Missed you people. Don't know why but did :-)

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Hey everyone, I have been gone for a while, I didn't stop what I do but I did stop coming here. I thought maybe I would explain and see if anyone feels the same as me.

You post and then the replies come in, everyone says, why would you? you don't want to do that? ect ect ect.

Does it just make sense for people not to post if there not going to post relevant content to a thread?

I mean if I listen to all these people that tell you, it can not be done. Your not very smart for doing that, you have to spend money to make money. There are no shortcuts ect. I would never have done the things I have been able to acomplish.

I am also to be blamed for it and the reason that I thought I should move away from the forums.

Give me your thoughts and I would like to see some old time faces in here too.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    It's an open forum. When you make a posts people are able to express themselves, freely - whether you agree with what they think and say, or not.

    It's called life. :-)

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    Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

    you have to spend money to make money. There are no shortcuts, ect
    So - are you saying that you don't believe those simple truths? Do you know something that the rest of us don't?

    Do, share! lol

    Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      So - are you saying that you don't believe those simple truths? Do you know something that the rest of us don't?

      Do, share! lol
      Take your pick

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      The Op might not realize it but the you can do it and do it without adhering to good business principles is just a WSO presell (not his but in general)
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      • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
        Reality checks are better targeted at another forum - this forum is for those with a dream. This forum is about Internet entrepreneurism and the Internet is free. Anyone can come into these forums and glean what they want or can. Those who know something can offer help and advice.

        Striking down someone's dream and aspirations is not a reality check and I'll tell you simply why.

        Because none of you offering such "reality checks" have a single notion as to the poster's actual "reality" - not of mind, not of body and not of substance.

        As a psychotherapist, even I would not venture to tell someone that they have no chance in IM without observing the individual and inquiring as to birth, environments, challenges throughout life and education. As far as I can ascertain from a post, one should only answer the query without judging a person's ability to succeed or not at this or anything for that matter.

        Colonel Sanders spent his entire adult life (some 60+ years) trying his hand at different businesses before he came up with KFC. The rest is history.

        But if he were on this forum, we would have never known KFC because someone would have told him to "Find a job! Forget business - it isn't for you!"
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          Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

          Reality checks are better targeted at another forum - this forum is for those with a dream. This forum is about Internet entrepreneurism and the Internet is free. Anyone can come into these forums and glean what they want or can. Those who know something can offer help and advice.

          Striking down someone's dream and aspirations is not a reality check and I'll tell you simply why.

          Because none of you offering such "reality checks" have a single notion as to the poster's actual "reality" - not of mind, not of body and not of substance.

          As a psychotherapist, even I would not venture to tell someone that they have no chance in IM without observing the individual and inquiring as to birth, environments, challenges throughout life and education. As far as I can ascertain from a post, one should only answer the query without judging a person's ability to succeed or not at this or anything for that matter.

          Colonel Sanders spent his entire adult life (some 60+ years) trying his hand at different businesses before he came up with KFC. The rest is history.

          But if he were on this forum, we would have never known KFC because someone would have told him to "Find a job! Forget business - it isn't for you!"
          Not that I agree with all of this, but very well said and well thought out. A different and credible perspective here that I think people in some regards cannot dispute
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

          Reality checks are better targeted at another forum.
          No, they're not. This forum needs them more than ever.

          Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

          Striking down someone's dream and aspirations is not a reality check and I'll tell you simply why.
          With all due respect, as a psychotherapist, you, of all people, should understand the value of reality checks. You should also know that they aren't automatically the same thing as "striking down someone's dream". In fact, a much-needed reality check can play a huge role in helping someone achieve a dream.

          Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

          Because none of you offering such "reality checks" have a single notion as to the poster's actual "reality" - not of mind, not of body and not of substance.
          You don't need to know everything (or even much at all) about a person to give him or her an appropriate reality check. People often reveal a lot about themselves very quickly - and even in just a few words. Then again, you should also know that as a psychotherapist.

          If someone has a completely or highly unrealistic dream or goal (and we see the latter here far too often; I could list countless threads if I had time), then providing a much-needed reality check is a good thing. It's a bit cruel, don't you think, to encourage someone to keep going in a direction that you know full well is going to lead to frustration, disappointment, and failure? That's what most of us are talking about here.

