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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Well that's really interesting ... what are people doing instead? Are they replacing it with something else?

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well that's really interesting ... what are people doing instead? Are they replacing it with something else?

Yes, they are either spending between 1000-2000k, (DVD's) to get the decent tv series and entertainment we used to get on free to air?

Or downloading the lot illegally?

Foxtel is the final nail in the coffin for Quality Australian entertainment on tv!

Unless you include Spelling Bee, geesh!

They actually interview 10 year old children, reality tv, has no limits,....unfortunately!

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Cali16

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yes, they are either spending between 1000-2000k, (DVD's) to get the decent tv series and entertainment we used to get on free to air?

Or downloading the lot illegally?

I'm guessing a lot switch to satellite dish, and / or a combination of Netflix, Hulu, and maybe Amazon Prime. Between Netflix and Hulu alone, you can watch most TV shows and movies for a nominal monthly fee - certainly far less than buying DVDs.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

I'm guessing a lot switch to satellite dish, and / or a combination of Netflix, Hulu, and maybe Amazon Prime. Between Netflix and Hulu alone, you can watch most TV shows and movies for a nominal monthly fee - certainly far less than buying DVDs.

Well maybe in the US, over here, l think that a third are downloading illegally?

With half doing it because they cannot afford any other option?

I hope that Foxtel is dying, we might get some decent entertainment back again.

Or the quality b/w movies we used to get, instead of endless living dead episodes, or other s***!

At least at midday your 5 year old can watch a talking zombie discussing brain recipes?

My tv, has been off for the last 2 weeks and counting!

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Cali16 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Well maybe in the US, over here, l think that a third are downloading illegally?

I imagine plenty are doing that here as well. As to what percentage, I've no idea.
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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

I don't watch much TV, and when I do, it's usually Pay-Per-View to catch a new movie (it's about $5 per movie here). We have something like cable through the state phone company - $15 a month for a decent variety of channels the kids like (Disney, Discovery, MTV, etc.).

I would hazard a guess that ultimately, everything is going to be served over the net on demand, so yeah, cable companies are probably on their way out (kicking and screaming and dying a slow death).

I don't watch much TV either and live in the country without a good Internet connection, so a lot of the options just wouldn't be do-able for me if I were inclined to watch a lot of TV.

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David Beroff

9 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

I would hazard a guess that ultimately, everything is going to be served over the net on demand, so yeah, cable companies are probably on their way out (kicking and screaming and dying a slow death).

Maybe.

Often, the cable provider is also the only (or one of a very few) provider(s) of Internet service for a given address. The expense to provide Internet is significantly lower than it is to provide television, so even though their gross income may fall sharply, their profit can actually increase sharply. I don't think they're complaining too loudly, at least not behind closed doors.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by David Beroff

Maybe.

Often, the cable provider is also the only (or one of a very few) provider(s) of Internet service for a given address. The expense to provide Internet is significantly lower than it is to provide television, so even though their gross income may fall sharply, their profit can actually increase sharply. I don't think they're complaining too loudly, at least not behind closed doors.

Until they aren't:

https://fiber.google.com/about/

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David Beroff

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Until they aren't:

https://fiber.google.com/about/

Long term, yes, probably. But I notice that even the mighty Google isn't starting with America's most populated cities. And while I expect them to be cheaper, it's still very expensive for them to build out this sort of infrastructure, and they're going to want reasonable return on their investment. (Didn't FiOS recently stop expanding their network for a similar cost/benefit reason?)

Furthermore, it's only cost-effective for providers to serve a certain minimum population density. Thus, you'll see direct competition in the cities, whereas if you live further out, don't hold your breath.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by David Beroff

Long term, yes, probably. But I notice that even the mighty Google isn't starting with America's most populated cities. And while I expect them to be cheaper, it's still very expensive for them to build out this sort of infrastructure, and they're going to want reasonable return on their investment. (Didn't FiOS recently stop expanding their network for a similar cost/benefit reason?)

Furthermore, it's only cost-effective for providers to serve a certain minimum population density. Thus, you'll see direct competition in the cities, whereas if you live further out, don't hold your breath.

Of course they aren't starting with the most populated areas. They're testing out the service prior to a full roll out. Google is only one example. Demand for increased broadband capacity will dictate future investment. Nobody's saying it will be tomorrow...but probably a tad before 2094.

The federal government has been bumping the idea of increased capacity along since 2009.
http://www.broadband.gov/plan/executive-summary/

It will start throwing metric craptons of tax monies at the issue if the private sector doesn't. If I recall correctly, there may even be a mandate in Obamacare related to broadband capacity for health services, which, in turn, expands access for everyone. "Dig once" constructions projects are required to lay cable as well.

