Banned Camp Growing in Numbers. Should I be afraid?

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Is the first rule about banned camp to not talk about banned camp?

Looking at posts and starting to see a much larger number of banned members on this forum who don't appear to have done anything that I can tell.
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      Just wondering the same thing here in the offtopic. So far three warriors who participate in the annual nba thread I started have been banned. Kurt, Robert and I are scared. Lol Its a conspiracy against nba fans!
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    I've noticed the same trend, but have no clue what infractions they committed.
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    • I have yet to figure the rules.

      My contribution to the 'gettin' laid versus havin' an affair' trail got pulled pretty quick, prolly 4 bein' borderline porno, but no one said nuthin' formal.

      Guess we all gotta exercise a little restraint.

      Strap down our inner ragin' eunuchs with the liederhosen of respectability.

      That typea thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        I have yet to figure the rules.

        My contribution to the 'gettin' laid versus havin' an affair' trail got pulled pretty quick, prolly 4 bein' borderline porno, but no one said nuthin' formal.

        Guess we all gotta exercise a little restraint.

        Strap down our inner ragin' eunuchs with the liederhosen of respectability.

        That typea thing.
        I think for them to ban you, they have to understand what you just said.

        There was a 'gettin' laid versus havin' an affair' thread? I'm sorry I missed it.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I think for them to ban you, they have to understand what you just said.

          There was a 'gettin' laid versus havin' an affair' thread? I'm sorry I missed it.
          It didn't last very long. lol
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            It didn't last very long. lol
            You guys may find this interesting, talking about affairs.

            When I was a distributor, with a sales organization working for me, I went to conferences and company celebrations. Most of these guys (Yes, almost all were men) were wealthy. And out of the 200 I knew, nearly all of them cheated on their wives. I even knew one man that got married three days before the conference, and he took a girl to his room. It was fascinating to watch a group of men descend on a group of women, and the sorting process (I can't think of a better term) that ensued.

            I asked a few guys about it, and they never thought of it as anything wrong. These are men that owned large distribution businesses, selling vacuum cleaners in people's homes.

            About 15 years ago, I opened a retail store, and joined a trade organization of retail store owners selling vacuum cleaners. We would have the trade show in Las Vegas (nearly always). Maybe 5,000 people would attend.

            Completely different group. There wasn't even a hint of cheating. Nearly all were married (like the other group), but it was business, and drinking with the guys. Nobody even suggested looking for women.

            I've known both groups for at least a decade each. And to this day, I can't figure out why they are so dissimilar.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              It was fascinating to watch a group of me descend on a group of women
              We have a winner in the Freudian Slip Of The Year contest.
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                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                We have a winner in the Freudian Slip Of The Year contest.
                I didn't see it. And it wasn't intentional.....but it sure made me laugh.
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              You guys may find this interesting, talking about affairs.

              When I was a distributor, with a sales organization working for me, I went to conferences and company celebrations. Most of these guys (Yes, almost all were men) were wealthy. And out of the 200 I knew, nearly all of them cheated on their wives. I even knew one man that got married three days before the conference, and he took a girl to his room. It was fascinating to watch a group of men descend on a group of women, and the sorting process (I can't think of a better term) that ensued.

              I asked a few guys about it, and they never thought of it as anything wrong. These are men that owned large distribution businesses, selling vacuum cleaners in people's homes.

              About 15 years ago, I opened a retail store, and joined a trade organization of retail store owners selling vacuum cleaners. We would have the trade show in Las Vegas (nearly always). Maybe 5,000 people would attend.

              Completely different group. There wasn't even a hint of cheating. Nearly all were married (like the other group), but it was business, and drinking with the guys. Nobody even suggested looking for women.

              I've known both groups for at least a decade each. And to this day, I can't figure out why they are so dissimilar.
              It's because what you sell is supplied with Heffa Filters.
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            • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              out of the 200 I knew, nearly all of them cheated on their wives . . .
              These are men that owned large distribution businesses, selling vacuum cleaners . .
              Apparently there's something about a vacuum cleaner salesman's, Superman-like qualities that sets the ladies hearts aflutter. (For more information please contact the Sweeper Store manager in Wooster, Ohio).


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                Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                Heh . . . that reminds me of a scene from a movie I saw a couple of nights ago. What We Do In The Shadows, a vampire mockumentary. Wickedly funny.
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                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  ...and the ruffle on his sweet little apron....
                  Are we looking at the same "ruffle" or is that a roll of quarters I see?

                  (lmao as everyone scrolls back up to take a closer look at the pic)
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        • Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I think for them to ban you, they have to understand what you just said.
          My malapropriated salivations are my salvation.

          Gonna see what I can slip thru.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          My thought was that mods have begun to apply some filters - and I was happy to see it. The personal insults and rudeness have gotten crazy in recent months.

          I may not know all affected but the ones I have noticed have been banned before for doing less than they've been doing here recently.
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        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        I have yet to figure the rules.

        My contribution to the 'gettin' laid versus havin' an affair' trail got pulled pretty quick, prolly 4 bein' borderline porno, but no one said nuthin' formal.

        Guess we all gotta exercise a little restraint.

        Strap down our inner ragin' eunuchs with the liederhosen of respectability.

        That typea thing.
        I will probably get yelled at, have "insults" thrown my way, etc... I once stated a FACT along these lines and met with disdain and implied to be mistaken, But HEY, I could give like a half dozen examples to prove my point, and they couldn't give ONE.

        But HERE is THE rule, Agree with and please all! If ONE person gets displeased things may be put into motion to ban you. If that person is the one doing the banning, and apparently it DOES come down to one, you WILL be banned!

        Of course, with regard to pulling messages or threads, the trigger finger may be a bit quicker. Sometimes it is effectively mandated by law, and other times it is a simple whim or fear.

        BTW it is NOT leiderhosen, but LEDERhosen And what is so bad about THAT? They are just traditional in bavaria, etc... And yeah, a lot of wearers of lederhosen might surprise you if you tried to enslave them.

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        • Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          BTW it is NOT leiderhosen, but LEDERhosen And what is so bad about THAT? Steve
          But I got 'eunuch' right, an' I claim my *.

          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          And yeah, a lot of wearers of lederhosen might surprise you if you tried to enslave them.
          Steve
          Whao -- where did that come from?

          Sure, I'm hangin' on for a gimp to help clean the apartment, but no way am I advocatin' tryin' to dom a buncha angry ledehosen-clad Bavarians.

          U wanna know the real problem?

          I figure those guys are gonna rise up an' come enslave us.

          "It's time for your punishment, you leather-shunning heathens!"

          F-tttssssssshhhh!

          [yy, they got whips...]

          "Get on your knees while we sup from our enormous ale flagons and slap our exposed thighs with gusto!"


          Tellya, ISIS got nuthin' on these rowdies.

          *nuthin' against leather, guys -- just the wacko hot pants deal*
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            Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

            But I got 'eunuch' right, an' I claim my *.

            Whao -- where did that come from?

            Sure, I'm hangin' on for a gimp to help clean the apartment, but no way am I advocatin' tryin' to dom a buncha angry ledehosen-clad Bavarians.

            U wanna know the real problem?

            I figure those guys are gonna rise up an' come enslave us.

            "It's time for your punishment, you leather-shunning heathens!"

            F-tttssssssshhhh!

            [yy, they got whips...]

            "Get on your knees while we sup from our enormous ale flagons and slap our exposed thighs with gusto!"


            Tellya, ISIS got nuthin' on these rowdies.

            *nuthin' against leather, guys -- just the wacko hot pants deal*
            You're the only one who can "out whacko" Steve. Don't let us down Princess. We're counting on you.
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            Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

            But I got 'eunuch' right, an' I claim my *.



            Whao -- where did that come from?

            Sure, I'm hangin' on for a gimp to help clean the apartment, but no way am I advocatin' tryin' to dom a buncha angry ledehosen-clad Bavarians.

            U wanna know the real problem?

            I figure those guys are gonna rise up an' come enslave us.

            "It's time for your punishment, you leather-shunning heathens!"

            F-tttssssssshhhh!

            [yy, they got whips...]

            "Get on your knees while we sup from our enormous ale flagons and slap our exposed thighs with gusto!"


            Tellya, ISIS got nuthin' on these rowdies.

            *nuthin' against leather, guys -- just the wacko hot pants deal*
            You said: "Strap down our inner ragin' eunuchs with the liederhosen of respectability.",and I just saw strap down with, and....

            As susan(SP*) said, you DO seem out there.

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                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  It seems there is a drastic policy change.
                  It's about time they got "drastic" with all the bumpers on the main forum.
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                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Well, "they" were invited with an aggressive membership drive called Growth Hacking. So why PositiveNegative? He's not a spammer or a "bumper."
                      Perhaps the "horny devil" in him came back.
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                      • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
                        I have no idea what the story is for any of the people banned. I think WC must have gotten a permanent ban, but wasn't +- recently banned for a while not too long ago? It isn't often that I stop by any of the other forums expect for one of my paid ones.

                        Things have really changed here, and when I thought about this, I realized that we are all changing in some ways as well.
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                          It really could be an attempt to pull things back into control - or it could have something to do with the "survey" banner on the top right...
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                Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                an' tuberin' on my goober







                You could go so many places with that.