          Telling people with zero IM experience that "If you just believe in yourself" or "just work really hard" or "just take action!!!" then they can easily make $1,000,000 their first year is not helpful. It's not kind. It's not ethical. It's not being supportive. (And you don't need to know a lot - if anything - about the person to know it's an unrealistic endeavor.) And that's the sort of thing we see far too often here in thread after thread. A reality check (or several if they're stubborn or dense), however, will help them adjust their expectations - without "striking down their dream".
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          • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            A reality check (or several if they're stubborn or dense), however, will help them adjust their expectations - without "striking down their dream".
            As you demonstrate, people only SEE what they UNDERSTAND.
            People who rely on strangers on an IM Forum for their "reality" have a much bigger issue than IM.

            But not as much as they who want to believe that they are purveyors of reality for someone else.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
              Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

              As you demonstrate, people only SEE what they UNDERSTAND.
              People who rely on strangers on an IM Forum for their "reality" have a much bigger issue than IM.

              But not as much as they who want to believe that they are purveyors of reality for someone else.
              I love the little twist of irony there at the end. You are telling us like it is (sharing "reality") based on some sort of knowledge or degrees you have.

              Yet at the same time, telling us that when we do the same thing - trying to be helpful to people that are hoping to make money online when their goals are way out of whack because they don't understand while we do have some knowledge in the matter - we have big time issues.

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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

                      Where is the lie? It is all your assumptions.

                      If you look up NYS law since you have nothing better to do with your time, you will see that I DO qualify as an Authorized Psychotherapist.

                      In Florida as a Clinical Christian Counselor.

                      This is listed everywhere and I never claimed anything that isn't my LEGAL right to claim.

                      FYI - Psychotherapy was CREATED by the church...you will learn that in any typical college psychology course (as were Colleges & Universities). Any argument about my "authority" is asinine at best.

                      All colleges and universities start as unaccredited institutions and are required by law to be such until a few years of graduating classes have processed through the organization before an accreditation application and review can be applied for (but you could have also researched that). You could also research that my institution is already in the process of applying for Southeastern Regional Accreditation.

                      Most of the links you refer to are aged and have not been updated for a number of years already. And your observation that most of my reference links are dead are due to hackers that, as many, spend their lives trying destroying the work of others - I guess to the pleasure and convenience of many. But I simply took everything down in order to re-organize for future developments after having successfully defeated them.

                      My qualifications in psychotherapy are supported by the countless number of precious lives I have saved from suicide (amongst other things), many of whom were under the care of "traditional degree" psychologists. I do not need to explain myself to you or anyone in any regard.

                      It matters not to me what you "think" the fact is that my method saves lives, helps families and creates successes from failures.

                      You people seem to think that schools create intellect...lol! Study all you want and realize that the light bulb you use to read with, and that illuminates the halls of intelligentsia, was invented by individuals who did not study in College.

                      To finalize, peer review necessitates others who are previously "trained" in that field. Since I have developed that method - who are my peers? There can be none at this early stage - but only someone who understands the accreditation and peer review process can know this (this is not common knowledge).

                      For that to happen many, many years have to go by while I graduate more classes and train more professionals in this method for it to be taken and accepted as a professional method.

                      It is obvious that the only knowledge you have is nothing more than common knowledge and far removed from the reality of academia and legal requirements.

                      You question my "reverend"ship and that was never in your filthy hands to malign with your lack of knowledge! This forum allows someone to malign my ministry, and that should be removed from this forum as "religion" is not allowed and prohibited from this forum.

                      On top of that, I will not allow anyone to insult my church, ministry or testimony recklessly as you have done!
                      How DARE you!
                      She dares, because she can.

                      But moving right along, I highly recommend not getting your feathers so ruffled up in a public forum, especially if you want the light of your ministry to shine.

                      I'm pretty sure turning the other cheek may work better in that arena, as well as a little more tempering in the maturity and humility level.

                      Perhaps this was a test for you. Would you have failed or passed, being pleasing in your master's site in portraying him, or not so much?


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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                        She dares, because she can.
                        lol...Sorry Terra. I am ecstatic to say - That kind of privilege without being called on it went out the door a bit over year ago.

                        I'm pretty sure turning the other cheek may work better in that arena, as well as a little more tempering in the maturity level.
                        Your friend flame baits but its his maturity level ? Gotchya

                        Perhaps this was a test for you. Would you have failed or passed, being pleasing in your master's site in portraying him, or not so much?
                        considering his master was not always as meek and mild as the neophyte bible reader believes he might well hold up quite well.

