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16 years ago

Was thinking the same thing Steve

Better have your s**t straight if you're going to criticize.
They're thinking there is no way but their way

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Was thinking the same thing Steve

Better have your s**t straight if you're going to criticize.
They're thinking there is no way but their way

Thom, doesn't this stuff just make you want to scream?

That's why I will never criticize forum posts because I know as well as
anybody that I can make a mistake...especially as quickly as I type.

I wish Paul Myers was here. I think he'd get a chuckle out of this one.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Thom, doesn't this stuff just make you want to scream?

That's why I will never criticize forum posts because I know as well as
anybody that I can make a mistake...especially as quickly as I type.

I've always considered forums like talking. I mean if its overt to the point where its distracting then fine but I never got the whole let me correct your mistakes thing. Worse are the guys that can't hold an intelligent conversation and whose only comeback in a difference of opinion is that you mistyped a word. Weak. Ego stroking I suppose.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by nontemplates

I've always considered forums like talking. I mean if its overt to the point where its distracting then fine but I never got the whole let me correct your mistakes thing. Worse are the guys that can't hold an intelligent conversation and whose only comeback in a difference of opinion is that you mistyped a word. Weak. Ego stroking I suppose.

I agree non, I was just busting balls on the O.P.

The way I type and talk, I'm the last person who should seriously criticize anyone else for making mistakes.

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dorim

16 years ago

Maybe he wrote the post so fast he didn't bother to check his own spelling and grammar. I've done that in the past so I try to go back and read everything once before hitting the post button.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by dorim

Maybe he wrote the post so fast he didn't bother to check his own spelling and grammar. I've done that in the past so I try to go back and read everything once before hitting the post button.

Um, that's kind of my point. He's criticizing others for doing the exact
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Um, that's kind of my point. He's criticizing others for doing the exact
same thing.

Guess we could also criticize the MOST OVERUSED two words I've ever seen..."exact same" or "same exact." Whatever happened to "exactly the same?" Some people are bothered by all the incorrect grammar while others are ok with all of this. Anyway, this is a very humorous thread. A nice break...

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nontemplates

16 years ago

Well as long as we are on language and its misues the one I like the best isn't really grammatically incorrect but isn't exactly good language skills either

- I could care less

When what they should be saying and what they really mean is "I couldn't care less"

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by nontemplates

Well as long as we are on language and its misues the one I like the best isn't really grammatically incorrect but isn't exactly good language skills either

- I could care less

When what they should be saying and what they really mean is "I couldn't care less"

I don't think I agree with you.
There are times I could care less.

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Originally Posted by KimW

I don't think I agree with you.
There are times I could care less.

I care less now then I did an hour ago
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by reikidad1961

Please learn the difference between there, their and they're.
Its not there country, its their country.
I've seen so many spelling and grammar errors on the forums I frequent and the one that annoys me the most is when people use there instead of their. Its almost like the world their is not in anyone's vocabulary as its never used when it should be.
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Hi reikidad,

I hear you! There are certain rules of spelling and grammar that so many people get sloppy about.

As it is apparent these things concern you, I have taken the liberty of helping you improve those habits within your "writing". Though it's not perfect, I believe you will agree that it's a major improvement.

The word between typically refers to two items, but it's not a rule I follow that closely. I will let that one slide. On the other hand, there is more than one difference.

Incorrect:
Please learn the difference between there, their and they're.

Correct:
Please learn the differences between there, their and they're.

Convention states that a blank space should be used to separate paragraphs.

When defining a word, or making a reference to it, it is best to italicize it or surround it with single quotation marks.

Its is a pronoun, it's is a contraction of it is.

Incorrect:
Its not there country, its their country.

Correct:
It's not there country, it's their country.

When the word and is used as a clause it is considered a conjuction. In that case a comma is placed before the phrase.

Incorrect:
I've seen so many spelling and grammar errors on the forums I frequent and the one that annoys me the most is when people use there instead of their.

Correct:
I've seen so many spelling and grammatical errors on the forums I frequent, and the one that annoys me the most is when people use there when they mean their.

The word grammatical is a better choice because it's the adjective form. The noun being modified is errors. Using the words instead of is not clear without further explanation; the corrected version makes it more clear.

Incorrect:
Its almost like the world their is not in anyone's vocabulary as its never used when it should be.