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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              RE: Princess Balestra
              As susan(SP*) said, you DO seem out there.

              Steve
              And I am starting to like that about her.


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        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post


        My contribution to the 'gettin' laid versus havin' an affair' trail got pulled pretty quick, prolly 4 bein' borderline porno,

        Sadly, I missed that...

        (Feel free to PM me.)


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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
          Banned Camp Growing in Numbers. Should I be afraid?

          I wouldn't be if I were you.

          You bring more to the buffet than you take.

          The WF is better because of you, and many others that are here.

          The WF is getting clicks and eyeballs because of your contributions.

          If they are dumb enough to ban you, move on. It will be their (and our) loss.

          Afraid? Not today.


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          Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

          My contribution to the 'gettin' laid versus havin' an affair' trail got pulled pretty quick, prolly 4 bein' borderline porno,



          Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

          Sadly, I missed that...

          (Feel free to PM me.)

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          The thread didn't last as long as a tawdry one night stand. lol
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  • Hey, we're discussin' how not to get banned here.

    So what happens?

    By thread #14 we are postin' photos of guys performin' crazy stunts with their pipes.

    It's a frickin' deathwish!!!!
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      something about a vacuum cleaner salesman's, Superman-like qualities
      ...and the ruffle on his sweet little apron....
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        ...and the ruffle on his sweet little apron....

        That's not an apron. that's a cape.
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          that's a cape.
          So - the butterflies on the 'cape' are his logo? Amazing what you can learn here!
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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            So - the butterflies on the 'cape' are his logo? Amazing what you can learn here!
            Claude has an S on his, "S" for Sweeper Store. (That would be SS thinking about it, Hail Whitler) "S" for Salesman,or his true Super Hero Name: Sweeperman.

            Faster than a spinning brush..

            Able to go up from wood floors to shagpile in a single bound..

            Look, down on the ground, it's a turd, it's a drain

            No, it's Sweeperman!! ( Cover identity, ace writer, Bex Bissell)

            Thats it, I'm changing my medication
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      that a roll of quarters I see?
      I thought it was a roll of dimes... hmmm
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          Rut roh. Seeing a "take our survey" blue stip up top. Thinking it could be the road to banned camp.

          Maybe doesn't help that I'm watching "Missing in Alaska"...

          5 out of every 1000 people go missing every year.
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            You're the only one who can "out whacko" Steve. Don't let us down Princess. We're counting on you.
            I'm chalking it up to a cajun blend of some kind. She makes me really have to read.

            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            A new member of banned camp from the OT regulars has now been added. Positivenegative is banned.
            I was going to thank you for the update, but was afraid that someone might see my thanking that post as thanking that the person was gone. Didn't agree with some of what I was reading of that poster, but would not have banned for it personally.
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            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

            Rut roh. Seeing a "take our survey" blue stip up top. Thinking it could be the road to banned camp.
            Well, if the survey is playing a role in bans, I'm probably on the chopping block!

            I took it a little earlier today and didn't exactly hold back in my responses. I wasn't rude, but I didn't sugarcoat anything. I just gave my honest opinion.

            If I'm banned, it was nice knowing y'all...
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              I think a couple of the Survey questions would make good OT threads.




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              Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

              Well, if the survey is playing a role in bans, I'm probably on the chopping block!

              I took it a little earlier today and didn't exactly hold back in my responses. I wasn't rude, but I didn't sugarcoat anything. I just gave my honest opinion.

              If I'm banned, it was nice knowing y'all...
              I doubt that the answers would lead to a ban. The questions appear to indicate that they are strongly considering shutting the site down. I predicted this quite some time ago and I'm not going to take the survey, but yes, it would be sad to me to see what once was a great forum, disappear ... just another redirect to freelancer.
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    It seems like the 'ol Web in general is more ban-happy than ever. Craigslist ads get flagged immediately by competitors, YouTube will ban for life on a single breach of obscure rules, rip-off artists on Amazon steal books verbatim and then try to get the original authors banned when they report it, Adsense accounts get banned without notice, on and on.

    I read there is even a trend in relationships where one person gets "ghosted." Instead of breaking up, they just stop returning calls, cut off all communication, *poof* gone from the other person's life with no explanation.

    Like a ban IRL lol.
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    • Jus' to say, David Beroff has reappeared over at the Cheat post (which i don't wanna feed).

      He's still down as 'banned', but there he is.

      C'mon over, Dave — we're tallkin' sheep farts, Klingons an' thumbin' thru Claude's Pornomonickon.

      Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

      Sadly, I missed that...
      (Feel free to PM me.)
      Will check the copy dump on my lappo later.

      If I still have it, will send it over.

      I figure it is the definitive description.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        The questions appear to indicate that they are strongly considering shutting the site down.
        I've got a 20 year subscription payment to the war room. Not sure how that would fly.

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        Banned Camp Growing in Numbers. Should I be afraid?

        I wouldn't be if I were you.
        That's very sweet of you.
        The reality is that no one is above the ban hammer.


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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          I've got a 20 year subscription payment to the war room. Not sure how that would fly.

          How would you feel if you could no longer use Warrior Forum?

          What would you likely use as an alternative if Warrior Forum were no longer available?

          Well, these two questions are very odd for a site that isn't considering shutting down. Never seen any other survey that was offered by a company asking this type of question.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I'm off for a while - have a d-in-law in Atlanta who had major emergency surgery and I'm headed south to help out. Not taking a laptop or anything with me so might not be online much.

            I guess I just have to hope this place is still here when I return in 2-3 weeks.
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            How would you feel if you could no longer use Warrior Forum?

            What would you likely use as an alternative if Warrior Forum were no longer available?

            Well, these two questions are very odd for a site that isn't considering shutting down. Never seen any other survey that was offered by a company asking this type of question.
            I look at it from a different angle, the idea that maybe this is about to become a paid service. The questions now become:

            1. Are you emotionally connected enough to give us money?

            2. Is there another man we should be worried about?
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              Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

              I look at it from a different angle, the idea that maybe this is about to become a paid service. The questions now become:

              1. Are you emotionally connected enough to give us money?

              2. Is there another man we should be worried about?
              Ok ... I can answer those. I didn't join the WF to fill my emotional needs, so no, I am not emotionally connected and wouldn't part with money at this point because I have gotten zero ROI since the changes made to the section I advertised in.

              2. There's always another man.
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                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                Ok ... I can answer those. I didn't join the WF to fill my emotional needs, so no, I am not emotionally connected and wouldn't part with money at this point because I have gotten zero ROI since the changes made to the section I advertised in.

                2. There's always another man.
                Lol fair enough. I'm gonna take the line of thinking a bit further now. How many people are going to give good, levelheaded responses? The people in this thread, a select few from each upstairs section?

                What about beyond that? Your "middle class" if you will. The newbies who think this is their lifeline to riches, the sellers (freelance and products) who built most (if not all) of their business here?

                They're going to answer in a way that is very favorable to Freelancer justifying putting this place behind a pay wall.

                I'm not saying that's bad either, quite the opposite. A lot of people here have called to go back to paid entry. But what's the easier sell: a couple of people in OT made some good points or we had an overwhelming call to protect the future of the forum from a widely taken survey?

                Probably just trying to seem smarter than I am, but I doubt this is a bringer of the end times...yet.
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                  Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

                  Lol fair enough. I'm gonna take the line of thinking a bit further now. How many people are going to give good, levelheaded responses? The people in this thread, a select few from each upstairs section?

                  What about beyond that? Your "middle class" if you will. The newbies who think this is their lifeline to riches, the sellers (freelance and products) who built most (if not all) of their business here?

                  They're going to answer in a way that is very favorable to Freelancer justifying putting this place behind a pay wall.
                  WF has gained probably a couple of hundred thousand new members since the change in mgmnt. While doing so, they have changed the culture of the forum completely and reduced traffic drastically.

                  When Freelancer took over
                  April 12 2014 Global Rank 250
                  July 17, 2014 Global Rank 268

                  Now

                  11/10/2014
                  Global Rank 368
                  Rank India 298
                  Rank in US 1,096
                  Visitors by Country
                  India 19.9%
                  US 16.7%

                  10/29/2015
                  Global rank 1,333
                  Rank India 584
                  Rank in US 2,819
                  Visitors by Country
                  India 21.4%
                  US 10.3%

                  WF now consists mostly members who speak very little English who wouldn't pay a dime to access this forum. I'll bet you that the majority of them have not invested in the War Room and not purchased an image signature. They consist of spammers, link droppers and those who drop ridiculous one liners for the purpose of signature exposure.

                  The ones without signatures ask questions like how to make x amount of dollars with no skills and no money. NO MONEY. They aren't here to spend. They're here to make money online with no investment and no skills.

                  The members who would were often big spenders on advertising and made a lot of money here have dwindled to a small number. They have abandoned ship, never to return. They were the ones that would be most likely to pay an entry fee.

                  When Freelancer changed the WSO payments to their own, they eliminated a ton of traffic from WSO + and JVZoo affiliates that were being driven here to buy day after day. The place has become a ghost of itself.
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                  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    WF has gained probably a couple of hundred thousand new members since the change in mgmnt.