                        Thank you for your circling the wagon contribution to your friend's flame baiting. What a certain group in the basement have been promoting and defending recently is sure to have opened some eyes to what I have been saying for a long time.

                        Much appreciated
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    Good call Cali. The Professor will no doubt find that spamming his credentials here in OT is pretty useless
                    He is using one line in his sig and you are using like what? Eight? lol..... Whose spamming who?

                    This is just the same ole circle the wagon around the Basementminati (to coin a new word) member strategy. Bullying at its finest.
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                    • Profile picture of the author discrat
                      In all due respect, not sure why uncovering some particular details on certain individuals whose intent for the most part seems quite benign is necessary, relevant, or for that matter even appropriate in a Forum like this

                      The person in question stated his opinions logically and in a reasonable manner. I do not necessarily agree with some of his assertions by a long shot.

                      However, I just do not understand why and how this unearthing of personal information comes into play on a person who has not done anything but give his strong opinion ??

                      Lets stick with the argument at hand and, until someone does something clearly shady at the expense of others, give people the benefit of the doubt !
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                  Funny thing, Mark. Our dear "professor" / "psychotherapist" doesn't appear to have a recognizable degree in anything, based on his profile here: The Rev Dr Gilberto Rosado Online expert at PrestoExperts [LivePerson company]

                  Oh my Cali....Do you feel better now?

                  The only problem with that whole entire expose into the back ground of a poster whose opinion you just don't like is that it has little to nothing to do with this thread.

                  Its all ego "you stepped on my turf of what I want to be considered the guru on so I went a digging to find something to smear you with".

                  Meanwhile most people on WF don't know your name and can't check your credentials (if they even cared - seriously how many top notched pscyhotherapists spend their days month after month here in the basement of an internet marketing forum. You might say one . I would say none. Its a rather obvious disqualifier)

                  Still check the thread title again. Its not who is a psychotherapist

                  second problem is more than one poster and some that don't even agree with his position has recognized that he stated it reasonable well (again your agreement is not the sine qua non of being reasonable). You merely went on that bad "i'll dig into you and your background personally" post because he didn't agree with you.

                  The very definition of an ad hom since this isn't a thread even remotely about qualifications necessary to be a psychotherapist


                  But at least now your holier-than-thou smugness makes total sense, although that's rather unbecoming for a "reverend", don't you think?
                  Haven't seen him being rude. He just has a different opinion and states it with confidence. Smug would be pointing to ones own (alleged)credentials to boost ones own ego in a thread that wasn't even about credentials.

                  and ummm who just did exactly that? You.

                  Meanwhile you are an expert on reverends as well? and apparently that they can't have strongly held views? Do tell

                  As an aggressive and abrasive post as you have accused anyone else of
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Making SOME money online is not impossible for most. There are systems or procedures to follow to that end. They must however be spelled out in meticulous detail for many to follow. Real step by step. Never assume any prior knowledge or understanding. A-Z or nothing. If a person can fire up a computer, surf the web and fill out online forms, they are qualified.

              If you do it targeting some existing products then fine, it can still be step by step, your only looking for duplication from them.

              It's when you say, ok, now you know the procedure, look around the web and apply it to other things, use the video making technique, make you own using the example layout. Then many people are totally lost. They cant fire up the synapses in there brain to do this, No creativity, original thought, making connections, seizing opportunities. No Aha's

              You have to lead these people to water and put the water in there mouths and make them swallow.

              Most people would be best served going for Done for you setups, where the promotion is done for you as well as the site. Then they just become passive small investors and pay so much a month and get a return.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

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            You don't need to know everything (or even much at all) about a person to give him or her an appropriate reality check. People often reveal a lot about themselves very quick - and even in just a few words. Then again, you should also know that as a psychotherapist.

            Hmmmm. You seem to be saying your view point is the only one that is right. Interesting

            although I don't agree with him on everything I do agree with Discrat that he made a reasoned post although with a differing viewpoint. I am going to have to go with him on that small point though. No psychotherapist worth their sauce does psychotherapy by online post. People even pretend to be other personalities on the internet. Judging someone by a few words isn't psychotherapy. Its quackery.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

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          As a psychotherapist, even I would not venture to tell someone that they have no chance in IM without observing the individual and inquiring as to birth, environments, challenges throughout life and education. As far as I can ascertain from a post, one should only answer the query without judging a person's ability to succeed or not at this or anything for that matter.
          Valid point and you are 100% right that there is absolutely no way on a personal level we can read anyone and say they will never make it. To the extent that anyone here does that you have a completely valid point no matter what you are hearing from the resident gurus.

