Two Recent Deaths

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I was thinking of this much of today. And another thread, the one by Steve Wagenheim made me decide to post this. So...blame Steve.

A few months ago, I was thinking about my best friend. He was a man twenty years older than I am, and about the kindest man I've ever known. He was a mentor to me when I was selling vacuum cleaners, and we spent a lot of time, visiting each other's stores. (We both owned vacuum cleaner stores. I still do)

I hadn't heard from him for a few years, and mentioned it to my son, who was visiting me.
My son looked up my friend's name on Google and found that he had died a few months ago. I was unaware of the death, and hadn't attended the funeral.

I had a childhood friend, who started visiting me semi regularly, several years ago. I had done something with my life, and he hadn't. In his 50s, he still rented, had an old car, constantly was scrounging for money, and "borrowed" money from me, on every visit. We were friends as kids, but he turned into a small time thief, stealing from me and others I knew. Every time I saw him, it was another scam he wanted money for, some other emergency that needed taken care of. He knew I studied Kung Fu for years, and when we went out for a beer, he would try to pick a fight, so I would come to rescue his worthless self. One night I warned him that if he picked a fight, I'd watch the guy beat him to a pulp, and not interfere. And I meant it. But I'd known him all my life, so I'd always forgive him, for any transgressions. I paid some of his gambling debts, even after I caught him stealing from my cash register.

About 3 years ago, he showed up, and wanted to stay at my home . My wife didn't like him (for good reason), and so I told him No. Of course, he really needed money, so I gave him money for a hotel room, food, and a little to get back on his feet. He spent the next several days, blowing the money on booze and cocaine.....without my knowledge.

He called and told me that it was my fault, because I didn't take him in. I had enough, and told him to never call me again. He didn't. He was about 57 years old at the time.

I decided to Google his name to see if he ever went to prison. or was killed. Yup, he killed himself a few years ago. a few months after I told him to go away.

Now, here's why I brought these two stories up; The first story is about a dear friend, that I truly loved. And the second story is about a man with virtually no redeeming qualities. In fact, the last several years...I didn't even like him. I just felt obligated to be nice to him, because we were friends in school.

My beloved mentor friend? I miss him less than my worthless old friend. In fact, his death doesn't bother me much at all. Sure, a tear was shed when I found out...but that was about it. He led a very full rewarding life. He was loved by many, and had more personal integrity than any other man I've ever met. He was like a father to me.

But to me, his passing was just the natural order of things. I think he was 80, when he passed away.

My other "friend" just made me angry. And it angers me every time I think about it. I don't blame myself, I blame him. And I think about all the people he hurt along the way. His suicide didn't shock me. I imagine at the end, he was just blaming others for his trouble, like always.

Still, it bothers me. I think of it a little every day. Maybe what bothers me the most, is that I know if he called me a week after I hung up on him...he would have told me a joke, and all would have been forgiven...and he'd still be scamming, and leeching off old friends.

Weird.
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  • A most surprising story, perhaps the lovable rouge factor about him enthralled you (and his humour) and it represented a little danger, unpredictability and intrigue, we all like that now and again. Plus the nostalgia of an early part of your life. How was he back then one wonders? Did you feel like you owed him one for something.He must have been a character, a lot of fun

    Yep the other guy was great, stable and helpful to you early on but did not need any help from you or feel the need to seek you out to inform you of his pending demise.

    .My fathers life long friend distanced himself from my dad when he found out he had cancer and a few months to live. He did not want him to come to the funeral. People can be strange but perhaps he just wanted to be remembered as he was, just six months earlier he had visited and was fit and healthy.
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  • Well, it WOULD have been nice if you had more contact with your mentor, etc.... Maybe things would have been better all around. At this point, there is no reason to kick yourself for it, and he would certainly have forgiven you for not attending the funeral, that you knew nothing about.

    The SECOND guy is the typical conman. Although not often discussed, the first people they con are often friends and relatives. Try to forget the "good" times, etc... It is just a way to get you to forgive and/or forget, so you will trust them again.

    Steve
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    • It seems there are all kinds of people in the world, Claude, and I don't see it changing. Just within the last three years, there has been a tremendous number of people, family, friends, former co-workers, etc. that have passed away. Some old age, couple from surgery, cancer, tragedy, a few suicides, and at least one con man among them.

      It does seem the older you get, the more people you know that pass away. It's just a fact of life, except in my case, it's hard to believe just how many.

      I couldn't even begin to guess correctly their thought processes that left your former friend and the one con man I knew in such dire straits. I did not attend the con man's funeral, which was local. You can't help people who refuse to help themselves, even with sound advice and a hand out.

      Perhaps a professional could help, but I'm not trained for that. People who steal from you need to be forgiven, their crimes against you should not be carried with you or burden you in your life. People who are stolen from often need to just cut off any relationship before they aid and abet the con's lifestyle and, of course, to protect themselves and their own family from any further harm. Your con friend blaming your refusal to stay with you on what he did just proved he was still attempting to con you.
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  • My advice, Claude: learn to let it bother you less and less until it only bothers you a little. Since it always will.

    Some people are possessed of a self-destructive nature (for plenty of insight, read the Mayor of Casterbridge, Thomas Hardy, if you haven't already) and no matter what others do for them, they will almost always self-destruct in the end. I expect Ernest Hemingway knew a Claude or two. In the end, the gun barrels won. And they have a habit of doing so, and for good reason. The Claudes can make things better for a little while. A little while. But self-destruction never lays dormant for long. The thing is, you see, gun barrels can make things better for ever.

    What you did for your old friend was all you could do, all anyone could do. While he was around, you made things better. We all only have a short time on the planet. And every hour of every day is filled with good and bad. Without you, your friend would have had less good. But for some people, and it sounds like this applies to your friend, a destructive end is a destination set in stone. Keep in mind my first bit of advice, if you like, and if you do, keep in mind that because of you he had more good than bad.

    Some people literally cannot be saved. They can only be given some good while they're around.

    - Tom
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  • I don't have time for an elaborate response, so I'll be short and sweet: I think the difference is one man led a rich, full life. The other squandered his. It's easier to accept death when we feel as though accomplishments were vast. Conversely, it can be maddening to watch someone squander their life as we recognize life as our most cherished asset.

    This can probably be boiled down to transference. We see ourselves in our dead. We question our own mortality when others die. We see ourselves in their dead faces and question whether we would be happy if their final stories were our own.
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    • I just dread the day when one of you dies and leaves the other one hanging on his own to grudgingly wade thru this hell hole we call Life

      In some warped and convoluted manner, you two have fostered and supplied deep seated meaning to each others' Lives and this should not be discounted in the least

      A sad day indeed....when there will be a 'Riffle-less' life for a Whitacre Or a 'Whitacre-less' life for a Riffle
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    • Very insightful, and true.




      I know that this is a pretty universal interpretation. And I know that it's almost always true.
      But I have no dread of my own mortality. In fact, it doesn't bother me at all.

      There is no transference taking place. My last few posts may read like I have a sense of empathy, but I really don't. I can like someone, even love them..without feeling empathy.

      But I appreciate that you gave it some thought.
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    I was thinking of this much of today. And another thread, the one by Steve Wagenheim made me decide to post this. So...blame Steve. A few months ago, I was thinking about my best friend. He was a man twenty years older than I am, and about the kindest man I've ever known. He was a mentor to me when I was selling vacuum cleaners, and we spent a lot of time, visiting each other's stores. (We both owned vacuum cleaner stores. I still do)