                    The majority of those profiles are spammers/bots & one liner India/Pakistan spam.

                    The one dollar membership instantly shuts down 99% of new spam & real mods manually wean off the grandfathered spam accounts in a few weeks. This has already been proven on Warrior Forum.

                    What's funny is, this was done before Warrior Forum was sold to Freelancer, the forum went back to free membership & soon after sold to Freelancer. In other words they got hoodwinked on the inflated numbers. Frelancer took it from there & cross promoted the India spammers over on freelancer.com which opened the flood gates for bogus forum profiles on Warrior Forum.

                    Stop by the SEO sub-forum here on Warrior Forum about 1 AM [EST], the majority of comments are India junk & self promotion. Nobody reports the stuff because it's a losing battle. There's no real mods participating on the forums looking for spam so that's obviously not an option.

                    Freelancers best bet would be to sell out to someone that knows how to manage a forum before the last nail is driven in the coffin. At least they would recoup some of their money.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
              Safe trip Kay and hope everything works out!

              Originally Posted by @tjr View Post


              2. Is there another man we should be worried about?
              There's always another man!

              I'm pretty connected with some longer term members here and can find who I'm looking for. It would be inconvenient for a bit, but so many people here have lists, all you need are a few top players to send out email blasts and a new active free forum could blow up overnight.

              (still have not clicked that "take our survey" link)
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                Safe trip Kay and hope everything works out!

                There's always another man!

                I'm pretty connected with some longer term members here and can find who I'm looking for. It would be inconvenient for a bit, but so many people here have lists, all you need are a few top players to send out email blasts and a new active free forum could blow up overnight.

                (still have not clicked that "take our survey" link)
                I decided to just go ahead and take the survey but it was pretty short and I don't see what they'll get out of the data, and I didn't answer completely honestly to begin with.

                To the question of what would you like to see or changes that would make the WF more useful, my real answer is get rid of 150,000 of the newest members who have not signed up for the War Room or invested money in an image signature and roll back the forum to the way it was when it was successful and had a lot of traffic and the discussions were a lot more lively and meaningful (for the most part).
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              • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                one person on the banned list isn't a surprise to me - but the others? hmmmm
                I guess we all need to mind our "p's and q's", eh?

                oh and whatever you do @Princess Balestra - don't get yourself banned - I have never giggled so much since you started posting here.

                carry on
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  How would you feel if you could no longer use Warrior Forum?

                  What would you likely use as an alternative if Warrior Forum were no longer available?

                  Do You Believe in Levitating Strawberrys?
                  I am sure that the last one is a trick question?


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                • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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                  Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                  I guess we all need to mind our "p's and q's", eh?
                  I've been watching this thread since Jill posted it and holding off commenting seriously, but with that last bit I quoted, you made me realize it's "Blaze of Glory" time.

                  If that's what it boils down to, if members, especially the folks like yourself and Jill are going to have to modify their behavior, then what's point of being here? I like you for who you are - not who the WF wants you to be.

                  Here's a newsflash - this is a forum, a place for discussion and while we might not always like what's discussed, locking or deleting threads related to the quality of the forum is just pure bullshit and absolutely flies in the face of question number 7 on the survey. What, they'll only accept negative comments when no one else can see them?

                  Question #7 pisses me off because it's been asked and answered countless times since the forum was acquired by FL (and relatively very little has been done). Yes, I can understand that a lot of suggestions are driven by those with personal agendas, but for the most part, the new management seems to completely ignore one of their best assets: the old timers who helped make the WF such a success in the first place.

                  When a long-time member expresses worry about being banned, especially someone who's the epitome of "Good Person", it makes me realize just how much this place is beginning to suck. I absolutely cannot envision Jill or Karen being banned, but more importantly, it's not a thought that should have ever crossed their minds.

                  Question #2 just amuses the shit out of me - they obviously don't realize that, for most of us, the WF isn't usable anymore, at least in the way we used to. That was a hard lesson I learned this past summer (BTW, thanks a lot for that...NOT!).

                  I've spent more than ten years participating in what once was a terrific community and it saddens me to see how much it's deteriorated. it reminds me of a local village, a few minutes from where I live - there used to be around 800 or so people living there, now there's something like 10 or 12. There a little cafe that's still open, but sitting there having coffee, it's depressing to see all the abandoned houses falling apart, the overgrown gardens, and the sense of failure and emptiness that seems to inundate the place.

                  Here's the thing FL, if you're serious about wanting to fix the problems, then you need to grasp a very basic concept - running a forum is far different than running other online businesses. You need community involvement, not only establishing the rules, but in determining it's future direction. You need flexibility, because communities evolve or die.

                  That said, the only real solution I can think of, is to create a private subforum and invite the long-term members to participate in open, honest discussions to identify and find solutions to problems, solutions that mesh well with your corporate goals (which, if were explained to the group, would be very helpful). Honestly, I don't understand why FL wouldn't want to take advantage of some of the very creative and successful people hiding out here.

                  Then of course, you need to diligently act on the results of those discussions .

                  I'm not against becoming an active member again, at some point in the future, but not under the present conditions that I see all over the forum. But I promise you this - start making an effort to restore the community and I'll be in here damn near every day posting again.

                  I'm also done keeping quiet, so yeah, if you don't like my tone or what I have to say, then ban me - I dare you. I double dog dare you, no, **** that, I TRIPLE dog dare you
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                    I've been watching this thread since Jill posted it and holding off commenting seriously, but with that last bit I quoted, you made me realize it's "Blaze of Glory" time.

                    If that's what it boils down to, if members, especially the folks like yourself and Jill are going to have to modify their behavior, then what's point of being here? I like you for who you are - not who the WF wants you to be.

                    Here's a newsflash - this is a forum, a place for discussion and while we might not always like what's discussed, locking or deleting threads related to the quality of the forum is just pure bullshit and absolutely flies in the face of question number 7 on the survey. What, they'll only accept negative comments when no one else can see them?

                    Question #7 pisses me off because it's been asked and answered countless times since the forum was acquired by FL (and relatively very little has been done). Yes, I can understand that a lot of suggestions are driven by those with personal agendas, but for the most part, the new management seems to completely ignore one of their best assets: the old timers who helped make the WF such a success in the first place.

                    When a long-time member expresses worry about being banned, especially someone who's the epitome of "Good Person", it makes me realize just how much this place is beginning to suck. I absolutely cannot envision Jill or Karen being banned, but more importantly, it's not a thought that should have ever crossed their minds.

                    Question #2 just amuses the shit out of me - they obviously don't realize that, for most of us, the WF isn't usable anymore, at least in the way we used to. That was a hard lesson I learned this past summer (BTW, thanks a lot for that...NOT!).

                    I've spent more than ten years participating in what once was a terrific community and it saddens me to see how much it's deteriorated. it reminds me of a local village, a few minutes from where I live - there used to be around 800 or so people living there, now there's something like 10 or 12. There a little cafe that's still open, but sitting there having coffee, it's depressing to see all the abandoned houses falling apart, the overgrown gardens, and the sense of failure and emptiness that seems to inundate the place.

                    Here's the thing FL, if you're serious about wanting to fix the problems, then you need to grasp a very basic concept - running a forum is far different than running other online businesses. You need community involvement, not only establishing the rules, but in determining it's future direction. You need flexibility, because communities evolve or die.

                    That said, the only real solution I can think of, is to create a private subforum and invite the long-term members to participate in open, honest discussions to identify and find solutions to problems, solutions that mesh well with your corporate goals (which, if were explained to the group, would be very helpful). Honestly, I don't understand why FL wouldn't want to take advantage of some of the very creative and successful people hiding out here.

                    Then of course, you need to diligently act on the results of those discussions .

                    I'm not against becoming an active member again, at some point in the future, but not under the present conditions that I see all over the forum. But I promise you this - start making an effort to restore the community and I'll be in here damn near every day posting again.

                    I'm also done keeping quiet, so yeah, if you don't like my tone or what I have to say, then ban me - I dare you. I double dog dare you, no, **** that, I TRIPLE dog dare you
                    ^^^^^^
                    All of the above, PLUS

                    The one thing that Freelancer has utterly failed to grasp is that this was an Internet Marketing Marketplace. The sellers made money in addition to the site owner making money. Freelancer seems to think that sellers will continue to stay and dole out their bucks to Freelancer for a site that is now so degraded that it no longer produces a profit for them, the sellers. It doesn't work that way. Allen knew how to run the site so that he made a profit and we made a profit.

                    Here's an example of that. Since I deal in websites a lot, and wanted to see an option other than Flippa, I lobbied loudly in the forum for a website sales section. It wasn't long before Allen put up the Complete Websites section and in no time at all, sellers like myself began flocking to it. It was the section that I made my money on and I spent more money here than I did at Flippa.

                    Well, Freelancer didn't waste any time at all in completely destroying that section and rendering it completely useless. They put up the Freemarket listings on the top third of the section and changed the name of the section. Sales immediately stopped dead in their tracks. Freemarket will never compete with Flippa or even come in second. It is lacking in features needed, but the biggest thing it is lacking in is real buyers and sellers ... sellers with real sites and buyers with real money to buy them.

