to race before a connection was seen between the lack of diversity and the recent history

and I'm not the only one noticing the lack of diversity

U. of Alabama sorority criticized for ‘racially-homogeneous’ recruitment video | USA TODAY College

Again other universities probably would be fine (and be able to show a non white member to boot) but with the recent history as late as 2013 and 2014 the makeup is that way because of it was in part or whole designed to be that way

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HeySal

9 years ago

This thread is more disturbing all the time.

Now every video a group does has to show some sort of social value of the group. Can't just be a video of them having fun. And now every damned group has to have token members of other groups to be valid or permissible. You can no longer have a homogeneous group. You even have to watch the percentage of people with the same hair color.

Bunch of commie bs if you ask me. Leave people the hell alone as long as they aren't hurting anyone - let them have fun, let them decide who they do and don't want in their groups by themselves. Do we have to mess with every damned group of people that want to have their group? Nope - we have to interfere with everyone's damned lives. We have to let cross dressers in girl's bathrooms no matter how bad it horrifies the girls, we have to have a mix of races in every group, we have to have girls in boy scouts. It's gotten so f**king out of control it makes me want to hurl. LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE until they are hurting someone else. Why is that so stinking hard? If other people don't like this group in the video, then instead of spitting all over them............go make your OWN stinking group and give it a rest.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

We have to let cross dressers in girl's bathrooms no matter how bad it horrifies the girls, we have to have a mix of races in every group, we have to have girls in boy scouts. It's gotten so f**king out of control it makes me want to hurl

The benefits of resisting racial segregation at a state funded college just increased!! For your hurling benefit

Alabama Racism

LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE until they are hurting someone else. Why is that so stinking hard? If other people don't like this group in the video, then instead of spitting all over them............go make your OWN stinking group and give it a rest.

Shouldn't that apply to forum posts you don't like? May I wish you a fond farewell?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The benefits of resisting racial segregation at a state funded college just increased!! For your hurling benefit

Alabama Racism

Shouldn't that apply to forum posts you don't like? May I wish you a fond farewell?

Oh you are saying ALL groups have to have diversity or they are bigoted? Well, perhaps you would like to explain that to these groups?
Black Dating Network.com, Assoc of Black Sociologists, Nat'l Black Nurse's Assoc, United Negro College Fund, Assoc of Black Psychologists, Amer Assoc of Blacks in Energy, Nat'l Assoc of Black Journalists, Nat'l Assoc of Black Hotel Owners, Operators & Developers, Nat'l Black Business Council
Nat'l Blac Nurses Assoc
And what's this?! National Black Chamber of Commerce.

You know as damned well as I do that if the black in any of those groups were changed to white - people's heads would explode and everyone would be yelling bigot, so don't throw the holier than thou crap in my direction.

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Originally Posted by HeySal

Oh you are saying ALL groups have to have diversity or they are bigoted? Well, perhaps you would like to explain that to these groups?
Black Dating Network.com, Assoc of Black Sociologists, Nat'l Black Nurse's Assoc, United Negro College Fund, Assoc of Black Psychologists, Amer Assoc of Blacks in Energy, Nat'l Assoc of Black Journalists, Nat'l Assoc of Black Hotel Owners, Operators & Developers, Nat'l Black Business Council
Nat'l Blac Nurses Assoc
And what's this?! National Black Chamber of Commerce.

You know as damned well as I do that if the black in any of those groups were changed to whites - people's heads would explode and everyone would be yelling bigot, so don't throw the holier than thou crap in my direction.

I didn't know the black dating network and all those other organizations were funded by the state government. You know ... the government that is by the people (no matter what color they are), for the people and all that jazz.

The University of Alabama board of trustees is asking the Alabama Legislature to fund the system at 2008 levels, a consistent request for the three-campus system since state appropriations for higher education declined drastically during the past five years because of the economic downturn.

The trustees approved a request for $611 million in state funding for fiscal year 2015, which begins in October 2014, during their November meeting Friday on the UA campus. The current fiscal-year appropriation is $450 million.

The board also approved a related request for approximately $291 million in state funding during fiscal year 2015 for capital improvements, including $145 million for new projects.

Then there's this
University of Alabama orders sororities to end race discrimination
University of Alabama orders sororities to end race discrimination | US news | The Guardian

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9 years ago

This is B.S. - politically correct tripe.

The Divine Nine - BlackGreek.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._organizations

Loretta Lynch and the Political Power of the Black Sorority - The Atlantic

https://kelseybmusic.wordpress.com/joining-a-sorority/

We're talking Alabama. We're talking segregated sororities in University of Alabama. Who cares about anything in Alabama ... unless you're from Alabama.

Problem is, many people talking about it don't know much about it. The argument is that the "white sororities" should be required to have members of other races....but there's no similar requirement for black sororities. See the problem? Maybe the PC police at HuffPost and other media outlets should be more inclusive in their demands for "diversity".

The shocking truth about the deep South states - to me at least - is the existence of groups based on race that never get mentioned in the news. Black Spring Break - Black Proms at high schools - black mardi gras groups and parades - black carnivals and black social groups - black sororities. Many of the same people attend the standard spring break celebrations - and the standard high school proms...then they turn around and Katie-bar-the-door when it comes to their special celebrations.

Maybe the media and the PC police should let college students manage their own social groups.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

This is B.S. - politically correct tripe.

The Divine Nine - BlackGreek.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._organizations

Loretta Lynch and the Political Power of the Black Sorority - The Atlantic

https://kelseybmusic.wordpress.com/joining-a-sorority/

Problem is, many people talking about it don't know much about it. The argument is that the "white sororities" should be required to have members of other races....but there's no similar requirement for black sororities. See the problem? Maybe the PC police at HuffPost and other media outlets should be more inclusive in their demands for "diversity".

The shocking truth about the deep South states - to me at least - is the existence of groups based on race that never get mentioned in the news. Black Spring Break - Black Proms at high schools - black mardi gras groups and parades - black carnivals and black social groups - black sororities. Many of the same people attend the standard spring break celebrations - and the standard high school proms...then they turn around and Katie-bar-the-door when it comes to their special celebrations.

Maybe the media and the PC police should let college students manage their own social groups.

Maybe its do as I say but not what I do

I believe certain groups have been historically discriminated against for centuries. And we are still seeing it go on and on today.

But there comes a time where people have to be introspective and realize what they are doing damages their cause ... i.e. wanting to see diversity in some situations but in other situations it doesn't apply.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Hypocrisy kills progress.

You want Equality and that Progress? You have to apply it ALL the way around and you take the good with the bad

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Originally Posted by Kay King

The shocking truth about the deep South states - to me at least - is the existence of groups based on race that never get mentioned in the news. Black Spring Break - Black Proms at high schools - black mardi gras groups and parades - black carnivals and black social groups - black sororities. Many of the same people attend the standard spring break celebrations - and the standard high school proms...then they turn around and Katie-bar-the-door when it comes to their special celebrations.

Maybe the media and the PC police should let college students manage their own social groups.

The shocking truth about the deep South - to me at least - is that black sororities and black proms exist because black people are not welcome at the ordinary proms and sororities that white people are allowed to go to.

Back here in the Deep East, we have integrated proms and even way back when I went to a couple of proms, they were integrated proms. There was no need for black people to have separate proms.

The University of Alabama has ordered the sororities and fraternities to stop discriminating. That should be the end of it ... but hey ... it's never the end of it in the deep south.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The University of Alabama has ordered the sororities and fraternities to stop discriminating. That should be the end of it ... but hey ... it's never the end of it in the deep south.