          However we can say GENERALLY there are some traits that will lead toward failure and we can identify certain approaches if a post tells us their approach that is extremely unlikely to work.

          You also need to realize some are trying to combat the psychology that leads some to buy and buy into products that have no substance. This is at times mostly a make money online by telling people how to make money online board. Most of the sellers telling people "they can do it" are only telling everyone that in order to transfer the money out of the dreamers pocket into theirs.

          On one hand I do think there are people who will PROBABLY do better doing something else but then on the other I do see another group trying to make Internet marketing into this complex thing to make themselves feel more important.

          I for one don't think there are any geniuses in the make money online niche. If you put together affiliate marketing with building a list you have about 70% of what people are into here. That's not rocket science but then most people don't make it not because they are not cut out for it but because for mass success the two methods suck.
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          • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
            Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

            I love the little twist of irony there at the end. You are telling us like it is (sharing "reality") based on some sort of knowledge or degrees you have.

            Yet at the same time, telling us that when we do the same thing - trying to be helpful to people that are hoping to make money online when their goals are way out of whack because they don't understand while we do have some knowledge in the matter - we have big time issues.

            Mark
            The difference being that I present facts not attitudes or assumptions. We can better steer a person off the wrong track by presenting actionable facts and not burst their bubble with responses that offer little more than insult and humiliation - which some would boldly call a "reality check".

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Hmmmm. You seem to be saying your view point is the only one that is right. Interesting

            although I don't agree with him on everything I do agree with Discrat that he made a reasoned post although with a differing viewpoint. I am going to have to go with him on that small point though. No psychotherapist worth their sauce does psychotherapy by online post. People even pretend to be other personalities on the internet. Judging someone by a few words isn't psychotherapy. Its quackery.
            Not at all - but I have a point!

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            However we can say GENERALLY there are some traits that will lead toward failure and we can identify certain approaches if a post tells us their approach that is extremely unlikely to work.
            And given this truth and your good sense and tone, there can be no argument in presenting this reality to the OP - does not condone the commonplace condescension.

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            You also need to realize some are trying to combat the psychology that leads some to buy and buy into products that have no substance. This is at times mostly a make money online by telling people how to make money online board. Most of the sellers telling people "they can do it" are only telling everyone that in order to transfer the money out of the dreamers pocket into theirs.
            To be a generalist about it, the psychology is marketing (the only thing wrong with it is not having a quality product). I know what is going on very clearly, I just do not agree with "the end justifies the means".

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            On one hand I do think there are people who will PROBABLY do better doing something else but then on the other I do see another group trying to make Internet marketing into this complex thing to make themselves feel more important.
            Yes.... you see. Positioning as always was done in offline business for decades. Controlling the point of entry, elevating entry access, reducing the competition - all valid "business" concerns. But it fosters lazy economics that later collapses under its own weight with no one left to create, innovate or at least bring in some fresh blood into the mix.

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            I for one don't think there are any geniuses in the make money online niche. If you put together affiliate marketing with building a list you have about 70% of what people are into here. That's not rocket science but then most people don't make it not because they are not cut out for it but because for mass success the two methods suck.
            This is true, but think for a moment....we may be doing more than just that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
              First off, I have never tried to derail people's hopes and dreams for the sake of doing so. I am here because I have my own hopes and dreams and am working diligently to continue the success I've had and to build on it. I came from literally nothing - and many years ago I was as "desperate" as anyone's story we've read here.

              I've often been amazed, for example, how someone asks for help in making money quickly and is told to get a job by people with sigs that say that their product can produce a bunch of money quickly with no experience and no website and no big upfront costs.

              I've also commented to others that it seems that no one believes anyone's success stories here and if they post one they are a liar or a sig whore or whatever. We can't talk about goals, success, dreams, etc. so what is this forum for.

              Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

              The difference being that I present facts not attitudes or assumptions. We can better steer a person off the wrong track by presenting actionable facts and not burst their bubble with responses that offer little more than insult and humiliation - which some would boldly call a "reality check".
              I'd be interested to know what you consider insult or humiliation.

              My response above in this thread to the OP was a fact based post. He admitted he used people here by giving them old information so his desire that we be supportive of all the newbies and really help them or whatever is in question.

