Why Are So Many People "Snarky" & "Witty"?

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Most specifically on this forum, It's like people think they're more intelligent than the rest of us just because a person asks a question that's been asked before. Obviously they're asking for a reason, that's the point of this forum, right?

"But They Can Just Do a Quick Search"

Well then, that defeats the purpose of this forum, they might as well just go on Google and do a search then. Are you here to serve or to make people feel stupid who are trying to make a living?

If you want top notch topics then you should stop being a cheapskate and fork over some cash to join an advanced level mastermind.

If you see a question coming up over and over again - be intelligent and serve that problem, obviously that's more profitable than saying:

"This question again? haha Noob."

That's going to do more for you, for them, and for Warrior in general, as opposed to just being a snarky jerk.
#people #snarky #witty
  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    What is wrong with suggestion of the search feature?

    Teach a man to fish............

    The better someone poses a question or specific question, the better answers they will get.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
      Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

      What is wrong with suggestion of the search feature?

      Teach a man to fish............

      The better someone poses a question or specific question, the better answers they will get.
      Saying: "Go Search For It"

      Is hardly teaching....
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

      What is wrong with suggestion of the search feature?

      Teach a man to fish............

      The better someone poses a question or specific question, the better answers they will get.
      Hey ease up there princess snarky! Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Well, here is the link to the post you are probably talking about.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

    and anybody that reads it will understand why there were witty and snarky comments posted in this thread.

    You may not like it but many here are tired of so called "clever" ways of asking the same question that has been asked hundreds of times.

    Try asking specific questions about a product launch or product creation without the theatrics.

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    • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      Well, here is the link to the post you are probably talking about.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

      and anybody that reads it will understand why there were witty and snarky comments posted in this thread.

      You may not like it but many here are tired of so called "clever" ways of asking the same question that has been asked hundreds of times.

      Try asking specific questions about a product launch or product creation without the theatrics.

      al
      Ha I knew someone was going to bring this up. But see, you don't know the purpose of why I was asking the question. There was a very specific reason, and it's not as unintelligent as you think.
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      • Profile picture of the author agmccall
        Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

        But see, you don't know the purpose of why I was asking the question. There was a very specific reason, and it's not as unintelligent as you think.
        So, enlighten us

        al
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
          Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

          So, enlighten us

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          I asked the question first. You have yet to answer it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney View Post

            Hey ease up there princess snarky! Lol
            I have updated my subtitle under my user name just for you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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              Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

              I have updated my subtitle under my user name just for you.
              Hahahahaha love it!
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              • Profile picture of the author srumsley
                This thread is bringing out a lot of different points of view - all valid in their own way and according to the varieties of the personalities of each, BUT,

                (Yes, here comes my 2c worth)

                1. Surely one of the aims of the whole membership here should be reputation of friendliness? I don't come here often, I work quietly on my own projects and sometimes ask a question here, or try to answer one, and I OFTEN experience a put-down from someone. So, over the years my perception of this place as being friendly has changed.

                2. It's actually not easy to use the search feature to get specific questions answered (has anyone else noticed?). You can punch in a topic but the results are usually too broad and you have to scan through things for hours anyway. Wouldn't it be great if you could punch in a specific question and get a pick list reply "Do you mean...?" to choose from and go straight to the thread. (Yes you could google, but if you're already here, a search would be narrowed better)

                3. Real newbs truly aren't sure what to ask - they don't know what they need to know and they don't know what they don't know, so their questions are of course vague and general. Maybe they got the tip somewhere that this place would help steer them, they come and basically get told to get lost until they know some stuff.

                4. I can relate to having our collective patience wear thin (I have a house full of children, after all :-) ), but imagine the person manning a counter in a store who gets the same enquiries day in day out from every first-time customer. If they see themselves as there to be helpful and point the way (otherwise why do you come here to answer posts at all? Your sig?) and provide a service, are they going to get exasperated at customer number 25 and yell at them "Just read the signs we've already got on the walls, willya? Do that and you'll work it out, and DON'T WASTE MY TIME!" Well they might, but they have just re-defined themselves as something other than the helpful forum poster they might have been. Would you go back into a store like that? Even if his cap said "Volunteer".....

                Just my thoughts,

                Have a good day,

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            • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
              Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

              I have updated my subtitle under my user name just for you.
              Big Bully! I was gonna use Princess Snarky!
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

            I asked the question first. You have yet to answer it.
            Speaking of snarky responses....
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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            Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

            I asked the question first. You have yet to answer it.
            You writing a book or something? noBody is going to go out of their way to write pages and pages of an answer for you when all you have to do is use the search feature to find what people are doing to make money

            Seems to me you're tying to use the warrior forum (judging by your posts) to write a book on people's struggles or something. Being less snarky yourself and sctually helping people would get you further
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              "I asked the question first. You have yet to answer it."




              You post like the above often - and call others 'snarky'? No one has to answer anything here. When you post about guns to head and this sort of malarkey - why would anyone take you seriously?


              The other thread people are referring to was meant to impress - by talking about $10k deals you had 'almost completed'. But - turns out they didn't exist and you were called on it...now say you had other reasons for posting that thread. Are you saying you were playing games with people here by posting fiction to get responses?


              When new marketers ask simple questions, I figure 'they'll learn' and cut them a break. When someone has been here for years and is still playing question games - gloves come off.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

            I asked the question first. You have yet to answer it.
            This response is just as juvenile as your question was, which is why people don't take you seriously.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      You asked a question that has been asked many times in many different ways.

      How do I make money without much of a product or skills ... and maybe in my pajamas.

      That kind of question doesn't really serve anyone very well. There are no instant products and instant profits, as your question implies. Building an online business takes time, skills and work, and your question just gives more hopeless dreamers here the impression that it doesn't take time, skills and work and probably some monetary investment as well.

      Many of us are sick of the fly by night sellers here who peddle that kind of crap to newbies and then the newbies come back whining about all the money they spent on products that promise instant profits with little to no work ... that don't actually work. Duh ... who knows why they continue to think that it will, but they do.

      It's really as simple as that. Get serious about business or get a job.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

        I'm from Massachusetts, it's much worse here if you visit the wrong city.

        That's why I try to be a gentle and compassionate dude... Because I've been surrounded by more snobs than I can handle for much of my life.



        Later.

        PS:

        I don't mind repeat questions.

        I could quite easily and effortlessly argue that EVERY question has been asked. So... Does that mean that nobody is allowed to speak?

        I find it more annoying when someone nags about conducting a search.

        If you find an inquiry to be redundant, then who are you to litter their own thread with your complaining? Are they supposed to be contributing? Is that their idea of being helpful?

        -double facepalm-
        Hey buddy, been living on Nantucket for the past few years. Would guess I'm in a neighborhood you'd consider those "snobs."

        Truth is I'm a normal person. Not about "not allowed to speak". More about TAKE A LOOK AROUND THE PARTY YOU JUST CRASHED/WALKED INTO AND LISTEN FIRST (or in this case read some threads first and figure out where you are first and what you can do to assess where you are and how it might help you).
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

          Saying: "Go Search For It"

          Is hardly teaching....
          Well, I can understand someone coming into this forum and not necessarily SEEING the search button. There is quite a bit to distract people.

          But once you KNOW there is a search option, it is only common sense to use it.

          We are on the internet. People do searches on the internet every day. It is where we have evolved to.

          If someone is unwilling to SEARCH for their answers when given the knowledge that it is at their fingertips, then honestly it is not worth my time to help them. And more importantly they need to just high tail it out of here cause this is probably the most important skill for them to really learn as far as starting their own business.