I was raised and born in the deep South. I have always railed against the establishment as many of the older white establishment has and will always feel privileged and just "better" than Minorities.

I have voiced my allegiances against this for years. Really tiresome.

But there are many people in the "deep South" who do not feel this way.

Many young people under 60. Much like me they want to see change.

It seems like you have a strong biased toward the deep south perpetuated by someone who relies on what they here and has not actually lived there.

Like I said I know racism exist here. I am just waiting for the day for these old white men to kick the bucket and let a new more open minded generation take over

You really need to get out more and quit labelling a certain group of people in one category.

Thats how we as a society got in this mess to begin with

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

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Back here in the Deep East and in Deep South, we have integrated proms and even way back when I went to a couple of proms, they were integrated proms. There was no need for black people to have separate proms.

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Fixed that for you. Of course you would never believe that about the big bad horrible deep south. Hell, we just started wearing shoes to church five years ago LOL

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Originally Posted by discrat

It seems like you have a strong biased toward the deep south perpetuated by someone who relies on what they here and has not actually lived there.

Like I said I know racism exist here. I am just waiting for the day for these old white men to kick the bucket and let a new more open minded generation take over

Fixed that for you. Of course you would never believe that about the big bad horrible deep south. Hell, we just started wearing shoes to church five years ago LOL

You're right. I haven't lived there and never would. I'm not patient enough to wait for the racists to die off and a new generation to take over. Those dying racists in a lot of cases, have raised little racists to take their place when they're gone.

As I said, black proms and segregation is not something I am accustomed to and don't ever want to become accustomed to. So biased against certain states? Certainly there are states that I don't even want to pass through going somewhere else. The problems of racism in the deep south are well documented. They aren't a figment of anyone's imagination.

I'm certain there are non racist in the deep south, but do they make a real impact on life in the deep south for minorities? When people call ending segregation "politically correct BS ... why can't we all just have our own little groups" ... I say geeesh ... we're still hearing this stuff in 2015?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You're right. I haven't lived there and never would. I'm not patient enough to wait for the racists to die off and a new generation to take over. Those dying racists in a lot of cases, have raised little racists to take their place when they're gone.

As I said, black proms and segregation is not something I am accustomed to and don't ever want to become accustomed to. So biased against certain states? Certainly there are states that I don't even want to pass through going somewhere else. The problems of racism in the deep south are well documented. They aren't a figment of anyone's imagination.

I'm certain there are non racist in the deep south, but do they make a real impact on life in the deep south for minorities? When people call ending segregation "politically correct BS ... why can't we all just have our own little groups" ... I say geeesh ... we're still hearing this stuff in 2015?

Suzanne, the irony and hypocrisy in what you just wrote amazes me

Go ahead and stay wrapped up in your Cocoon... apparently it seems to serve you well

Your "blanket" feelings about a particular area/group of people just wreak of a certain type of bigotry in of itself. OR at least the makings of it.

Of course you would NEVER give us deep southerners a chance and really seek out to find what many of us are all about.

Your pre conceived notions are deeply ingrained and you want to stay away from us as far as possible.

Wait a second that sounds like a few Sororities we have here in the States LOL

No ?

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Originally Posted by discrat

Suzanne, the irony and hypocrisy in what you just wrote amazes me

Go ahead and stay wrapped up in your Cocoon... apparently it seems to serve you well

Your "blanket" feelings about a particular area/group of people just wreak of a certain type of bigotry in of itself. OR at least the makings of it.

It appears that you're easily amazed then. I simply don't want to live in a state that continues that battle when I've lived without it most of my life. Life is too short to wait for old racists to die. So ... you're calling that bigotry ... lol.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It appears that you're easily amazed then. I simply don't want to live in a state that continues that battle when I've lived without it most of my life. Life is too short to wait for old racists to die. So ... you're calling that bigotry ... lol.

Suzy, its not like were inundated with the KKK around every corner. My gosh. lol

Living in East Tennessee I have NEVER in my lifetime have seen an actual KKK member anywhere or anytime. Even spending a lot of time in Alabama. Never seen them

We have progressive towns with progressive Universities. A lot of liberal art colleges at least more than what most people think

You remind me of me 10 years ago.

When I met my wife in Nashville. She was from San Antonio but went to Boston University .

When we were getting serious we talked about having kids, family etc..etc..

She said it would be great to raise a family in Boston. She said it was good education system, great city etc..

I said no way. People in North are swindlers and extremely rude and obnoxious. I would never raise my kids around a bunch of .people with monotone and zero personality who are out to get everybody around them.

Fast forward a few months later. I begrudgingly went to my wife's friends wedding in Boston and New York.

I really did not want to go. I was scared of these Yankees

But you know what ? The people in Boston were some of the nicest folks I met in my Life. Ever
Just good people. I was dumbfounded. Truly I was.

They loved my southern accent and they were really interested in me and just very very nice people.

I could not believe it

Like I said anywhere you go people are just people.

There's good and bad everywhere. South, North, West etc..

Sometimes you have to get out of your comfort zone like I did to realize that

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Originally Posted by discrat

But you know what ? The people in Boston were some of the nicest folks I met in my Life. Just good people. I was dumbfounded. Truly I was.

I am certain there are plenty of good people in the deep south and there are plenty of bad people everywhere.

My point is ... segregation is a battle I don't even want to have to think about and I have lived much of my life in multi-cultural cities, with a blend of white, black, hispanic, muslim, vietnamese, Indian, you name it. That's what living around the DC Beltway is like and I like it. It's just a matter of choosing your environment and not having to fight battles you don't want to fight. It's not a matter of disliking all southerners.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Problem is, many people talking about it don't know much about it. The argument is that the "white sororities" should be required to have members of other races....but there's no similar requirement for black sororities.

Sure there is because the requirement is moral. In regard to sororities no college has any basis to deny access to an enrolled student based on skin color. If we say skin color doesn't matter and a "white" guy wants to be a part of a "black" sorority then more power to him.

However citing black sororities as a cop out for white sororities doesn't work logically. Its just an excuse. A more rational reaction would be to condemn both. In many cases minority sororities are just reactions to being locked out. Claiming that majority groups are free to lock out people of other races because they have created their own after being locked out makes no sense whatsoever.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

If we say skin color doesn't matter and a "white" guy wants to be a part of a "black" sorority then more power to him.

I'm guessing any guy would gladly join any sorority that would take them.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

I'm guessing any guy would gladly join any sorority that would take them.

Any guy that hasn't lived in a house full of women

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Any guy that hasn't lived in a house full of women

Which is why its a lot of guys fantasies to sneak in not have keys

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Which is why its a lot of guys fantasies to sneak in not have keys

I imagine a Twilight Zone episode where a guy lives his dream of living in a Sorority house, but can't escape after he realizes it's a nightmare.

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Originally Posted by bizgrower

I imagine a Twilight Zone episode where a guy lives his dream of living in a Sorority house, but can't escape after he realizes it's a nightmare.

I picture him stuck in a never ending loop of cleaning the shower drain.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I imagine a Twilight Zone episode where a guy lives his dream of living in a Sorority house, but can't escape after he realizes it's a nightmare.

Now I have "Hotel California" playing in my head...

"Welcome to the Alpha Chi Omega....such a lovely place, such a lovely place....
You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave..."

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9 years ago

Sometimes the stories don't match...