              Many of the "reality checks" I get involved with go along these lines:

              1. "How do I get traffic to my blog?" when their sig tells about boatloads of free traffic that is there for the taking. I normally say something like "why not use the system in your sig or have you not tried that? If it doesn't work, take it down and put it back once you figure out how to get traffic yourself."

              2. "Please check my website. I've put a lot of hard work in it and just need people's good advice." This happened yesterday and my advice was to take it down and start over with something they knew about before they hurt someone with their bad medical advice written in awful English. I didn't attack. He asked for advice and I gave it. If I had written anything positive at all it would have been bad - even the fact that at least he's got a website up which can be looked at as positive by some is bad in this case because he's potentially hurting others with his spammy medical "advice" website.

              3. "I'm broke, no credit, a convicted felon so I can't get a bank account or PayPal account and I need to earn $2,000 before noon on Friday (3 days away) or I'm getting evicted. I don't have a website or not sure what I can do but because of my handicap I can't go out and get a job and I have no friends or family to give me money and I've tapped out all government benefits so my only hope is to earn it online. Do you have any advice?"

              Most of the stories aren't quite that bad but many are close. What is the correct answer?

              "Just believe, work hard to find a way, get started, and stick to it and you'll succeed!!"

              "Here - follow this free WSO and it will show you how to create a WSO teaching people how to make money and I'll lend you $20 for the listing fee to help you out." What happens to the next guy that is about to be evicted that is relying on this nearly homeless guy's worthless WSO?????

              "Just get a job. There's no way you can make that money in 3 days." This isn't helpful at all since the poster pointed out his handicap and situation so getting a job, if even possible, probably won't save him by the deadline.

              "I'm not sure what to tell you. This is going to be almost impossible to do online in 3 days with no way to receive money, no experience, no existing foundation of customers or contacts, etc." This is normally my type of response when it really does seem hopeless and impossible. Is this a dream killer? Yes. But no more than the bank that won't give them an account due to a record or no more than the landlord that is going to evict him or no more than the rest of "reality." It's a bad situation but not one that can really be achieved under these circumstances online.

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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Frank, I know that through over 20 years of working online that anything is possible. Yes I know things you don't know just as you know things I do not know.

    What I do know that apparently you do not know is you can't let people say it won't work because if you listen to these people, then it won't work.

    By the way Frank, the earth is really not flat.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

      Frank, I know that through over 20 years of working online that anything is possible. Yes I know things you don't know just as you know things I do not know.
      Of course. Thanks for sharing.
      What I do know that apparently you do not know is you can't let people say it won't work because if you listen to these people, then it won't work.
      Everyone's reality, capabilities and results are different. Just because you can achieve something, does not mean others can. If that were true, everyone would reach all of their goals. They don't. That's the reality part.
      By the way Frank, the earth is really not flat.
      A trite, meaningless comment, but if it makes you feel good in some strange way that escapes me - go for it. :-)

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        [QUOTE=BigFrank;10234769]Of course. Thanks for sharing.
        Everyone's reality, capabilities and results are different. Just because you can achieve something, does not mean others can. If that were true, everyone would reach all of their goals. They don't. That's the reality part.
        A trite, meaningless comment, but if it makes you feel good in some strange way that escapes me - go for it. :-)

        Never said results would remain the same for everyone, in fact, do the same thing twice and see if you get the same results, more than likely not.

        My whole point of the thread was about naysayers and I am thinking you may be one. Don't belittle someone by telling them it is not possible, help them to achieve it to the best of everyone's ability.

        I'm not here to fight but I will tell you this, I have did many tests including here on how to make money without money and have did it. I have taught coaching classes in which I work with them and direct them to what to buy on the little money they do make to make more money.

        It is even easier now than ever. I was never a craigslist fan but do use it. I do love 5mile though and about four more apps for selling. These are great opportunities to turn peoples junk into valuable tools they can use on the web.

        I consider anything online to be online marketing, so the above includes making money. If they tell me they have nothing to sell then there has to be some service they can offer weather online or offline and make some money at.

        Anyone can though achieve the same results as someone else even if they have to reinvent the wheel to do it.
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        • Profile picture of the author @tjr
          Never said results would remain the same for everyone, in fact, do the same thing twice and see if you get the same results, more than likely not.
          Anyone can though achieve the same results as someone else even if they have to reinvent the wheel to do it.
          So, this is awkward. You can't achieve the same results, not even in two instances. Except when you totally can.
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          • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
            Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

            So, this is awkward. You can't achieve the same results, not even in two instances. Except when you totally can.
            You just need to read, (do the same thing twice and see if you get the same results) you do the same thing you will probably get different results.

