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It didn't take long. The CTs (Conspiracy Theorists) are coming out with the idea that Ahmed didn't invent anything, just pulled apart a commercial clock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=221&v=CEmSwJTqpgY

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    Let me start this off by saying - who cares?

    He's a kid - he got on the news because his teacher is an idiot...and it was probably a slow news day.

    It was the media that turned the story into a "he's a genius and built this amazing clock" - not the kid himself. I saw his interview and he never claimed to have "invented a clock" - he said he "built a clock".
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    Originally Posted by joe golfer View Post

    It didn't take long. The CTs (Conspiracy Theorists) are coming out with the idea that Ahmed didn't invent anything, just pulled apart a commercial clock.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=221&v=CEmSwJTqpgY

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    Thought that as soon as I saw it on the news. You can buy a digital clock mechanism with hands for about 8 bucks and mount it in any thing, just bore a hole, your done.

    No invention here, just artistic creativity.

    I created a concept (and sold a few) where I would generate a nice looking (astrological) birth chart in color, then printed and mounted in a frame with digital clock mechanism poking through the 12 division wheel chart. Instant clock.
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    That poor kid is going through heck. People just need to leave him alone.
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    Not sure what site it was from because I didn't care enough to read any further - but somewhere on the net is an article that his older sister had threatened to bomb a school before, so that would make the concern pretty valid. It could have just been radical hocum, too. As I said - I only read the headline and didn't see what site it was from. Just really don't care about this one. We've got all sorts of Jihad in the country now and they train their kids to kill. If someone thinks that might be going on with a kid, especially in a public school system, they are extremely justified in finding out for sure.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Not sure what site it was from because I didn't care enough to read any further - but somewhere on the net is an article that his older sister had threatened to bomb a school before, so that would make the concern pretty valid. It could have just been radical hocum, too. As I said - I only read the headline and didn't see what site it was from.
      Yeah ... that's really legit. Don't know where it came from and didn't read it but she's a bomber. lol.

      It was Brietbart. That's all I need to know.

      The sister claimed after the arrest that she had been suspended from a school for several days. "I got suspended from school for three days from this stupid same district, from this girl saying I wanted to blow up the school, something I had nothing to do with," she said, without providing evidence or proof.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Not sure what site it was from because I didn't care enough to read any further - but somewhere on the net is an article that his older sister had threatened to bomb a school before, so that would make the concern pretty valid. It could have just been radical hocum, too. As I said - I only read the headline and didn't see what site it was from. Just really don't care about this one. We've got all sorts of Jihad in the country now and they train their kids to kill. If someone thinks that might be going on with a kid, especially in a public school system, they are extremely justified in finding out for sure.
      Sal;

      To be fair, you are right. You never said it was true. And here is what I got out of your post.

      This post is almost a perfect example of a post that we can interpret a couple of ways, depending on how we already think.

      To be completely honest, the first time I read this, my thought was, "I wish Sal wouldn't try to accuse someone based on almost nothing". That's what I was thinking. Then, after I read your next post, I read your first post again.

      And I was wrong. I read things into your post. Even though I didn't say anything to you...I was thinking it, so I apologize.

      What prompted this post? It angered me that my thinking wasn't clearer, and my interpretation of what was said, wasn't more objective.

      So again, Sorry, My Dear.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Sal;

        To be fair, you are right. You never said it was true. And here is what I got out of your post.

        This post is almost a perfect example of a post that we can interpret a couple of ways, depending on how we already think.

        To be completely honest, the first time I read this, my thought was, "I wish Sal wouldn't try to accuse someone based on almost nothing". That's what I was thinking. Then, after I read your next post, I read your first post again.

        And I was wrong. I read things into your post. Even though I didn't say anything to you...I was thinking it, so I apologize.

        What prompted this post? It angered me that my thinking wasn't clearer, and my interpretation of what was said, wasn't more objective.

        So again, Sorry, My Dear.
        Not a problem. We all do that at least sometimes. Frankly - I still don't know what happened in this issue. LOL. I know a kid claimed to build something and that he ended up being interrogated, then someone wrote an article that his sister threatened to bomb a school. That's ALL I know about it.

        My Muslim comments were a beside the point because of a flair up in my home state over an issue that I found out about when talking to my dad and today and later shared a post about something in the same town and asked my friends back home what they were doing about it. I don't even know if the kid in this issue is Muslim or what. So....it just associated in my head.

        All I got from this thread is that a kid built a clock and someone thought it was, or it was actually, a bomb.

        That's ALL I know - haven't gone to any links and I'm not gonna. If this is another gun, drug, muslim, or crazed school board issue or what -- I just don't give a rip. I posted that there's something being said online solely for those who are interested to go find and figure out.

        Carry on without me now. I'm already in an argument in FB that's gotten rather tedious.
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    Ah. yes. An article posted "somewhere" on the internet. It must be true then.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Ah. yes. An article posted "somewhere" on the internet. It must be true then.
      The hysteria over here has gone beyond ridiculous. Any little thing on the Internet that promotes hatred towards a particular religion, even though not true, is taken as gospel and justification for that hatred. Funny thing is when you point it out with actual facts the comment is "oh you just found that on the Internet".
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      I looked it up.

      It was on Breitbart - and the story about the sister was put in a negative light because the kids parents refused to allow the school record to be released to the media. I agree with the parents. The sister (now 18) said:

      “I got suspended from school for three days from this stupid same district, from this girl saying I wanted to blow up the school, something I had nothing to do with,” she said, without providing evidence or proof.
      What kind of "evidence of proof" does the blog expert her to provide? How do you prove you didn't do something???

      I don't blame the parents for telling the media to take a hike - sounds to me like the main goal is to remove the school from any liability.

      Dan's a better person than I am - he posted the link....I commentaried...
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post


      Dan; This isn't directed at you. You gave no commentary.

      It's this kind of "news" that scares me.

      The sister didn't "admit " anything. She said that a classmate reported her. The sister didn't threaten to bomb the school. She's a Muslim. In Texas. Of course she must be a terrorist. Of course she scares her school mates.

      I did a search for the quote the girl gave. I see it on dozens of political websites. But not on real news websites. But then, I only looked at the first ten listings.

      But even if the girl said everything in the "article". She is essentially saying, "Yes, I was also hassled because of my religion"

      Of course, why would they be in Texas anyway? It seems like one of the few states where this kind of thing is far more likely to happen.
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Thanks for the link. Very sensible of you to offer "zero commentary."
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      It's this kind of "news" that scares me.
      It scares me more that there are people out there who get their news from sites like that one..
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    He brings a fake bomb to school, keeps bringing it to classrooms after his early teacher suggested he shouldn't, now we find out his sister was suspended a few yrs ago for threatening to bomb the school. Father an activist running for office of a muslim country.

    Just a typical American family, ho hum, after fake bombs and bomb threats, those silly kids!. just might toilet paper someone next time. Happens in every American family, right? haha.
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    Yeah.um.I didn't say it was true - in fact I stated it might just be radical hocum -- all I said was I saw the headline. I know nothing about this story other than what I just read here or headlines I've seen ..............because I just didn't give a rat about the issue. Just sayin' that if there was reason for concern, they should check into it.

    Mostly all it took to get me uninterested in it was the word "school" because our schools are doing some pretty weird shyte lately.
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    I wonder how many people would whine about the teacher If the teacher was right with the first opinion & shrugged it off as a clock.

    Assuming the teacher isn't MacGyver.

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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I wonder how many people would whine about the teacher If the teacher was right with the first opinion & shrugged it off as a clock.
      Interesting question.

      Another question along the same lines is, would the teacher have assumed it could be a bomb if the kid who brought it in was a blonde haired, blue eyed follower of another religion called John Smith?
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Interesting question.

        Another question along the same lines is, would the teacher have assumed it could be a bomb if the kid who brought it in was a blonde haired blue eyed follower of another religion who was called John Smith?
        My bet, in today's society, is yes.
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Interesting question.

        Another question along the same lines is, would the teacher have assumed it could be a bomb if the kid who brought it in was a blonde haired blue eyed follower of another religion who was called John Smith?
        Quoting the principle that wanted to expel, not suspend, but expel my blonde, blue eyed, (at the time) 15 year old step-daughter from school for muttering she wanted to punch her teacher in the nose (for confiscating her cell phone before school hours) "Sense 9/11 and Columbine we have to take these things very seriously"'. So I'd say yes
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          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Quoting the principle that wanted to expel, not suspend, but expel my blonde, blue eyed, (at the time) 15 year old step-daughter from school for muttering she wanted to punch her teacher in the nose (for confiscating her cell phone before school hours) "Sense 9/11 and Columbine we have to take these things very seriously"'. So I'd say yes
          What?

          Things go wrong for other people?

          This is absurd!
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            What?

            Things go wrong for other people?

            This is absurd!
            Some day I'll have to tell you about the hearing I had to go to for that
            Let's just say she didn't get expelled, but did get a cost free tutor to help her get caught up from the time between the incident and hearing that she was suspended
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Interesting question.

        Another question along the same lines is, would the teacher have assumed it could be a bomb if the kid who brought it in was a blonde haired blue eyed follower of another religion who was called John Smith?
        I think that's irrelevant considering the situation was passed on to multiple people. I'm guessing the teacher, security guard & principle aren't involved in some back woods cult with a chip on their shoulders trying to rule the world.

        Nothing suspicious going on here (image below)... looks like a regular clock in a briefcase.






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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Since there's nothing in there that looks even remotely like it could blow up (Dynamite, cemtex, etc.), my reaction to seeing it wouldn't be "Sh*t, it's a bomb!!!", it'd be "WTF is that?". The religion/ethnicity/race of the kid who brought it in is the irrelevant part.
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            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            Since there's nothing in there that looks even remotely like it could blow up (Dynamite, cemtex, etc.), my reaction to seeing it wouldn't be "Sh*t, it's a bomb!!!", it'd be "WTF is that?". The religion/ethnicity/race of the kid who brought it in is the irrelevant part.
            Yeah ... I would expect objects that are explosives to be in a bomb rather than a little circuit board thingy and some wires. lol.

            But nevertheless ... I don't blame them for caution. I do blame the school for not being big enough to say sorry ahmed ... we were wrong. Please come back and accept our heartfelt apologies.
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            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            Since there's nothing in there that looks even remotely like it could blow up (Dynamite, cemtex, etc.), my reaction to seeing it wouldn't be "Sh*t, it's a bomb!!!", it'd be "WTF is that?". The religion/ethnicity/race of the kid who brought it in is the irrelevant part.
            That's naive considering you don't know what's behind the red panel or the lining in the briefcase. Go ahead, start pulling on wires.