21 black women, 169 other minorities accept bids during University of Alabama sorority recruitment | AL.com

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Originally Posted by Kay King

Sometimes the stories don't match...

21 black women, 169 other minorities accept bids during University of Alabama sorority recruitment | AL.com

The stories actually do match. The sororities and fraternities were ordered by UA to cease discrimination. Your story is from a year after the Crimson White story exposed the discrimination in sororities and fraternities and it went to national news. And out of the 2,276 recruits, 21 self identified as black. Asians are also a minority and are recruited at a higher rate, most likely because they look more ... white.

So now, out of thousands, there is an estimated .4% minority members in Alabama sororities and fraternities. The particular sorority in the video may or may not have any, but one thing is clear ... they weren't on the video. But sure ... any number of minority members accepted in Alabama is some measure of progress.

Personally, I don't give a damn about that video, or what happens or doesn't happen in Alabama. If I were black .... the last place I would live is in the south. Nor would I be part of the 12% of black students in Alabama giving my college money to their universities and later on my money for taxes to live there. Move. There are better places to live.

There are no real numbers because they do not keep records of minorities in fraternities and sororities.

There is no official tally of the number of minorities in historically white Greek organizations. The umbrella groups that operate most chapters--the nation's 5,975 fraternities are governed by the North-American Interfraternity Conference and 3,127 sororities by the National Panhellenic Conference (both are based in Indianapolis)--have little incentive to record numbers that would make them look bad, and universities typically take a hands-off approach to Greek organizations, claiming they have little control over what goes on inside the houses. But they do have an incentive to promote diversity. Under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, programs and activities that receive federal financial assistance are prohibited from discriminating on the basis of race, color, and national origin. Though Alabama's Greek organizations don't directly receive public funds, because their houses sit on university-owned land, one could make a case that the university is not fulfilling its Title VI obligations. But despite knowing there were no black members in the traditionally white houses and knowing African-Americans make up 12 percent of the Alabama student body, the administration did not spur the Greek system to integrate--students did.

Discrimination at University of Alabama's Sorority Rush

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Personally, I don't give a damn about that video, or what happens or doesn't happen in Alabama. If I were black .... the last place I would live is in the south..

Partial defense of the south

No doubt about it. The south is more backward but its not universally the same. Generally its worse in rural areas and the big cities are intolerant of racism. Most of my family lives in the south without major incident. The most annoying thing (and at times worrisome because you have no guarantees what will happen next) are traffic pullovers when you drive through the "wrong " county. Had one cop recently inform me I was a drug trafficker because his dog detected an illegal substance.He wanted me to confess or he was going to search. I told him to go right ahead and search and gave him a raised eyebrow "we both know you are full of crap" look.

He got in his car and drove off. It can get a little scary because he could just as well planted something but do we love our cellphone cameras with internet uploads? Yep.

Still that was like 40 miles outside a major city (close family member that loves farm life). The south in metro areas is fine. Shucks Atlanta is the south and theres no better city for an African American to live in regard to race.

umm Alabama though? No thanks

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Partial defense of the south

No doubt about it. The south is more backward but its not universally the same. Generally its worse in rural areas and the big cities are intolerant of racism. Most of my family lives in the south without major incident. The most annoying thing (and at times worrisome because you have no guarantees what will happen next) are traffic pullovers when you drive through the "wrong " county. Had one cop recently inform me I was a drug trafficker because his dog detected an illegal substance.He wanted me to confess or he was going to search. I told him to go right ahead and search and gave him a raised eyebrow "we both know you are full of crap" look.

He got in his car and drove off. It can get a little scary because he could just as well planted something but do we love our cellphone cameras with internet uploads? Yep.

Still that was like 40 miles outside a major city (close family member that loves farm life). The south in metro areas is fine. Shucks Atlanta is the south and theres no better city for an African American to live in regard to race.

umm Alabama though? No thanks

That's a very scary situation you just described in this day when cop shooting unarmed black people is in the news way too frequently.

I know that there is a lot of progress with the younger people in the south and their attitudes. I grew up in Baltimore which was a hot bed of racial tension with riots that shut down the city for days.

When I moved to the Northern VA area, the difference was like night and day. For one, there wasn't the oppressive poverty that exists in Baltimore and a lot more jobs. Black people were seen in prosperous neighborhoods along with white. Being so close to DC, the whole area is so multi-cultural, that there's just too many nationalities to hate ... lol. So people are used to living with a really diverse range of people.

I wouldn't want to have to sort of step back in time and battle things I haven't had to battle for a long time. I have two mixed grandchildren and I'm glad that they live in Northern VA and will have a lot less discrimination to deal with. It would be heartbreaking to me to see my grandchildren not allowed to go to a prom or join a sorority or fraternity or be shunned from other places and activities.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I have two mixed grandchildren and I'm glad that they live in Northern VA and will have a lot less discrimination to deal with. It would be heartbreaking to me to see my grandchildren not allowed to go to a prom or join a sorority or fraternity or be shunned from other places and activities.

I hear you but if they ever do want to flee the cold weather they will be fine in say south Florida's Tri County area and more than fine in Atlanta. My sister lived in Maryland for quite some time and yes definitely more culturally diverse.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Partial defense of the south

No doubt about it. The south is more backward but its not universally the same. Generally its worse in rural areas and the big cities are intolerant of racism. Most of my family lives in the south without major incident. The most annoying thing (and at times worrisome because you have no guarantees what will happen next) are traffic pullovers when you drive through the "wrong " county. Had one cop recently inform me I was a drug trafficker because his dog detected an illegal substance.He wanted me to confess or he was going to search. I told him to go right ahead and search and gave him a raised eyebrow "we both know you are full of crap" look.

He got in his car and drove off. It can get a little scary because he could just as well planted something but do we love our cellphone cameras with internet uploads? Yep.

Still that was like 40 miles outside a major city (close family member that loves farm life). The south in metro areas is fine. Shucks Atlanta is the south and theres no better city for an African American to live in regard to race.

umm Alabama though? No thanks

In general that may be true, but some of the nicest people I've met were country folks in the south, black and white.
I've also had similar experiences with southern cops like you had simply because I was from New York.
My experience living in the south was in the 70's and at that time racism was very much alive and thriving. I'm not saying it's not now, but it was extremely bad back then. My roommate for awhile was born and raised in Tampa. He was a hell of a nice guy, but had what can be best described as a fear of black people. One time another friend and I were painting a house that was in the middle of the black section of Tampa. We were warned not to go there because of our skin color. Of course we ignored the warning. As a result we ended up finding the best BBQ joint I have ever gotten BBQ from. What should of been a 5 day job turned into a 15 day job

Everyday at noon we would pack up and head to the BBQ joint to spend the rest of the day eating good food and listening to the owner and his friends talk about BBQ, Blues, and women. That place was one of the very few things I miss about Fl.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

In general that may be true, but some of the nicest people I've met were country folks in the south, black and white.

No doubt but there's also no doubt whatsoever theres more racism in rural parts of the south of this country. You are not likely to illicit a lot of it to know of it.

I've also had similar experiences with southern cops like you had simply because I was from New York.
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I doubt it. I wasn't alone and he was accusing everyone in the car of being drug traffickers including an 80 year old woman. Had he searched the vehicle it would have been less obvious. The fact that he didn't was because he knew he was going off nothing but suspicion with nothing else to be suspicious of. Sure license plates will get you pulled over. Small counties do love their ticket income but there was far more to it than that.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

Now I have "Hotel California" playing in my head...