          Seriously....
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Most specifically on this forum, It's like people think they're more intelligent than the rest of us just because a person asks a question that's been asked before. Obviously they're asking for a reason, that's the point of this forum, right?

    Chris,

    No, that's not the point of this forum, i.e. to keep answering the same questions over and over again.

    The point of this forum, IMO, is to have intelligent discussions of online marketing and how to make money.

    When the very same questions are asked over and over again, it distracts from the conversation, wastes people's time (for those responding and also those reading through similar posts), and doesn't add to the usefulness of this forum as a resource for many ideas.

    I know I get frustrated for the simple reason that most newbies coming here expect to have everything handed to them yet they are too lazy to simply search for what they want. If they would try to find their own answers and then ask if they could not find solutions, most likely no one would complain or be "snarky" (as you call it.)

    Most of the long standing members here are glad to help and genuinely interested in trying to offer valuable advise. But when someone brand new shows up and (often) demands to be given one's best resources, or one's top advertising venues, or one's most profitable niches, you should be able to understand why members get a little perturbed. They spend literally years and a lot of money to learn what they've learned and to discover what they've discovered . . . then someone with an entitlement attitude shows up and wants everything that they ask for . . . well it's fairly easy to understand what you consider "snarky" responses.

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    • I jus' hope snark & wits
      forever triumph over
      repetitz.

      I have no probs with people askin' questions, but there are stickies -- and Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jan Brzeski
    I think there's nothing wrong with telling people to search the forum. If they make it a habit, they will probably learn a lot than they would from the question they asked!

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Personally, I have no problems with DIFFERENT people asking the same question in different forms.

    Such situations present opportunities for new knowledge...

    How?

    Different people might see the questions and answer differently.

    The great thing about WF is it is an open space for people interested in IM with different skill/experience levels.
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  • Profile picture of the author Braznyc
    There are two sides to that story:

    1- Some people are lazy and can't even scroll down the first page of this forum to find a similar question they want to ask and try to see if they can get an answer there.


    2- Some people that answer the questions are not always the nicest people. That doesn't make this forum different from the "real world" where we live.
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    @OP yes sometimes it can be hard to have a intelligent discussion without some keyboard warrior coming along and trying to make somebody look stupid, newbie bashing is a sport for some people with nothing better to do, it's so easy for them to hide behind their screens and talk big, but when you see the same people in real life they don't say squat..the best advice I've found that works is "don't feed the trolls" just ignore them, they feed off the reaction of others...
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why Are So Many People "Snarky" & "Witty"?
    It's the nature of the wealthy and social hierachry. It's like this in every system or video game on Earth. Or the Universe(s) for that matter. Even the Pharisees was this way to Jesus.
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    • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
      people are just getting frustrated.


      "how can I make $200 a day" 20 same threads this week


      "tell me how to make money" 10 same threads this week


      etc!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    I'm from Massachusetts, it's much worse here if you visit the wrong city.

    That's why I try to be a gentle and compassionate dude... Because I've been surrounded by more snobs than I can handle for much of my life.



    Later.

    PS:

    I don't mind repeat questions.

    I could quite easily and effortlessly argue that EVERY question has been asked. So... Does that mean that nobody is allowed to speak?

    I find it more annoying when someone nags about conducting a search.

    If you find an inquiry to be redundant, then who are you to litter their own thread with your complaining? Are they supposed to be contributing? Is that their idea of being helpful?

    -double facepalm-
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    For me it was the way that you put the question across Chris! asking what would people do if they had a gun to their heads. I understand that you would have some reason as to asked this but after having a mate take his own life last week by taking a gun to his head hit a raw nerve.

    I think had you written question better you may have had a better response IMHO...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    A couple thoughts:

    1. I may be seen as one of the snarky ones but I truly don't mean to be. I try to be nice in any help I give to others. I try to give the benefit of the doubt.

    I do point out inconsistencies such as "earn $30,000 a day while you sleep" in a sig while asking how to make more money. And I call people out when I think they are basically scammers. There is a guy that asks a lot of questions whose entire beautiful website is stolen content. It's hard to be helpful to people like that.

    But we are all human with our own personalities, bad days, etc. I agree with a previous poster about a question I've asked myself several times: if we can't ask questions without being ridiculed, if we can't tout our successes without being called liars, if we can't suggest resources without being called a scammer, if we can't answer questions without being called a sig whore what exactly are we supposed to discuss on this discussion board.

    2. At least a couple of your threads have turned south quickly. You may want to ask yourself why. When a bunch of people think we are wrong, sometimes they are at fault but sometimes we are at fault too and if our behavior continues then the negativity will also.

    3. Part of the issue in the gun thread may have been that this seemed like one of those "desperate" posts. Things people post when their backs are against the wall and they have no way out and their only hope is to ask the forum.

    But some of us remember you posting a couple months ago about making $10,000 (I think) deals and making it sound easy. If the gun is held to your head then money is probably needed. If money is needed then why not just get the money from one of those big deals you made? Or did that not work out and you are on to infoproducts now?

    Maybe the question wasn't about you but with the information you gave, it is impossible to tell.

    Note that my first impression was to tell you to collect the money from one of your deals but I didn't. I wrote it and then deleted it. I don't want to kick someone when they are down, possibly, but I don't want to enable them to keep not taking responsibility for themselves. And asking unrealistic questions without any apparent research or effort isn't exactly taking responsibility.

    You've wasted a couple days, not gotten the answers you wanted, so what answers have you come up with on your own while you were waiting? What have you done to get your launch headed the right way? Or are you still waiting for the answers from someone else?

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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Well, this is one topic I disagree with most here about and side with the "noobs". Most of them are trying to not only find out about something, but just start being a forum member here, and they don't know what to write about, so they ask a question.

    To me it's rude to tell newbies here to "search the forum", and I've stated this opinion many times.

    I do think a remedy for this might be to have a section just for new members to ask their questions, and the rest of us who don't mind answering the same questions over and over again can answer them.

    This isn't a search engine. It's a discussion forum and marketplace, and to the newbies, they are trying to start a discussion and get some personal attention, plus a feel for the place. I don't think telling them to use search is helpful or friendly at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post


      This isn't a search engine. It's a discussion forum and marketplace, and to the newbies, they are trying to start a discussion and get some personal attention, plus a feel for the place. I don't think telling them to use search is helpful or friendly at all.
      I enjoy your posts Joan, and consider you someone who does try to add value and be helpful. But why not encourage people to learn to search for things?

      I have no issue with answering noob questions. But for the first time posters who don't even appear to make an effort it becomes tedious. First questions out of the gate that allude to "I need to make x dollars by next week" and it is like one sentence - do you really think those people have a chance at going anywhere if they don't learn to have the skill to research a bit first?

      Every business requires some thought and research.

      I honestly don't want someone to waste their time on some wishy washy idea because they read some elaborate sales thread in the MMO niche and think that they can solve all their problems in a week.

      I think you know - this just doesn't happen.

      Some call it snarky, I call it tough love. They need a quick wake up call, and the sooner the better.

      Would rather slap someone back to reality quickly then see them waste hundreds on WSO products only to get kicked out of their home cause I led them on to thinking this was all a field of flowers and we were just going to hand out the answers to every little thing.

      People need to EARN respect and WORK to become successful.

      While it appears easier for some than for others - this is not the point. Even the ones who seem to make it easy have to do some work and will have to do their own searching for personalized answers to things.