            It's amusing to read what folks post in order to conform with social acceptance. Doesn't mean it's logical but still fun to watch.

            Not that I think it's an issue but what's the race/religion of the teacher? I keep seeing the students image all over the web milking the media but where's the teachers image? See, no problem.

            The race/religion card is the easiest to play. We need new cards, this deck is stacked.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              That's naive considering you don't know what's behind the red panel or the lining in the briefcase. Go ahead, start pulling on wires.
              Refer to post #38 for the reasons why, if it was a bomb, you wouldn't be around to pull wires or even see the red panel.
              The race/religion card is the easiest to play. We need new cards, this deck is stacked.
              No argument from me on that one. It seems to be used by both the offensive and the defensive sides far too often.
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                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                Another point.

                If the kid had actually brought a bomb into school, he definitely wouldn't have opened it for inspection. Any request, or even demand, to see what was inside would've caused him to immediately set it off. In fact, opening it up would've probably detonated it.
                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                Refer to post #38 for the reasons why, if it was a bomb, you wouldn't be around to pull wires or even see the red panel.
                If the kid was crazy he wouldn't be doing much of anything considered rational. I'm not saying that specific boy is crazy just that there's crazy people in this world that don't adhere to the same thought process as most halfway civilized people.

                Kids are human, they can snap just like anyone else. Now add a Die Hard briefcase movie prop to the already tense school situation where there's a history of crazies across the whole country, not exactly a picnic for anyone involved.

                I don't care If he's from Machu Picchu, he brought a suspicious package into a school & refused to take the teacher serious. Luckily it wasn't anything more than bad decision making by the student & parents.

                The teacher deserves a thanks from the rest of the kids parents for being cautious. Keep in mind copycats watch the media, look at Arizona (3 Teens Arrested in 'Copycat' of Arizona Freeway Shootings). Hopefully teachers never let their guard down out of fear of another media witch hunt.
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                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Hopefully teachers never let their guard down out of fear of another media witch hunt.
                  ... and hopefully, Ahmed will meet teachers elsewhere who are big enough to admit when they are wrong.
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                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    ... and hopefully, Ahmed will meet teachers elsewhere who are big enough to admit when they are wrong.
                    Maybe he'll learn to leave the luggage at home.
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                      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                      Maybe he'll learn to leave the luggage at home.
                      Or maybe he'll now have an opportunity to go to a school that encourages invention and thought outside of the mundane crap that is taught in public schools by mediocre men and women who call themselves teachers.
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                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        Or maybe he'll now have an opportunity to go to a school that encourages invention and thought outside of the mundane crap that is taught in public schools by mediocre men and women who call themselves teachers.
                        I didn't realize he invented clocks.

                        I guess I can use this old sundial for a boat anchor now.
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                          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                          I didn't realize he invented clocks.

                          I guess I can use this old sundial for a boat anchor now.
                          Didn't say that he invented clocks, but under that school teachers tutelage, he'd be lucky to put food in the microwave to "invent" a tv dinner.

                          He wants to invent things. He likes making things. That should be encouraged, unless of course you'd prefer that he was marginalized all his life until he really wants to make a bomb.
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                            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                            Didn't say that he invented clocks, but under that school teachers tutelage, he'd be lucky to put food in the microwave to "invent" a tv dinner.

                            He wants to invent things. He likes making things. That should be encouraged, unless of course you'd prefer that he was marginalized all his life until he really wants to make a bomb.
                            I once knew a guy that pulled an EPROM out of the SCHOOL computer, pulled off the label, and noticed the window. He started showing people all over the school. As I told him....

                            1. It is STATIC SENSITIVE, so you likely damaged it!
                            2. The window is to allow ultraviolet light in to erase the chip, so you are hurting it by exposing it to light.

                            LATER, he PROUDLY showed people his big and COLD soldering job!

                            So what happened with him? He copied his "mentor", and caused a local state university a lot of grief. They kicked him off the campus, and told him to SCRAM! He became world famous, in a way, for being an incompetent nuisance. But HEY! When he got in trouble, he just made a deal with the feds to entrap his mentor! I believe he was in jail, at one point, but I wouldn't have cried if he were.

                            Anyway, Ahmed sounds like he is similar to that guy I will just call LD.

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                            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                              Steve; I read your last three posts. After I regained consciousness... (Sorry, I always go for the joke)..

                              I was fascinated that out of the entire story, all the implications, all the viewpoints we can take....

                              You concentrate on how well he made the clock, and how a clock is constructed.

                              To be fair, I know nothing about it. And you obviously do.

                              It would be interesting to me, if I saw both of our brain scans. I would be interested to know if we have completely different areas activated when we think about the same thing, or exactly the same areas.

                              I suspect it's one way or the other. Either result would be revealing.


                              Added later; I just reread this post, and I think it could have come across as insulting. I actually didn't mean it that way. I was just fascinated by what you were attracted to comment on.
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                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                Steve; I read your last three posts. After I regained consciousness... (Sorry, I always go for the joke)..

                                I was fascinated that out of the entire story, all the implications, all the viewpoints we can take....

                                You concentrate on how well he made the clock, and how a clock is constructed.

                                To be fair, I know nothing about it. And you obviously do.

                                It would be interesting to me, if I saw both of our brain scans. I would be interested to know if we have completely different areas activated when we think about the same thing, or exactly the same areas.

                                I suspect it's one way or the other. Either result would be revealing.
                                I wasn't telling how a clock was constructed, but how electronic components today are traditionally tied together.

                                Trying to do point to point wiring, especially today, would be cumbersome, messy, and unreliable, so they DON'T! Trying to DRAW or print a circuit on a board is LIKEWISE overly complicated, so they don't do that. My first professional job was as a PC board inspector, so I even got to see how the PROS do it, and it is JUST like the hobbyist.

                                FIRST, for high density realestate, you NEED a PC(Printed circuit) board. Since trying to do such a thing would be LUDICROUS, they do it BACKWARDS!

                                1. They use a BLANK which is covered on all circuit sides with metal(usually COPPER).
                                2. They cover it with a photosensitive etch resistant dye, that comes off easily if exposed to light.
                                3. They take a NEGATIVE of the circuit layout they want, and use it to expose the board to light, in a darkroom, and remove the negative.
                                4. as a PC board inspector, my job was to touch up inperfections at this point.
                                5. They use a solvent to remove the etch resist, but it does NOT remove the stuff NOT exposed to light.
                                6. They use a light acidic bath to remove the EXPOSED copper.
                                7. Drill holes in the right spots

                                THIS is where the hobbyist NORMALLY STOPS!!!!!!! After all, that is all they need!

                                8. A professional place MIGHT then use ANOTHER pattern, to RE-COVER the board, so that only things like the solder pads show. This is called soldermasking. I actually researched a few places earlier, because I was curious. They DO charge extra for soldermasking.

                                Don't even get me started with multilayer boards. THIS starts to have problems at TWO layers, and THAT is where most hobbyists stop. SOME have 13 layers, possibly more!

                                And even the idea of soldering! He might not have ANY idea what is involved. Right off the top of my head I could ask 5 or 10 questions that even some licensed electricians would FLUNK! Someone soldering ICs, or even transistors, better know the answers though.

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                                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                                  As a child my brother was a whiz with electronics. He would take things apart, look at them and then put them back together but have parts left over. Crazy thing was - the items still worked and in some cases worked BETTER.

                                  I thought it was brilliant to be able to make something work with fewer parts - but our mother's view was - "if those parts weren't supposed to be there, they would not have been there - now put them back in"...

                                  My brother was "the good kid" so he'd take the thing apart and put those extra parts back in....till one day when he'd just heard enough. He had just rebuilt a broken toaster - fixed it AND had 3 little pieces left over. Mother started on the "if those parts....blah de blah" and he picked up the little pieces - dropped them in the toaster slot and said "there". Only time I ever saw him stand up to her.

                                  I never understood how he could look at things and understand them - he didn't understand how I could take words and make them mean something. He fixed stuff for me - I wrote papers for him. It worked!
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                                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                                    As a child my brother was a whiz with electronics. He would take things apart, look at them and then put them back together but have parts left over. Crazy thing was - the items still worked and in some cases worked BETTER.

                                    ...

                                    I never understood how he could look at things and understand them - he didn't understand how I could take words and make them mean something. He fixed stuff for me - I wrote papers for him. It worked!
                                    Same with me Kay. You should see me trying to assemble things even with instructions. It's ridiculous. And my brother comes along and bangs in a part that I've been wringing my hands over for hours. Pisses me off. I don't have a mechanically inclined bone in my body. Only my brother is cruel. He won't do the project for me in spite of the fact that I do a lot for him. He's an asshole by any definition. He'll wait until I'm nearly suicidal and then deride me as he quickly solves a big problem.

                                    And yet, he is completely computer illiterate. Couldn't even turn one on if his life depended on it, but can put a truck engine together and it runs.
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                                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                                    I never understood how he could look at things and understand them - he didn't understand how I could take words and make them mean something. He fixed stuff for me - I wrote papers for him. It worked!
                                    Kay, it is fascinating . But actually it's pretty simple logic and neuroscience; Different parts of the brain working here. Some areas in your Brain are more advanced than your brother's and vice versa.
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                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                It would be interesting to me, if I saw both of our brain scans. I would be interested to know if we have completely different areas activated when we think about the same thing, or exactly the same areas.

                                I suspect it's one way or the other. Either result would be revealing.


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                            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                            Didn't say that he invented clocks, but under that school teachers tutelage, he'd be lucky to put food in the microwave to "invent" a tv dinner.

                            He wants to invent things. He likes making things. That should be encouraged, unless of course you'd prefer that he was marginalized all his life until he really wants to make a bomb.
                            He should learn to pay attention before he gets in trouble, oops... too late.

                            The teacher asked him to contact his parents, he refused. The teacher said bye, bye...

                            I seriously doubt he learned to take an authority figure seriously considering all the cuddling he's getting.

                            Again, leave the movie props at home.






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                            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                              He should learn to pay attention before he gets in trouble, oops... too late.

                              The teacher asked him to contact his parents, he refused. The teacher said bye, bye...

                              I seriously doubt he learned to take an authority figure seriously considering all the cuddling he's getting.