"Welcome to the Alpha Chi Omega....such a lovely place, such a lovely place....
You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave..."

Before I started managing, I worked at my hotel part-time on and off since 2008.
The owners would have employee problems and call me back. I used to call
it Hotel California.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I didn't know the black dating network and all those other organizations were funded by the state government. You know ... the government that is by the people (no matter what color they are), for the people and all that jazz.

Then there's this
University of Alabama orders sororities to end race discrimination
University of Alabama orders sororities to end race discrimination | US news | The Guardian

Not all groups are government funded. My point was this:

Had that been a video of cute hispanic or black chicks - nobody would have said a word. Whites are the only race that can't have their own groups now, and that is called reverse-discrimination. There is some idea running around that all whites are privileged, and they seem to miss the fact that there are one hella lot of poor whites that can barely keep it together. Privilege in this country wasn't a matter of color, even though in the past the privileged class was predominantly white. Not all white, though. There have always been the moneyed elite from all races here. Do you think that those black slave holding, land owners in the south were underprivileged because of their race? Actual privilege is and was a matter of money - it always has been and it always will be.

I am also not saying that minorities didn't have a hard way to go for the most part. Those that came here who already had money never became "underprivileged" though. They had everything that rich white kids had. Now you have all races in top level positions - and they're experiencing the same damned privileges the white moneyed class always did. Black lawyers have their own association. Are they really underprivileged? Really? Where do you think they live? Where do their kids go to school? What's on their plate at dinner time - where do they shop for clothes?

My whole objection to this was that the only reason people were on it so hard was because it was a bunch of cute white chicks. Had they thrown in one cute black chick and one hispanic cute chick, it still would have been a completely innane film.........yet nobody would have batted an eye at it.

Bama might be a bigoted school. I don't know that other than what I just read. What I do know is that those little girls are not of a "privileged" class or they wouldn't be going to school in Bama. They'd be at a top 5 school. Duh.
What I do know is that everyone was screaming because they were all white and mostly blond. Wrong song people.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

My whole objection to this was that the only reason people were on it so hard was because it was a bunch of cute white chicks. Had they thrown in one cute black chick and one hispanic cute chick, it still would have been a completely innane film.........yet nobody would have batted an eye at it.

Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe the reason nobody of any other race has joined them is because they don't like anyone in the sorority rather than the sorority is keeping them out?

No ... because I read and quoted the article that interviewed several very well qualified black women who were rejected for no other reason than color.

Of course if they threw in a cute hispanic or black chick or even both, it would have been a different message and a different video. But they didn't. And they are part of a publicly funded school system and the school in question has told them to cease discrimination. It's really as clear cut as that.

Whites and blacks and anything else can have whatever groups they want to have, but they cannot discriminate when the organization is publicly funded.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

. There is some idea running around that all whites are privileged, and they seem to miss the fact that there are one hella lot of poor whites that can barely keep it together.

You are confusing privilege with success. One is bestowed the other is earned

There have always been the moneyed elite from all races here. Do you think that those black slave holding, land owners in the south were underprivileged because of their race? .

The usual HeySal bull history revisionism - I'll point to the rare event where mimicking white slave owners black opportunist did the same and make racial based slavery go away from the history books (even though I know regardless they still couldn't eat. live or work among whites).

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TimPhelan

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The usual HeySal bull history revisionism - I'll point to the rare event where mimicking white slave owners black opportunist did the same and make racial based slavery go away from the history books (even though I know regardless they still couldn't eat. live or work among whites).

Yes, the black slave owners were a small percentage of the slave owners and a good amount of these were opportunists for sure. However, even this number is skewed because almost half of the black "slave owners" actually just purchased family members to buy them their freedom.

Good point about how the fact that there were some black slave owners is being used to rewrite history. It was always racial in this country.

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Kay King

9 years ago

The argument here seems to be that a sorority shot a video using pretty girls - many of them blond, all of them shapely....and since all the girls in the video are white....that sorority is racist.

I don't know the intent of that sorority video - but if you insist it's racist because all the women in it are Caucasian....aren't the sorority videos below also racist? Could it be falling for media reports designed to get attention and keep the outrage and the arguments going for a reason?

Roll Tide! 50 Beautiful AKAs Cross At The University of Alabama

12% of the bama student population is African American....is that link 'representative' of the student population?

How about these photos - pretty bama girls but where are the blonds? Is it 'racism'?

Flickriver: Photoset 'Delta Sigma Theta at the University of Alabama 2011' by Xay B.

This is a 'sorority video' from another bama sorority

The Theta Sigma Chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha...

Maybe we have to count to three and say "go" and require ALL organizations to be ALL inclusive. Or maybe we should stop falling for those who make a career out of perpetual outrage.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Or maybe we should stop falling for those who make a career out of perpetual outrage.

How about perpetual indifference? Because that's exactly what I feel about Alabama, MS and a few other totally non-racist states. But glad you found a video with people on it who don't have white skin and blonde hair from a few years ago.

You know some people do actually have experiences and opinions based on things other than the dreaded evil media.

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Kay King

9 years ago

The video was from 2013 - some of the photos were from last year.

If you saw both videos on one page on a media site....would you immediately point out the one with "blonds" as racist and ignore the other one?

Would you start to argue your "position" no matter what? I think that's exactly what a few people here would do.

This focus on sex and shock and foibles of the rich and famous is beginning to make the OT look like a social media site. Guess that's where the OT is headed and that's why we've lost some long term posters lately.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

The video was from 2013 - some of the photos were from last year.

If you saw both videos on one page on a media site....would you immediately point out the one with "blonds" as racist and ignore the other one?

Would you start to argue your "position" no matter what? I think that's exactly what a few people here would do.

This focus on sex and shock and foibles of the rich and famous is beginning to make the OT look like a social media site. Guess that's where the OT is headed and that's why we've lost some long term posters lately.

Actually, if it weren't for this thread, I wouldn't watch the videos or view the photos and I didn't watch the video or view your photos because they really are irrelevant. Rather than point out the same arguments that have already been posted, I'll save myself some time by quoting an article that sums it up rather well.

Apparently, it was news to some of our readers that there exists traditionally black Greek organizations not only at Historically Black Colleges and Universities, but also at most every major university in the country.

This brought out commenters who accused blacks of being reverse racists for having their own fraternities and sororities, and accused the reporter of being a reverse racist simply for writing about it.

Dismissing all of the ignorant hatred and name-calling in the comments, the more legitimate commenters accused blacks of being separatists, who start separate organizations that exclude whites while also demanding the right to join white organizations.

A couple of facts for the sake of context:

1. None of the traditionally black fraternities and sororities exclusively allow only blacks. Whites (and those of any other ethnicity) are welcome to apply to and join any black Greek organization.

2. The reason there are traditionally black organizations is because, for decades following the Civil War, even though blacks were free, we were not allowed to join the traditionally white organizations.

The further argument from the commenters is that we no longer live in those days where separate black sororities and fraternities are necessary, so why don't blacks just abandon those separatist organizations and apply to join the original fraternities and sororities.

So, let me get this straight ...

After more than 100 years of building identity and culture and tradition around these organizations, blacks should walk away from them because whites now say it's OK?

That makes as much sense as expecting whites to suddenly disband their organizations and pick a traditionally black organization to join.

Traditionally black doesn't mean only black; minority fraternities and sororities are not racist (Opinion from Anthony Cook) | AL.com

I seriously doubt that the topics being discussed has a single thing to do with the decline of the Warrior Forum or the reason people leave. Some of the topics are interesting, some are not ... if you don't like sex and foibles, you aren't required to participate in those threads.