      Asking for help is one thing. Asking for everything to be handed out on a silver platter cause you just joined the forum and "expect" it is entirely another.
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    • Profile picture of the author quadagon
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      Well, this is one topic I disagree with most here about and side with the "noobs". Most of them are trying to not only find out about something, but just start being a forum member here, and they don't know what to write about, so they ask a question.

      To me it's rude to tell newbies here to "search the forum", and I've stated this opinion many times.

      I do think a remedy for this might be to have a section just for new members to ask their questions, and the rest of us who don't mind answering the same questions over and over again can answer them.

      This isn't a search engine. It's a discussion forum and marketplace, and to the newbies, they are trying to start a discussion and get some personal attention, plus a feel for the place. I don't think telling them to use search is helpful or friendly at all.
      I think you are being a bit niave and missing the reason why these questions are being asked.

      For a lot of the time it's to gather information to put together in some two bit $7 WSO and not a geninue question.

      That said this wasn't started by a newbie

      What if you've been a member for say 7 years and have asked the same question in various guises?

      Do we still have to tell them the same answer over and over again?

      I've spent years working on my business, spent thousands on educating myself, more implementing what I've learnt.

      I've been knocked on my arse more times than I can count, sacrificed family time, health,holidays, luxuries like food and heating all to get to the top of my game.

      Having gone through that I should give all that I know away to every tom dick and harry that comes looking for a bright red button, shiney object, riches whilst you sleep solution but can't be bothered to search.

      You say the replies are rude well I think it's rude to ask these styles of question. It would be more honest to just ask me for money.

      So does this mean I don't help people on here, no. I'm happy to give advice and support people who are honestly trying to develop their business.
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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    Lots has already been said. So the only other thing I'll add is that being snarky and witty -- and at least in my case acting like a conceited know-it-all -- is more interesting than just ignoring the question.

    For me the WF is just a bit of fun. I do try to be helpful when I can, but I'm not here to buy or sell anything, I don't do MMO marketing and probably never will. So since I don't get any financial remuneration from my participation here, I had better enjoy myself. And frankly, I find the fact that the same questions are asked over and over and over again booooooring. And I'm sure I'm not alone in this. My guess is even among the most successful MMO marketers here, the income derived from their activities on the WF is paltry compared to their other activities -- most of them probably participate mostly because they enjoy it rather than for any hope of a financial reward.

    So I guess we could have a forum wherein the only people to answer these sorts of repetitive questions were people who have a financial stake in their answers being seen. But while I think the WF would do just fine without me, I've already seen some -- though certainly not all -- of the more thoughtful people around here participate less and less, or completely drop out. And I wonder how many more of people like that can disappear before the WF ceases to become a helpful forum and becomes only a place for fake-it-till-you-make it marketers to spam their signatures.

    Or maybe that point has pretty much been reached anyway...
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    As most of the posters above already stated, there's been a massive influx of 'pointless posts' appearing ever since Freelancer bought the Warrior Forum.

    Many of the top marketers who shared tons of value, insight, and often gave their 'exact' time-tested, and proven methods away here for free... barely contribute anymore.

    A top of that, the old moderators would 'nuke' over 1/2 the threads that are tolerated since the new ownership took over. Truth is, there have been few changes for the better (IMHO).

    I try to add value, and give respectful answers to anyone who asks sincere questions, especially, when their threads begin with logical inqueries.

    As far as snarky and witty, there are people here who run successful online/offline businesses... If they begin to see a decreasing level of respect towards the time, money, and effort they've invested to evolve their skills... What do you expect?

    Based on the delinquency & tone of the threads appearing daily, what are the chances all these dumb ass threads can continue to go ignored?

    Eventually, we can only hope this forum can return to what it once stood for, a marketing forum... Not a redundant barriage of lazy, ungrateful, and punk like twits who venture in here thinking...

    "How can I make $7,922.13 every week?"

    Or, I don't have any money to invest, don't possess any skills, or desire to learn anything... I just want to make $7,922.13 every week, so fork it over - I need it yesterday!

    What if someone put a gun to your head?

    C'mon dude, what intelligent answer did you expect a person to deliver?

    How about you go study Gary Halbert's Letters... his legendary success began in a do or die mindset, so... If you asked properly, you would be answered properly.

    "What would you do if you spent all your money on crack cocaine, and you lost your wife, your car, and your job?"

    Obviously... STOP smoking crack, get a job, and get your head out of your arse!

    Now, look through the last 5 pages on the main forum, and you'll see a HUGE number of threads being started that are not only acenine... they are posted by those who either have little to no regret for running off 1/2 the brilliant minds who used to frequent this forum, and the moderators barely give a turd what gets through!

    Clearly, you can ask almost anything here, but, if you ask questions that hold little to no relevance to marketing strategies, methods, or that are not asked asked in earnest...

    Don't expect those who've put the time, money, and energy into this forum to show you much empathy or compassion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

    Well, this is one topic I disagree with most here about and side with the "noobs". Most of them are trying to not only find out about something, but just start being a forum member here, and they don't know what to write about, so they ask a question.

    To me it's rude to tell newbies here to "search the forum", and I've stated this opinion many times.

    I do think a remedy for this might be to have a section just for new members to ask their questions, and the rest of us who don't mind answering the same questions over and over again can answer them.

    This isn't a search engine. It's a discussion forum and marketplace, and to the newbies, they are trying to start a discussion and get some personal attention, plus a feel for the place. I don't think telling them to use search is helpful or friendly at all.
    Joan
    I respect what you have to say but the OP has been here for a long time and has asked question before in other threads, maybe not the same wording but the guise is there.

    I think if a new person was to come on the WF and say they have tried to do this or that but Its not working! they would be flooded with replies like in the old forum.

    I think because the new owners have dropped the ball by allowing the same type of threads to stay on the board has caused the grief, and when you see for the up tenth time How do I make $$$ or whats the quickest way to make $$$ you can forgiven for the Snarky answers of use the search tab,

    But to come on here and write that you will be harmed if you don't do this in 24hrs was plain stupid and careless by the OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Streby
    Though I agree with the lack in need for making other's feel small I have to say that suggesting the search feature is a great thing. You just don't have to make anyone feel like a moron while doing it.

    Also, some of these threads are really freaking amusing to read at times...

    Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

    I jus' hope snark & wits
    forever triumph over
    repetitz.
    Your posts in particular are always interesting to read and I dig'em.
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    • Originally Posted by Jason Streby View Post

      Also, some of these threads are really freaking amusing to read at times...
      Your posts in particular are always interesting to read and I dig'em.
      Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney View Post

      Hey ease up there princess snarky! Lol
      I guess my POV is a simple one.

      Right now, I'm not sellin' anythin' or offerin' my writin' services to people smart enough to throw themselves at my feet, so I'm here on a 'Cruise Around, Mebbe Go Fish' ticket.

      Part of that involves offerin' advice where I can (and the Mind Warriors have been on the receivin' end of some real gems, tellya), providin' snarkfodder for people to snort with gusto as they stumble blindly through life's unyelding nightmare toward eventual oblivion -- an' yeah, mebbe havin' a less than positive regard for various shades of leeches & other lifeforms incapable of performin' the basic legwork demanded of an inveterate invertebrate.

      Newbishness suggests a kinda innocence, an' a real desire to pursue truth an' knowledge, an' sharin' with those people is always a pleasure long as they don't try to lick your face.

      Where I draw the line is with the ignorant kinda noobs whose innocence runs to tryin' to replace their own bloodstreams with someone else's, and for these guys I reserve the right to rain down upon them my fullness of witzosnark, if only to keep everyone else entertained.