                              Again, leave the movie props at home.
                              Yeah, we get it. You don't like Ahmed and his clock. Doesn't matter. He's got invitations that you'll never get. lol.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                I was a little disappointed when I discovered that the kid just took out the components of a digital alarm clock, and placed them in a small case. He didn't create or build anything.

                                Of course, that isn't the heart of the story at all, but it's an interesting aspect.

                                I wonder what would happen if he took it through airport security. Or, to be fair, if anyone took it through airport security.

                                We are so quick to pick sides...as though the truth is found at the sides.
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                                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                  We are so quick to pick sides...as though the truth is found at the sides.
                                  Not taking a side really. I already stated that I would have been suspicious of the contraption, but when the school knew they were wrong, they continued the suspension. I doubt the handcuffs were necessary either.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                                    Not taking a side really. I already stated that I would have been suspicious of the contraption, but when the school knew they were wrong, they continued the suspension. I doubt the handcuffs were necessary either.
                                    Really?

                                    I find it difficult to believe you would feel comfortable If you was a cop that didn't have an engineering degree & witnessed a briefcase in a school that looked suspicious with a bunch of wires & crudely built circuit board hacks.
                                    • Step #1, get control of the situation.
                                    • Step #2, figure out what exactly the situation is.

                                    In real life, playing around & wasting time during suspected dangers isn't an option. That's reality, doesn't matter If anyone likes it. There's time to pet unicorns, ride rainbows & eat ice cream when a possible situation is under control.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                                      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                                      Really?

                                      I find it difficult to believe you would feel comfortable If you was a cop that didn't have an engineering degree & witnessed a briefcase in a school that looked suspicious with a bunch of wires & crudely built circuit board hacks.
                                      • Step #1, get control of the situation.
                                      • Step #2, figure out what exactly the situation is.

                                      In real life, playing around & wasting time during suspected dangers isn't an option. That's reality, doesn't matter If anyone likes it. There's time to pet unicorns, ride rainbows & eat ice cream when a possible situation is under control.
                                      In real life, playing around was exactly what the cops were doing. They handcuffed a boy who was no longer attached to his device... a device that was most likely still sitting in the school room. They didn't evacuate, call in the bomb squad, the bomb sniffing dogs ... none of that. In fact, they apparently weren't very alarmed.

                                      The Irving police chief, Larry Boyd, said at a news conference on Wednesday that the officers were justified in detaining the teenager based on the information they had at the time, when initially it was "not immediately evident that" Ahmed's clock was a class experiment. He added, however, that the police had "no evidence to support that there was an intention to create an alarm."
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                                    Not taking a side really. I already stated that I would have been suspicious of the contraption, but when the school knew they were wrong, they continued the suspension. I doubt the handcuffs were necessary either.
                                    I didn't mean you. I meant all of us..

                                    And nobody thinks they are taking sides. Nearly everyone thinks they are totally objective.

                                    I've never heard anyone say, "I think he's guilty/innocent. But then again, I'm seeing it through conservative/liberal/Christian/Atheist/male/female/bigoted/French/American/musician/artist/elderly/middle aged.....eyes."

                                    For example, a prejudiced person (This is not at all referring to you) will fight to the death, denying that he is prejudiced. It's the way we are hard wired.
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                                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                                    Not taking a side really. I already stated that I would have been suspicious of the contraption, but when the school knew they were wrong, they continued the suspension. I doubt the handcuffs were necessary either.

                                    And that should be the major point - IMHO.

                                    But there are some that don't think the school officials and/or law enforcement did anything wrong at any point.
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                                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                                He's got invitations that you'll never get. lol.
                                No thanks.

                                Hanging out with Zuckerberg at the Neverland Ranch doesn't sound like much fun.





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                                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                                  No thanks.

                                  Hanging out with Zuckerberg at the Neverland Ranch doesn't sound like much fun.
                                  Michael Jackson is dead, Zuckerberg doesn't own Neverland. He founded Facebook.
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                                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                                    Michael Jackson is dead, Zuckerberg doesn't own Neverland. He founded Facebook.
                                    Thanks for clearing that up.

                                    I almost fell out of my chair.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                                      I was a little disappointed when I discovered that the kid just took out the components of a digital alarm clock, and placed them in a small case. He didn't create or build anything.

                                      Of course, that isn't the heart of the story at all, but it's an interesting aspect.
                                      May be the point of the media coverage though. Initially, the kid was referred to as a geek who "built" this amazing clock....

                                      Then truth - he just rearranged the parts of a clock and all of a sudden he's not the golden boy any more. Then his sister is bad and his father is suspect....and I think all of that is because the media made itself look stupid...again.

                                      Parents need to get that kid out of the spotlight - he's had enough exposure.
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                        Originally Posted by AprilCT View Post

                        Hmmm, has my owl icon influenced you?
                        No, not since l have buried my Paltry Food Recipes Career?

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      THAT is a good question!

      I doubt if political parties would be taking sides over it - or whether the child would have been handcuffed....
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I wonder how many people would whine about the teacher If the teacher was right with the first opinion & shrugged it off as a clock.

      Assuming the teacher isn't MacGyver.

      Damned If you do, damned If you don't...
      The mistake the teacher made wasn't the problem. The problem was, that the teacher was wrong and the police still felt the need to handcuff him and take him to jail. I seriously doubt that the handcuffs were necessary. The police didn't bring charges which is to their credit, but the school still maintained the suspension even though they were dead wrong.

      I wonder how many inventors and entrepreneurs we'd have if all students were beaten down in that manner. I'm sincerely glad that he has gotten a lot of attention from people in high places and that he will be encouraged to innovate rather than discouraged from doing so.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        The mistake the teacher made wasn't the problem. The problem was, that the teacher was wrong and the police still felt the need to handcuff him and take him to jail. I seriously doubt that the handcuffs were necessary. The police didn't bring charges which is to their credit, but the school still maintained the suspension even though they were dead wrong.

        I wonder how many inventors and entrepreneurs we'd have if all students were beaten down in that manner. I'm sincerely glad that he has gotten a lot of attention from people in high places and that he will be encouraged to innovate rather than discouraged from doing so.

        I know you'll disagree but you can't truthfully say the briefcase image posted earlier doesn't look suspicious.

        Looks like a movie prop for Die Hard.

        The teacher was correct in being cautious & gave the kid an opportunity to contact his parents. NO? Wrong answer, bye, bye.

        The media is whoring out the story as usual (drama = big money).
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I know you'll disagree but you can't truthfully say the briefcase image posted earlier doesn't look suspicious.

          Looks like a movie prop for Die Hard.

          The teacher was correct in being cautious & gave the kid an opportunity to contact his parents. NO? Wrong answer, bye, bye.

          The media is whoring out the story as usual (drama = big money).
          I guess you didn't really read my post. I saw your very alarming stuff in a briefcase posted. Oh my ...

          But the problem wasn't that the teacher made a mistake. It was that the school double downed on the mistake even after they knew they were wrong and continued the suspension. That kid is doing well to rid himself of that school.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        The mistake the teacher made wasn't the problem. The problem was, that the teacher was wrong and the police still felt the need to handcuff him and take him to jail. I seriously doubt that the handcuffs were necessary. The police didn't bring charges which is to their credit, but the school still maintained the suspension even though they were dead wrong.

        I wonder how many inventors and entrepreneurs we'd have if all students were beaten down in that manner. I'm sincerely glad that he has gotten a lot of attention from people in high places and that he will be encouraged to innovate rather than discouraged from doing so.
        I agree. I don't have an issue with there being an investigation into what the contraption was. IMO it's better to be safe than sorry. I do have an issue with the kid being arrested before anyone knew what the "clock" really was and the school punishing him after it was determined there was no threat.


        And what his sister did or didn't do is irrelevant.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I agree. I don't have an issue with there being an investigation into what the contraption was. IMO it's better to be safe than sorry. I do have an issue with the kid being arrested before anyone knew what the "clock" really was and the school punishing him after it was determined there was no threat.


          And what his sister did or didn't do is irrelevant.
          And what you do is irrelevant. (OK, the universe is now in balance)

          I laughed, the first time I saw this. Honest, my first thought would have been, "Why on Earth is this in a briefcase?" It doesn't really look like a bomb to me (like I would know).....but experts weren't looking at it either. I'd love to see an experiment, where 1,000 random people were shown this photo, and asked, "What do you think this is?"

          If little Sandra Whitington, class president, Youth Group leader, and cheerleader...came into a class I was teaching with this, my first question would be "Who gave this to you?" It looks pretty advanced for any 14 year old.

          It may take a few seconds for it to register that it's harmless. And....if his sandwich was wrapped and included in the briefcase...I'd think it was a bomb.

          But the school reaction and police reaction was just nonsensical.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            And what you do is irrelevant. (OK, the universe is now in balance)

            I laughed, the first time I saw this. Honest, my first thought would have been, "Why on Earth is this in a briefcase?" It doesn't really look like a bomb to me (like I would know).....but experts weren't looking at it either. I'd love to see an experiment, where 1,000 random people were shown this photo, and asked, "What do you think this is?"

            If little Sandra Whitington, class president, Youth Group leader, and cheerleader...came into a class I was teaching with this, my first question would be "Who gave this to you?" It looks pretty advanced for any 14 year old.

            It may take a few seconds for it to register that it's harmless. And....if his sandwich was wrapped and included in the briefcase...I'd think it was a bomb.

            But the school reaction and police reaction was just nonsensical.
            Tell the truth. If you saw his sandwich in the briefcase, you'd confiscate it claiming "it looked suspicious" and eat it later when he wasn't looking. As a matter of fact, you'd do the same to every kid that brought a sack lunch.
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              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Tell the truth. If you saw his sandwich in the briefcase, you'd confiscate it claiming "it looked suspicious" and eat it later when he wasn't looking. As a matter of fact, you'd do the same to every kid that brought a sack lunch.
              He's already been warned about trashing all the lunch boxes looking for pudding snack packs.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Tell the truth. If you saw his sandwich in the briefcase, you'd confiscate it claiming "it looked suspicious" and eat it later when he wasn't looking. As a matter of fact, you'd do the same to every kid that brought a sack lunch.
              Every day at the Sniper Store a number of suspicious looking boxes come through the door. You see them in the dumpster at the end of the day with residual crumbs in them. It's good to know that an experienced Bun Disposal Expert is there to quickly deal with them.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        The mistake the teacher made wasn't the problem. The problem was, that the teacher was wrong and the police still felt the need to handcuff him and take him to jail. I seriously doubt that the handcuffs were necessary. The police didn't bring charges which is to their credit, but the school still maintained the suspension even though they were dead wrong.