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Kay King

9 years ago

because they really are irrelevant

I expect that from some people here - but surprised you would basically say you don't WANT to see anything that doesn't support the "it's racist" position you've chosen to take.

I'm tired of hearing "racist" every time something includes blacks and whites and I don't think the term has any place on a forum like this. You can't prove a negative. So you can claim all you want that a group of white women is 'racist' - which is what some are doing in this thread. But you can't do that and then decide to ignore a photo of all black women as "irrelevant" without looking biased.

Both videos/photos may be racist - or not. But the idea that you choose to label ONE and decide to ignore the other because it doesn't support your position is ridiculous to me. And, yes, I think threads like this are one reason the forum is in decline.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I expect that from some people here - but surprised you would basically say you don't WANT to see anything that doesn't support the "it's racist" position you've chosen to take.

I'm tired of hearing "racist" every time something includes blacks and whites and I don't think the term has any place on a forum like this. You can't prove a negative. So you can claim all you want that a group of white women is 'racist' - which is what some are doing in this thread. But you can't do that and then decide to ignore a photo of all black women as "irrelevant" without looking biased.

Both videos/photos may be racist - or not. But the idea that you choose to label ONE and decide to ignore the other because it doesn't support your position is ridiculous to me. And, yes, I think threads like this are one reason the forum is in decline.

The biggest factor Kay is black sororities and fraternities were created by them because they were not allowed in white sororities/fraternities in publicly funded institutions. I don't give a rat's ass what people in Alabama do or don't do as long as they are subject to the same laws that everyone else is .... Title IV for example.

If there was nothing wrong with the video, why the embarrassment and immediate pulling of it by AU/The sorority in question? If you're right, you're right and own it. Don't pull the video. I think it puts the sorority in a bad light but who cares as long as they're happy with their message and the university is comfortable with it. Apparently they weren't.

I don't care if Alabama is brimming full of racists or is quietly getting better ... it's all the same to me. The deep south holds no interest to me at all. I hear they have great BBQ, but Virginia has great BBQ and never heard of a black prom in Virginia, because we have integrated proms back here and have for as long as I can remember.

Just like you said the pedophilia thread and Jared was not interesting to you ... Alabama isn't interesting to me. Not interesting enough to attempt to download videos on slow bandwidth.

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Kay King

9 years ago

Alabama Sorority Alpha Phi Yanks Recruitment Video After Internet Uproar - ABC News

The rationale for "pulling" the video was "it was too 'hot' and depicted women in a bad way". Complaints were that it "objectified" women. It wasn't about white women vs black women until a few turned it into that - the same few sites and people who have racism as their fall back position.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Alabama Sorority Alpha Phi Yanks Recruitment Video After Internet Uproar - ABC News

The rationale for "pulling" the video was "it was too 'hot' and depicted women in a bad way". Complaints were that it "objectified" women. It wasn't about white women vs black women until a few turned it into that - the same few sites and people who have racism as their fall back position.

I don't care why they made it or why they pulled it. I think it's highly amusing that they thought that was a good recruitment video for their sorority. Like yeah ... if you're looking for women to join that have good trophy wife potential. lol.

If I were going to join a sorority, and I never even considered it, I would join one that highlighted brains, creativity, achievement, rather than one depicting girl on girl piggy back rides and blowing glitter kisses and lots of blonde hair and white negligee type clothing (or were those dresses in Alabama?)

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Alabama Sorority Alpha Phi Yanks Recruitment Video After Internet Uproar - ABC News

You might try reading your own link. You missed

criticizing the video's lack of diversity

It also quotes an op-ed piece that seemingly resulted in the decision to take down the video

'Bama sorority video worse for women than Donald Trump | AL.com

Which stated

It's a parade of white girls and blonde hair dye, coordinated clothing, bikinis and daisy dukes, glitter and kisses, bouncing bodies, euphoric hand-holding and hugging, gratuitous booty shots, and matching aviator sunglasses. It's all so racially and aesthetically homogeneous and forced, so hyper-feminine, so reductive and objectifying, so Stepford Wives: College Edition. It's all so ... unempowering.

To say it was a story hi-jacked by race card pullers when the original oped piece that in part or in full caused the video to be pulled raised the issue is just revisionism on your own part.

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discrat 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I'm tired of hearing "racist" every time something includes blacks and whites and I don't think the term has any place on a forum like this.

Why because it is too unsettling and not digestible enough for you ? lol

Maybe if we fed it to in you in "bits and pieces" that would t help poor little Kay deal with the tremendous burden bestowed upon her from hearing all this
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I'm tired of hearing "racist" every time something includes blacks and whites and I don't think the term has any place on a forum like this. You can't prove a negative. So you can claim all you want that a group of white women is 'racist' - which is what some are doing in this thread.

NO actually we aren't claiming anything..you've been provided a wealth of links to people in the sororities themselves saying the selection/approval process is/was race based. You are just in denial like you are in every thread where anyone dares to object to racism.

I for one did not assume racist by the video. I of course wondered why it lacked diversity so I did a few searches and Voila found the FACT that racism has been an issue in these sororities.

Meanwhile are you against race being discussed in the forums??? Nope. You want that but you want it in an atmosphere where the people you are talking about can't complain at racist view points. As you so succinctly put it here (in the thread I started asking simply for race based discussions to be disallowed on a business site)

there are many minorities represented on this forum. Why is it the same 2-3 people of one minority who always seem to start the racist rants here? Over- there are many minorities represented on this forum. Why is it the same 2-3 people of one minority who always seem to start the racist rants here?

the "one minority" you would like to shut up and not have the right to call you out on racism? - African Americans the primary (near 100%) minority you like to discuss.

The whole forum going down hill thing attached to this conversation just confirms what I have always said - half of the discontent in the forum has to do with missing the good old days when you could better control through friendship and sympathizers who could and could not object.

Its why I came to love you guys so much.

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The whole forum going down hill thing attached to this conversation just confirms what I have always said - half of the discontent in the forum has to do with missing the good old days when you could better control through friendship and sympathizers who could and could not object.

Its why I came to love you guys so much.

Mike,
I do not think for a second that the people who say lets get rid of Racism conversation here really are opposed to it. They are just opposed to it when it does not align with their own agendas.

Actually, I think OT is the perfect place to talk about issues like Racism

And I encourage it because it does bring up awareness and is thought provoking which is NOT a bad thing at all !

Maybe people just might learn a thing or two

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Mike,
I do not think for a second that the people who say lets get rid of Racism conversation here really are opposed to it. They are just opposed to it when it does not align with their own agendas.

Agreed but I think both you and Suzanne are misreading Kay. I initially did as well but if you go back and read it Kay is NOT claiming she is sick and tired of race based or racism conversations. She as you suggested just doesn't want to be called on a racist viewpoint - She does not want to hear the word racist in a discussion about race

I'm tired of hearing "racist" every time something includes blacks and whites and I don't think the term has any place on a forum like this. You can't prove a negative. So you can claim all you want that a group of white women is 'racist

In other words despite the evidence and situation she wants everyone to be able to express their racists views without anyone identifying them as such.

P.S. Don't think the request is outrageous either. She used to have that opportunity before which is precisely why she is attaching this issue to the forum's decline. Nowadays moderation on these issues are much more even handed so I no longer feel that these discussions have to be disallowed.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Agreed but I think both you and Suzanne are misreading Kay. I initially did as well but if you go back and read it Kay is NOT claiming she is sick and tired of race based or racism conversations. She as you suggested just doesn't want to be called on a racist viewpoint - She does not want to hear the word racist in a discussion about race

In other words despite the evidence and situation she wants everyone to be able to express their racists views without anyone identifying them as such.

