Why Are So Many People "Snarky" & "Witty"?

Saying: "Go Search For It"

Is hardly teaching....

Hey ease up there princess snarky! Lol

Ha I knew someone was going to bring this up. But see, you don't know the purpose of why I was asking the question. There was a very specific reason, and it's not as unintelligent as you think.

You asked a question that has been asked many times in many different ways.

How do I make money without much of a product or skills ... and maybe in my pajamas.

That kind of question doesn't really serve anyone very well. There are no instant products and instant profits, as your question implies. Building an online business takes time, skills and work, and your question just gives more hopeless dreamers here the impression that it doesn't take time, skills and work and probably some monetary investment as well.

Many of us are sick of the fly by night sellers here who peddle that kind of crap to newbies and then the newbies come back whining about all the money they spent on products that promise instant profits with little to no work ... that don't actually work. Duh ... who knows why they continue to think that it will, but they do.

It's really as simple as that. Get serious about business or get a job.

I jus' hope snark & wits
forever triumph over
repetitz.

I have no probs with people askin' questions, but there are stickies -- and Google.

people are just getting frustrated.


"how can I make $200 a day" 20 same threads this week


"tell me how to make money" 10 same threads this week


etc!!

I enjoy your posts Joan, and consider you someone who does try to add value and be helpful. But why not encourage people to learn to search for things?

I have no issue with answering noob questions. But for the first time posters who don't even appear to make an effort it becomes tedious. First questions out of the gate that allude to "I need to make x dollars by next week" and it is like one sentence - do you really think those people have a chance at going anywhere if they don't learn to have the skill to research a bit first?

Every business requires some thought and research.

I honestly don't want someone to waste their time on some wishy washy idea because they read some elaborate sales thread in the MMO niche and think that they can solve all their problems in a week.

I think you know - this just doesn't happen.

Some call it snarky, I call it tough love. They need a quick wake up call, and the sooner the better.

Would rather slap someone back to reality quickly then see them waste hundreds on WSO products only to get kicked out of their home cause I led them on to thinking this was all a field of flowers and we were just going to hand out the answers to every little thing.

People need to EARN respect and WORK to become successful.

While it appears easier for some than for others - this is not the point. Even the ones who seem to make it easy have to do some work and will have to do their own searching for personalized answers to things.

Asking for help is one thing. Asking for everything to be handed out on a silver platter cause you just joined the forum and "expect" it is entirely another.

I think you are being a bit niave and missing the reason why these questions are being asked.

For a lot of the time it's to gather information to put together in some two bit $7 WSO and not a geninue question.

That said this wasn't started by a newbie

What if you've been a member for say 7 years and have asked the same question in various guises?

Do we still have to tell them the same answer over and over again?

I've spent years working on my business, spent thousands on educating myself, more implementing what I've learnt.

I've been knocked on my arse more times than I can count, sacrificed family time, health,holidays, luxuries like food and heating all to get to the top of my game.

Having gone through that I should give all that I know away to every tom dick and harry that comes looking for a bright red button, shiney object, riches whilst you sleep solution but can't be bothered to search.

You say the replies are rude well I think it's rude to ask these styles of question. It would be more honest to just ask me for money.

So does this mean I don't help people on here, no. I'm happy to give advice and support people who are honestly trying to develop their business.

I guess my POV is a simple one.

Right now, I'm not sellin' anythin' or offerin' my writin' services to people smart enough to throw themselves at my feet, so I'm here on a 'Cruise Around, Mebbe Go Fish' ticket.

Part of that involves offerin' advice where I can (and the Mind Warriors have been on the receivin' end of some real gems, tellya), providin' snarkfodder for people to snort with gusto as they stumble blindly through life's unyelding nightmare toward eventual oblivion -- an' yeah, mebbe havin' a less than positive regard for various shades of leeches & other lifeforms incapable of performin' the basic legwork demanded of an inveterate invertebrate.

Newbishness suggests a kinda innocence, an' a real desire to pursue truth an' knowledge, an' sharin' with those people is always a pleasure long as they don't try to lick your face.

Where I draw the line is with the ignorant kinda noobs whose innocence runs to tryin' to replace their own bloodstreams with someone else's, and for these guys I reserve the right to rain down upon them my fullness of witzosnark, if only to keep everyone else entertained.

In principle, a Noobs section appears to make sense. Let everyone of a noob persuasion hang out there in a swamp of wisdom-seeking purity. Problem is, likely they'd be ignored, and we'd wake up one day to find em' all strung up by their own question marks. If they're here, forumwide an' visible, at least the Papa Francescos of IM can apply the necessary assistance swiftly if they wanna.

So: I am not being randomly unkind, unjust & bitchtastic here.

I have principles, an' I am tryin' to apply 'em for the common good while maintainin' my lifegivin' smirkolish.