        I wonder how many inventors and entrepreneurs we'd have if all students were beaten down in that manner. I'm sincerely glad that he has gotten a lot of attention from people in high places and that he will be encouraged to innovate rather than discouraged from doing so.
        Mistake? Now you have the teacher on trial, calling her wrong. I would have done the same thing. She should get a medal. All the time in the news you see kids blowing up stuff. This family should have known that by this kid bringing this "clock" to school would get that kind of response. After 911 everyone is on edge...and we should be.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by moneymax View Post

          All the time in the news you see kids blowing up stuff.
          Really? All the time?
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            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            Really? All the time?
            Yes....all....the...time.
            Kids and bombs have been a constant threat to the US. Thank heavens we have a League Of Psychic Heroes..to protect us.

            And I, Sir...am in that league.

            Excelsior!
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Yeas....all....the...time.
              Kids and bombs have been a constant threat to the US. Thank heavens we have a League Of Psychic Heroes..to protect us.

              And I, Sir...am in that league.

              Excelsior!
              "Kids and bombs have been a constant threat to the US. Thank heavens we have a League Of Psycopathic Heroes..to protect us."

              "And I, Sir...am in that league."

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          Originally Posted by moneymax View Post

          Mistake? Now you have the teacher on trial, calling her wrong. I would have done the same thing. She should get a medal. All the time in the news you see kids blowing up stuff. This family should have known that by this kid bringing this "clock" to school would get that kind of response. After 911 everyone is on edge...and we should be.
          lol ... right ... kids blowing stuff up. That's a good one. All the time. The mistake, since you obviously didn't read my posts in entirety was continuing the suspension once it was determined that it was just a shitty clock and not a bomb. A medal? ha
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Another point.

    If the kid had actually brought a bomb into school, he definitely wouldn't have opened it for inspection. Any request, or even demand, to see what was inside would've caused him to immediately set it off. In fact, opening it up would've probably detonated it.
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    To be honest, I feel sorry for kids having to go to school in 2015. It's like a minimum security prison.

    I went to school in the 70s/80s & the worst thing I remember is having salisbury steak for lunch.
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    Originally Posted by joe golfer View Post

    It didn't take long. The CTs (Conspiracy Theorists) are coming out with the idea that Ahmed didn't invent anything, just pulled apart a commercial clock.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=221&v=CEmSwJTqpgY

    Is Ahmed 'Clock Boy' Mohamed's Genius Clock Just A Massive Hoax? (VIDEO) «
    I have DESIGNED PC boards before! Did he? I DOUBT IT! I have ETCHED PC boards before! Did HE? I DOUBT IT! I have worked with solder masked PC boards. Did HE? I STRONGLY doubt it!

    OK, OK, you may notice a very interesting question in my claims. I will ask it FLAT OUT! WHY were THESE solder masked!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY!?!?!?!?!?!?!? It is more complicated, more work, obfuscates what you did(which limits bragging rights, etc....) It has NOTHING to do with electronics! NOTHING! I saw MANY MANY MANY PC boards that were NOT soldermasked! IN FACT, it used to be that nearly NO COMMERCIAL ones were soldermasked. Of course, back then, things were HAND SOLDERED, and it was a good way to cut costs without affecting quality.

    NOW COMMERCIALLY you do it to help flow soldering, keep things neater, and more professional.

    So AGAIN, I ASK, *******WHY******* is it soldermasked? The most logical answer? IT WAS COMMERCIALLY MADE!!!!!

    Supposedly an electronics expert called him and, when questions were asked, his SISTER coached him!!!! WHY?

    Frankly, from what I see, it is HIGHLY unlikely he made ANY material thing here, and clocks are CHEAP now! It is 1960s technology, with a smattering of EARLY 1970s technology! Why didn't he get a microcontroller and have IT look like a clock and do something novel? THAT would be like 2005 technology! So WHAT was so cool about that clock?

    Due to the timing, multiple presentations out of place, and the nature of the device, I think he *****WANTED***** people to react as they have. Is that some crazy conspiracy theory? I'm listening, tell me something that is more reasonable, or even CLOSE to being AS reasonable!

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      I have DESIGNED PC boards before!

      Steve
      Steve ... who gives a rats ass what you've designed.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Steve ... who gives a rats ass what you've designed.
        I care Suzanne...I care. (OK gain, I went for the joke)

        I think we have all at least once mentioned something we have done, or something we have built.

        In my case, it's in every post I write....several times.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I care Suzanne...I care. (OK gain, I went for the joke)

          I think we have all at least once mentioned something we have done, or something we have built.

          In my case, it's in every post I write....several times.
          I'm getting a bit tired of your looking back at the toilet bowl stories.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Steve ... who gives a rats ass what you've designed.
        OK, if I ever design anything fantastic, that I know you can use, I'll make sure to make it a point not to tell you. MAYBE I'll send you a live rat(and you can give its ass to someone else!)!

        That wasn't my point anyway, but oh well.

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          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          OK, if I ever design anything fantastic, that I know you can use, I'll make sure to make it a point not to tell you.

          Steve
          .... I'm so bummed. lol
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            .... I'm so bummed. lol
            WOW! You left out the BEST part! Maybe I'll ask later where I should send the rat. REMEMBER, it will be alive! Maybe I can find a local courier to deliver it. OH, and It may be a little hungry and thirsty, so get a waterbottle and maybe some cheese. I will try to make sure it is fine though.

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    It's a shame I couldn't ask him a few questions. I bet I could ask him 10 questions that ANY decent electronics hobbyist would know, and I bet he gets all 10 wrong. Unfortunately, if I wrote them down, he would google, etc...

    WHY did he show this to so many teachers? That is ESPECIALLY interesting given his claims about how people treated him in the past. Take my microcontroller suggestion, for example. I was thinking about a setup that could help reduce starvation, etc... Suppose HE did that, and showed it! He would have REAL bragging rights and the fame he got could maybe have him start a business, etc... NO ALARM! NO SINGLE PURPOSE device called "COOL" for NO reason! NO THREATS! NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS! But THAT would take ADMITTING that he didn't build the controller, THROWING OUT the potential suit you can bet they are planning, etc....

    As for me? I don't currently have the setup I want to use it for, and I want a professional one that looks nice, so that is like $1000. As for the gadget, I am still musing about how to get around long absences, and there is a key sensor that some say has a short life and is delicate. The better ones cost a lot, but they are cheap on ebay. But microcontrollers cost like $20-$70 bucks, and the sensors might cost a few hundred. There is even a cheap opensource plan for something akin to what I was planning. So he could likely build it for little more than someone paid for that case, clock, and other assorted parts.

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    Well I finally looked at this a little bit. The school is claiming there are things in this kid's records that they can't talk about because the parents will not allow it........but these are the reason that the issue was handled the way it was. Now school officials are getting death threats and the family is having a publicity fest with it.

    As far as I'm concerned, when it starts to be a safety issue for the school admin - those records should be opened to the courts and everyone should be able to know what the issue actually was - valid or invalid. The family wants, and is enjoying, this publicity, let school officials who are being defamed publicly at least have a fair view for the public to see of what the hidden issues really are. When being called racists and threatened - they should damned well have the right to defend their actions if they truly can.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well I finally looked at this a little bit. The school is claiming there are things in this kid's records that they can't talk about because the parents will not allow it........but these are the reason that the issue was handled the way it was. Now school officials are getting death threats and the family is having a publicity fest with it.

      As far as I'm concerned, when it starts to be a safety issue for the school admin - those records should be opened to the courts and everyone should be able to know what the issue actually was - valid or invalid. The family wants, and is enjoying, this publicity, let school officials who are being defamed publicly at least have a fair view for the public to see of what the hidden issues really are. When being called racists and threatened - they should damned well have the right to defend their actions if they truly can.

      That's what makes social media a joke, it's always a witch hunt.








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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Sal -

        You are the one who is so quick to post in defense of personal rights and privacy - claiming cops are jack booted thugs and they have no right to search homes and on and on. You've posted many times about maintaining privacy - but want the parents to violate the privacy of their own children?

        There is no more information - it wasn't a bomb and wasn't' intended to be a bomb. Story should have been over at that point.

        The "records" weren't about the boy - so you didn't dig in very deeply beyond the misleading headline.

        That the media wants more info about these children and this family - doesn't mean it should have it. The school administrators apologizing to the media for not being able to release private records - should be ex-administrators in my opinion.
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Sal -
          There is no more information - it wasn't a bomb and wasn't' intended to be a bomb. Story should have been over at that point.

          Everyone keeps calling it a clock which it once was but this boy dismantled it, turned it into a countdown timer and put it in a briefcase, and what are countdown timers used for, quiet a few things including bombs.

          I'd rather side with caution, they did the right thing by investigating the family and how do we know that this wasn't a dry run for something bigger to come.
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            Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

            Everyone keeps calling it a clock which it once was but this boy dismantled it, turned it into a countdown timer and put it in a briefcase, and what are countdown timers used for, quiet a few things including bombs.

            I'd rather side with caution, they did the right thing by investigating the family and how do we know that this wasn't a dry run for something bigger to come.
            I think you do need to take precaution as well.

            But the handcuffs on this boy...just too much, imo !
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

            Everyone keeps calling it a clock which it once was but this boy dismantled it, turned it into a countdown timer and put it in a briefcase, and what are countdown timers used for, quiet a few things including bombs.

            I'd rather side with caution, they did the right thing by investigating the family and how do we know that this wasn't a dry run for something bigger to come.
            Looking at it like that, maybe the kid has a weird sense of humor.
            I find the whole thing funnier looking at as a countdown timer instead of a clock.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

            this boy dismantled it, turned it into a countdown timer and put it in a briefcase,

            No.

            Nobody turned it into a countdown timer, and it was a pencil case.

            Those types of rumors get started on the lunatic fringe.

            But Boy...."countdown timer" and "briefcase" sure sound more sinister, don't they?

            And I am ashamed to say, I said "briefcase" myself at the beginning, because it looked like a briefcase, if you didn't have anything to compare it to.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              No.

              Nobody turned it into a countdown timer, and it was a pencil case.

              Those types of rumors get started on the lunatic fringe.

              But Boy...."countdown timer" and "briefcase" sure sound more sinister, don't they?