      In principle, a Noobs section appears to make sense. Let everyone of a noob persuasion hang out there in a swamp of wisdom-seeking purity. Problem is, likely they'd be ignored, and we'd wake up one day to find em' all strung up by their own question marks. If they're here, forumwide an' visible, at least the Papa Francescos of IM can apply the necessary assistance swiftly if they wanna.

      So: I am not being randomly unkind, unjust & bitchtastic here.

      I have principles, an' I am tryin' to apply 'em for the common good while maintainin' my lifegivin' smirkolish.
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        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        I have principles, an' I am tryin' to apply 'em for the common good while maintainin' my lifegivin' smirkolish.

        Princess B,

        You have a unique way with words that belies your ballerina Doppelganger. Keep postin' and roastin'!

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
    Hey Chris, can you help me get started making money.

    1. I have 30-60 minutes per day
    2. My budget is around $100
    3. I have zero experience.
    4. I want to focus on free traffic (maybe niche sites)

    Thanks advance for your help.

    Chuck

    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Most specifically on this forum, It's like people think they're more intelligent than the rest of us just because a person asks a question that's been asked before. Obviously they're asking for a reason, that's the point of this forum, right?

    "But They Can Just Do a Quick Search"

    Well then, that defeats the purpose of this forum, they might as well just go on Google and do a search then. Are you here to serve or to make people feel stupid who are trying to make a living?

    If you want top notch topics then you should stop being a cheapskate and fork over some cash to join an advanced level mastermind.

    If you see a question coming up over and over again - be intelligent and serve that problem, obviously that's more profitable than saying:

    "This question again? haha Noob."

    That's going to do more for you, for them, and for Warrior in general, as opposed to just being a snarky jerk.
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  • Profile picture of the author webmarketer
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Most specifically on this forum, It's like people think they're more intelligent than the rest of us just because a person asks a question that's been asked before. Obviously they're asking for a reason, that's the point of this forum, right?

    "But They Can Just Do a Quick Search"

    Well then, that defeats the purpose of this forum, they might as well just go on Google and do a search then. Are you here to serve or to make people feel stupid who are trying to make a living?
    Everyone here tries to make a living. It's funny the way you ask--"Are you here to serve..?" I mean, dude, no one here owes you jack. Ask the right questions and you'll get the right answers.

    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    If you want top notch topics then you should stop being a cheapskate and fork over some cash to join an advanced level mastermind.
    Uhm, yeah. That works both ways, doesn't it? You can join a paid group and make demands since you are a paying customer. Now, there's a reason to feel entitled.

    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post


    If you see a question coming up over and over again - be intelligent and serve that problem, obviously that's more profitable than saying:

    "This question again? haha Noob."

    That's going to do more for you, for them, and for Warrior in general, as opposed to just being a snarky jerk.
    Mods, you listening? Perhaps a cheat sheet for most common questions asked or a section for repetitive questions for them to go to instead of the use of the search bar. [Scratch head here.]
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by webmarketer View Post

      Mods, you listening?
      I turned up the volume on my computer speakers but still didn't hear anything.

      Lovingly yours,

      Princess Snarky
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      • Profile picture of the author webmarketer
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        I turned up the volume on my computer speakers but still didn't hear anything.

        Lovingly yours,

        Princess Snarky

        Hope springs...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by webmarketer View Post

      Everyone here tries to make a living. It's funny the way you ask--"Are you here to serve..?" I mean, dude, no one here owes you jack. Ask the right questions and you'll get the right answers.



      Uhm, yeah. That works both ways, doesn't it? You can join a paid group and make demands since you are a paying customer. Now, there's a reason to feel entitled.



      Mods, you listening? Perhaps a cheat sheet for most common questions asked or a section for repetitive questions for them to go to instead of the use of the search bar. [Scratch head here.]
      Haha. Mods listening? You're funny
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  • Profile picture of the author sansui
    When people are posting the same question that has already
    been answered,it could be their first postings,so they did not
    realize to do a search.

    It would be nice to tell them in a good,gentle way that the
    question has already been answered,and they should do
    a search for the answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Chris, I've never felt more compelled to reply to a topic here in some time.

    Bravo. I'm glad to see someone understands,

    It's forums like this that are built upon the very backbone of repetition. Chances are, if there weren't repetition, many people wouldn't have found this place to begin with.

    It's the ongoing negative attitude of some that's more detrimental to a forum than any amount of innocent repetition.

    All the best
    Daniel



    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Most specifically on this forum, It's like people think they're more intelligent than the rest of us just because a person asks a question that's been asked before. Obviously they're asking for a reason, that's the point of this forum, right?

    "But They Can Just Do a Quick Search"

    Well then, that defeats the purpose of this forum, they might as well just go on Google and do a search then. Are you here to serve or to make people feel stupid who are trying to make a living?

    If you want top notch topics then you should stop being a cheapskate and fork over some cash to join an advanced level mastermind.

    If you see a question coming up over and over again - be intelligent and serve that problem, obviously that's more profitable than saying:

    "This question again? haha Noob."

    That's going to do more for you, for them, and for Warrior in general, as opposed to just being a snarky jerk.
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    • Profile picture of the author @tjr
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      It's the ongoing negative attitude of some that's more detrimental to a forum than any amount of innocent repetition.

      All the best
      Daniel
      Sure, but only if the latter (which often isn't as innocent as anyone could hope) isn't the cause of the former.

      I lol'd at handling people gently. That's totally how the business world works.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

        Sure, but only if the latter (which often isn't as innocent as anyone could hope) isn't the cause of the former.

        I lol'd at handling people gently. That's totally how the business world works.
        If a person conducts themselves in a manner other than 'gentle' in any walk of life, then that's their prerogative, though there are certainly gentlemen in business. It be them who provide the cooling contrast.

        All the best!
        Daniel
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        • Profile picture of the author @tjr
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          If a person conducts themselves in a manner other than 'gentle' in any walk of life, then that's their prerogative, though there are certainly gentlemen in business. It be them who provide the cooling contrast.

          All the best!
          Daniel
          The ones who are gentle when a situation calls for some tough love rarely stay in business long. Unless, of course, their business is coddling the ignorant and taking their money while doing so.

          Not the type of person I would want to put on a pedestal personally, but everyone has their prerogative.

          I'll take the asshole with a heart of gold. They're easy enough to spot and at the end of the day I know what they're about.
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

            The ones who are gentle when a situation calls for some tough love rarely stay in business long. Unless, of course, thei business is coddling the ignorant and taking their money while doing so.

            Not the type of person I would want to put on a pedestal personally, but everyone has their prerogative.

            I'll take the asshole with a heart of gold. They're easy enough to spot and at the end of the day I know what they're about.
            Perhaps those who take it upon themselves to reply in a manner other than friendly on a constant basis, see the forum as their business and assume it will fail. I'd hope they have a considerable stake in the business to justify the slant in participation and the readiness of a soldier to snipe, which, ironically really does little to help.

            I treat my business as my business. The WF is but a very small tool, which I enjoy using. I wouldn't take it upon myself to adopt a defence to everyone who asks how to make X amount or similar. If I did, it would be a clear indicator to revise myself and my business, since clearly I wouldn't be spending enough time on refining either.

            If mods and management aren't listening, then that's no good, granted. However the same folk were doing the same long before the new management and still to this day are at war with themselves in the same role which appears to have no end. This was my prime mover for chipping in here with a post after a long time of dormancy. It's a bit dissapointmenting to see.

            'Life is short' says the other cliche' Spend it better.