Correct:
Sorry, I just don't have the time.

Glad I could help,
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Hi reikidad,

I hear you! There are certain rules of spelling and grammar that so many people get sloppy about.

As it is apparent these things concern you, I have taken the liberty of helping you improve those habits within your "writing". Though it's not perfect, I believe you will agree that it's a major improvement.

The word between typically refers to two items, but it's not a rule I follow that closely. I will let it slide.

Convention states that a blank space should be used to separate paragraphs.

When defining a word, or making a reference to it, it is best to italicize it or surround it with single quotation marks.

Its is a pronoun, it's is a contraction of it is.

Incorrect:
Its not there country, its their country.

Correct:
It's not there country, it's their country.

When the word and is used as a clause it is considered a conjuction. In that case a comma is placed before the phrase.

Incorrect:
I've seen so many spelling and grammar errors on the forums I frequent and the one that annoys me the most is when people use there instead of their.

Correct:
I've seen so many spelling and grammatical errors on the forums I frequent, and the one that annoys me the most is when people use there when they mean their.

The word grammatical is a better choice because it's the adjective form. The noun being modified is errors. Using the words instead of is not clear without further explanation; the corrected version makes it more clear.

Incorrect:
Its almost like the world their is not in anyone's vocabulary as its never used when it should be.

Correct:
Sorry, I just don't have the time.

Glad I could help,
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Boy Michael, and I thought I was being a hard ass.

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Boy Michael, and I thought I was being a hard ass.

LOL

Hi Steven,

You will note that I actually ADDED another example during the time you responded to my post.

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nontemplates 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Glad I could help,
Michael

More than you know Mike.

Temporary off topic alert -

Saw your "ethical marketer" title for the first time and I thought (no offense to any other marketer) "wow someone cares about being ethical?" Checked your links.

I only recently began to explore IM after over a decade of offline experience in sales (and some online with hard products). I've been reading through sales copy after sales copy of a number of internet marketers even a few that self promote themselves as master copy writers and was thinking of grabbing a bottle of Pepto Bismal and exiting the idea of getting into IM again (If I can't even wade through it how could I in good conscience peddle it?).

Then I read all your offers. What a breath of fresh air. No copy that talked down to me thinking it could manipulate money out of my pocket with word licorice, empty promises and greed voodoo. I could go on but I'll stop.

Getting back on topic alert

So was my typing and grammar acceptable?

P.S. You have a new subscriber and future customer. Thanks for showing me another way. The only way I could be involved in IM.
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16 years ago

For the record, when I make such a mistake, it is because I partially change a sentence, have a computer hiccup, or slip up and just write it phonetically. Lately, I have had some other problems. HERE, my keyboard is now smaller than normal. at work, have to have lotus up. Due to another program I was requested to write(because it emails me every 3 minutes), lotus intercepts things for at least one word every few minutes.

I may type a sentence like this.

and it may look like

I may type a like this.

That is ANOTHER reason I HATE windows! When I receive a message, and lotus is enabled, IT waits for a space or carriage return, and eats every other letter. THEN the focus may return to the original program which didn't receive the intercepted characters.

SO, I could see some homophones being misused even if the author knows the difference.

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16 years ago

This may be the most widespread mistake out there: Improper capitalization of online names.

It's AdWords, not Adwords; PayPal, not Paypal; YouTube, not Youtube, etc. You wouldn't write Coca-cola or Taco bell.

The rule of thumb I go by is to check the site itself and see how they do it.

I think what bugs me is that so many people do it, but it would only take a few seconds to check.

All the best,
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

This may be the most widespread mistake out there: Improper capitalization of online names.

It's AdWords, not Adwords; PayPal, not Paypal; YouTube, not Youtube, etc. You wouldn't write Coca-cola or Taco bell.

The rule of thumb I go by is to check the site itself and see how they do it.

I think what bugs me is that so many people do it, but it would only take a few seconds to check.

All the best,
Michael

And what do you do when the SITE is WRONG, or incosistant!?!? My favorite(sarc) is something being buildin to a computer. NOPE, I didn't make a mistake, THEY did.