P.S. Don't think the request is outrageous either. She used to have that opportunity before which is precisely why she is attaching this issue to the forum's decline. Nowadays moderation on these issues are much more even handed so I no longer feel that these discussions have to be disallowed.

I haven't particularly noticed any difference in moderation of these topics or the frequency or content of these topics. The Jared thread was closed because it ended in some petty argument about a joke. Rather than remove the petty argument, the whole thread was closed ... all or nothing. But I agree that she doesn't like it when it's called out as racism and "those few" who consistently do it are the troublemakers rather than those who make covert and not so covert racist comments.

But it seems her new approach to being called out is to say she has no interest in these conversations and they are the reason for the decline of membership on WF, which of course is pure hog wash. But in the absence of being able to be an apologist for rapists and pedophiles and racists with no push back, she would rather have the topics discontinued.

Remember when some time back, a lot of people were saying they were sick of the Claude joke hijacks? Claude's response was simply ... I'm not going to stop. Well, this is the same situation. We are all Claude and we will discuss what we want to discuss, even if that is uncomfortable for some.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Mike,
I do not think for a second that the people who say lets get rid of Racism conversation here really are opposed to it. They are just opposed to it when it does not align with their own agendas.

Actually, I think OT is the perfect place to talk about issues like Racism

And I encourage it because it does bring up awareness and is thought provoking which is NOT a bad thing at all !

Maybe people just might learn a thing or two

Well, a LOT of people have a DUMB way of looking at racism. The people that say that disagreeing with BO is racist, for example. To say such a thing IS racist, for THREE reasons!:

1. It implies that ALL blacks have a hive mind.
2. It states fat out that blacks are perfect, all others are inferior, and all know it.
3. It states all others are RACIST, and just EVIL!

I mean THINK about it! If ONE black had a different thought, it would state there is imperfection, and someone can rightfully disagree with someone on something. It ALSO states that BO is effectively a GOD because all he does is SO perfect that nobody can disagree with him on even ONE thing.

EVERY president has had detractors. EVERY SINGLE ONE! And yet this is the first tim anyone has dared to claim that every such detractor is RACIST.

Saying a thing here as I have will, by some, be considered racist. That would be silly though as you could replace black with white and it would be just as true, except that nobody ever claimed THAT was racist. Heck, white presidents have been KILLED over even relatively small disagreements. And Abraham Lincoln was NOT really assassinated, meaning as a single act of hate, but was killed to further a coup d'état. The group wanted to reunite the union, much like Lincoln, but under the SOUTHS constitution which was to specifically legalize slavery. The only reason it hasn't been more publicized is because the others pulled out. The plan was to kill various heads of state and install ones favorable to their agenda. Yet really only Lincoln died that day. It IS interesting to note that H. first popped up as wanting to do what he did, in Germany, by planning a similar coup d'état. HIS ALSO failed, but he was merely thrown in jail, and the second attempt bootstrapped what eventually happened.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I'm tired of hearing "racist" every time something includes blacks and whites and I don't think the term has any place on a forum like this.

Let's see. You don't like sex and foibles of the rich, and yet you were very active in the Jared and Cosby threads, even though drugging and raping and pedophilia can hardly be considered either sex or just foibles.

You don't like race discussions.

What else don't you like and do you really think that everyone will stop discussing these things simply because you don't like them? They happen to be the most active threads on the forum, so somebody wants to discuss them .... and I see your posts all over them.
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BTW According to: BlackDemographics.com | College & University

Outside of doctorates, the second highest group represented is BLACKS! AND, the overall percentage of blacks to whites, INCLUDING DOCTORATES, is about 9.34% That is NOT counting Asians or Hispanics, which would lower that percentage a bit. So the 12% representation by Alabama is actually HIGH. OH, and most of the degrees, overall, are going to females.

And it would be racist to say that any group should be forced to conform 100% to overall population. Since we are talking about COLLEGES here, it should be the number of accepted college students. Any serious college applicant that is a minority that wants to get into college has avenues to get into an appropriate college. If you don't know the square root of 36, and want to get into college on the strength of your math abilities, you SHOULD have trouble, whether you are white OR BLACK! So lets judge this NOT by population, but by college students. The CIA USFACT book says the USA is now about 17% black, INCLUDING ALL AGES. Of course, the number of people in jail, over/under age, with no legitimate acceptance, or that never applied, would drive that 17% percentage lower to approach what the college stats say.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The argument here seems to be that a sorority shot a video using pretty girls - many of them blond, all of them shapely....and since all the girls in the video are white....that sorority is racist.

No the argument here is that the lack of diversity is based on past racism because many of the sorority members have stepped forward and said point blank that certain races were automatically rejected. Don't let the facts confuse you though. ON these issue for some reason they never do.

12% of the bama student population is African American....is that link 'representative' of the student population?

Its 100% representative of the student population that automatically gets rejected if they don't have their own. Again the argument that because a discriminated against group goes and forms their own after being locked out it justifies the discrimination is a terribly weak one

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Oh you are saying ALL groups have to have diversity or they are bigoted?

Nah I am saying that groups with a known history of forcing non diversity and who members of the group have admitted to bigotry are

Professors, Students March Against Racism At University Of Alabama (PHOTOS)

have a problem with basic logic (rhetorical question)?

Black Dating Network.com, Assoc of Black Sociologists, Nat'l Black Nurse's Assoc, United Negro College Fund, Assoc of Black Psychologists, Amer Assoc of Blacks in Energy, Nat'l Assoc of Black Journalists, Nat'l Assoc of Black Hotel Owners, Operators & Developers, Nat'l Black Business Council
Nat'l Blac Nurses Assoc
And what's this?! National Black Chamber of Commerce.

Whats to explain? Veterans have groups from being through wars, Rape victims have groups having been raped, women have groups based on experiences they experience being women. Every single group is bonded by a common experience they alone have experienced that they are looking to recover or overcome from. IF anyone is to blame or to explain why we have Black groups it should be the people such as yourself that through your racism actually made the color of skin an experience rather than a meaningless pigment. So whats the white girls at UA sororities recovering from or the common negative experience they went through.

being white and privileged? Great! If their goal and curriculum is to work on that then I wholeheartedly concur that no other race be allowed in because they wouldn't be able to relate anyway.

You know as damned well as I do that if the black in any of those groups were changed to white - people's heads would explode and everyone would be yelling bigot

What I know "damned well" from almost every other discussion regarding race you are in is what and who you are and that you are a little (just a little) more subtle than Seasoned is with it.

Of course I wouldn't want black groups changed to white. I'd like to see groups based on color disappear entirely. For that to happen ( and it is slowly) people like you need to be even more marginalized so we can do away with your racist junk like

let them have fun, let them decide who they do and don't want in their groups by themselves.

By that little mantra we could put back up signs stating "No N****** allowed here we are just having fun"

Heres the 411 to someone who never has been in any of these black groups - their subject matter is almost entirely how to overcome your segregation and bigotry. So you (people who think like you not all whites) declared war on a skin color and then moan that the people who REACTED to your war banded together to help fight it?