              And I am ashamed to say, I said "briefcase" myself at the beginning, because it looked like a briefcase, if you didn't have anything to compare it to.

              Can you post an image of an Ohio Briefcase for comparison?






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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Can you post an image of an Ohio Briefcase for comparison?
                Pencil case, not briefcase. A pencil case is very small. It's that the case had nothing beside it, in the photo, to indicate it was so small. 2 1/4 X 8 1/4. I wonder if that was done purposefully, to make it look more like a full sized briefcase? Just a thought.

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                Vaultz® 2 1/4" x 8 1/4" Locking Pencil Box, Black | Staples®



                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                CliffsNotes:

                He didn't invent anything, but we'll keep calling a briefcase full of wires & scrap circuit boards an invention.
                Suzanne didn't say that at all.


                The more I read about this, the more it looks like nothing. A kid showing off something. Everyone looking for what their "side" is saying, and just jumping on it.

                And I'm as guilty as the next person, jumping to conclusions. I'm not very proud of myself.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  had nothing beside it, in the photo
                  There's a plug to the right of the case in the initial photo above - I thought that gave some idea of scale but I guess it could have been a ginormous plug....
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                    There's a plug to the right of the case in the initial photo above - I thought that gave some idea of scale but I guess it could have been a ginormous plug....
                    I remember seeing that, and thought it looked huge. But it looked so much like a full sized briefcase, my mind rejected that anomaly.
                    If one of the teachers, or kids was holding it, when the photo was taken...I wonder how much of this we would have read about?

                    I'm amazed that it wasn't called a "Nano Bomb. A new bomb using Nanite technology instead of plastic explosives." ....or a "Trigger device, designed to set of a full sized bomb..in a full sized briefcase, by remote control, at a predetermined time".


                    Watch, now we'll read about this tomorrow, using these exact terms on some conspiracy blog. I mean, besides this one.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  I wonder how many inventors and entrepreneurs we'd have if all students were beaten down in that manner. I'm sincerely glad that he has gotten a lot of attention from people in high places and that he will be encouraged to innovate rather than discouraged from doing so.
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  Or maybe he'll now have an opportunity to go to a school that encourages invention and thought outside of the mundane crap that is taught in public schools by mediocre men and women who call themselves teachers.
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  He wants to invent things. He likes making things. That should be encouraged, unless of course you'd prefer that he was marginalized all his life until he really wants to make a bomb.
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  Makes no difference to me one way or another. If this clock is any indication of his gift for invention, he may not have a future in invention. lol. But then again ... who knows. I don't know the kid. His father said he also made a go-cart and fixed an electrical problem in the house and several other things that shows that he likes to make stuff and work with electronics.




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                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  CliffsNotes:

                  He didn't invent anything, but we'll keep calling a briefcase full of wires & scrap circuit boards an invention.

                  Suzanne didn't say that at all.


                  The more I read about this, the more it looks like nothing. A kid showing off something. Everyone looking for what their "side" is saying, and just jumping on it.

                  And I'm as guilty as the next person, jumping to conclusions. I'm not very proud of myself.

                  Call it an invention, insinuate it's an invention, I think we both know some folks act like it's an invention.

                  You're right, at best it's a movie prop but when you take that movie prop & put it into context it becomes a problem.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    Call it an invention, insinuate it's an invention, I think we both know some folks act like it's an invention.

                    You're right, at best it's a movie prop but when you take that movie prop & put it into context it becomes a problem.
                    Thank you for compiling all my posts to prove once again that I didn't say he invented a clock. I actually read the article and a couple of others and the kid said that he wants to be an inventor. I think that those types of aspirations should be encouraged rather than discouraged. Of course, you think otherwise. Muslim kids should not be messing with electronics. Right? Is that the "context" you're talking about that is so troublesome?

                    The cops weren't alarmed and the Chief of Police said so. One teacher was alarmed. An engineering teacher who saw it first was not alarmed.

                    Much ado about nothing.
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                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Thank you for compiling all my posts to prove once again that I didn't say he invented a clock. I actually read the article and a couple of others and the kid said that he wants to be an inventor. I think that those types of aspirations should be encouraged rather than discouraged. Of course, you think otherwise. Muslim kids should not be messing with electronics. Right? Is that the "context" you're talking about that is so troublesome?

                      Really, you're going to play the religion card?

                      I have no idea what religion has to do with the price of eggs but I'll take the bait.
                      • What's the teachers religion?
                      • What's the principals religion?
                      • What's the janitors religion?

                      See where I'm going with that? It's kind of irrelevant.

                      We already know why he was removed from school so questioning context (briefcase movie prop + school) is kind of silly.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                        Really, you're going to play the religion card?

                        I have no idea what religion has to do with the price of eggs but I'll take the bait.

                        We already know why he was removed from school so questioning context (briefcase movie prop + school) is kind of silly.
                        Yes, he was removed for making a crappy clock. And he wasn't immediately reinstated when it was proven that ALL he did was make a crappy clock.

                        So, tell me Yukon ... what is it about this particular kid that gets you ... that riles you up like this ... that angers you soooooo much? Is it that he's a really crappy clock builder?
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                        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          Yes, he was removed for making a crappy clock. And he wasn't immediately reinstated when it was proven that ALL he did was make a crappy clock.

                          So, tell me Yukon ... what is it about this particular kid that gets you ... that riles you up like this ... that angers you soooooo much? Is it that he's a really crappy clock builder?



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                          • Religion (check)
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                          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                            What else do you have?
                            • Invention (check)
                            • Brilliant (check)
                            • Religion (check)
                            • Conspiracy (check)
                            • Privacy (check)
                            • Misunderstood (check)
                            • Grasping straws (check)
                            So I guess your list making means that you don't want to answer my question. Not a problem. This conversation is getting old.
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                            • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                              Who cares about some boy who tried to make a stupid clock.

                              I've made a robot and my dad says I can take it into school to show my teacher, Dr.Smith.





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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              No.

              Nobody turned it into a countdown timer, and it was a pencil case.

              Those types of rumors get started on the lunatic fringe.

              But Boy...."countdown timer" and "briefcase" sure sound more sinister, don't they?

              And I am ashamed to say, I said "briefcase" myself at the beginning, because it looked like a briefcase, if you didn't have anything to compare it to.
              I still say it makes it funnier
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                I still say it makes it funnier
                I'm torn on how I see these things. Some nonsense is funny, some nonsense I take seriously.

                For example, Shane says something about Mars and an army of mutant ants....and it's just silly. Why? Because whether Shane believes it or not...his intentions are noble, and not vicious.


                But calling something a "count down timer" without any connection to the truth, shows a vicious intent. There is anger, ignorance, and an agenda behind such claims. It is a lie, said to color our perceptions. It is intentionally untrue.

                I don't mean any members here. As far as I know, they are just repeating what they have read, without any due diligence. I mean the people that originate these lies. The people that know for a fact, that they are lies.

                I find the human condition funny, even in myself. But bad reasoning, fed by a vicious intent....I don't think is funny.


                And when I see anything like that...especially in myself.....it's not funny to me at all.
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  I'm torn on how I see these things. Some nonsense is funny, some nonsense I take seriously.

                  For example, Shane says something about Mars and an army of mutant ants....and it's just silly. Why? Because whether Shane believes it or not...his intentions are noble, and not vicious.


                  But calling something a "count down timer" without any connection to the truth, shows a vicious intent. There is anger, ignorance, and an agenda behind such claims. It is a lie, said to color our perceptions. It is intentionally untrue.

                  I don't mean any members here. As far as I know, they are just repeating what they have read, without any due diligence. I mean the people that originate these lies. The people that know for a fact, that they are lies.

                  I find the human condition funny, even in myself. But bad reasoning, fed by a vicious intent....I don't think is funny.


                  And when I see anything like that...especially in myself.....it's not funny to me at all.
                  Which is what makes it funny. That and people taking all that seriously when they know it's not true. Personally I'd rather laugh and call the person an idiot. But then I find it funny that this even made the news and in addition has three pages of comments here like it's actually a serious discussion.
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                  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                    Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                    Which is what makes it funny. That and people taking all that seriously when they know it's not true. Personally I'd rather laugh and call the person an idiot. But then I find it funny that this even made the news and in addition has three pages of comments here like it's actually a serious discussion.
                    As I pointed out in my post above - we have no clue what is true about the situation. There's a lot of troubled kids around. Still - it is blown up beyond reality and people are taking sides on a situation that we know zilch about the reality about. Nobody was hurt and if the kid's got psychological problems, at least everyone there knows he needs help. If the kid did something awesome - they'll know that, too, and it will eventually be a good thing for him.

                    Did anyone listen to Putin's speech in front of the UN last Monday? What speech huh? Point made.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


                      Did anyone listen to Putin's speech in front of the UN last Monday? What speech huh? Point made.

                      NASA declared that there is water on Mars.....2 weeks before the movie The Martian is coming out. Very suspicious. Matt Damon threatens to sue NASA.

                      The Oregon shootings happened only a couple of hours, before psychics everywhere declared that they predicted it.
                      Coincidence?

                      Hurricane Joaquin batters the Bahamas on the same day of Putin's speech. Is there a connection? Does God hate Putin?

                      The Pope visits the US, on the same weekend I hurt my foot. It's all connected.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Sal -

          You are the one who is so quick to post in defense of personal rights and privacy - claiming cops are jack booted thugs and they have no right to search homes and on and on. You've posted many times about maintaining privacy - but want the parents to violate the privacy of their own children?

          There is no more information - it wasn't a bomb and wasn't' intended to be a bomb. Story should have been over at that point.

          The "records" weren't about the boy - so you didn't dig in very deeply beyond the misleading headline.

          That the media wants more info about these children and this family - doesn't mean it should have it. The school administrators apologizing to the media for not being able to release private records - should be ex-administrators in my opinion.
          They have a right to self defense, too. There is something in that kids records that they claim was the cause of much of their reaction. Those records should be available as defense since the family is screaming their faces off about "bigotry" etc. If the family wants things secret, they need to STFU in the first place, ya think?

          Privacy can be quite a bitch when you have to deal with your own personal safety. I worked at a hotel once and one of the owner's (a lawyer) clients came in and was getting quite suggestive and making me very concerned. I was alone there other than him and it was late. I called the owner and told him I had a "situation" and told him about it. I told him I might have to put the guy on the floor. He told me if I did so I'd be fired, so I told him I was locking up and leaving, that he also had no right to put me in danger.