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'To vs Too'

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Originally Posted by Michael Motley

'To vs Too'

I loose my marbles when I see that to.
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Geeze o petes - this is a forum, not a salespage. People should not have to go look words up to be able to post a quick reply. This is informal chatter. If you want formal in an informal situation, you're just going to drive yourself crazy. While it is important beyond some people's realization to have perfection in articles, on websites, and anything dissseminated to the public - asking for perfection in a forum is being a language Nazi. My spell check doesn't work in here and I'll be damned if I'm going to spend time in research to post a stupid post.

Language is instinctual, but rules of grammar are not, and you will find few people who speak with complete precision even when using formal registar. Writing is not even an instinctual skill. If you study the history of English you will find it's amazing that we can even communicate at all in writing. As long as someone gets their idea across to you here, think about what they are saying and quit policing. Save the criticism for their public productions. Their structure and spelling will actually matter then.

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No, you shouldn't HAVE to look up words to post a reply. Most here seem to be adults, atleast high school educated, this is something they should know.

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A "reply" is one thing. However, when Starting a Thread is it to, too, two, much to ask to take 2 seconds to Spell check your Thread Title so I don't have to see it for days.

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No, you shouldn't HAVE to look up words to post a reply. Most here seem to be adults, atleast high school educated, this is something they should know.
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

No, you shouldn't HAVE to look up words to post a reply. Most here seem to be adults, atleast high school educated, this is something they should know.

Know something? When I had a high school education I thought there was something wrong with me because I didn't spell perfectly. After several years of studying linguistics in college I found out that it is more likely that something is wrong with a person who CAN spell perfectly in English - they are usually referred to as "idiot savants".

I agree that people should be reasonably educated, but as long as you have dialects - which you WILL have as long as you have social structures - which you WILL have as long as you have lots of humans, you are going to find variances that the users won't even recognize as abnormal to the standard structure until they are removed from the group which uses the dialect.

It would be very apropo for everyone to understand the standard structure of the language - but to count on it happening is very unrealistic. It ain't gonna happen in your lifetime, so:
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Know something? When I had a high school education I thought there was something wrong with me because I didn't spell perfectly. After several years of studying linguistics in college I found out that it is more likely that something is wrong with a person who CAN spell perfectly in English - they are usually referred to as "idiot savants".

I agree that people should be reasonably educated, but as long as you have dialects - which you WILL have as long as you have social structures - which you WILL have as long as you have lots of humans, you are going to find variances that the users won't even recognize as abnormal to the standard structure until they are removed from the group which uses the dialect.

It would be very apropo for everyone to understand the standard structure of the language - but to count on it happening is very unrealistic. It ain't gonna happen in your lifetime, so:
It's a long walk back to Eden, so don't sweat the small stuff.

Gee, I was getting to like you SO much! An idiot savant is now often called an autistic savant since so many are autistic, and I guess because idiot is so demeaning.

The term describes someone deficient in various areas, so they couldn't rightfully be called a genius, but highly knowledgeable in areas so the may appear to be a genius. I doubt that they all spell perfectly well.

I agree that few people will spell perfectly. Heck, even the best Scripps champion takes various short cuts and tricks and most STILL fail.

Still, I think people SHOULD try to be better. I met some Danish teenagers in Denmark that spoke better English than many Americans. And I have to wonder how many people , that say they went to college, really went to college.

Then again, I wish lawyers would start doing better. Maybe we would have fewer debates on bills if their intent were not so hard to understand and easy to corrupt.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Gee, I was getting to like you SO much! An idiot savant is now often called an autistic savant since so many are autistic, and I guess because idiot is so demeaning.

Steve

I hadn't heard that - but considering the push for political correctness I believe you're probably spot and and will adjust.

These people have memories like steel traps - they are dysfunctional with the application of the information they store.
I knew one at school and he would walk around all day asking people their names and birthdays - and would remember EVERYTHING.
He could see you only once and if you ran into him years later he could call you by name and when you were born. Other than that, though, he was totally gone.

Anyhow - that's the type of memory it takes to infallibly spell in English.

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Originally Posted by HeySal

Know something? When I had a high school education I thought there was something wrong with me because I didn't spell perfectly. After several years of studying linguistics in college I found out that it is more likely that something is wrong with a person who CAN spell perfectly in English - they are usually referred to as "idiot savants".