            On that note, my hypocritical self is back to grinder...


            All the best!
            Daniel
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          • Profile picture of the author art72
            Originally Posted by @tjr View Post


            I'll take the asshole with a heart of gold. They're easy enough to spot and at the end of the day I know what they're about.
            Right on, I am often a sarcastic asshole, but it usually derives from the frustration of dealing with people with no common sense.

            While I understand what Daniel's saying about repitition, I also believe people by nature, are indeed creatures of habit.

            I buy my gas at the same place. When I eat out I generally frequent restaurants that have good food, and a pleasant atmosphere. I've smoked the same cigarettes for many years, and I've always found the WF an amazing place to share and receive marketing advice, etc...

            So, in that light, and understanding Daniel's take on 'innocent postings' - I find it difficult to accept 95% of the questions being asked here lately are relative or better still, significant to helping anyone... Especially, the OP's who repeatedly ask without any regard to maintain some quality control or common sense.

            Without any mods enforcing the rules round here...it's becoming a 3-ring circus of sort, whereby the 'willfully ignorant' (those who know better... But, don't give a damn) are chiseling away any integrity that remains.

            If Chris (OP) wants to force himself to get projects done in 24 hours, with a do or die, gun to head mentality thats great... It works for a few who have gone 'allin' like WillR's story here back in the day!

            But, to just beat the threads masking truths with nonsense, that is not innocent posting...it's abusive, intrusive, and if the garbage threads keep piling up without moderation or some snarky & witty feedback... Chances are the once Almighty Warrior Forum will be reduced to landfill where anyone can dump their trash.

            I might be 'projecting' a worse case scenario, but it definitely is starting to reduce the number of quality Q&A's that used to resonate & encourage people to research first, take action second, and then ask questions.

            I think many newcomers want to 'skip' the reasearch stage, refuse to apply common sense, and the either bitch about having been scammed, broke, or pissed they cannot get results. Then, they post garbage...

            Personally, I'll admit; I'm not pulling huge numbers, and I have spent 100's, if not thousands of hours on this forum conducting research, learning marketing strategies, tools, and resources... I am invested financially in my online future, and to date, I can't fix my mind on 'what all these threads lately are doing for anyone?' - and it's aggravating, insulting, and demeaning to anyone who does contribute, and try to help others, respectfully!

            The only answer I am able to conclude is; "the willfully ignorant are over-running what human intelligence once stood for!" (and it's not just on this forum!)

            Maybe, it's time we stop sharing information openly, and charge people instead eh?

            Maybe with a few beans out of pocket, we could reduce the redundancy of ill regarded postings. If everyone 'expects' to demand the keys to success from those who obtained them through hard work , research, financial investments, and a whole host of trial & error...

            Then maybe, just maybe we are the ones with guns to our heads, being held hostage by the willfully ignorant who want to steal the keys to 'unlock' their success without any effort.

            Clearly, even the snarky & witty often conclude (repeatedly) that there is WORK involved...

            And whilst I've yet make my 1st million online... I'd be willing to wager, doing so will require conducting; PROPER & EXTENSIVE RESEARCH!!!

            Hence... the 'repetitive' conclusion resounds; "Use the freaking search feature!!!"
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            • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
              Because of the thread subject, I ain't gonna lose too much sleep for not making sure I read every previous post before responding. I, too, kinda roll my eyes at teh constant 'Use the Search button you lazy fool' type responses, especially to n00bs. For a couple reasons.

              It's a damn forum - not some type of archive only site. I think it is okay for the same question to be asked by multiple people over multiple years in new threads. Further, look at the subject matter. Imagine what kind of advice the search feature will turn up for EZA from pre-Google Slap. All kinds of things like that. Use the search button only, and next thing you know, a n00b in 2015 is out there scouring the net to get a hold of Google Sniper, or trying to buy backlinks, or build link wheels, etc.

              There are PLENTY of issues where the question returns a different answer today than it would've 2+ years ago. Would you want to follow pre panda/penguin advice, which the search feature will deliver? I wouldn't. And that is just one example. HORRIBLE advice for 2015 will be delivered for MULTIPLE issues by using the search button, instead of asking the same questions, again. As far as all the stupid, "How can I make $10,000 by the end of the month with $3?" type threads, well, those are mostly the fault of experienced IMers from jsut a short while ago who made a good chunk 'o change on this site, and others, not the necessarily the fault of n00bs all the time.

              It is a dbl edged sword for newbies with that search button, IMO. And, at least half the time, I am rolling my eyes at the 'experts' lambasting someone for not using the search button. Just answer the damn question - ya took the time to demean them for not using the search button, why not use that 'post reply' to just provide an answer?

              Using the search button here can get a n00b all turned around bass akwards, for you can get conflicting (and sometimes outdated and COSTLY) advice using that button, and a n00b lacks the insight to determine all of that. Relevant advice, today, is more benefical, IMO, than a lot of the search returns for the same question.

              Let's not forget the hammering one can take for dredging up a 2 year old thread, too.

              I get both sides, though, and understnad where the 'use the search button' folks are coming from, too, just think maybe that canned 'use search button' answer comes out a little too much, and if even 49/51, I am siding with OP for the 'get off n00bs ass for asking the 'same' question', and just answer the damn question, lol.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Semi problem - Some of the people here do kind of get tired and jaded of all the repeated questions over and over again. So they get a little frustrated and become cynical in their replies. Iam guilty of this myself, sometimes

              Bigger problem - Newbies asking the same questions over and over again . They want it all handed to them and are quite impatient. They have the NOW, NOW mentality !!

              Biggest Problem - Many Members here ( some who are long time ones and some I see have made their presence on this Thread right here and now lol) seem to really gloat in being snarky and belittling towards others. About 99% of their entire Posts here are solely dedicated to putting other people down and spreading their negativity as best as they can. To them it is not about offering tough love. They want to make you think it is but in reality its all Bullsh@t and just a facade. Do you really think they give one rats arse about trying to bring the best out of the beginning entrepreneur here? Give me a break. Hell NO they don't care

              Its all about their Egos and making them feel better about their own lowly despicable selves and their insecurities.

              Truly mental cases, imo !! And why the heck they make their presence here wasting their own time and everyone elses is beyond my comprehension
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      Chris, I've never felt more compelled to reply to a topic here in some time.

      Bravo. I'm glad to see someone understands,

      It's forums like this that are built upon the very backbone of repetition. Chances are, if there weren't repetition, many people wouldn't have found this place to begin with.

      It's the ongoing negative attitude of some that's more detrimental to a forum than any amount of innocent repetition.

      All the best
      Daniel
      Repetition is mastery. Every time the same question is answered in a new way it broadens the persepcdtive. There are things I have heard for years and never "got it" until someone just happened to say it with the right twist of words that turned my lightbulb on.

      If my first telemarketing boss had been snarky I would have never succeeded, but he was very caring, patient, and no question was too stupid.

      I agree that rather than being snarky, a person could add alot of value by not being to lazy to just give a good answer or at very least link someone to a page that has one. The snarky stuff undermines the quality of a newbies experience here... I think it makes the forum look bad and a drag to read. My thought is that if you dont like the post or question just ignore it.... but to come in an be mean or say something snarky makes it not very welcoming.

      I also agree with another poster that the only other resport is to have people pulling up 90 year old threads all day.

      On another note; I think sometimes people just ask questions because they are anxious to jump in and participate and be acknowledged.... but they are met with negative acknowledgement. They probably think the point of it is to come in and ask questions...

      I think that's what the forum is built upon and alot of people easily forget what it was like when they were newbies.