Thats logical. Meanwhile there wouldn't be black anything if the same group the UA sororities belong to didn't decide long ago to make skin color the basis of being human or non human.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Whats to explain? Veterans have groups from being through wars, Rape victims have groups having been raped, women have groups based on experiences they experience being women. Every single group is So whats the white girls at UA sororities recovering from or the common negative experience they went through.

being white and privileged? Great! If their goal and curriculum is to work on that then I wholeheartedly concur that no other race be allowed in because they wouldn't be able to relate anyway.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

This thread is more disturbing all the time.

Now every video a group does has to show some sort of social value of the group. Can't just be a video of them having fun. And now every damned group has to have token members of other groups to be valid or permissible. You can no longer have a homogeneous group. You even have to watch the percentage of people with the same hair color.

Honestly, Sal. Nobody gives a crap one way or another about that sorority. A bunch of mostly blondes ...and no they were not "having fun" .... they were recruiting. Only they don't really give you any info for which to make a decision as to why exactly you would want to join that sorority (unless you like girl on girl piggy back rides)

AL.com op-ed writer A.L. Bailey wrote, "Remember all those bikini-clad, sashaying, glitter-blowing, and spontaneous piggyback-riding days of college? Me either. But according to a new video, it's a whirlwind of glitter and girl-on-girl piggyback rides at the University of Alabama's Alpha Phi house.

... and you can forget about it if you're black or hispanic or any other minority because that doesn't fly at University of Alabama.

Revolution on Sorority Row

We're talking Alabama. We're talking segregated sororities in University of Alabama. Who cares about anything in Alabama ... unless you're from Alabama.

Trying to integrate sororities there? Who would bother. It's Alabama. Why waste your time? They are what they are and they ain't what they ain't. Most of us take that video for what it's worth and wouldn't waste a minute of our time trying to change things in Alabama, including their blonde hot girl sororities (no blacks allowed pleeeeeze).

It's a great video for eye candy for the men. Nothing more.

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Lance K

9 years ago

I don't know...the whole thing seems like a well played publicity stunt to me.

Dear Prospective Students,

So sorry we have a lot of pretty, fun loving girls here. We understand if this offends you and you decide to attend a school where the prudish 5s of the world congregate (perhaps Auburn

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What? We signed every 5 star recruit we offered a scholarship? Our applications for male incoming freshmen have doubled? No way. This apology really backfired.

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bizgrower

9 years ago

I can't stop thinking about Heidi Klum and kissing booth.

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Interesting to note that the spokeswoman for the University is an alum, and blue eyed, blonde.

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bizgrower

9 years ago

"Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" should have been the background music. I think that's all it was about.
And that they don't show the women doing more academic stuff is why the University apologized. The clip is still on YouTube, just not on the Sorority's channel.

The filmmaker said the shot was “not very organized and there was a lot of improvisation that led to shots with similar looking girls.” He also said there is more diversity in the sorority than the film shows. Perhaps it could have been edited to show more diversity.
U. of Alabama sorority criticized for ‘racially-homogeneous’ recruitment video | USA TODAY College

In 2013, the University's sororities did stop segregating and 11 bids were offered to Black women.
Only 4 women accepted the offers. University Of Alabama Desegregates Sororities, But Some Students Say Racism Persists (VIDEO)

I don't know how many students at that University try to get into the fraternities and sororities,
but it will take time for the percentages of minorities in the fraternities and sororities to be representative of how many are on campus and want to be in those groups.

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Dan Riffle 9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I like Heidi Klum even more now. "All women are 10s"
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Well, there you have it, Biz. Taylor Swift is a 10. So is Rosie O'Donnell.
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- bizgrower 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle
  
  Well, there you have it, Biz. Taylor Swift is a 10. So is Rosie O'Donnell.
  
  LOL LOL LOL LOL Last night, Heidi whispered to me that she said "except Rosie and Roseann" under her breath.
  
  That's your only take away from my brilliant post? Hmmmph
  
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  Dan Riffle 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bizgrower
  
  That's your only take away from my brilliant post? Hmmmph
  
  I start tuning out once the R-word starts getting thrown around.
  
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  bizgrower 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle
  
  I start tuning out once the R-word starts getting thrown around.
  
  Wise choice.
  
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  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle
  
  Well, there you have it, Biz. Taylor Swift is a 10. So is Rosie O'Donnell.
  
  lol ... Sure they are. Neither of those are a 10 in my book and I've never been a 10 in my life.
  
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  Originally Posted by sbucciarel
  
  lol ... Sure they are. Neither of those are a 10 in my book and I've never been a 10 in my life.
  
  Hey, you can't tread on Taylor or Jessica in OT. It does not end well.
  
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seasoned

9 years ago

So a lot of them, maybe all, were WHITE. BIG DEAL! They were also likely all female! As for being all blond? I must have seen a different video. Not all were blond. As for a point to the video? WOW!

NOW, as to the racial makeup? only about 14% of the college may appear non white. How many of those may be in ANOTHER sorority? Only about 30% are in ANY sorority, so how many aren't even in this sorority?

OOPS! AKA is AFRICAN AMERICAN BASED! I imagine THEY get a lot of black members.

About 6363 in some sorority
About 890 might not appear white.

BTW have you ever looked at BET, NAACP, black churches, etc....?

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bizgrower

9 years ago

Don't call me Claude.

Seriously, two things bother me about the pulling of the video from the Sorority's site
and this thread. It ties into being "Claudes" and talking about what we want to talk about.
It's that thing called the First Amendment. It must always be supported.

The other thing is calling the filmmaker and the current Sorority members and current administrators
of that Sorority racists. We don't know enough to go there. I cannot stand being accused of something
I'd never do or be.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Don't call me Claude.

lol ....

Originally Posted by bizgrower

It's that thing called the First Amendment. It must always be supported.

The other thing is calling the filmmaker and the current Sorority members and current administrators of that Sorority racists. We don't know enough to go there. I cannot stand being accused of something I'd never do or be.

Dan

True ... we don't have a clue whether or not that sorority has a no minority policy whether stated or just implemented without being talked about. All we know it was a recruitment video highlighting a completely non-diverse group of girls showcasing their hair, bodies and lacy skimpy outfits that resembled nightware. lol. That's all I know about them and their motives.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Don't call me Claude.

Seriously, two things bother me about the pulling of the video from the Sorority's site
and this thread. It ties into being "Claudes" and talking about what we want to talk about.
It's that thing called the First Amendment. It must always be supported.

The other thing is calling the filmmaker and the current Sorority members and current administrators
of that Sorority racists. We don't know enough to go there. I cannot stand being accused of something
I'd never do or be.

Dan

Dan ??
Dan, this is Richard. Are you trying to confuse me with a new Username ??

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bizgrower

9 years ago

We don't know if that Sorority, at this moment, has any minority policy whatsoever.
Could very well be that the young woman who raced the football player is his girlfriend.

I quoted the filmmaker earlier. He stated that there are more minorities in that Sorority
than the video depicted. It was a lot of people in an amateur film shoot. A lot of confusion and spontaneity, then edited as well as film students might. (I meant to look earlier to see if the filmmaker
is a member of a minority himself. Too busy today.) Long ago, I was in a TV advertisement.
It took 5 to 6 hours to do a 30 second ad. The director was just out of school. Very chaotic and
tedious.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

lol ....

True ... we don't have a clue whether or not that sorority has a no minority policy whether stated or just implemented without being talked about. All we know it was a recruitment video highlighting a completely non-diverse group of girls showcasing their hair, bodies and lacy skimpy outfits that resembled nightware. lol. That's all I know about them and their motives.