            (Anyone can though achieve the same results as someone else even if they have to reinvent the wheel to do it.)
            Anyone can achieve the same results if they just try and do different things.

            Not rocket science dude but if you want to read that into it, then go for it.

            If you do something and it brings you 100 a day the first day, the second day you may only get 50, do the same thing again the next week you may get 200. To achieve the results you want you have to continuously change and try new things. I myself don't want the same results, I would like to move higher with each attempt.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

          Anyone can though achieve the same results as someone else even if they have to reinvent the wheel to do it.
          You are certainly entitled to your beliefs. What you are wholly not entitled to is the expectation that others will accept them as their own, because you think they should and if they don't, then there is something wrong with their thought process and belief system.

          Leave the narcissistic tendencies to the pros that are equipped to use them to their advantage. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author @tjr
    I don't need to read. You need to figure out what you're trying to say, organize it, then present it in a grammatically correct way.

    I think I know why you view everyone on WF as a naysayer: your skills in communication are severely lacking from this sample, and there's no feasible way for them to communicate with you.

    I'm sorry for you, I really am.
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      Thats why I buy my articles, what is your excuse, if you would of read and thought for two seconds you wouldn't of said that, and if you said that and knew then you were just a butt.
      Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

      I don't need to read. You need to figure out what you're trying to say, organize it, then present it in a grammatically correct way.

      I think I know why you view everyone on WF as a naysayer: your skills in communication are severely lacking from this sample, and there's no feasible way for them to communicate with you.

      I'm sorry for you, I really am.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    You post and then the replies come in, everyone says, why would you? you don't want to do that? ect ect ect.
    So we should just let people who come here seeking guidance throw their money away, make stupid mistakes or get taken by scammers?

    Sometimes a bone-head post will actually inspire some relevant discussion.

    Or at least some good humor.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      My whole point of the thread was about naysayers and I am thinking you may be one. Don't belittle someone by telling them it is not possible, help them to achieve it to the best of everyone's ability.
      You can jump into thread after thread telling people "you can do it" or "I know you can do it" or "just never give up" or "if you believe it - it will happen..." Be as 'positive' as you want - but don't tell other people how to answer questions here.

      I prefer to tell the truth and when someone posts a bonehead idea and asks for opinions I'm not going to lie and say "great idea". If you want to hear only kudos - talk to a mirror. If you go on a forum where many have more knowledge and experience than you - and you ask "what do you think?" - you deserve HONEST answers whether they are complimentary or not.
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    I think I see why the OP left in frustration, this thread belongs in the "Philosophy- The True Meaning of Life" category.

    Oh wait, we don't have one of those?
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Personally, I think a person would be a fool to act on any advice in this forum .. without follow up research for themselves. Asking a one paragraph or sentence question to people who don''t know you, your background or inner fortitude (b*lls) or lack thereof and acting on it is crazy.

      All I personally expect when I get or give advice is something to research on my own and make my own decision. If someone tells me it can't be done, you're crazy or you're a loser for thinking that - that's what they feel based on the information I gave them and the extent of their knowledge concerning the subject. I thank them and research it for myself.

      But I'm not quite clear why that made you leave the forum, you sound like you have more to offer than being influenced by people who say you can't do something.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        But I'm not quite clear why that made you leave the forum, you sound like you have more to offer than being influenced by people who say you can't do something.
        No one has tried to tell him that he can't do anything, but rather that not everyone can, just because he believes that they can, or should.

        That's an arrogant, presumptuous and unrealistic expectation. People should live their lives the way they see fit for themselves and leave everyone else alone to do the same.

        No one has to live up to the OP's expectations of what others are capable of achieving with their lives, in anyone else's eyes.

        I doubt the OP has much to offer as his stance is beyond selfish, although I'm sure he views himself as some great and giving humanitarian.

        There's a lot of that here and most of it is rank BS.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Some people are negative about everything - the trolls, the losers, the people that think everything is a scam, etc. I wonder why they are here at all except to cause trouble.

    These people won't ever understand different types of businesses such as those that sell digital products or those that use email or whatever. Even though these types are mostly to be avoided, sometimes they do offer good points that a wise person will pay attention to. They will give a point of view that can help us understand newbies more or how to better serve our customers.