                    Flippa knows how to attract buyers. Freemarket is full of really crappy domains and sites that a bunch of scam artists put up in an instant and attempts to pass off to anyone not knowing better, as a viable site. it's a real wasteland. Flippa solicits buyers and sellers from everywhere and has become the leading place to buy and sell websites. Freemarket "markets" itself as being "by and for Warriors." With the current membership, that's a no go. There are neither real buyers nor real sellers here at WF. I really don't know what the point of launching Freemarket was, putting so little effort into both the creating of the website and the marketing, but in the process, it destroyed a viable marketplace for members to make money, that being, the former "Complete Websites for Sale" section.

                    And when you go to the WSO forum anymore ... and I don't, except out of morbid curiosity, there's nothing but a bunch of offshore street vendors selling fish that stinks to high heaven. They just signed up, never made any contribution here, have no reputation here, and hung out their smarmy little sales signs, thinking people will flock to buy their crap. So many of the sellers that actually put some thought and effort into their products and built up a reputation here, are long gone. Off to greener pastures.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post


                      If that's what it boils down to, if members, especially the folks like yourself and Jill are going to have to modify their behavior, then what's point of being here? I like you for who you are - not who the WF wants you to be.
                      Why thank you.


                      When a long-time member expresses worry about being banned, especially someone who's the epitome of "Good Person", it makes me realize just how much this place is beginning to suck. I absolutely cannot envision Jill or Karen being banned, but more importantly, it's not a thought that should have ever crossed their minds.
                      I know all about banned camp and having posts moderated before they appear. Not from this forum, but when it has happened (elsewhere) it wasn't for reasons of trying to swindle anyone out of anything.

                      One of my favorite sayings from Jessica Rabbit - I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way...



                      I'm also done keeping quiet, so yeah, if you don't like my tone or what I have to say, then ban me - I dare you. I double dog dare you, no, **** that, I TRIPLE dog dare you
                      I could have sworn I posted something here (which may have been scrubbed or maybe I got distracted and didn't hit the send? )All a blur at the moment, but not going to re-post what I had just to be on the safe side. lol

                      I think it's safe to say I did do the survey and thought I had commented back here on it.
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                      • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
                        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                        ...
                        I think it's safe to say I did do the survey and thought I had commented back here on it.
                        I did too, and my post disappeared.

                        Then it reappeared again a couple of days later. <shrug>
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

                          I did too, and my post disappeared.

                          Then it reappeared again a couple of days later. <shrug>
                          It's called a Quantum Post. It happens...probably.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            How would you feel if you could no longer use Warrior Forum?

            What would you likely use as an alternative if Warrior Forum were no longer available?

            Well, these two questions are very odd for a site that isn't considering shutting down. Never seen any other survey that was offered by a company asking this type of question.
            These elicit an emotional response. "No! You can't shut down! I'd miss my _______!" and that blank is the meat of WHY you stay.

            Answer to the second question also uncovers what you value from the forum.

            My guess is looking for pain points for promotional copy.

            There's no way anyone would shut down a brand, not at this point. It's still very useful.

            Re: banning, I have seen some users banned temporarily for certain characters in their WSO subjects.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
              Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

              How can we improve Warrior Forum to better meet your needs?

              "Just give it back to Allen and cut your losses."
              I picture Allen frolicking on the beach with his wife - with a giant smear of zinc on his head to keep it from burning...
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                I answered the questions honestly. If you're not interested in knowing what I honestly think, don't ask me anything.

                If you do ask - duck!

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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

              These elicit an emotional response. "No! You can't shut down! I'd miss my _______!" and that blank is the meat of WHY you stay.

              Answer to the second question also uncovers what you value from the forum.

              My guess is looking for pain points for promotional copy.
              Well, there's different degrees of leaving. A year ago, my advertising money left. I moved my sales pages to other platforms, keeping the ones I have here also, but never bumping them, since I was no longer receiving a ROI for paying to advertise here. I stayed, mostly in OT,to chat with friends, so what I value now from WF is very different from what I valued before the change.
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  • Profile picture of the author @tjr
    If Freelancer doesn't know or believe that to be true though, does it really matter? Would anyone really be surprised if they double down, convince themselves that their membership drive was successful and that these people will pay?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

      If Freelancer doesn't know or believe that to be true though, does it really matter? Would anyone really be surprised if they double down, convince themselves that their membership drive was successful and that these people will pay?
      No, it doesn't matter any longer, at this point. They'll do what they wish and so will everyone else.

      Allen had a measly $5 membership fee for a short while. It practically eliminated spam because the spammers wouldn't pay it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    How can we improve Warrior Forum to better meet your needs?

    "Just give it back to Allen and cut your losses."
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    "Fear is for other people."

    And... this is the Internet, almost 2016, not 1996.
    "Banning" anyone on public websites hasn't actually worked in almost two decades.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    So that's what's going on? I've posted posts that don't show - so I go back and redo them just to be told it's a duplicate post - then see the first post later.

    WTF? We have herds of spammers (what is a group of spammers called - is it a puke of spammers or something?) and their posts get through, but people that have been here for years on years are being censored? Someone needs to stop drinking fluoride.

    Got to agree with both Mike and Suzanne on the state of the WF. I only come here to see familiar faces now. They are getting fewer and fewer. It's not going to be too long before there's a very crucial exodus of all the long term, stable members and when that happens, FL is going to get to explain at least 7 figures of a crash to their stockholders.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      There is some unbanning happening now. Someone who showed up banned last week is back in the saddle.

      In the meantime, I managed to sign up to a different forum for some hosting advice, and managed to get an infraction on my second post. lol

      What was amazing was that the moderator sent me a message of " welcome to the forum!" and along the lines of "you f'd up, but it was obvious you were trying to help but we have rules so I have to slap you even though you seem like a nice enough person" lol

      I was supposed to have 5 posts before posting a link to something.

      It was a really nice slap, which they didn't have to justify to me why they did it.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    I actually reported someone today for affiliate links in their sig file. I was surprised to see that person banned within ten minutes of reporting it.

    I guess they're banning now for sig file infractions rather than giving a warning?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    If we can't get Claude banned, maybe we can trade him to DigitalPoint for a couple of Russian spammers to be named later?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    (Insert witty joke about Claude here)

    Good grief this site has gotten boring, even OT. Been a long while since I last posted. How you all doing?
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      Good grief this site has gotten boring, even OT.
      I'm guessing that you presume you return is the antidote. :-)

      FYI - using the words, 'witty' and 'Claude' in the same sentence is a non-starter.

      Welcome back!

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    The best thing to do for yourself and for the WF is to leave a post trail that is concentrated relevance to your niches interest, post after post after post after post.... Solid advice and information. What they are looking for. By the time one of your prospects reads through all the disgruntled OT posts in the process of trying to find the gold nuggets you offer in their specific area of interest, they are turned off to the WF and arent sure how professional you are in the first place.

    Thats my take. If I get banned I get banned.... I didnt have any business calling myself a marketer if I was totally dependent on this place.

    On another note I find it interesting that some of the people who love to say "Look, he's just here to try and sell something..." are the same people saying the forum is useless to them now that they cant sell, and announcing to all the people who look up to their advice that is isnt worth giving in the main forums if you arent going to buy anything from them.

    I say , if you really love the WF then go out into the main forums and subforums and contribute some more value .

    Yes I learned some of this stuff the hard way.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      The best thing to do for yourself and for the WF is to leave a post trail that is concentrated relevance to your niches interest, post after post after post after post.... Solid advice and information. What they are looking for. By the time one of your prospects reads through all the disgruntled OT posts in the process of trying to find the gold nuggets you offer in their specific area of interest, they are turned off to the WF and arent sure how professional you are in the first place.

      Thats my take. If I get banned I get banned.... I didnt have any business calling myself a marketer if I was totally dependent on this place.

      On another note I find it interesting that some of the people who love to say "Look, he's just here to try and sell something..." are the same people saying the forum is useless to them now that they cant sell, and announcing to all the people who look up to their advice that is isnt worth giving in the main forums if you arent going to buy anything from them.

      I say , if you really love the WF then go out into the main forums and subforums and contribute some more value .

      Yes I learned some of this stuff the hard way.
      Hey there John! Long time since I've seen you in the OT!
      A brief rebuttal:

      None of my niches are on the WF (Thankfully!)
      None of my prospects are on the WF (Thankfully!)
      I trust no one here ever mistakes me for being "professional" (I hope!)
      Most of the people on the WF are not looking for "solid information" (Truthfully)

      Advice isn't worth giving in the main forums, not because one person isn't buying
      from another, but rather because the current "readers" there just don't value it.

      And it's full of trap-spammers: People asking the questions that they then answer under
      different usernames (or they have their team members do it) in a vain attempt
      to make it look like they're not marketing.