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reliablecontent

9 years ago

You can get a full year of Hulu plus by buying the 12 month gift cards online for about $30. Combine that with Netflix and I pay about $125/year for more television than we can watch

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by reliablecontent

You can get a full year of Hulu plus by buying the 12 month gift cards online for about $30. Combine that with Netflix and I pay about $125/year for more television than we can watch

That's fine If your ISP doesn't cap the bandwidth & throttle popular domains. Unfortunately some of us pay DSL prices for 56K speed because there's literally no other option.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

That's fine If your ISP doesn't cap the bandwidth & throttle popular domains. Unfortunately some of us pay DSL prices for 56K speed because there's literally no other option.

This is a small issue for a burgeoning industry. It does cause some limitations, but on the user end. The number crunchers have found that enough households have access to sufficient broadband speeds to warrant investment.

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

This is a small issue for a burgeoning industry. It does cause some limitations, but on the user end. The number crunchers have found that enough households have access to sufficient broadband speeds to warrant investment.

Last I heard AT&T throttles regardless of location.

BTW, AT&T recently bought DirecTV which was a perfect match, the two worst customer services in the world become MEGA CRAP.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Last I heard AT&T throttles regardless of location.

BTW, AT&T recently bought DirecTV which was a perfect match, the two worst customer services in the world become MEGA CRAP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QplLMY2nCc4

They recently got hit with a $100,000,000 fine by the FCC for throttling unlimited smartphone plans. They may throttle their DSL, but I wouldn't recommend DSL for the cord cutter lifestyle, anyway, unless you consistently get a minimum of 4.5 mbps to stream 1080p. Drops below that will give you fits. (I haven't paid attention to DSL in over 15 years, maybe this isn't as much of an issue anymore.). For everyday use, with multiple devices hammering your connection, 20 mbps is probably sufficient.

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yukon

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

They recently got hit with a $100,000,000 fine by the FCC for throttling unlimited smartphone plans. They may throttle their DSL, but I wouldn't recommend DSL for the cord cutter lifestyle, anyway, unless you consistently get a minimum of 4.5 mbps to stream 1080p. Drops below that will give you fits. (I haven't paid attention to DSL in over 15 years, maybe this isn't as much of an issue anymore.). For everyday use, with multiple devices hammering your connection, 20 mbps is probably sufficient.

This has been going on for years where they throttle DSL bandwidth & it's still happening today. AT&T is so HUGE they have a captive audience since they reach a larger market than cable TV which is usually in town while AT&T also targets rural areas.

I don't think they've actually paid any fine & to be honest I would be surprised If they pay anything for throttling both mobile & DSL.

Keep in mind AT&T is kissing NSA butt so I'm sure they have connections that are more powerful than any judge.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

This has been going on for years where they throttle DSL bandwidth & it's still happening today. AT&T is so HUGE they have a captive audience since they reach a larger market than cable TV which is usually in town while AT&T also targets rural areas.

I don't think they've actually paid any fine & to be honest I would be surprised If they pay anything for throttling both mobile & DSL.

Keep in mind AT&T is kissing NSA butt so I'm sure they have connections that are more powerful than any judge.

What We Know About the NSA and AT&T's Spying Pact

Then I would not recommend cutting the cord for you.

AT&T, at the end of 2014, had 16MM broadband subscribers, which represented ~18% of the market. Again, this is an end user issue.

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I'm not even sure what I'm really discussing here anymore. The data shows customers are ditching cord providers and paid content providers subscriptions are increasing. The data shows the trend. Investment will follow. If AT&T doesn't service its customers, somebody will.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

This has been going on for years where they throttle DSL bandwidth & it's still happening today. AT&T is so HUGE they have a captive audience since they reach a larger market than cable TV which is usually in town while AT&T also targets rural areas.

I don't think they've actually paid any fine & to be honest I would be surprised If they pay anything for throttling both mobile & DSL.

Keep in mind AT&T is kissing NSA butt so I'm sure they have connections that are more powerful than any judge.

What We Know About the NSA and AT&T's Spying Pact

When I worked in Research at US West, we called AT&T "American Tattle Tale. That was back in the days that I was being called a "conspiracy nut" when I tried to tell people about Echelon.

I cut the cord back in 2005 when my ex and I split up. He took both TVs and I never got another one. I've never missed it. I've been to people's houses that pay over $100 a month just on TV and flipped through the channels and still wasn't able to find anything worth watching.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

All I know is, I want my MTV!

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Originally Posted by HeySal

When I worked in Research at US West, we called AT&T "American Tattle Tale. That was back in the days that I was being called a "conspiracy nut" when I tried to tell people about Echelon.

I cut the cord back in 2005 when my ex and I split up. He took both TVs and I never got another one. I've never missed it. I've been to people's houses that pay over $100 a month just on TV and flipped through the channels and still wasn't able to find anything worth watching.

No, that is it these days, a lot more free channels and still a load of s***, but at least we have more s***!

These days l run through all the channels trying to find a decent movie, 2 weeks and counting, unless l include Bicentennial Man with Robin Williams, groan, not again!