          So the guy goes into the front desk in the AM and asks one of the desk girls for my address - one of them told him what town I lived in but not the address - he showed up at the post office (in a bathrobe - scared Vie, who said he was really whacko) trying to find out where I live. She called me and warned me he was looking for me. So I called my boss again and wanted to know what the hell I was dealing with. He refused to tell me anything -- privacy issue. So I had no idea what I was dealing with. When I asked him how much danger I was in all Stu (hotel owner) would say is "I can't say".

          Who had more rights in this case, Kay - the nut job with privacy rights - or me with a fruitcake stalking me down?

          People have a right to privacy -- but at some points, safety dictates that the privacy be breached. The school staff is being threatened. They should be able to quiet the issue before someone gets hurt, and in this case, that means opening records.

          And for those of you whose inference systems aren't catching up -- the boys mother claimed she didn't know anything about him making a clock. What Steve was trying to express was a question of how he'd hide having tools such as soldering irons etc from his mom. Steve - the depth to which he actually "built" this thing didn't require much but small tools. He also didn't actually build the boards.
          He wasn't working from anywhere near scratch. He didn't invent the clock itself - he built something new, allegedly, from existing parts.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            People have a right to privacy -- but at some points, safety dictates that the privacy be breached. The school staff is being threatened. They should be able to quiet the issue before someone gets hurt, and in this case, that means opening records.
            It isn't just a "right to privacy." It's the law.

            The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) (20 U.S.C. § 1232g; 34 CFR Part 99) is a Federal law that protects the privacy of student education records. The law applies to all schools that receive funds under an applicable program of the U.S. Department of Education.

            FERPA gives parents certain rights with respect to their children's education records. These rights transfer to the student when he or she reaches the age of 18 or attends a school beyond the high school level. Students to whom the rights have transferred are "eligible students."

            Generally, schools must have written permission from the parent or eligible student in order to release any information from a student's education record. However, FERPA allows schools to disclose those records, without consent, to the following parties or under the following conditions (34 CFR § 99.31):

            School officials with legitimate educational interest;
            Other schools to which a student is transferring;
            Specified officials for audit or evaluation purposes;
            Appropriate parties in connection with financial aid to a student;
            Organizations conducting certain studies for or on behalf of the school;
            Accrediting organizations;
            To comply with a judicial order or lawfully issued subpoena;
            Appropriate officials in cases of health and safety emergencies; and
            State and local authorities, within a juvenile justice system, pursuant to specific State law.
            If that kid were a danger to others and they thought that he was, he would have been gone. They can and do suspend people permanently when they think they are a danger. There is no substance to the innuendo that there was cause to fear this kid, unless of course, you read Brietfart.
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              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              There is no substance to the innuendo that there was cause to fear this kid...





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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                You really love that photo don't you. If it were so spooky, I'll ask you again why the police did not immediately evacuate the school to remove those children from potential harm, call in the bomb squad, bring on the bomb sniffing dogs? lol.

                Because they weren't afraid of that ridiculous contraption. The Chief of Police made the statement that there never was any cause to believe anyone was in danger.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  Because they weren't afraid of that ridiculous contraption.
                  Lol, I thought you said the kid was smart & it was an invention?
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    Lol, I thought you said the kid was smart & it was an invention?
                    Then you have a serious problem with reading comprehension. I said specifically that he did not invent the clock (we all know that clocks have been around for some time), but that kids that like to invent and make stuff should be encouraged. I didn't anywhere say he was smart. He may be or may not be. Makes no difference to me one way or another. If this clock is any indication of his gift for invention, he may not have a future in invention. lol. But then again ... who knows. I don't know the kid. His father said he also made a go-cart and fixed an electrical problem in the house and several other things that shows that he likes to make stuff and work with electronics.

                    Again, since you keep missing my point, the school continued the suspension rather than admitting they were wrong about the "explosive device." By doing so, they made the whole story much more than it deserves to be, and also prompted some people to come to his defense and offer him some fun opportunities. Good for him. Hope he enjoys them and learns from them.
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                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Then you have a serious problem with reading comprehension. I said specifically that he did not invent the clock (we all know that clocks have been around for some time), but that kids that like to invent and make stuff should be encouraged. I didn't anywhere say he was smart. He may be or may not be. Makes no difference to me one way or another. If this clock is any indication of his gift for invention, he may not have a future in invention. lol. But then again ... who knows. I don't know the kid. His father said he also made a go-cart and fixed an electrical problem in the house and several other things that shows that he likes to make stuff and work with electronics.

                      Again, since you keep missing my point, the school continued the suspension rather than admitting they were wrong about the "explosive device." By doing so, they made the whole story much more than it deserves to be, and also prompted some people to come to his defense and offer him some fun opportunities. Good for him. Hope he enjoys them and learns from them.

                      CliffsNotes:

                      He didn't invent anything, but we'll keep calling a briefcase full of wires & scrap circuit boards an invention.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                        CliffsNotes:

                        He didn't invent anything, but we'll keep calling a briefcase full of wires & scrap circuit boards an invention.
                        So now it's just a briefcase full of wires and scrap circuit boards. I thought there were explosives diabolically hidden behind the lining. lol.
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                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          So now it's just a briefcase full of wires and scrap circuit boards. I thought there were explosives diabolically hidden behind the lining. lol.
                          I see you played the Mike Anthony card.

                          Nice.

                          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                          That's naive considering you don't know what's behind the red panel or the lining in the briefcase.
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                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  You really love that photo don't you. If it were so spooky, I'll ask you again why the police did not immediately evacuate the school to remove those children from potential harm, call in the bomb squad, bring on the bomb sniffing dogs? lol.

                  Because they weren't afraid of that ridiculous contraption. The Chief of Police made the statement that there never was any cause to believe anyone was in danger.
                  Clock Kid's device contained one-third of the necessary components for a bomb. It was missing a blasting cap and explosive material. I would venture to guess that the police interview focused on determining the possibility of him adding those two components. Factor in family history (father is controversial, sister was suspended for a bomb threat) and the school and authorities absolutely handled this the correct way.

                  This story was a non-issue until president Obama got involved.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

                    Clock Kid's device contained one-third of the necessary components for a bomb. It was missing a blasting cap and explosive material. I would venture to guess that the police interview focused on determining the possibility of him adding those two components. Factor in family history (father is controversial, sister was suspended for a bomb threat) and the school and authorities absolutely handled this the correct way.

                    This story was a non-issue until president Obama got involved.
                    Yeah I know. His clock and every clock in the world contains 1/3 of the necessary components for a bomb, all seem to be missing explosive devices though. lol.

                    If his device were illegal, he would be in jail, but he is not. As for the sister, there was no real bomb threat. Some other kid accused her of planning or having a bomb and she didn't. Otherwise, she too would be in jail and she's not. The father, by the way, is also not in jail. They've lived there for 30 years, so it's not like they're hard to find should anyone want to scoop them up and put them in jail.
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                    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Yeah I know. His clock and every clock in the world contains 1/3 of the necessary components for a bomb, all seem to be missing explosive devices though. lol.
                      This is not just about the clock guts themselves. The area of concern with this particular clock is that it had been removed from its factory casing and placed inside of a metal box, where there is now room to add the other components.

                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      If his device were illegal, he would be in jail, but he is not.
                      Nobody has ever suggested that removing clock components from their case and putting them in a different case is illegal.

                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      As for the sister, there was no real bomb threat. Some other kid accused her of planning or having a bomb and she didn't. Otherwise, she too would be in jail and she's not. The father, by the way, is also not in jail. They've lived there for 30 years, so it's not like they're hard to find should anyone want to scoop them up and put them in jail.
                      Put yourself in this position; you have a child going to this same school and the following takes place:

                      - A boy brings a suspicious looking device to school.
                      - His sister has previously been suspended in relation to a reported bomb threat.
                      - His father is a controversial Sudanese political figure.

                      Do you believe that it is necessary to investigate this device to ensure the safety of your child? Yes or no?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

                        This is not just about the clock guts themselves. The area of concern with this particular clock is that it had been removed from its factory casing and placed inside of a metal box, where there is now room to add the other components.
                        Not really. It's a pencil case. But I deleted my response to you. After reading your post I just quoted, I see I over reacted to your post. And for that, I apologize.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Not really. It's a pencil case. But I deleted my response to you. After reading your post I just quoted, I see I over reacted to your post. And for that, I apologize.

                          Not really in regards to there being room for explosives? To that, I say not really. Hell, a concealed M-80 would do the trick to at least maim someone.

                          Maybe such an explosive wouldn't cause the building to crumble, but I'm sure there isn't a principal out
                          there who's just champing at the bit to explain why Little Billy lost a finger in math class.


                          I'm not saying this situation was handled expertly and without error, but it needed to be addressed. These are the times we live in. A pop tart is a gun. A disassembled clock in a pencil case is a bomb. Until it's not. (For the record, before the crucifixion, I don't agree with the pop tart or finger gun suspensions.)
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                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                            Not really in regards to there being room for explosives? To that, I say not really. Hell, a concealed M-80 would do the trick to at least maim someone.

                            Maybe such an explosive wouldn't cause the building to crumble, but I'm sure there isn't a principal out
                            there who's just champing at the bit to explain why Little Billy lost a finger in math class.


                            I'm not saying this situation was handled expertly and without error, but it needed to be addressed. These are the times we live in. A pop tart is a gun. A disassembled clock in a pencil case is a bomb. Until it's not.
                            Dan; Are we now reduced to discussing if an M-80 would fit in a pencil case?

                            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                            Maybe such an explosive wouldn't cause the building to crumble, but I'm sure there isn't a principal out
                            there who's just champing at the bit to explain why Little Billy lost a finger in math class.
                            And for that reason, and a thousand others, I understand why the teacher gave it a second look.


                            Yeah I edited my post, after Dan quoted me. Sue me.
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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              Dan; A Pop Tart is a gun?

                              Does your wife ever let you do the shopping?
                              "Pop Tart" suspension should be upheld, school official says - CBS News


                              If I recall correctly, it was original a "zero tolerance" issue, but was turned into a "classroom disruption issue" once the media got involved and lawsuits were threatened.
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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              Dan; Are we now reduced to discussing if an M-80 would fit in a pencil case?
                              We're reduced to discuss if enough explosive material could fit into a pencil case to potentially harm someone. Isn't that the base of the issue? Did a student bring to school a device intended to harm?