      I don't think that most of us mind marketers trying to sell things on the WF at all!
      But professionals are usually quite annoyed by the modis operandi of amateurs.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I say , if you really love the WF then go out into the main forums and subforums and contribute some more value
      Save it for upstairs John. We're shallow and feckless down here in OT and not interested in all that biz talk.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Save it for upstairs John. We're shallow and feckless down here in OT and not interested in all that biz talk.
        Please speak for yourself. I have no intention of expending the amount of energy required to rise to the level of being shallow and feckless. Besides, that is an exceedingly lofty goal and one which I have never aspired to.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Okay. I had a couple of glasses of wine last night and got a little opinionated... Should never have posted that way.... Trying to stay away from expressing opinions online... Last night was like "Im so glad I know not to post when Im buzzed .... OH wait I just did"! Sorry. Carry on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Save it for upstairs John. We're shallow and feckless down here in OT and not interested in all that biz talk.
      Hey! I've got freckles!...oh, nevermind

      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Okay. I had a couple of glasses of wine last night and got a little opinionated... Should never have posted that way.... Trying to stay away from expressing opinions online... Last night was like "Im so glad I know not to post when Im buzzed .... OH wait I just did"! Sorry. Carry on.
      Wow, we got to see bad boy John Durham! lol

      Now go, and don't come back to the dungeon here till you've had some more wine.
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    • Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Okay. I had a couple of glasses of wine last night and got a little opinionated... Should never have posted that way.... Trying to stay away from expressing opinions online... Last night was like "Im so glad I know not to post when Im buzzed .... OH wait I just did"! Sorry. Carry on.
      K. Swiped.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Okay. I had a couple of glasses of wine last night and got a little opinionated... Should never have posted that way.... Trying to stay away from expressing opinions online... Last night was like "Im so glad I know not to post when Im buzzed .... OH wait I just did"! Sorry. Carry on.
      Yep, that's my rule as well! I try to never log into the WF until I've had at least
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        A couple of more banned camped members this week.

        One that didn't really surprise me, and another wtf?

        And then, found some that I was wondering why they'd not been banned yet - or at the very least why their threads had not been sponged from the war room.
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          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          A couple of more banned camped members this week.

          One that didn't really surprise me, and another wtf?

          And then, found some that I was wondering why they'd not been banned yet - or at the very least why their threads had not been sponged from the war room.
          Claude...I know, right.
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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Claude...I know, right.
            Claude was banned? Yeah, I expected it actually. That hoax stupid cat thread was probably the final straw for the mods. Geesh, how do they let these types stay on so long? I think the main stream media ( warrior forum ) is part of the hoax. Has anyone really seen this cat? Hmmm?
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              Claude was banned? Yeah, I expected it actually. That hoax stupid cat thread was probably the final straw for the mods. Geesh, how do they let these types stay on so long? I think the main stream media ( warrior forum ) is part of the hoax. Has anyone really seen this cat? Hmmm?
              Yes, the black cat was a deception, (NASA friends) to take heat away from finding an ancient Coke can on Mars!

              There was also a Mars bar wrapper nearby, but that is to be expected!

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              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              Has anyone really seen this cat? Hmmm?
              Schrodinger's cat is now Whitacre's cat.
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                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                Schrodinger's cat is now Whitacre's cat.
                Maybe....maybe not.
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Maybe....maybe not.
                  Oh. Umm...errr. Hi Claude. I was just saying what a great guy you are. Welcome back buddy.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                    Someone who recently did a public thanks thread down here is banned.

                    Of course, my name was not mentioned on that thread....


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                    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
                      Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                      Someone who recently did a public thanks thread down here is banned.

                      Of course, my name was not mentioned on that thread....
                      Thank you Jill for all you do, all your contributions, all your help, and all the value you add to the forum.

                      Mark

                      PS Is that enough to stay off the list or do I need to send flowers too?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

                        Thank you Jill for all you do, all your contributions, all your help, and all the value you add to the forum.

                        Mark

                        PS Is that enough to stay off the list or do I need to send flowers too?
                        lol, you are safe!

                        I have no idea why that dude was banned.

                        I have to run now - FL is calling me on the red phone.
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              • Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                Schrodinger's cat is now Whitacre's cat.
                Yeah, now we gotta figure out how many cats are simultaneously dead and alive.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              That hoax stupid cat thread was probably the final straw for the mods.
              Yeah, when the "Philosophy, metaphysics, theology and science" thread, (about the science of black cats in dark rooms), got nuked, I really had to scratch my head. There seemed to be nothing controversial, no religion, no insulting... nothing. It was just a fun, silly thread. Anyone have any ideas as to why the mods had an issue there?
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                Yeah, now we gotta figure out how many cats are simultaneously dead and alive.
                Vacumn cleaners,...stuffed cats! l think that there is a link there?

                Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

                Yeah, when the "Philosophy, metaphysics, theology and science" thread, (about the science of black cats in dark rooms), got nuked, I really had to scratch my head. There seemed to be nothing controversial, no religion, no insulting... nothing. It was just a fun, silly thread. Anyone have any ideas as to why the mods had an issue there?
                Beats me l thought that l was slashing and burning in a civilized and orderly manner?

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                • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                  Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

                  Yeah, when the "Philosophy, metaphysics, theology and science" thread, (about the science of black cats in dark rooms), got nuked, I really had to scratch my head. There seemed to be nothing controversial, no religion, no insulting... nothing. It was just a fun, silly thread. Anyone have any ideas as to why the mods had an issue there?
                  That got nuked?

                  We are in the OT here.

                  While at infrequent times I can be a bit of a blonde, I like to think I have some smidgen of common sense most of the time. When threads like that get completely nuked and I can't make rhyme or reason of it I begin to think maybe I am further off the rocker than I realize.
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                  • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
                    Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                    While at infrequent times I can be a bit of a blonde, I like to think I have some smidgen of common sense most of the time. When threads like that get completely nuked and I can't make rhyme or reason of it I begin to think maybe I am further off the rocker than I realize.
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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

                Yeah, when the "Philosophy, metaphysics, theology and science" thread, (about the science of black cats in dark rooms), got nuked, I really had to scratch my head. There seemed to be nothing controversial, no religion, no insulting... nothing. It was just a fun, silly thread. Anyone have any ideas as to why the mods had an issue there?
                Perhaps someone perceived it as anti religious for the line: "Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there, and shouting "I found it!""

                I know someone posted something about atheists and agnostics afterwards. Princess had a good reply and there were a couple other clever ones. Yes, too bad but I think someone probably reported it.
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                • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  Perhaps someone perceived it as anti religious for the line: "Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there, and shouting "I found it!""

                  I know someone posted something about atheists and agnostics afterwards. Princess had a good reply and there were a couple other clever ones. Yes, too bad but I think someone probably reported it.
                  Ah. While I might disagree with their actions, at least that explanation does make sense. {sigh}
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                  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
                    A time out was giving to a poster that had his thread move down here a few weeks ago. He was the one that said any guy who gets married is a fool... He was pulling crap yesterday in a Jack Gordon thread, now most of his posts are gone and he was shown the door...

                    Mods got this one right !
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                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                      Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                      Let's not jump to conclusions.

                      Could all have to do with the cat being BLACK.

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                      Well, the F**** up bored ones do?

                      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

                      A time out was giving to a poster that had his thread move down here a few weeks ago. He was the one that said any guy who gets married is a fool... He was pulling crap yesterday in a Jack Gordon thread, now most of his posts are gone and he was shown the door...

                      Mods got this one right !
                      I don't understand it, a Troll comes down here, thinks that he knows what is right, and rammes it down everyones throats, regardless if they are happily married or not?

                      Sounds more like his harem is p***, and going on a sock rampage, and he is trying to turn it to his advantage?

                      Yes, l know one or two that are always right, (not here, hmm) and even when they are wrong, it is ignored, or forgotten.

                      Glad they are not here,...wouldn't last long?


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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

                      A time out was giving to a poster that had his thread move down here a few weeks ago. He was the one that said any guy who gets married is a fool... He was pulling crap yesterday in a Jack Gordon thread, now most of his posts are gone and he was shown the door...

                      Mods got this one right !
                      CartMan was/is a troll and was very good at trolling and persistent. His only goal here was to disrupt and inflame as many threads as possible. I only wondered how long it would take for him to be banned. I'm glad the mods were onto him.
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                      • K -- I wondered who it was.

                        I got no problem with people bein' provocative, but there is a limit, an' there has to be some kinda point.

                        That guy was unkind an' insensitive way too many times for no clear reason.

                        Guess he gotta iron his shirts himself.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post


                          I got no problem with people bein' provocative, but there is a limit, an' there has to be some kinda point.
                          Thats right . People who start Lame Threads About Nuttin should be outta here!

                          I don't worry about who gets banned and who doesn't unless the person is advocating violence, racism or a pedophile> the funny thing is that those who seem to care about it the most are the ones saying the forum is gone downhill.

                          If you think so then wheres the great punishment? Makes no sense
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                          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                            Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                            K -- I wondered who it was.

                            I got no problem with people bein' provocative, but there is a limit, an' there has to be some kinda point.

                            That guy was unkind an' insensitive way too many times for no clear reason.

                            Guess he gotta iron his shirts himself.
                            Well, his multiple pairs of socks will come in handy?

                            It seems to me if he or his columbines catches something nasty the whole supposed rigid deck of cards collapses?

                            Yes, l am never wrong, troll like behavior, won't last long here!

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                          • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                            Thats right . People who start Lame Threads About Nuttin should be outta here!
                            ur such a scamp.

                            Only reason that thread got started was cozza spam.