      It's just very unbecoming to come across to a new member like "Are you too stupid to use the search function?" Not very welcoming.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Complaints relating to people asking 'how can I make...' are dispersed all over the forum.

        It's a wonder then why people don't use the search function before contributing more of the same complaints in fresh threads.

        Their revolt against repetition is clearly selective.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          Complaints relating to people asking 'how can I make...' are dispersed all over the forum.

          It's a wonder then why people don't use the search function before contributing more of the same complaints in fresh threads.

          Their revolt against repetition is clearly selective.
          OK, you changed my mind, but before we sing Kum Ba Yah, can you point out all the posts where you gave great advice in the "how can I make"... threads?


          I want to use all your helpful posts on the topic as examples for me to follow, as well as being able to learn from you how to make $1000 a week, starting from nothing. I did a quick search and couldn't find them.


          Links will be fine. Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            OK, you changed my mind, but before we sing Kum Ba Yah, can you point out all the posts where you gave great advice in the "how can I make"... threads?


            I want to use all your helpful posts on the topic as examples for me to follow, as well as being able to learn from you how to make $1000 a week, starting from nothing. I did a quick search and couldn't find them.


            Links will be fine. Thanks.

            I didn't see any corellation between what you quoted and the question you posed Kurt and your tone just reenforces the OPs point (poor show from someone who has a mod role in the forum), which as a recap, relates not to people's contribution count, but people going out of their way to contribute rude or unhelpful comments instead of simply ignoring what they can potentially ignore.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              The trouble I have with this thread is the OP doesn't have a point. He has repeatedly been blatantly rude and insulting to those who disagree wtth him on this forum or who question his pronouncements.


              There are those here who could say "tone it down" and I'd listen - he isn't one of them because of the tone of his own posts in previous threads.
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              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                Valid points can still be raised from someone who is a hypocrite.

                They have first hand experience in the claim.
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            • Profile picture of the author superowid
              Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

              Well, this is one topic I disagree with most here about and side with the "noobs". Most of them are trying to not only find out about something, but just start being a forum member here, and they don't know what to write about, so they ask a question.

              To me it's rude to tell newbies here to "search the forum", and I've stated this opinion many times.

              I do think a remedy for this might be to have a section just for new members to ask their questions, and the rest of us who don't mind answering the same questions over and over again can answer them.

              This isn't a search engine. It's a discussion forum and marketplace, and to the newbies, they are trying to start a discussion and get some personal attention, plus a feel for the place. I don't think telling them to use search is helpful or friendly at all.
              Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

              Chris, I've never felt more compelled to reply to a topic here in some time.

              Bravo. I'm glad to see someone understands,

              It's forums like this that are built upon the very backbone of repetition. Chances are, if there weren't repetition, many people wouldn't have found this place to begin with.

              It's the ongoing negative attitude of some that's more detrimental to a forum than any amount of innocent repetition.

              All the best
              Daniel
              Originally Posted by AmberJB View Post

              Newbies come here all the time, they might pose a question that's been asked before. If they are truly interested in the answer, why not ask them to search, plus give a quick shot at answering? Plus, things online do change (like SEO), perhaps a new updated answer is needed.

              Or, if you just can't stomach this question again, why must you post at all? Let someone who feels like answering do it. What's wrong with being helpful, considerate and kind? I would suspect folks who think you are helpful, considerate and kind would be likely to help you if you were struggling with a problem and asked about it on WF.

              I guess snark just makes some people feel superior?
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              Semi problem - Some of the people here do kind of get tired and jaded of all the repeated questions over and over again. So they get a little frustrated and become cynical in their replies. Iam guilty of this myself, sometimes

              Bigger problem - Newbies asking the same questions over and over again . They want it all handed to them and are quite impatient. They have the NOW, NOW mentality !!

              Biggest Problem - Many Members here ( some who are long time ones and some I see have made their presence on this Thread right here and now lol) seem to really gloat in being snarky and belittling towards others. About 99% of their entire Posts here are solely dedicated to putting other people down and spreading their negativity as best as they can. To them it is not about offering tough love. They want to make you think it is but in reality its all Bullsh@t and just a facade. Do you really think they give one rats arse about trying to bring the best out of the beginning entrepreneur here? Give me a break. Hell NO they don't care

              Its all about their Egos and making them feel better about their own lowly despicable selves and their insecurities.

              Truly mental cases, imo !! And why the heck they make their presence here wasting their own time and everyone elses is beyond my comprehension
              Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

              If you are the opposite and give a caring answer to all the noob questions, then you will quietly be creating a groundswell and the next generation of people here are going to look up to you alot more. Let them be snarky... In the grand scheme they are just making themselves into a person that the guys coming up will not respect, or go to.

              Some people are mainstays, but the crowd here is mostly transient.... Gene Simmons of "KISS" said that you lose one fan at a time, till eventually, you suddenly realize that tens of thousands are gone. If some are that way, then let them lose the future generation , and have foresight for yourself.
              Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

              Repetition is mastery. Every time the same question is answered in a new way it broadens the persepcdtive. There are things I have heard for years and never "got it" until someone just happened to say it with the right twist of words that turned my lightbulb on.

              If my first telemarketing boss had been snarky I would have never succeeded, but he was very caring, patient, and no question was too stupid.

              I agree that rather than being snarky, a person could add alot of value by not being to lazy to just give a good answer or at very least link someone to a page that has one. The snarky stuff undermines the quality of a newbies experience here... I think it makes the forum look bad and a drag to read. My thought is that if you dont like the post or question just ignore it.... but to come in an be mean or say something snarky makes it not very welcoming.

              I also agree with another poster that the only other resport is to have people pulling up 90 year old threads all day.

              On another note; I think sometimes people just ask questions because they are anxious to jump in and participate and be acknowledged.... but they are met with negative acknowledgement. They probably think the point of it is to come in and ask questions...

              I think that's what the forum is built upon and alot of people easily forget what it was like when they were newbies.

              It's just very unbecoming to come across to a new member like "Are you too stupid to use the search function?" Not very welcoming.
              Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

              I didn't see any corellation between what you quoted and the question you posed Kurt and your tone just reenforces the OPs point (poor show from someone who has a mod role in the forum), which as a recap, relates not to people's contribution count, but people going out of their way to contribute rude or unhelpful comments instead of simply ignoring what they can potentially ignore.
              Wow. I love this forum. So many nice people are still staying here for good. I really respect those people, especially who understand that this forum is for the world (English & Non English native).
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            • Profile picture of the author @tjr
              Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

              I didn't see any corellation between what you quoted and the question you posed Kurt and your tone just reenforces the OPs point (poor show from someone who has a mod role in the forum), which as a recap, relates not to people's contribution count, but people going out of their way to contribute rude or unhelpful comments instead of simply ignoring what they can potentially ignore.
              Don't misdirect. Can you post the links that Kurt asked for, or can you not?
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              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

                Don't misdirect. Can you post the links that Kurt asked for, or can you not?
                I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

                My own position is, I usually ignore those posts in contrast to feeling the need to contribute rude comments.

                All the best
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                • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                  I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

                  My own position is, I usually ignore those posts in contrast to feeling the need to contribute rude comments.

                  All the best
                  Daniel
                  Members are moderators.
                  You choose to ignore rather than do something. I could be wrong, but it kinda sounds like if you did have to post something in those threads (like someone was holding a gun to your head - and I only use that analogy as it seems to be popular) what you would post might come across as rude or snarky?