Originally Posted by discrat

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Dan ??
Dan, this is Richard. Are you trying to confuse me with a new Username ??

I'm sure a different being than Riffle. Just have the same first name. He likes Biel. I like Swift.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

We don't know if that Sorority, at this moment, has any minority policy whatsoever.

Doesn't matter to the present makeup. We do know the lack of diversity was caused by a racist policy. Everyone rejected or accepted under that policy has not graduated from the school. The idea that all racist in the sorority disappeared in a year or two at a four year college defies common sense.

With respect to this video, it could just come down to how it was edited. I've referred to the
filmmakers' take several times.

The filmmakers take does not change the well known and by now linked to several times in this thread history of racism in those sororities. If you want to stick your head in the sand and say we don't know then you are free. I do know and so does every reporter who quoted members of the sorority saying there was an issue, some as late as last year. Could they dig up some minorities in their sorority? Possibly but when you show that many women and no minority shows up there is a lack of diversity.

Not sure how you expect the filmmakers take to make the issue go away given the facts. Of course the person behind the video is going to defend it.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

It ties into being "Claudes" and talking about what we want to talk about.
It's that thing called the First Amendment. It must always be supported.

Sorry but first you have to understand the First Amendment. The First Amendment gives you the freedom to speak not the right to be heard on any particular medium. Forums can have rules for what you cant talk about, theaters can have rules about yelling fire when there is none, television studios have the right to say "We are not giving you air time" colleges have the right to pull messages that defy their policies.

This is often confused by people. freedom of speech does not guarantee you a platform on any medium except your own mouth.

The other thing is calling the filmmaker and the current Sorority members and current administrators
of that Sorority racists. We don't know enough to go there

Says who? O f course we know enough. No one has ever pointed at one person and said this person or that particular person is racist but do we know that racism had something to do with the lack of diversity in that video?

We darn tootin do!

Its 2015 and U of A is a four year institution. If, as we know, there was an issue with racism in sororities in 2013 then do the maths. You still have another 2-3 years to say that the present make up of the sorority wasn't affected by racist policies.

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bizgrower

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sorry but first you have to understand the First Amendment. The First Amendment gives you the freedom to speak not the right to be heard on any particular medium. Forums can have rules for what you cant talk about, theaters can have rules about yelling fire when there is none, television studios have the right to say "We are not giving you air time" colleges have the right to pull messages that defy their policies.

This is often confused by people. freedom of speech does not guarantee you a platform on any medium except your own mouth.

Says who? O f course we know enough. No one has ever pointed at one person and said this person or that particular person is racist but do we know that racism had something to do with the lack of diversity in that video?

We darn tootin do!

Its 2015 and U of A is a four year institution. If, as we know, there was an issue with racism in sororities in 2013 then do the maths. You still have another 2-3 years to say that the present make up of the sorority wasn't affected by racist policies.

Not going to split hairs with you over the First Amendment.

With respect to this video, it could just come down to how it was edited. I've referred to the
filmmakers' take several times.

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hannahlist

9 years ago

What I found very interesting about that video is HOW INFINITELY CLEANER sorority houses are from frat houses.

My brother was in a fraternity in college and I've hung out with him and his friends at their houses.

Those places are complete DUMPS.

I'm not talking about the way they look during RUSH but during the summer.

Reminded me of a war zone.

My brother's fraternity house was so filthy that there was a pile of trash in the kitchen with maggots on it.

YUCK.

Despite the hard drinking, filthy house, crazy bros, my brother turned out okay though.

I'm glad.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by hannahlist

What I found very interesting about that video is HOW INFINITELY CLEANER sorority houses are from frat houses.

My brother was in a fraternity in college and I've hung out with him and his friends at their houses.

Those places are complete DUMPS.

I'm not talking about the way they look during RUSH but during the summer.

Reminded me of a war zone.

My brother's fraternity house was so filthy that there was a pile of trash in the kitchen with maggots on it.

YUCK.

Despite the hard drinking, filthy house, crazy bros, my brother turned out okay though.

I'm glad.

Well, you can't really go by fraternities and sororities. to a degree, they DO try to shoot for a certain demographic. And NO, I am NOT necessarily talking about race or ethnic group. ALSO, they may have some people that look over the area, etc... HECK, where I am working now, I went into one place, on one floor, and found it to be 100% occupied. A coworker stated that the one on the floor below us(SAME COMPANY and a seemingly IDENTICAL bathroom) was "guaranteed" to have an open stall, and was cleaner. I thought BOTH were generally clean. EACH had 3 toilets. NOW, the cafeteria has maybe 40 toilets, and you have to go to one of the farthest toilets to find one *I* would consider PASSABLE! PASSABLE means meeting my MINIMUM standards for my even getting close enough to CLEAN it!

As for the video in question, maybe the guys they had doing it were porn directors or something. If it were ME, I would have gone in a different direction. Maybe I would have had the non blonds a BIT more prominent, and would have had the members seem a BIT more reserved, and shown the common areas more, etc.... It likely would STILL be advertised as too "homogenous", but SO WHAT!?!?!? At least it would have been looked at with more respect and people wouldn't have been asking WHY they went in that direction. The video seemed more like "girls gone wild" than a sorority ad.

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Originally Posted by seasoned

The video seemed more like "girls gone wild" than a sorority ad.

Steve

lol. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw it. Girls Gone Wild.
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bizgrower

9 years ago

No Mike, not sticking my head in the sand. Just proposing that it could be that that was then and this is now. We don't know what is on the digital equivalent of the editing room floor, and in the hearts of the people involved right now!

I said before it will take time to get to minority representation with respect to how many students and minority students want to be in the Greek system and at that University.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

No Mike, not sticking my head in the sand. Just proposing that it could be that that was then and this is now. We don't know what is on the digital equivalent of the editing room floor, and in the hearts of the people involved right now!

Biz I'll make this my last post in this particular exchange because its getting repetitive. That you say you don't know doesn't make it a fact that I don't. Anyone who wants to read and follow the links provided can see that as late as last year and in full force two years ago there were big issues of racism at the sororities there. What the filmmaker says or edited is irrelevant to those well known and reported facts.

If you want to stick your head in the sand (yep) and claim that in a year or two at a four year university all racism vanished (which defies all common sense and would be unique and near miraculous given the history of racism) then be my guest but it makes no sense whatsoever.

As for the "Claudes" and free speech. They are only for it when its their own "free speech". People complaining abut the non stop derailment of threads get more flack telling them to shape up or ship out if they don't like from the "Claudes" than the people who complain about them.

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bizgrower

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Biz I'll make this my last post in this particular exchange because its getting repetitive. That you say you don't know doesn't make it a fact that I don't. Anyone who wants to read and follow the links provided can see that as late as last year and in full force two years ago there were big issues of racism at the sororities there. What the filmmaker says or edited is irrelevant to those well known and reported facts.

If you want to stick your head in the sand (yep) and claim that in a year or two at a four year university all racism vanished (which defies all common sense and would be unique and near miraculous given the history of racism) then be my guest but it makes no sense whatsoever.

As for the "Claudes" and free speech. They are only for it when its their own "free speech". People complaining abut the non stop derailment of threads get more flack telling them to shape up or ship out if they don't like from the "Claudes" than the people who complain about them.

Mike, you make unconstructive assumptions about this film and what is in my brain. I've not claimed
that racism has vanished at UA or any where else. Assumptions such as yours create more adversarial positions and do not facilitate the very change and improvement we want to see. Fin'e as well. Dan