I turned up the volume on my computer speakers but still didn't hear anything.

Lovingly yours,

Princess Snarky

Haha. Mods listening? You're funny

Sure, but only if the latter (which often isn't as innocent as anyone could hope) isn't the cause of the former.

I lol'd at handling people gently. That's totally how the business world works.

Repetition is mastery. Every time the same question is answered in a new way it broadens the persepcdtive. There are things I have heard for years and never "got it" until someone just happened to say it with the right twist of words that turned my lightbulb on.

If my first telemarketing boss had been snarky I would have never succeeded, but he was very caring, patient, and no question was too stupid.

I agree that rather than being snarky, a person could add alot of value by not being to lazy to just give a good answer or at very least link someone to a page that has one. The snarky stuff undermines the quality of a newbies experience here... I think it makes the forum look bad and a drag to read. My thought is that if you dont like the post or question just ignore it.... but to come in an be mean or say something snarky makes it not very welcoming.

I also agree with another poster that the only other resport is to have people pulling up 90 year old threads all day.

On another note; I think sometimes people just ask questions because they are anxious to jump in and participate and be acknowledged.... but they are met with negative acknowledgement. They probably think the point of it is to come in and ask questions...

I think that's what the forum is built upon and alot of people easily forget what it was like when they were newbies.

It's just very unbecoming to come across to a new member like "Are you too stupid to use the search function?" Not very welcoming.

Hi Amber

One of the issues of late are Idiots who dig up old threads just to spam their signature or link , but where this is an issue is that some are 6 yrs old and you are right things do change.

So you do the right thing and post this is an old thread don't post and some warrior been here for a few years Ignores this! so now you have newbies posting! when in fact had the Mods got on to it right away there would never been an issue.

I only thanked you cause you typed a lot of words in that post.

You know Amber, you are right. I don't have to post at all. But my snarkyness as of late is in no need to fill an ego request for superiority.

The issue is this main discussion forum is/was becoming a solid wall of the same question over and over - and it gets to the point where no one will post anything anymore if the only thing you see in every other post (or what was feeling like every other post) is the same thing.

It's hard to give a "quick shot at answering" when it's a one to two sentence inquiry that tells me absolutely nothing about the person and doesn't give me the impression they are here to really learn to build a business. It truly feels like pulling teeth to get enough information to give an answer that I can be confident to give.

I spent over 20 years working in restaurants as a server/bartender. When meeting/seeing a customer for the first time I could tell within the first 15 seconds how things were going to go as far as figuring out who I was dealing with, how I was going to have to help/approach them, and those people who had no clue what they wanted I could narrow it down for them and tell them what they wanted within a minute. And perhaps part of this was actually seeing who I was dealing with and being able to read their face and expressions.

When we are on the internet in a forum like this, we don't actually see people. We have to rely on getting a gist of who they are from their writing styles, the vocabulary they use (this gets extra tricky with foreign people who English is not their first language but bless them for trying) and I find I need that full 15 seconds of when I could see someone converted into perhaps a good 3-5 minutes of reading from something they have written.

So the first post comes in, and it is all of 2 sentences. And this is of no help to me. Let me give you some examples:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...how-start.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...nd-advice.html

I'll admit, after digging those up, it is looking like a lot of the new user posts we've been getting may have been cleaned up as I did have to go back a few pages.

And this could be where you are coming from. I don't know your personal frequency of visiting this forum but having logged in her nearly every day for the past few weeks the amount of non thoughtful inquiries on "how do I make money" was coming to an explosive rate of full volcanic activity.

These were new posters which I could not go back and dig through their history to learn more about and I could not get the impression that they were aspiring entrepreneurs. It was feeling like Halloween every day with the kids showing up at the door asking for candy - but we are not kids here and Halloween is over!

People are supposed to be 18 to join this forum. At 18 you'd think there would be a tid bit of common sense right?

I have no issue with answering something that has been asked before if it is a well posed question. Give me something I can chew on a bit and customize an answer based on as many pertinent details as you can give me.

Don't expect a sugar coated answer cause I ain't their mama, and if I sense someones time would be spent better elsewhere I'm going to let them know.

And if people here came to me and said, "Princess Snarky, you really have no business doing any of this internet or IM stuff and you could do better elsewhere" then I'd probably thank them for giving me the kick because life is too short to be wasting it on things that are not going to enhance or enrich my experience in this world.

Many years ago I sold a product that worked with a two-tiered affiliate program. This affiliate program reported all the earnings of the people I got to sign up for the program under me.


Since I also had a product directly related to this affiliate program, I'd get questions for support.


To a "tee", I could tell from the questions which people made money and which didn't. The people that didn't make money would ask questions they could quickly find the answers to themselves in the search engines.