                              Personally, I don't really want to discuss it at all. I felt compelled earlier to highlight that I felt you were off base. The discussion in general has little merit to me. Either someone thinks this is ludicrous because it was only a pencil case or someone thinks it was justified because it could potentially have been something harmful. It wasn't and the kid wasn't arrested. Done.


                              There might be merit in discussing where to draw line regarding "potential," but it doesn't interest me. Therefore, I'm done in this thread before it turns ugly(ier).
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                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Claude deleted his post.
                      [While Claude deleted his original post, I'll leave my comment, partially because the point is valid, but mostly so the hilarious video below remains in context because, as we know, context is key.]

                      But not every clock on the planet is removed from it's original context and displayed in a fashion that might be a red flag for someone whose job is to protect the children under his watch. Educators have to watch a little more closely as it's doubtful a potential bomb will be paraded through the school in a bowling ball bag with "BOMB" written on the sides a la:


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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                        But not every clock on the planet is removed from it's original context and displayed in a fashion that might be a red flag for someone whose job is to protect the children under his watch. Educators have to watch a little more closely as it's doubtful a potential bomb will be paraded through the school in a bowling ball bag with "BOMB" written on the sides a la:

                        First; Huge The Tick fan.

                        Second, I agree completely. But that's not what we were talking about. He wasn't talking about the appearance of the disassembled clock in the pencil case...he was trying to say that this could be interpreted as part of a bomb. Technically true, like I said. But that is immediately interpreting that fact in the worst possible way....the worst possible slant.

                        Personally, I think the kid tried to pass off a manufactured clock as his own invention. The kid showed bad judgement. And, I'll be frank here...it probably occurred to the kid, or his sister, or his parents, that this looked suspiciously like it could be part of a bomb. If it didn't then they are naive.

                        And for the first few seconds, I can see why a teacher..or parent...would look at this suspiciously, until they knew what it was. And I can even see why the police were called. The school has to cover itself, and cannot endanger their students...no matter how remote the possibility.

                        Maybe I overreacted a tad. But there is an awful lot of that going on in this thread.


                        Added a little later; I deleted my post. I over reacted, and apologized.
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                        But not every clock on the planet is removed from it's original context and displayed in a fashion that might be a red flag for someone whose job is to protect the children under his watch.

                        Please stop making sense. You're confusing people.
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              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              It isn't just a "right to privacy." It's the law.


              If that kid were a danger to others and they thought that he was, he would have been gone. They can and do suspend people permanently when they think they are a danger. There is no substance to the innuendo that there was cause to fear this kid, unless of course, you read Brietfart.
              Yeah - it's the law. At times it can be a pain in the pattoot, too - as in the case where I was being stalked. My boss wasn't legally even able to tell me if the guy was a danger to me or not. Of course, being that he showed up at the local post office at all, let alone in his jeans and a bathrobe, I figured he had some very loose screws.

              As far as the kid. I don't know all the facts, and I'm not going to judge. I'm just citing what I read was the school's point of view. They are allowed their side of the issue, too, right? Everyone can make their own assumption on this one........and in the long run our assumptions all mean zilch. The people down there know the kid and family, the police know what happened, so if the kid's a threat of some sort, some authority will know it by now. Nobody got hurt, and the kid got his 15 minutes of fame. Let Texas deal with it.

              I will say that if I were a teacher and someone brought a bag to school that had something ticking in it - I'd check it out, too. They would have been responsible for a lot of blood if it had actually detonated. These are times that we have to be careful about that stuff. So they react and family screams racism. Sounds like a normal day in 2015 USA to me.

              All in all, though - I think this is just another incident of a situation being blown up to heck and back. It might have been scary. It was looked into. Nothing was wrong. On the other hand - there's some stuff going on that really is scary so this is just another case of "what was going on while everyone was paying so much attention to this"?
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                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                I will say that if I were a teacher and someone brought a bag to school that had something ticking in it - I'd check it out, too. They would have been responsible for a lot of blood if it had actually detonated. These are times that we have to be careful about that stuff. So they react and family screams racism. Sounds like a normal day in 2015 USA to me.

                All in all, though - I think this is just another incident of a situation being blown up to heck and back. It might have been scary. It was looked into. Nothing was wrong. On the other hand - there's some stuff going on that really is scary so this is just another case of "what was going on while everyone was paying so much attention to this"?
                Yep .. it was blown all to heck. A tiny story that is nothing, but someone here attempts to continue the discussion and insinuate a link to the non story of this kid and a stupid clock and the completely heinous mass murder at an Oregon school.

                The school should have investigated and they did. Found out pretty quick it was nothing. Should have removed the suspension and called it a day, but they didn't. And that is the only issue all along that bothered me. They couldn't just let it go. Had to plant stories that have no credence to them in the media to make it appear that there is something secret and sinister about this family. Nothing concrete, mind you. Just insinuations. No arrests were ever made for the sister or the father. Just insinuations. The family has lived there for 30 years and haven't been arrested for terrorist activity. Seems to me, law enforcement would have done so by now if there was cause to do so.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      As far as I'm concerned, when it starts to be a safety issue for the school admin - those records should be opened to the courts and everyone should be able to know what the issue actually was - valid or invalid.
      Well, they are Sudanese-"American" and as such, have the same rights to juvenile private records as any other American. I like that though ... whether valid or invalid, everyone should have the right to know what that school put in his records. lol.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Well, they are Sudanese-"American" and as such, have the same rights to juvenile private records as any other American. I like that though ... whether valid or invalid, everyone should have the right to know what that school put in his records. lol.
        Privacy?

        The family is on parade across the entire US promoting the kid like he just came home from a successful Apollo 11 mission.

        They're not worried about privacy.






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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Privacy?

          The family is on parade across the entire US promoting the kid like he just came home from a successful Apollo 11 mission.

          They're not worried about privacy.
          That is their right to do so. Just like that little conservative kid who's on a viral whirlwind because he likes to badmouth the President.

          It is not the right of the media or the public to know what is or isn't in his school records or medical records. Same as any other American.
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            That is their right to do so. Just like that little conservative kid who's on a viral whirlwind because he likes to badmouth the President.

            It is not the right of the media or the public to know what is or isn't in his school records or medical records. Same as any other American.


            Translation: They want everyone to hear their side of the story & nothing else.

            My bet is the family is making a boat load of money from interviews. Money trumps privacy.

            ON WITH THE PARADE!








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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Translation: They want everyone to hear their side of the story & nothing else.

              My bet is the family is making a boat load of money from interviews. Money trumps privacy.

              ON WITH THE PARADE!
              Oh God no ... no parades ... not making money! Say it isn't so. Whether they do or whether they don't, no one gets the kids school records. I hope they do make a boat load of money. I'm a capitalist. I believe in making money.
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                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                Oh God no ... no parades ... not making money! Say it isn't so. Whether they do or whether they don't, no one gets the kids school records. I hope they do make a boat load of money. I'm a capitalist. I believe in making money.
                I hope they make a reality show about it for TV.

                They could be on an island & make inventions out of coconuts, bamboo & water soaked luggage washed up on the beach.

                I hope Snooki is part of the cast.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well I finally looked at this a little bit. The school is claiming there are things in this kid's records that they can't talk about because the parents will not allow it........but these are the reason that the issue was handled the way it was. Now school officials are getting death threats and the family is having a publicity fest with it.
      It happens both ways. You read about the death threats that the school officials get. Others read about the death threats the family gets. It depends on which website you read...which TV station you watch.

      With the shootings (by policemen) one station reported on how the people being shot were all victims. A different station reported on how the police were being falsely accused.

      A lot of what we hear..is solely dependent on where we look.

      I'll be honest, if you just want the facts..you know...the news...I don't know anymore where to get it. Every accusation is reported as true, every statement is reported as the whole story.

      And nearly everything I read on this Forum reflects that perfectly.

      My question about where to get the actual facts is sincere. I have lost the hope that there is real reporting of unbiased news. Everything quickly gets divided into two camps...two tribes....two sides. And the discussion nearly always devolves into an attack on the other point of view.

      Anyway, that's my take on it.


      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      May be the point of the media coverage though. Initially, the kid was referred to as a geek who "built" this amazing clock....

      Then truth - he just rearranged the parts of a clock and all of a sudden he's not the golden boy any more. Then his sister is bad and his father is suspect....and I think all of that is because the media made itself look stupid...again.

      Parents need to get that kid out of the spotlight - he's had enough exposure.
      I don't think the media is that self aware.

      Although I don't always agree with everything you say (we have political leanings in different directions), your meaning is always clear, your thinking is always rational, and your attempt at objectivity is obvious.

      I love you.
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        A lot of what we hear..is solely dependent on where we look.
        I get all my news from The Onion, Youtube & Warrior Forum.
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          we have political leanings in different directions
          Hang on a while - I change my leanings every now and then....really messes up people who think they have me figured out. Sometimes I think it over and just change my mind - or I learn something new and that changes my opinion. Really - if you can't change your mind, what is the point of having one?

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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        It happens both ways. You read about the death threats that the school officials get. Others read about the death threats the family gets. It depends on which website you read...which TV station you watch.
        I don't watch news on TV. I read it via Google News, and prefer Reuters and PBS. You get straight news from those sources. The others take those articles and then put their spin on them.
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    I'd hate to see what that school would have done to Flava Flav?
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    Less than a week after the clock kid.

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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      1st Oct 2015

      Less than a week after the clock kid.


      ... and yet, having nothing to do with a 14 yr old kid who brings a crappy clock to school.

      and has a lot more to do with yet another probable Asperger's killing. Same profile as Adam Lanza and the Santa Barbara killer, Elliot Rodger, with Asperger's.

      Lived with mother all his life. Had no girlfriends or friends. Socially awkward. Anti-social. Mentally disturbed. Obsessed with guns and had easy access to them in spite of mental illness. Law enforcement sources also told CBS News four guns -- a combination of pistols and a rifle -- were found at the scene of the shooting.

      Neighbors in Torrance said Mercer and his mother largely kept to themselves. Mercer’s mother sometimes got involved in community disputes, such as complaints about loud noises. She once circulated a petition to get the apartment owner to eradicate a cockroach infestation. Neighbors said she told them the insects kept her son awake at night.

      “She would go around knocking on neighbor's doors,” said Rosario Lucumi, 51. “She would call him 'baby' all the time. I thought it was strange because he was an adult.”