But. l hate to say it, Foxtel, (paid tv, AU) goes have a few shows that l might take a look at, and the occasional latest release movie, that isn't crap in some way, (that is pretty much all we get for free now).

I and many others are a bit p*** about how tv has gone from quality entertainment to this, but as my brother has said, (he works for a commercial station here) that producing crap is intentional, and part of controlling the masses, so much for no conspiracies!

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Ron Lafuddy

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

When I worked in Research at US West, we called AT&T "American Tattle Tale. That was back in the days that I was being called a "conspiracy nut" when I tried to tell people about Echelon.

I cut the cord back in 2005 when my ex and I split up. He took both TVs and I never got another one. I've never missed it. I've been to people's houses that pay over $100 a month just on TV and flipped through the channels and still wasn't able to find anything worth watching.

Most folks would be quite surprised at the amount of information that's collected-and made available-from the Customer Service Records.

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lanfear63 9 years ago

I have a tv in our house in TX connected to an indoor amplified antenna. This picks up broadcasted digital tv. Many channels are HD. We have 54 active channels. Quite a few of them are Hispanic or suprisingly, Chinese?

I could get an outside or attic antenna but we do get periodic drops in signal strength, the distance of broadcasting and the weather seem to be a factor. It's only a case of putting up more masts. The picture is either perfect, pixelated or not there at all.

In the UK where the distances are not so great we have about 100 digital channels or more operating, all free to air, most supported by advertising.

We have Direct TV Sat (HD) on two of our other TV's. We recently downgraded our package because the price went up from $89.99 to $115.00 in the space of several months. (no premium movie channels) We only watch a few of them anyway. The wife spends about half the time watching TV shows, the other half is streaming Netflix through both TV's.

The writings on the wall for Cable/Sat, a good net connection, say, Hulu, Amazon Prime and Netflix and the free to air channels is all you need really.
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BigFrank Banned 9 years ago

All I know is, I want my MTV!

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  Originally Posted by BigFrank
  
  All I know is, I want my MTV!
  
  Cheers. - Frank
  
  Here you go, Frank: New Music Videos, Reality TV Shows, Celebrity News, Pop Culture | MTV
  
  I'd tell you to enjoy, but I think that's impossible considering the content.
  
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  I'd tell you to enjoy, but I think that's impossible considering the content.
  
  Yes - I think I may have outgrown that - recently. :-)
  
  Cheers. - Frank
  
  P.S. I was shocked when I searched that it was still in existence, but I do recall hearing about the MTV Music Awards from time to time. God help us, all.
  
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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Between Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Sling, HBO Now, a Roku box, and a cheap digital antennae, you can get the vast, vast majority of channels you're used to for a significant discount. I'm actually right in the middle of building a website around the "cord cutter" movement.

Netflix and Hulu were harbingers of things to come. Sling and HBO Now pretty much nailed down the coffin lid.

Sling was the first (significant and legal) way to package live cable channels into an internet-deliverable service. The key component of which is access to ESPN. Cable/satellite used to be able to hold ESPN over its subscribers heads. Now they can't.

HBO was the first major cable network to allow direct subscription service on the internet, bypassing cable providers altogether. If their model is successful, it will cause significant industry disruption. Showtime has already followed suit, but has to be ordered through Hulu.

Times, they are a'changin'.

(Also, there's a ton of great internet-only series out there: Orange is the New Black, House of Cards, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Wet, Hot American Summer: The First Day of Camp, Bosch, Daredevil (along with several other Marvel/Netflix teamups), Transparent, just off the top of my head.)

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Tom Addams

9 years ago

Net Flix + Amazon + Free Online Sources = MVPD Death.

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HDRider

9 years ago

All I have is rabbit ears and a Roku box. I pay for Netflix and Amazon. Total TV bill for the month around $15.00. This is hooked up to my 70 inch HDTV. Perfect picture.

I get all the local stations in high def. Plus I have 140 Free Roku channels each with hundreds or thousands of movies and other content I can watch on demand.

Plex is a free app for Roku that you can go online and add any video to your Que and stream to your TV.

So why would I want to pay for cable or satellite, loaded with commercials , not to mention the price. Three of my friends seen my setup and did the same.

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garyv

9 years ago

What these companies are really over-looking is the under the radar softwares like KODI / XBMC and the many addons you can get with it. You can find any Movie - TV show - or Live cable channel with Kodi and the right addon.

Just go over to eBay or Amazon and look at the amount of hardware being sold with Kodi XBMC on it.

And with the rate at which cable and satellite companies have raised their prices over the last few years, people don't feel bad taking advantage.

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

Google Fiber will reach my area in 2094, I'll be waiting in the back yard under the maple tree...

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seasoned

9 years ago

OK, SINCE WHEN is a “multichannel video programming distributor” cable company? So ABC, NBC, MTV, DISNEY, ETC... were always cable companies, and FRONTIER is? And the DISH companies are?

And HERE I always thought it was the companies that have a protected cable system that they charge you to use.

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