                  Sounds like you basically leave the thread dangling there to gunk up the forum. You choose to not challenge or answer these new people. Just ignore the pile of trash building up in the corner. Let Jill go in there and deal with addressing the crap so the forum magically improves again as far as threads that are a standard to which you want to see.

                  You have no dog in this fight.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                    Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                    Members are moderators.
                    You choose to ignore rather than do something. I could be wrong, but it kinda sounds like if you did have to post something in those threads (like someone was holding a gun to your head - and I only use that analogy as it seems to be popular) what you would post might come across as rude or snarky?
                    You're wrong Jill.

                    If I contributed, I'd try to be politely helpful.

                    Moderation doesn't demand rudeness.


                    Sounds like you basically leave the thread dangling there to gunk up the forum. You choose to not challenge or answer these new people. Just ignore the pile of trash building up in the corner. Let Jill go in there and deal with addressing the crap so the forum magically improves again as far as threads that are a standard to which you want to see.
                    In the eyes of some, things become trash only when they are trashed.

                    You have no dog in this fight.
                    You're right Jill.

                    I don't involve myself in fights


                    All the best
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


        It's just very unbecoming to come across to a new member like "Are you too stupid to use the search function?" Not very welcoming.
        Just to be fair I think there are numerous very legit Warriors who do this some times. Just out of frustration
        ( I have done it myself just not saying stupid lol) but then they continually add and add and add to the Community with really quality posts and valuable insight.

        Iam more or less disturbed by the ones who do this and this is ALL they do here.

        One Warrior comes to mind who has been here for years and is notorious for this. With over 6K posts, he adds so little to this Forum I do not understand why he keeps coming back.

        Like I said it is beyond my comprehension

        I think it is one of two things:
        He is so miserable with his own self it helps his ego to spread negativity

        OR

        He hides behind a facade and sneaks in his Homepage to get traffic while putting down everyone else
        yelling " Sig whore"

        These peeps need to be gone
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Mods, you listening? Perhaps a cheat sheet for most common questions asked or a section for repetitive questions for them to go to instead of the use of the search bar.
    "Use the search button" or "refer to the FAQs" is equally offensive to those wanting things handed to them on a silver platter.

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  • Profile picture of the author AmberJB
    Newbies come here all the time, they might pose a question that's been asked before. If they are truly interested in the answer, why not ask them to search, plus give a quick shot at answering? Plus, things online do change (like SEO), perhaps a new updated answer is needed.

    Or, if you just can't stomach this question again, why must you post at all? Let someone who feels like answering do it. What's wrong with being helpful, considerate and kind? I would suspect folks who think you are helpful, considerate and kind would be likely to help you if you were struggling with a problem and asked about it on WF.

    I guess snark just makes some people feel superior?
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by AmberJB View Post

      Newbies come here all the time, they might pose a question that's been asked before. If they are truly interested in the answer, why not ask them to search, plus give a quick shot at answering? Plus, things online do change (like SEO), perhaps a new updated answer is needed.

      Or, if you just can't stomach this question again, why must you post at all? Let someone who feels like answering do it. What's wrong with being helpful, considerate and kind? I would suspect folks who think you are helpful, considerate and kind would be likely to help you if you were struggling with a problem and asked about it on WF.

      I guess snark just makes some people feel superior?
      Hi Amber

      One of the issues of late are Idiots who dig up old threads just to spam their signature or link , but where this is an issue is that some are 6 yrs old and you are right things do change.

      So you do the right thing and post this is an old thread don't post and some warrior been here for a few years Ignores this! so now you have newbies posting! when in fact had the Mods got on to it right away there would never been an issue.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I guess snark just makes some people feel superior?

        You missed part of the thread - the person who started this thread has posted snarky remarks in previous threads. Any time someone disagrees with him or questions his claims...he gets quite rude with them and personal insults start flying...from him.


        All over this forum we have people telling others "yes, you can earn $100k in the next 60 days - nothing is impossibel" - or "it can be done" - and those people posting "answers" haven't made a damned dime themselves. They say they are being "positive"- but I'm positive leading people on is harmful to them.


        Then someone who actually makes a living online posts "you need to start at the beginning and stop dreaming" and a few people say "oh, that's rude".


        What can be "rude" might be telling people the impossible is possible if they only "believe". I don't do Peter Pan here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Clearly, even the snarky & witty often conclude (repeatedly) that there is WORK involved...

      And whilst I've yet make my 1st million online... I'd be willing to wager, doing so will require conducting; PROPER & EXTENSIVE RESEARCH!!!

      Hence... the 'repetitive' conclusion resounds; "Use the freaking search feature!!!"
      I only thanked you cause you typed a lot of words in that post.

      Originally Posted by AmberJB View Post

      Newbies come here all the time, they might pose a question that's been asked before. If they are truly interested in the answer, why not ask them to search, plus give a quick shot at answering? Plus, things online do change (like SEO), perhaps a new updated answer is needed.

      Or, if you just can't stomach this question again, why must you post at all? Let someone who feels like answering do it. What's wrong with being helpful, considerate and kind? I would suspect folks who think you are helpful, considerate and kind would be likely to help you if you were struggling with a problem and asked about it on WF.

      I guess snark just makes some people feel superior?
      You know Amber, you are right. I don't have to post at all. But my snarkyness as of late is in no need to fill an ego request for superiority.

      The issue is this main discussion forum is/was becoming a solid wall of the same question over and over - and it gets to the point where no one will post anything anymore if the only thing you see in every other post (or what was feeling like every other post) is the same thing.

      It's hard to give a "quick shot at answering" when it's a one to two sentence inquiry that tells me absolutely nothing about the person and doesn't give me the impression they are here to really learn to build a business. It truly feels like pulling teeth to get enough information to give an answer that I can be confident to give.

      I spent over 20 years working in restaurants as a server/bartender. When meeting/seeing a customer for the first time I could tell within the first 15 seconds how things were going to go as far as figuring out who I was dealing with, how I was going to have to help/approach them, and those people who had no clue what they wanted I could narrow it down for them and tell them what they wanted within a minute. And perhaps part of this was actually seeing who I was dealing with and being able to read their face and expressions.

      When we are on the internet in a forum like this, we don't actually see people. We have to rely on getting a gist of who they are from their writing styles, the vocabulary they use (this gets extra tricky with foreign people who English is not their first language but bless them for trying) and I find I need that full 15 seconds of when I could see someone converted into perhaps a good 3-5 minutes of reading from something they have written.

      So the first post comes in, and it is all of 2 sentences. And this is of no help to me. Let me give you some examples:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...how-start.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...nd-advice.html

      I'll admit, after digging those up, it is looking like a lot of the new user posts we've been getting may have been cleaned up as I did have to go back a few pages.

      And this could be where you are coming from. I don't know your personal frequency of visiting this forum but having logged in her nearly every day for the past few weeks the amount of non thoughtful inquiries on "how do I make money" was coming to an explosive rate of full volcanic activity.

      These were new posters which I could not go back and dig through their history to learn more about and I could not get the impression that they were aspiring entrepreneurs. It was feeling like Halloween every day with the kids showing up at the door asking for candy - but we are not kids here and Halloween is over!

      People are supposed to be 18 to join this forum. At 18 you'd think there would be a tid bit of common sense right?

      I have no issue with answering something that has been asked before if it is a well posed question. Give me something I can chew on a bit and customize an answer based on as many pertinent details as you can give me.

      Don't expect a sugar coated answer cause I ain't their mama, and if I sense someones time would be spent better elsewhere I'm going to let them know.