I agree that people should be reasonably educated, but as long as you have dialects - which you WILL have as long as you have social structures - which you WILL have as long as you have lots of humans, you are going to find variances that the users won't even recognize as abnormal to the standard structure until they are removed from the group which uses the dialect.

It would be very apropo for everyone to understand the standard structure of the language - but to count on it happening is very unrealistic. It ain't gonna happen in your lifetime, so:
It's a long walk back to Eden, so don't sweat the small stuff.

dialects will change how you pronounce a word, not how you spell it.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

dialects will change how you pronounce a word, not how you spell it.

Michael, there are so many spelling rules with so many contradictions and
exceptions to the rule that there is no way in hell you can expect people
to be able to spell every word in the English language correctly.

And to insist on that, IMO, is being unreasonable.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Michael, there are so many spelling rules with so many contradictions and
exceptions to the rule that there is no way in hell you can expect people
to be able to spell every word in the English language correctly.

And to insist on that, IMO, is being unreasonable.

spelling every word in the english language is unreasonable

But spelling common words that are taught to middleschoolers isnt all that unreasonable.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

spelling every word in the english language is unreasonable

But spelling common words that are taught to middleschoolers isnt all that unreasonable.

What's common to you may not be common to somebody else.

Conversely, you may feel some words are hard to spell that others feel
you should be able to spell with no problem.

For example, I have a lot of problems with 8 and 9 letter words that have
some combination of:

ea
ie
ei

and so on. They sound one way but are spelled another way and unless
you actually learn the spelling of these words (and there are tons of them)
there is a good chance you're going to make a mistake.

Some would say this is inexcusable for such relatively simple words.

After all, we're not talking about spelling...

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Everything is relative. So who are you, or I or anybody to say what a
common word is?

Be careful when you start throwing stones at people for making spelling
mistakes because one day, somebody is going to throw that stone right
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Be careful when you start throwing stones at people for making spelling
mistakes because one day, somebody is going to throw that stone right
back at you.

I dont mind actually. I dont know what i'm doing wrong if i'm not told.

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Steven Wagenheim 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I dont mind actually. I dont know what i'm doing wrong if i'm not told.

There is a difference between being corrected (always welcome here too)
and being told, "Hey you moron, can't you spell?" which is essentially what
the OP is doing in this thread by blasting this person or persons for not
being able to spell correctly in forums.

In other words, correction is one thing, but ranting about somebody being
an idiot is another thing entirely.

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Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I don't mind actually. I don't know what I'm doing wrong if I'm not told.

Fixed. Anyway, I prefer not to get all over people about grammar or spelling errors unless it's just plain terrible, but I will say that there's one pronunciation error that drives me crazy every time I hear it. It's when people say 'nuculear' like there's an extra 'u' in it. Ahh, it drives me insane.
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HeySal 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

dialects will change how you pronounce a word, not how you spell it.

Dialects determine word usage and sentence structure as well, Michael.
In the case in point that the thread was written about, it's mostly just careless typing and lack of thought, but many of what some may feel to be mistakes are actually accepted general usage in the social group the person identifies with.

All in all - most of us will get rumpled over some point of grammar or other. The one that grinds my nerves is
"orientated" - the word is "oriented" - the mistake is derived from "orientation".

Tommy - whatever happened to your marbles, we all have figured out by this time that you're not shooting with puries.
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16 years ago

Gosh... a whole thread about spelling and grammar, and nobody has posted this yet:

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Whatever is this Forum coming to!?

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Gosh... a whole thread about spelling and grammar, and nobody has posted this yet:

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Whatever is this Forum coming to!?

This is great!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Gosh... a whole thread about spelling and grammar, and nobody has posted this yet:

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Whatever is this Forum coming to!?

hahaha. this is cool.
I can still read it without any problem.

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Steven Wagenheim 16 years ago

Isn't it interesting that the OP never came back to this thread?

Guess he didn't like being called a pot.
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If folks don't understand the reference to 'wombat' please check out the following site; cutesy of Paul Myers.

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Originally Posted by reikidad1961

Please learn the difference between there, their and they're.
Its not there country, its their country.
I've seen so many spelling and grammar errors on the forums I frequent and the one that annoys me the most is when people use there instead of their. Its almost like the world their is not in anyone's vocabulary as its never used when it should be.
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Originally Posted by jacktackett

cutesy of Paul Myers.

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