    Then there are others that are very pro business (including marketing on the Internet), active in this forum trying to help others, etc. but that come across as negative in some cases. I would be an example of this type I think.

    Nick, In my opinion you have posted some helpful advice through the years.

    At the same time, you have to understand why this second type of people comes across as "naysayers" sometimes.

    I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and be positive and helpful but when it becomes clear that they are liars, scammers, trying to take advantage, or whatever I call them on it if appropriate.

    You admit in another post that
    I put out diamonds in the rough all the time, I use them up first but I put them out when they don't produce like they used too.
    So are you really trying to be helpful and positive and give the "little guy" a hand? Or is all your positive vibes an attempt to push people on your list so you can sell solo ads or push them to buy washed up WSOs or take other used up advice?

    After I saw your comment above a couple years ago, and some of the things you have written since then I became a naysayer about a lot of what you share. Not all but that little bit does tend to taint most of it.

    So I agree with you. Sometimes we write things and then the naysayers come along and derail a thread. Where we disagree is on the need for it to happen.

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    Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post


    You post and then the replies come in, everyone says, why would you? you don't want to do that? ect ect ect.

    Does it just make sense for people not to post if there not going to post relevant content to a thread?
    Cant understand your rational here ?? Two different things. You are saying people are questioning your assertions and thus it is irrelevant ?

    Or translation : If people do not agree with my highly intelligent, sterling, and indisputably awesome assertions well...how dare they even think about doing that to me
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  • Profile picture of the author hannahlist
    Welcome back, OP


    The best advice I can give you is if you'd like a more positive forum experience (per your definition) BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE



    Let the change begin with you.

    Be cheerfully helpful.

    Be kind.

    Be encouraging.

    This doesn't mean you should agree with something you know is false but (as I find implied in your original message) there is a way to DISAGREE and DIVERT PEOPLE TO A BETTER PATH without coming off as, shall we say, disagreeable.

    More power to you and I wish you nothing but peace, joy, and ABUNDANCE.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Be cheerfully helpful.

      Be kind.

      Be encouraging.
      This isn't the "mind forum" section - a little reality hits the fan here on occasion. Not often - but....
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        This isn't the "mind forum" section - a little reality hits the fan here on occasion. Not often - but....
        Nowhere nearly often enough.

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        • Profile picture of the author webmarketer
          In the end, it's still up to you to decide and sort it out. Would you listen to the cluster f--- of negative replies or the chorus of exhortations that give off positive vibe and energy?

          You know your strengths and weaknesses. You're in the forum to get ideas that you can use to decide for yourself--and help someone struggling or unsure along the way. Absorb what you think is useful. Lend out a hand. Laugh at the silliness.

          Oh, and if they flip the bird, do a reverse flip. That's 3 against 1.
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by webmarketer View Post

            Laugh at the silliness.
            Especially if it originates from within. :-)

            Cheers. - Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              There's a flip side to this coin.

              Yes, there are folks who can be "naysayers", but there's also the perky cheerleader types with their endless "you can do it" and "just take massive action" and "never, ever quit" chants.

              Do they not sometimes cause as much or more harm than the naysayers?
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                Do they not sometimes cause as much or more harm than the naysayers?
                Of course they do, as they create false hope and an increased sense of failure when things don't work out. It's a very selfish kind of cruelty. It may spring from good intentions, but it is usually very misplaced and ultimately quite harmful.

                Even enthusiasm should always be tempered with a dollop of reality.

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            • Profile picture of the author webmarketer
              Lap-slapping lol.


              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              Especially if it originates from within. :-)

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              • Profile picture of the author Steve B
                hustlinsmoke,

                I don't have time today to enter into the ongoing discussion, I will just say
                welcome back. I know you have much to offer.

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                • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
                  Interesting and entertaining discussion. I agree with the cruelty of giving people false hope. But on the other side of the coin I can't name a successful person who didn't have people, even experts who told them it couldn't be done, you're crazy, or just give up and other similar statements.

                  Steve Jobs, Michael Jordan, Edison, and millions of others including Joe Smoe. plus 99% of hip hop millionaires and rock stars.

                  In fact, if I don't hear one of those statements myself on occasion, that tells me I'm playing it too safe and need to stretch more.