      Lucumi and her daughter, Rosario Espinoza, 33, said Mercer often seemed unsettled.

      “He was always moving around,” Lucumi said.

      “It's like he was always anxious or nervous,” Espinoza added.

      They sometimes saw him taking the bus but he didn’t want to talk, they said.

      McClendon said Mercer was a bit of a loner. “I never saw him with friends or a girlfriend,” he said. “He was bashful and timid.”
      Mercer was among five students listed in the 2009 graduating class at Switzer Learning Center, according to a special graduation section published by the Torrance-based newspaper, The Daily Breeze.

      The Switzer Learning Center, also in Torrance, teaches students with special needs, emotional disturbances, autism, Asperger’s syndrome, and other health issues. According to its website, the school “has a long history of working with children who have been unsuccessful in traditional classrooms because they need the special attention and encouragement that only a school like Switzer can provide.”
      A MySpace profile identified as Chris Harper Mercer from Torrance showed a young man with a shaved head and the barrel of a rifle pointing up into the frame of his portrait.
      A neighbor of the man who went on a deadly shooting rampage at an Oregon college, killing nine people, said he "seemed really unfriendly."

      Bronte Hart lived below 26-year-old Chris Harper Mercer in the community of Winchester. She said Mercer would "sit by himself in the dark in the balcony with this little light."
      Loved the IRA according to his Myspace profile and In a blog linked to that identity, Harper-Mercer expressed admiration for Roanoke shooter Vester Flanagan. Posts on an online blog that appears to belong to Mercer reference multiple shootings, including one in Virginia in August that left a television news reporter and cameraman dead. The last upload on the blog was Wednesday. when a documentary about the Newtown shooting was posted.

      In one post on the blog about Vester Flanagan, the man who killed the reporter and cameraman in Virginia, Mercer apparently wrote, "I have noticed that so many people like [Flanagan] are alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems like the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight."

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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        ... and yet, having nothing to do with a 14 yr old kid who brings a crappy clock to school.

        The Oregon incident is why teachers are cautious.

        I remember someone claiming clock kid religion & the obsession with underdogs in this forum thread even though failing to have proof.

        Who's the underdog in Oregon?

        Again, no sane parent would be against a teacher being cautious.
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          The Oregon incident is why teachers are cautious.
          Hmmm ... so cautious that mentally ill people can just walk right in with 4 weapons and start blowing people away but I'm glad they got that kid with the crappy clock out of school.

          US has an average of one school shooting per 5 weeks (not all of them resulting in loss of life or multiple loss of lives - some just injuries instead). So far, no lives lost due to clocks. lol.
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    Good evening and welcome to this news update..

    A series of bombs were detonated in Wooster, Ohio by kids today Insurance companies estimate that over a billion dollars of improvements were done..

    In finance news shares in Bombs R Us continued to rise due to kids everywhere blowing stuff up. All the time.

    Now here's the weather. Better take your umbrella out tomorrow to protect you from debris caused by kids blowing stuff up. All the time.

    Stay tuned now for this weeks episode of "Psychic Super Heroes Who Predict Winning Lottery Numbers And Stop Kids Blowing Stuff Up All The Time"..
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Okay - since the religion card has been played, lets talk about "fair".

    When a school system can have a public hissy fit over a little white christian boy who ate his sandwich into the shape of a gun, isn't it fair that they can have a hissy fit over a little brown muslim boy with electrical wires in a case?

    Me thinks, maybe we need to just recognize our educational system needs an overhaul at this point.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Me thinks, maybe we need to just recognize our educational system needs an overhaul at this point.
      I'm for that. It is crap when I went to school and it hasn't changed a bit. Removing hysterical teachers who would have a hissy fit over a kid eating a sandwich in the shape of a gun would be a good place to start. What happened to the kid's second amendment rights to own a sandwich in the shape of a gun? lol
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I'm for that. It is crap when I went to school and it hasn't changed a bit. Removing hysterical teachers who would have a hissy fit over a kid eating a sandwich in the shape of a gun would be a good place to start. What happened to the kid's second amendment rights to own a sandwich in the shape of a gun? lol
        It wasn't crap when I was in school (or was it where I went). We had a hella lot of freedom and the worst problem we had was a few fist fights now and again - nothing deadly just a few guys getting torked and later shaking and making up. Our guys (and one or two of the girls) had guns in their cars all the time in the parking lot during hunting season when they'd take off straight from school to go hunting. Nobody got shot. Nobody got hurt - nobody would have even thought about it.

        But when freedoms start getting taken - people start pointing fingers at each other instead the people at the top that are taking them and society breaks down. You get violence. That's just the way it's always been. It's the way it will always be. As the leaders turn themselves further and further into a ruling class, this persecution of innocents for frivolous reasons is going to get worse and so is violence. Trust me on that one.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          It wasn't crap when I was in school (or was it where I went). We had a hella lot of freedom and the worst problem we had was a few fist fights now and again - nothing deadly just a few guys getting torked and later shaking and making up. Our guys (and one or two of the girls) had guns in their cars all the time in the parking lot during hunting season when they'd take off straight from school to go hunting. Nobody got shot. Nobody got hurt - nobody would have even thought about it.
          If the best thing you can say is that everyone had guns and no one got killed at your school, I'm still not convinced that our educational system hasn't been crap for a long time. I really don't give a shit about guns. This isn't a freedom or gun control conversation. The fact that the educational system turns out so many stupid people who are not even literate concerns me more than who has guns and who doesn't.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            And, when the apocalypse happens, who will have all the fresh vegetables? The Amish. After the EMP, who will have the only transportation? The Amish.
            And the only new furniture, too. Plus those cute little fake fireplaces they advertise in the magazines....
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              And the only new furniture, too. Plus those cute little fake fireplaces they advertise in the magazines....
              ha ha ... I love Amish furniture. I guess I should hold off buying since that might be misconstrued as providing material support to terrorists ... huh?
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Okay - since the religion card has been played, lets talk about "fair".

      When a school system can have a public hissy fit over a little white christian boy who ate his sandwich into the shape of a gun, isn't it fair that they can have a hissy fit over a little brown muslim boy with electrical wires in a case?

      Me thinks, maybe we need to just recognize our educational system needs an overhaul at this point.
      I'm going to bring up something that everyone refuses to talk about; Amish Terrorists.

      They are hell bent on destroying the very fabric of American fashion. (Fabric..fashion...get it?)

      Can you explain why they meet in secret? What are they planning? Hell, can any of us even understand them? And why are they so polite? What are they hiding?

      The don't use our electricity. They buy generators. My theory is that they are planning to destroy the electrical grid of the entire US. And then, where will we be buying our generators? That's right..The Amish Mafia! ..... wait.......THE AMISH MAFIA! (Better)

      What are they hiding under their hats?

      AND WHY THE HELL DON"T THEY EVER FLY IN JETS!?

      I'll tell you why, Amish Terrorists.

      So, their master plan is to hoard (That's right, I said HOARD) the only portable generators, And they know that there is going to be something wrong with the jets, that's the only way to explain why they aren't flying.

      And, when the apocalypse happens, who will have all the fresh vegetables? The Amish. After the EMP, who will have the only transportation? The Amish.

      And, who will have all the generators? The Amish.

      One more thing....they don't have telephones. Why? So the government cannot listen in to their Amish terrorist agenda....I mean......AMISH TERRORIST AGENDA!!!!!

      Have you ever seen a Black Amish person? No. How about an American Indian Amish person? Heck NO!

      I even have the name of their terrorist leader.....Eli Miller. The problem is, over 45% of all Amish men are named Eli Miller. We will have to track him by the way he dresses. Black hat, black jacket (even at 110 degrees out), a full beard, black work shoes, black pants.

      If you see a man matching this description, he is either Amish, or a member of ZZ Top.

      That is all for now.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I'm going to bring up something that everyone refuses to talk about; Amish Terrorists.

        They are hell bent on destroying the very fabric of American fashion. (Fabric..fashion...get it?)

        Can you explain why they meet in secret? What are they planning? Hell, can any of us even understand them? And why are they so polite? What are they hiding?

        The don't use our electricity. They buy generators. My theory is that they are planning to destroy the electrical grid of the entire US. And then, where will we be buying our generators? That's right..The Amish Mafia! ..... wait.......THE AMISH MAFIA! (Better)

        What are they hiding under their hats?

        AND WHY THE HELL DON"T THEY EVER FLY IN JETS!?

        I'll tell you why, Amish Terrorists.

        So, their master plan is to hoard (That's right, I said HOARD) the only portable generators, And they know that there is going to be something wrong with the jets, that's the only way to explain why they aren't flying.

        And, when the apocalypse happens, who will have all the fresh vegetables? The Amish. After the EMP, who will have the only transportation? The Amish.

        And, who will have all the generators? The Amish.

        One more thing....they don't have telephones. Why? So the government cannot listen in to their Amish terrorist agenda....I mean......AMISH TERRORIST AGENDA!!!!!

        Have you ever seen a Black Amish person? No. How about an American Indian Amish person? Heck NO!

        I even have the name of their terrorist leader.....Eli Miller. The problem is, over 45% of all Amish men are named Eli Miller. We will have to track him by the way he dresses. Black hat, black jacket (even at 110 degrees out), a full beard, black work shoes, black pants.

        If you see a man matching this description, he is either Amish, or a member of ZZ Top.

        That is all for now.
        You forgot the most obvious point - why aren't Amish kids blowing stuff up all the time?

        Because they are all PSYCHIC!
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          You forgot the most obvious point - why aren't Amish kids blowing stuff up all the time?

          Because they are all PSYCHIC!
          The Amish determined that God loved people the most when their technology is the same as it was between 1860 and 1880.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            The Amish determined that God loved people the most when their technology is the same as it was between 1860 and 1880.
            In a way, the Bible DOES say that the amish should do what they do, and the amish have a point. The bible says that they should be separate from the world, and not generally mix. If you start dealing with the technology of today you kind of HAVE to start dealing with the world. ALSO, the bible speaks of all this work and stuff and several cultures have said it builds character, and the amish want that also.

            THEN AGAIN, I am SHOCKED that a culture that is SOOOO entrenched in religion, and is from Germany, and teaches german, doesn't know about Martin Luther. I spoke with a nurse, who ends up dealing with amish people, and she said they asked her about HER religion(LUTHERAN), etc....! 8) BTW LUTHER was the one that translated the bible into German, and even CREATED what is today known as german!

            Steve
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