                            An' now it persists like a rictus smile after a crampgasm.
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                              Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                              ur such a scamp.
                              I try to be

                              Only reason that thread got started was cozza spam.

                              An' now it persists like a rictus smile after a crampgasm.
                              Darn tootin right and people in thar talkin about Honey. I wasn't complaining just pullin the leg to give you extra height
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                              • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                I wasn't complaining just pullin the leg to give you extra height
                                Hey -- I'm no shortass.

                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                I have a little different take on it (or maybe I just define "troll" differently.

                                To me, trolls;

                                Have no sense of humor (see? we agree)
                                Never offer help or real advice.
                                They "debate". but it's really just arguing. They aren't civil.

                                They usually only last a week or so. That's been my experience.
                                Yeah -- what happened to the guy on here a while back offerin' to be drunk alla the time?

                                It is a weird thing.

                                Guess we gotta figure who's up next now Davo is back from the wilderness.
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                                  Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                                  Hey -- I'm no shortass.
                                  I had no way of knowing and was referring to (and would only be referring to) general height not particulars.
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                                  • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                    I had no way of knowing and was referring to (and would only be referring to) general height not particulars.
                                    I am touched by your parentheses.

                                    Also: unbowed by my own undwarfitude.

                                    Also: yeah, thanks for remindin' me about egg nog.

                                    I am truly workin' stuff out here, but also truly blamoed.
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                                      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                                      Also: yeah, thanks for remindin' me about egg nog.
                                      I did? or does everything now remind you of egg nog?
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                      • Profile picture of the author agc
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        CartMan was/is a troll and was very good at trolling and persistent. His only goal here was to disrupt and inflame as many threads as possible. I only wondered how long it would take for him to be banned. I'm glad the mods were onto him.
                        They may or may not have been given a gentle nudge.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

                      A time out was giving to a poster that had his thread move down here a few weeks ago. He was the one that said any guy who gets married is a fool... He was pulling crap yesterday in a Jack Gordon thread, now most of his posts are gone and he was shown the door...

                      Mods got this one right !
                      I took everything he said as a joke. I can't imagine he was serious. Of course, it took me months to realize that Walkingcarpet wasn't joking.
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                      • Profile picture of the author agc
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        I took everything he said as a joke. I can't imagine he was serious. Of course, it took me months to realize that Walkingcarpet wasn't joking.
                        Here's a helpful tip for separating the trolls from the debaters and the jokers.

                        The trolls have no sense of humor and no willingness to debate.

                        It may take a few rounds, but it becomes obvious quick enough.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by agc View Post

                          Here's a helpful tip for separating the trolls from the debaters and the jokers.

                          The trolls have no sense of humor and no willingness to debate.

                          It may take a few rounds, but it becomes obvious quick enough.
                          I have a little different take on it (or maybe I just define "troll" differently.

                          To me, trolls;

                          Have no sense of humor (see? we agree)
                          Never offer help or real advice.
                          They "debate". but it's really just arguing. They aren't civil.

                          They usually only last a week or so. That's been my experience.

                          Come to think of it, I guess Cartman really was a troll. But if you read his posts, in (South Park's) Cartman voice, they really are funny, and in character.
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                          • Profile picture of the author agc
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            I have a little different take on it (or maybe I just define "troll" differently.

                            To me, trolls;

                            Have no sense of humor (see? we agree)
                            Never offer help or real advice.
                            They "debate". but it's really just arguing. They aren't civil.
                            Debate without listening isn't really what the spirit of debate was all about. It used to be a formal venue in which ideas can be explored and tested. It was mutually beneficial as every idea advocated got tested against alternative ideas and attempts at disproving it. Then additional thought and research could go into addressing whatever weaknesses were exposed.

                            But these days, debate is more like a weak ego induced blood battle for self validation. Any academic value has long since been wrung out of it.

                            So I meant debate in the classical "give and take civil exploration of ideas" sense, rather then in the modern "bludgeon your opponents into defeat" sense.
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        I took everything he said as a joke. I can't imagine he was serious. Of course, it took me months to realize that Walkingcarpet wasn't joking.
                        WalkingCarpet wasn't bright enough to be a troll. He was just a moron. I assure you that Cartman is a troll ... and a professional one at that. They don't get much better. Trolls are almost formulaic in their attacks and many get deluded into thinking they are joking or they're just regular jerks. There's a certain talent to the precise, calculated attacks that a good troll pulls off. I've studied them for a long time.

                        It is pointless to debate them and only furthers the destruction of a thread to have any dialog with them at all. The emotional responses and anger that they get is all entertainment to them and it is exactly what they want.

                        Here's some interesting excerpts:

                        In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.
                        An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities. Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.
                        The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls:
                        1. Trolls are immune to criticism and logical arguments. True trolls cannot be reasoned with, regardless of how sound your logical argument is.
                        2. Trolls do not feel remorse like you and me. They have sociopathic tendencies, and accordingly, they delight in other people having hurt feelings.
                        3. Trolls consider themselves separate from the social order.
                        4. Trolls do not abide by etiquette or the rules of common courtesy.
                        5. Trolls consider themselves above social responsibility.
                        1. Trolls gain energy by you insulting them.
                        2. Trolls gain energy when you get angry.
                        3. The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore him, or take away his ability to post online.
                        How Should I Deal With Internet Trolls?

                        You cannot win with a troll. Publicly retaliating against them just fuels their childish need for attention.

                        There are only 3 reliable ways to deal with trolls, all of which focus on removing their audience, removing their power, and depriving them of the attention they seek.


                        1. For a casual or emergent troll: completely ignore the person's postings. While it is difficult for most users to to let a troll have the last word, this tactic successfully takes the wind out of a casual troll's sails.
                        2. For repeating troll offenders: report them to the moderators of the system. If enough people report the toll, this will often prompt the moderators to take action (see number 3 below)
                        3. Have the moderators take away the troll's ability to post online. This will commonly mean that the troll is kicked from the system, or blocked by IP address. Even better is when the troll is allowed to continue posting, but unbeknownst to him: all of his postings are deleted from everyone else's view. This will lure the troll into wasting his efforts while still feeling proud of his childish antics. This moderator move is sometimes called 'muting' or 'bonzo-ing' the offender.
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                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          WalkingCarpet wasn't bright enough to be a troll. He was just a moron. I assure you that Cartman is a troll ... and a professional one at that. They don't get much better. Trolls are almost formulaic in their attacks and many get deluded into thinking they are joking or they're just regular jerks. There's a certain talent to the precise, calculated attacks that a good troll pulls off. I've studied them for a long time.
                          That was useful, Suzanne.

                          I still don't get what they get out of it. When I was a kid, I had a friend that made obscene phone calls to girls in school. He really really enjoyed it. And I had no idea what he was getting out of it.

                          How can the frustration of others, be fun? All I can think of, is that they feel powerful, because you can't get to them (Like people yelling at you in a car, when they would never dare do it in person)

                          If I thought for one second, that my insults at Kurt and Riffle, actually bothered them, I'd quit and apologize.

                          Maybe Cali has some input.
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            That was useful, Suzanne.

                            I still don't get what they get out of it. When I was a kid, I had a friend that made obscene phone calls to girls in school. He really really enjoyed it. And I had no idea what he was getting out of it.

                            How can the frustration of others, be fun? All I can think of, is that they feel powerful, because you can't get to them (Like people yelling at you in a car, when they would never dare do it in person)

                            If I thought for one second, that my insults at Kurt and Riffle, actually bothered them, I'd quit and apologize.

                            Maybe Cali has some input.
                            I know. I used to wonder too, but the total destruction of threads or conversations ... creating a flame war ... is the ultimate goal and it is pure entertainment to them. They even have troll buddies and brag to their friends about their take downs. It's a culture I've never been a part of, but have seen in action for many years, way back to newsgroups.
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            How can the frustration of others, be fun?
                            Well, to be fair, in my rules others come in two categories: Benign and malignant.

                            I personally derive great joy from sticking needles in the ass of the malignant ones. People who fit the following words: pompous, sanctimonious, toxic, bully.
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                              Originally Posted by agc View Post

                              I personally derive great joy from sticking needles in the ass of the malignant ones. People who fit the following words: pompous, sanctimonious, toxic, bully.
                              Which in fact sounds pompous in and of itself in that you feel you are the determiner of the malignant ones. Claude sounds the same way anointing himself the reasonable among the unreasonable. SO whose to say you are not trolling? Not calling you one but pointing out the reality -

                              Troll has no concrete meaning anymore. Its just subjective babble from people who feel they are superior or more "in" and to be honest the troll detectors are often just trolling with trolling - using it as nothing more than an insult themselves to stir up contention.

                              You can see the subjectivity with some of Suzanne many definitions. Take this one

                              An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities.
                              and um whose doing the feeling here as the determinant or the one shocked? abusive to you because you don't like the opinion, obnoxious again because its not a view you share? because here's the thing - I never see anyone object too loudly to strong statements when they agree with that sentiment. Check it out - how often do you ever see someone say "I agree with you totally but you are a troll!"?

                              Almost never because troll very often is just an attempt at censorship.