Those that did make money, didn't ask a lot of questions, but when they did, they were questions about things they couldn't find answers to and were questions about things like my personal experiences.


To this day, I believe this is a "poker tell" for those who are (or will be) successful and those that won't. Successful people don't wait for someone to answer a question unless they absolutely have to. They will take matters into their own hands and either research the answer right now or figure it out on their own.


Unsuccessful people either can't or won't take matters into their own hands whenever possible and depend on others for a solution.

And ya know what? MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of dollars have been raked in by people promising to spoon feed a simple solution to a newb for $49.95 for 15+ years, now. Err, excuse me, it all has to end in a 7, lol, so for $47 dollars the answers will be spoonfed.

Crap is all over the Net, isn't it? This notion of being spoonfed a simple solution if ya fork over a few bucks, and MANY copywriters are quite proud of their ability to hit people's emotional buttons like this, aren't they? I agree with your assessment of the tone of many of these threads, but whose fault is that? You seem to want to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the naive newb. I don't. I place plenty of blame upon these 'self-motivated entrepreneurs'.

You guys don't seem to want to ACKNOWLEDGE that that attitude has been harbored and PROFITED from for many years now - the give me a few bucks, and I'll spoon feed you a simple way to make yerself a millionaire.

You guys just turn a blind eye to that and pontificate. And no, I am not accusing anyone personally in this thread of that, merely stating the fact that IMers, these 'entrepreneurs', are the SINGLE BIGGEST SOURCE of this 'spoonfed' mentality in newbs concerning making money on the Net. All of the landing pages promise it, as has a whole, whole bunch 'o WSOs and ads I have seen on WF since I registered here.

So, send them off searching the basement of WF threads to look for all of those promises, plus all of the many, many posts penned by people who never really made any money and don't really know what the hell they are talking about?

Is this some type of net entrepreneur initiation ritual or weed-out process?

And your acknowledgement of how much HORRIBLE AND OUTDATED advice the search button will return? Where is that? A new entrepreneur is still a n00b, and could always use some guidance.

Sheesh. It seems you guys want to send newbs on the continual snipe hunt. You should at least add the disclaimer, "Once you use that search button, remember that the vast, vast majority of posts you come across here are made by people who never made any damn money at any of this."

And lets be frank, there really are NOT that many entrepreneurs asking questions here, like it seems you might be making it out to be. Nor are 99% of these question askers going anywhere with this stuff, search button or not. Mainly it is people with unrealistic dreams, is all. People who's lives suck and they are desperate. That stirs compassion in me, but condemnation in you, it seems.

I'm sticking with the 'it's better to be a little kharmically cool to someone asking a question, and just answer it than a curt, rude, [insert level of profanity you are comfortable with here, lol]'. But, that is just me and to each their own.

I did mention I see BOTH sides, yours too, tjr, but some of you only want to see this as a black or white, a your side only thing, and condemn, condemn, condemn.

And now, I gots me some of that entrepreneurial stuff to do, so I'm done in this rather meaningless thread. A thread that exemplifies what a forum is - a whole bunch 'o people chatting about different things, just for the sake of chatting.

That's BS, these users you are referring to get "upset" when people are too lazy to use the brain that God gave them... The ones that want everything for FREE, handed to them on a silver platter...

Let me tell you a little secret my misguided friend... Those "the more helpful" are usually the ones only posting to advertise, scam, fraud, mislead.... So be careful who you take advice from or pay money too...

So, you know what?

I went to the first day of a 3 day seminar thing for all things wordpress, php, design, etc.

You know what I heard from the instructors today as a comment to the whole class - regarding when you don't know what something is or how to do it?

"YOU CAN JUST DO A GOOGLE SEARCH"

Encouragement to the class to not hesitate to go search for things on their own.

Did I mention this is a weekend event I paid for?

Was I upset over this comment? Hellz no.

I'll be the first to admit that on occasion I don't know what exactly it is that I'm searching for, and maybe need someone to toss me the correct jargon.

But I do know I've seen requests for help here where someone begins by saying, "I searched for this but couldn't find it" or "I saw this but it was from a year or two ago and is that still the case." I don't mind doing what I can for those requests as there was some initiative on the other persons part to do something.

Just sayin'.

Here's the thing - some of us take the time to look into history before being 'snarky'. When someone starts a list of threads like Jeff listed - and hardly even posts in them EXCEPT to start the thread...you have to wonder what the point is.


If you look you'll see the only time the OP becomes involved in his own thread as it grows is when he is calling answers (or members) "ignorant" - and he doesn't bother to thank those who respond helpfully in his threads.


Sometimes snarky is a response to a pattern you may not have noticed.




Edit: ....and none of the above matters one whit....you can start threads as you please, answer or not, thank people or not...and it's no one's business except mods...




....until you start threads where you put other members down...then snarky is what you earn...