                  But I do understand, everyone has a role to play, the ones who say ..."watch out for that cliff" and the others who say ... "you can do it if you build a bridge".
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                  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

                    Interesting and entertaining discussion. I agree with the cruelty of giving people false hope. But on the other side of the coin I can't name a successful person who didn't have people, even experts who told them it couldn't be done, you're crazy, or just give up and other similar statements.

                    Steve Jobs, Michael Jordan, Edison, and millions of others including Joe Smoe. plus 99% of hip hop millionaires and rock stars.

                    In fact, if I don't hear one of those statements myself on occasion, that tells me I'm playing it too safe and need to stretch more.

                    But I do understand, everyone has a role to play, the ones who say ..."watch out for that cliff" and the others who say ... "you can do it if you build a bridge".
                    Here's how I see it.

                    The cheerleader "you can do it" types have read some pretty good books, but have misunderstood the message.

                    Then they go around repeating things they've read in said books to people here who either have 1) no clue or 2) no ambition (both in a lot of cases). These people aren't cut from the same cloth as the Steve Jobs', Michael Jordan's, etc. of the world.

                    The message doesn't match the audience.

                    What really gets me is that somehow I found this to be the best conversation to jump into in the main forum.

                    hustlinsmoke, welcome back. If that cab that dropped you off hasn't left yet, tell it to wait. I may want a ride.
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                      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

                      If that cab that dropped you off hasn't left yet, tell it to wait. I may want a ride.
                      Well gosh. I know you're not alone in that sentiment, but perhaps it is fodder for a thread of it's own.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
          Hustlinsmoke, you've contributed a lot to this forum and helped some get started making money when they had a product but no idea how to market it, so kudos to what you have done for people here.

          Like the others who replied, I do think some people will never make it in IM, and it doesn't matter how much help you give them. They just can't get their heads around what they need to do - plus, let's face it: many people are really lazy and those type can't be helped at all except to be told to keep their job (or to rise up off their ass and get one).

          You haven't been here in awhile, but we recently had a woman pop up here whose brain meandered at every turn. Several people gave her suggestions, and that thread ran to about 5 pages (unbelievably). I guarantee you that no matter what you might think, even if you tried to mentor that woman, you would fail. (most of you know about the woman I'm writing about).

          We could bullshit every newbie who comes on here, tell them anyone can do this IM thing, and prep them for a good skinning, but it shows how many of us do care when we tell them they need to quit, and some of them really do need to quit.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cali16
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Yes, there are folks who can be "naysayers", but there's also the perky cheerleader types with their endless "you can do it" and "just take massive action" and "never, ever quit" chants.

            Do they not sometimes cause as much or more harm than the naysayers?
            They definitely do, and far more often than most people realize. Like Lance pointed out, a lot of people miss the message (of books, etc. on "positive thinking").

            There a subtle but definite line between being a "naysayer" and being someone who provides a much-needed reality check. We need more of the latter on this forum - especially lately.

            Personally, I would much prefer people give me a blunt reality check if I'm headed in a direction that's futile. Telling me to "just keep focused", "you can do it", blah, blah, blah if it's a pointless or bad idea is not helpful.

            Taking action will get you absolutely nowhere - and potentially cost you a tremendous amount of time, energy, and money - if the action itself is futile. You can rock in a rocking chair until the cows come home - but you're going to stay stuck in the same spot no matter how long or how hard you rock that chair!

            Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

            We could bullshit every newbie who comes on here, tell them anyone can do this IM thing, and prep them for a good skinning, but it shows how many of us do care when we tell them they need to quit, and some of them really do need to quit.
            Excellent post, Joan!!!

            I'd wager the vast majority of people aren't cut out for IM or being self-employed in general. I'm not saying they shouldn't test the waters, and yes, some people who could succeed give up too soon, only to miss out on the success they could have had. And sometimes it's very difficult to determine who has what it takes and who doesn't.

            But there are some individuals who clearly don't have what it takes. The woman in the thread you referenced is a perfect example of someone who needs to keep her day job.

            No one will deny that you're far more likely to succeed if you 1) believe in yourself, 2) believe that something can be done, and 3) take consistent action. If I apply that to a realistic goal, I'm likely to reach it (I've done it many times in my life).

            But I guarantee those three factors won't help me one bit if my goal is, say, to make $10,000,000 in the next hour. Ain't gonna happen (and yet many LOA enthusiasts and "positive thinking" fanatics will say nothing's impossible, with the right mindset, beliefs, etc. - even something as ridiculous as that...). It's that type of "support" and "cheerleading" that isn't helpful to anyone.
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