                              Lets look at another one pertinent to this forum -

                              sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community
                              Off topic messages you say? Like the people who have complained that any thread can be taken off into an endless stream of Claude jokes and basically been told - too bad its not going to stop or change? Yet wheres the definition and accusation of trolling there? (the people opining trolling right now in this thread have nothing to say on that or come up with some excuse why that definition doesn't apply)

                              Nowhere....... because 9 times out of 10 all trolling means is - I don't like your opinions, don't share your style and you should conform to our wishes or mind your Ps and Qs in our presence.

                              The end

                              The other 1 in ten are people playing a part for fun or people who people that might have been ticked off while in lurk mode...so by far now - troll is just a way to say shut up you idiot and just a cheap insult in itself.
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                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                Which in fact sounds pompous in and of itself in that you feel you are the determiner of the malignant ones.

                                ...

                                SO whose to say you are not trolling? Not calling you one but pointing out the reality -

                                Troll has no concrete meaning anymore. Its just subjective babble from people who feel they are superior or more "in" and to be honest the troll detectors are often just trolling with trolling - using it as nothing more than an insult themselves to stir up contention.
                                Srsly? Of course it's subjective and of course some people's opinions matter more than others. Duh. The real world is like that. This isn't kindergarten and we're not all getting participation trophies even if we spill our milk and are fussy at nap time.

                                Wtf do I care if an abusive jackass gets his feelings hurt. If that kind of thing bothers you well more power to you. But I guarantee you aren't going to get me to give 2 sh**s about them, no matter how hard you try.

                                Decent people earn my respect, and they get my respect. And those who earn disrespect get disrespect. You seem decent. I respect you. At least so far.

                                I will say this... I tend to reserve judgement and gather facts and watch and see for a while. The faster the knee jerks, the more likely the foot is to land in its own ass.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                  Originally Posted by agc View Post

                                  Srsly? Of course it's subjective and of course some people's opinions matter more than others. Duh. The real world is like that. This isn't kindergarten and we're not all getting participation trophies even if we spill our milk and are fussy at nap time.
                                  and unless your work for freelancer - yours doesn't matter over any other members here - welcome to the real world. Thats the whole point - your definitions of trolling don't matter - only the mods. Sorry just a real world point. You and Claude were opining civil reasoned discussion and now its all emotion and bluster

                                  Wtf do I care if an abusive jackass gets his feelings hurt. If that kind of thing bothers you well more power to you. But I guarantee you aren't going to get me to give 2 sh**s about them, no matter how hard you try.

                                  lol....ummm me of all people? Ummm Mike Anthony trying hard to win you over? Has the OT world ever seen such a thing? This board seriously needs a rolling emoticon. Last time I read you on debates and discussion it was all about intelligence, rationality etc. Now its all beating the chest and emotion. Go figure. Who cares what you accept? its a valid point and its made without reference to your acceptance

                                  bottom line is trolling means nothing 9 times out of ten. its pretty much the word for idiot on the internet. You pretty much just proved it. Its a person claiming to be more in important or smarter over someone else even when the other person often is the smarter one

                                  Some times with a few posters online its something real - guy just doing things for jollies but most of the time the claim of trolling is just well.....

                                  Five year old kindergarten stuff like taunting

                                  - "you are an idiot...no you are no you are...everything you say bounces back off of me and sticks to you."

                                  Yawn..
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                              Originally Posted by agc View Post

                              Well, to be fair, in my rules others come in two categories: Benign and malignant.

                              I personally derive great joy from sticking needles in the ass of the malignant ones. People who fit the following words: pompous, sanctimonious, toxic, bully.
                              Hey! Pompous and Sanctimonious is my thing.

                              Oh, I forgot, I'm also Judgmental...you forgot Judgmental.

                              I get no joy from arguing with anyone. But then, I also get no joy when they agree with me.

                              And very few people can be convinced with reason. That fact is pounded into my face every day. Both here, and in my work. I know how to use that to my advantage...but it certainly gives me no pleasure.
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                                Originally Posted by agc View Post

                                Here's a helpful tip for separating the trolls from the debaters and the jokers.

                                The trolls have no sense of humor and no willingness to debate.

                                It may take a few rounds, but it becomes obvious quick enough.
                                Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                                Hey -- I'm no shortass.



                                Yeah -- what happened to the guy on here a while back offerin' to be drunk alla the time?

                                It is a weird thing.

                                Guess we gotta figure who's up next now Davo is back from the wilderness.
                                Yes, l quickly realised that with Cartman, never got a reply. So l just thought that he was an id,....troll, and kept away!

                                The drunk guy did a runner, probably a good idea, only a matter of time before he got banned?

                                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                                WalkingCarpet wasn't bright enough to be a troll. He was just a moron. I assure you that Cartman is a troll ... and a professional one at that. They don't get much better. Trolls are almost formulaic in their attacks and many get deluded into thinking they are joking or they're just regular jerks. There's a certain talent to the precise, calculated attacks that a good troll pulls off. I've studied them for a long time.

                                It is pointless to debate them and only furthers the destruction of a thread to have any dialog with them at all. The emotional responses and anger that they get is all entertainment to them and it is exactly what they want.

                                Here's some interesting excerpts:
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                                True, Cartman was a professional troll, WC, was a troll in training, but was to psychotic to pull it off!

                                I mean you don't post something that could get you banned for life, here, go away and when you have sobered up, come back and delete it?

                                By then it is copied, and your head is in the noose!


                                I had WC, send me a PM about "How is it Hanging, and references to roasting". Any way you look at it, it is negative and aggressive.

                                Then a few days later PM me again about selling me a puppy, and advise about taking care of a stray cat?

                                I don't know how anyone could be friends with a doctor Jekyl and Mr Hyde type?

                                So yeah, he showed zero remorse, or responsibility for his actions, but as we remember he, was God, so apparently his actions are faultless.

                                Even losing a tooth wasn't a mistake, groan.

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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  Perhaps someone perceived it as anti religious for the line: "Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there, and shouting "I found it!""

                  I know someone posted something about atheists and agnostics afterwards. Princess had a good reply and there were a couple other clever ones. Yes, too bad but I think someone probably reported it.
                  There were some clever replies. And I think one or several of those replies offended a Moderator.....or it offended someone that reported the thread as offensive.

                  Personally, I thought it was a lively exchange of humorous lines.
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                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Somebody got a soapbox for Christmas.

                      not short....don't need one. Want me to regift?

                      I could throw in a primer on fallacious reasoning as a stocking stuffer.
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                  • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    lol......Princess b had a great addition
                    strapon punchline

                    dunno why the thread got pulled

                    looked innocent
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                      Perhaps someone perceived it as anti religious for the line: "Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there, and shouting "I found it!""

                      I know someone posted something about atheists and agnostics afterwards. Princess had a good reply and there were a couple other clever ones. Yes, too bad but I think someone probably reported it.
                      Let's not jump to conclusions.

                      Could all have to do with the cat being BLACK.

                      You all have heard right? We are no longer allowed to sing "White Christmas."

                      Some College Students Sign Petition To Ban Song 'White Christmas' : snopes.com
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                      strapon punchline

                      dunno why the thread got pulled

                      looked innocent
                      what do you care? I see you got someone to neck with. I ain't judgin. Wherever you find love its all good and the red noses match for a happy couple. Hows the supply a egg nog holding up?

                      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                      Lol. Well, that was a prank, you know. Some people will sign just about any petition.
                      Wait that was a serious comment? thought Jill was joking considering what the article actually states.
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                      • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        Hows the supply a egg nog holding up?
                        I am tinglin' with a divine radiance.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                          Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                          I am tinglin' with a divine radiance.
                          That snowman arm has looked to me like a line of something going into your nose for a week now. If you're not tinglin by now, well.....
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                          Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                          I am tinglin' with a divine radiance.
                          You are definitely affected by spirits but it aint divine.
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                          • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                            You are definitely affected by spirits but it aint divine.
                            At least I did not perform a Satanic ritual on Davo's goat post as I nibbled on the figgy puddin'.

                            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                            That snowman arm has looked to me like a line of something going into your nose for a week now. If you're not tinglin by now, well.....
                            Hey, the only thing I want up my nose right now is the smell of frost.

                            Also mebbe a coupla grapes so I can make it through the mushroom clouds of sprout gas waftin' evrywhere.
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    BTW: This is a classic. As true today as it was 20 years ago

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Trolls are as old as the Internet and have not changed one iota. To disavow that they exist or that the word troll has no meaning is ridiculous. They are so easy to spot. To imply that they're just ordinary folk with valid "opinions" debating just like the rest of us is also ridiculous. Simply not true and banning them into oblivion until they come back and return as a new troll is what moderators do. Call that censorship if you like. It's taking care of a forum, everyday stuff ... taking out the trash, much like cleaning up the spam. Or is that censorship too? lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Trolls are as old as the Internet and have not changed one iota. To disavow that they exist or that the word troll has no meaning is ridiculous. They are so easy to spot.
      Trolls exist no doubt so you read that wrong but you have to have your head in the sand to not see that for everyone claiming someone else is trolling mods seldom boot the person.It has no meaning in the same way that "fool" doesn't mean anything in particular. Its no longer a word denoting real lack of intelligence - its just an insult in too many cases to be limited to its fixed meaning

      Its a name call in most cases. Plain and simp. ALso has nothing to do with cleaning up and taking out the trash....Mods seldom use the word - they just delete the posts. Almost all the time you hear people flinging it back and forth is a non mod a few even with the delusion that they should have mod powers.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Its a name call in most cases. Plain and simp. ALso has nothing to do with cleaning up and taking out the trash....Mods seldom use the word - they just delete the posts. Almost all the time you hear people flinging it back and forth is a non mod a few even with the delusion that they should have mod powers.
        Well, I've never wanted mod powers and still don't want mod powers but I can spot a troll without any problems. It's more than a name. It's watching the overall behavior of a poster and the results and it was clear from the start that Cartman was/is a troll. He made a big mistake trolling the upstairs as well as OT and that is why he didn't last very long.

        There's a big difference between someone who operates in a methodical, destructive way to take down threads or to insult large amounts of people or to attack certain segments of the forum (such as women or gay or whatever) and the ordinary forum jerk. In reality, I read his posts with some amusement.

        I never reported a single one of his posts, as they didn't break any rules in OT, but I did notice an excessively rude demeanor in a couple of upstairs threads, where his tone was demeaning and condescending, although I didn't follow him to see what he was up to. The mods have taken a harder stance on rudeness upstairs lately.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Trolls exist no doubt so you read that wrong but you have to have your head in the sand to not see that for everyone claiming someone else is trolling mods seldom boot the person.It has no meaning in the same way that "fool" doesn't mean anything in particular. Its no longer a word denoting real lack of intelligence - its just an insult in too many cases to be limited to its fixed meaning

          Its a name call in most cases. Plain and simp. ALso has nothing to do with cleaning up and taking out the trash....Mods seldom use the word - they just delete the posts. Almost all the time you hear people flinging it back and forth is a non mod a few even with the delusion that they should have mod powers.
          True, l shouldn't call an A***H**** a troll?

          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Well, I've never wanted mod powers and still don't want mod powers but I can spot a troll without any problems. It's more than a name. It's watching the overall behavior of a poster and the results and it was clear from the start that Cartman was/is a troll. He made a big mistake trolling the upstairs as well as OT and that is why he didn't last very long.

          There's a big difference between someone who operates in a methodical, destructive way to take down threads or to insult large amounts of people or to attack certain segments of the forum (such as women or gay or whatever) and the ordinary forum jerk. In reality, I read his posts with some amusement.

          I never reported a single one of his posts, as they didn't break any rules in OT, but I did notice an excessively rude demeanor in a couple of upstairs threads, where his tone was demeaning and condescending, although I didn't follow him to see what he was up to. The mods have taken a harder stance on rudeness upstairs lately.
          No, l didn't either, but l quickly got tired of one way conversations, seems that he was right no matter what?

          But in all honesty who would follow someone with three women, who are probably getting tired of non-commitment?


          But trolls are everywhere, had someone on a graphics forum who was determined to prove that he or his work was great, and the mods where idiots.

          Those who agreed, got a reply and those that told him the truth, that his work was ok, but he needed to work harder, no reply!

          The funny thing was, was within a few months, as l had predicted, he showed up again with zero work accepted, (he mainly did logo's) and at least was willing to accept that he wasn't right.

          Yes some trolls can get out from under the bridge and see the light but most can't!


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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            But trolls are everywhere, had someone on a graphics forum who was determined to prove that he or his work was great, and the mods where idiots.

            Those who agreed, got a reply and those that told him the truth, that his work was ok, but he needed to work harder, no reply!
            Really sounds more like someone who believed his work was greater than it was rather than someone whose entire intention is to reduce threads to flames for entertainment purposes.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I never reported a single one of his posts, as they didn't break any rules in OT, but I did notice an excessively rude demeanor in a couple of upstairs threads, where his tone was demeaning and condescending, although I didn't follow him to see what he was up to. The mods have taken a harder stance on rudeness upstairs lately.
          I'll take your word for it in regard to Cartman since I never read him upstairs. Mine was just a general observation
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Pretty much illustrates my point. Seemed like trolling to you but not to Suzanne. Get two people disagreeing strongly on board after board after board on the internet and "troll" is the go to insult.
            Maybe Suzanne should write a short list of what makes a troll?

            Some confusion on what is the difference between a troll and a jerk?


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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            I'll take your word for it in regard to Cartman since I never read him upstairs. Mine was just a general observation
            He really is the funniest troll I've ever read. I went back and read his upstairs posts and it's easy to see why he was banned. Not only did he insult people in threads in nearly all of his upstairs posts, but he did the same thing in people's WSOs .... going into a WSO and badmouthing the product and the seller without ever having bought the product. That would have been an instant ban before and apparently, it wasn't well received by mods here now.

            Tagiscom's definition of troll just validates some of what you said. I don't use it for everyone who is just an annoying jerk or that I don't agree with. I use it for a very defined type of posting. Otherwise, it is just a name or insult thrown around for anyone who annoys you.
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            • Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              I went back and read his upstairs posts and it's easy to see why he was banned.
              I missed mosta the action upstairs, mainly cos I am such a superficial loser, but he got very personal an' unsavory down here.

              Wonder who we're gonna get next?
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                Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                I missed mosta the action upstairs, mainly cos I am such a superficial loser, but he got very personal an' unsavory down here.

                Wonder who we're gonna get next?
                He's probably already back. I don't know how long the ban is, but it wouldn't surprise me if he already has a new account.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  He's probably already back. I don't know how long the ban is, but it wouldn't surprise me if he already has a new account.
                  Any chance you could tell us where and um, where, don't want to search the entire forum for Tro,... jerk like activity?

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                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    Any chance you could tell us where and um, where, don't want to search the entire forum for Tro,... jerk like activity?
                    When he returns - whether under his current account or a new one - he'll be easy to spot soon enough. He won't be able to refrain for long from ranting about the evils of marriage or how awful / selfish / greedy / cheap women are in general.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    Any chance you could tell us where and um, where, don't want to search the entire forum for Tro,... jerk like activity?

                    Of course not tag. I'd actually have to spend a lot of time reading the entire forum, which I am not inclined to want to do. In addition, he was such a hilarious troll that I was considering keeping him for a pet. He's the one who screwed that up by infiltrating the upstairs and commercial threads.
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                Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                Wonder who we're gonna get next?
                Well might not be next but ahem........ you have me.

                People been gunning for years to send me up the hill of no return.

                If it happens one day that their hard work rewards me with extra free time then

                Here's looking at you kid. We'll always have nuttin an honey.
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                • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  People been gunning for years to send me up the hill of no return.
                  Hey, you gotta stick around for your 10,000th post, Mikey.

                  I will try to make it thru till January...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                    Back in Banned Camp AGAIN!

                    Can you guess who? I just noticed.
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                      Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                      Back in Banned Camp AGAIN!

                      Can you guess who? I just noticed.
                      I'm positive I know who you mean.
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                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        I'm positive I know who you mean.
                        Why does getting banned or even put on double secret probation have to have such a negative feel about it?
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                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          Why does getting banned or even put on double secret probation have to have such a negative feel about it?
                          Not in my world. Getting banned is a badge of honor. I wear mine, proudly. :-)

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              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              H Not only did he insult people in threads in nearly all of his upstairs posts, but he did the same thing in people's WSOs .... going into a WSO and badmouthing the product and the seller without ever having bought the product.
              Thing is in a year or less many people who did buy those WSOs will have another phrase to describe him

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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Really sounds more like someone who believed his work was greater than it was rather than someone whose entire intention is to reduce threads to flames for entertainment purposes.
      Yes, you could say that, but he also, went on about how stupid the mods were, for not accepting his, full of error logo's.

      He just kept saying how wonderful his work was, and how his friends thought so as well,.... but put it in the real world, and it fails.

      I thought that his constant personal attacks on the mods, where trolllike, as well as individuals like me pointing out the obvious issues, but no reply.

      If you said how wonderful his work was, then you would get a reply.

      To this day about 7 months later, he probably hasn't got any of his stuff accepted in GR.

      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      When is the WSO coming out?

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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Yes, you could say that, but he also, went on about how stupid the mods were, for not accepting his, full of error logo's.

        He just kept saying how wonderful his work was, and how his friends thought so as well,.... but put it in the real world, and it fails.
        Pretty much illustrates my point. Seemed like trolling to you but not to Suzanne. Get two people disagreeing strongly on board after board after board on the internet and "troll" is the go to insult.
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    Why?

    If they rub me raw, they're a troll. That's all the definition I need.
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  • Profile picture of the author agc
    It's weird... the forum management used to have faces, they were members, you kinda knew where they were coming from and what they were about.

    Now, it's like.... hmm. it's like the Priest Kings (Gor reference). You know they're out there and you more or less know what the rules are, but you never see them.

    But it's very impersonal now. No PM about it, no discussion, no real interaction at all. Just "PbsSzzztttzZZssZAPP!" as lightning strikes someone who was kinda across the line.

    Whelp, guess he's gone. Move it along people, nothing to see here.
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      Originally Posted by agc View Post


      Whelp, guess he's gone. Move it along people, nothing to see here.
      But inquiring minds want to know!
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