      And if people here came to me and said, "Princess Snarky, you really have no business doing any of this internet or IM stuff and you could do better elsewhere" then I'd probably thank them for giving me the kick because life is too short to be wasting it on things that are not going to enhance or enrich my experience in this world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Graham Maddison
    Over the years, I have experienced a few of what I deemed to be unnecessary curt comments myself.

    Now depending on the type of character you are, you can either just shrug these comments off and carry on regardless, or you can choose to learn from them. The sad fact is though, not everyone has the strength of character to do either of these and they take it as a personal attack and either fight back or leave the forum all together.

    Who knows what potential talent has been lost by the WF because someone has chosen to do the latter and leave.

    I have written an ebook which, if it was to be made required reading by all new members (newbies) before posting anything in the forums, would I am sure help all members have a better forum experience.

    I am not one to give myself praise, this has been stated by another warrior who took the time to read it> it's available free in the war room and for sale on my website.

    With hindsight, having read through this thread, I think I made a mistake putting it the war room.. it seems the main forum would be the best place for newbies to grab it, but I am not sure the mods would allow it.

    In my view, curt replies telling someone to use the search function, whilst may be meant with good intention and understandable, are not really very helpful - the reply needs to be expanded on - how to use the search function for example.
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  • Profile picture of the author @tjr
    But....we are (or at least strive to be) entrepreneurs right? A hallmark of such a person is being self-driven. The tone of nearly all of these threads reek of begging to be spoonfed.

    An entrepreneur, once aware of the search function, will use it. They find an answer? Great! Verification is step two. If, you're a real entrepreneur that is, and not a wannabe. So outdated information is actually low risk.

    An entrepreneur completes the two steps and still has holes to fill. NOW is the time to start a thread and ask a question. NOW the question can be detailed, a more actionable solution can be given, experts (real or imagined) can feel like they're helping instead of easing the learning curve for someone who doesn't "deserve" it.

    I don't get why this isn't more cut and dry. No one, period, is responsible or obligated to make someone else's dream come true. Put in some legwork, put yourself on the level (real or perceived) of the people you're asking. It's amazing what could happen from there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

      But....we are (or at least strive to be) entrepreneurs right? A hallmark of such a person is being self-driven. The tone of nearly all of these threads reek of begging to be spoonfed.

      An entrepreneur, once aware of the search function, will use it. They find an answer? Great! Verification is step two. If, you're a real entrepreneur that is, and not a wannabe. So outdated information is actually low risk.

      An entrepreneur completes the two steps and still has holes to fill. NOW is the time to start a thread and ask a question. NOW the question can be detailed, a more actionable solution can be given, experts (real or imagined) can feel like they're helping instead of easing the learning curve for someone who doesn't "deserve" it.

      I don't get why this isn't more cut and dry. No one, period, is responsible or obligated to make someone else's dream come true. Put in some legwork, put yourself on the level (real or perceived) of the people you're asking. It's amazing what could happen from there.
      Many years ago I sold a product that worked with a two-tiered affiliate program. This affiliate program reported all the earnings of the people I got to sign up for the program under me.


      Since I also had a product directly related to this affiliate program, I'd get questions for support.


      To a "tee", I could tell from the questions which people made money and which didn't. The people that didn't make money would ask questions they could quickly find the answers to themselves in the search engines.


      Those that did make money, didn't ask a lot of questions, but when they did, they were questions about things they couldn't find answers to and were questions about things like my personal experiences.


      To this day, I believe this is a "poker tell" for those who are (or will be) successful and those that won't. Successful people don't wait for someone to answer a question unless they absolutely have to. They will take matters into their own hands and either research the answer right now or figure it out on their own.


      Unsuccessful people either can't or won't take matters into their own hands whenever possible and depend on others for a solution.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
      Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

      But....we are (or at least strive to be) entrepreneurs right? A hallmark of such a person is being self-driven. The tone of nearly all of these threads reek of begging to be spoonfed.
      And ya know what? MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of dollars have been raked in by people promising to spoon feed a simple solution to a newb for $49.95 for 15+ years, now. Err, excuse me, it all has to end in a 7, lol, so for $47 dollars the answers will be spoonfed.

      Crap is all over the Net, isn't it? This notion of being spoonfed a simple solution if ya fork over a few bucks, and MANY copywriters are quite proud of their ability to hit people's emotional buttons like this, aren't they? I agree with your assessment of the tone of many of these threads, but whose fault is that? You seem to want to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the naive newb. I don't. I place plenty of blame upon these 'self-motivated entrepreneurs'.

      You guys don't seem to want to ACKNOWLEDGE that that attitude has been harbored and PROFITED from for many years now - the give me a few bucks, and I'll spoon feed you a simple way to make yerself a millionaire.

      You guys just turn a blind eye to that and pontificate. And no, I am not accusing anyone personally in this thread of that, merely stating the fact that IMers, these 'entrepreneurs', are the SINGLE BIGGEST SOURCE of this 'spoonfed' mentality in newbs concerning making money on the Net. All of the landing pages promise it, as has a whole, whole bunch 'o WSOs and ads I have seen on WF since I registered here.

      So, send them off searching the basement of WF threads to look for all of those promises, plus all of the many, many posts penned by people who never really made any money and don't really know what the hell they are talking about?

      Is this some type of net entrepreneur initiation ritual or weed-out process?

      And your acknowledgement of how much HORRIBLE AND OUTDATED advice the search button will return? Where is that? A new entrepreneur is still a n00b, and could always use some guidance.

      Sheesh. It seems you guys want to send newbs on the continual snipe hunt. You should at least add the disclaimer, "Once you use that search button, remember that the vast, vast majority of posts you come across here are made by people who never made any damn money at any of this."

      And lets be frank, there really are NOT that many entrepreneurs asking questions here, like it seems you might be making it out to be. Nor are 99% of these question askers going anywhere with this stuff, search button or not. Mainly it is people with unrealistic dreams, is all. People who's lives suck and they are desperate. That stirs compassion in me, but condemnation in you, it seems.

      I'm sticking with the 'it's better to be a little kharmically cool to someone asking a question, and just answer it than a curt, rude, [insert level of profanity you are comfortable with here, lol]'. But, that is just me and to each their own.

      I did mention I see BOTH sides, yours too, tjr, but some of you only want to see this as a black or white, a your side only thing, and condemn, condemn, condemn.

      And now, I gots me some of that entrepreneurial stuff to do, so I'm done in this rather meaningless thread. A thread that exemplifies what a forum is - a whole bunch 'o people chatting about different things, just for the sake of chatting.
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      • Profile picture of the author webmarketer
        This forum is non-paid. No $49.95 nor $47 solutions are offered that benefit the responder's coffer. Fact is, there's a separate forum for what you say. Not here.

        It's about time there is a FAQ sorts of section.


        Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

        And ya know what? MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of dollars have been raked in by people promising to spoon feed a simple solution to a newb for $49.95 for 15+ years, now. Err, excuse me, it all has to end in a 7, lol, so for $47 dollars the answers will be spoonfed.

        Crap is all over the Net, isn't it? This notion of being spoonfed a simple solution if ya fork over a few bucks, and MANY copywriters are quite proud of their ability to hit people's emotional buttons like this, aren't they? I agree with your assessment of the tone of many of these threads, but whose fault is that? You seem to want to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the naive newb. I don't. I place plenty of blame upon these 'self-motivated entrepreneurs'.

        You guys don't seem to want to ACKNOWLEDGE that that attitude has been harbored and PROFITED from for many years now - the give me a few bucks, and I'll spoon feed you a simple way to make yerself a millionaire.

        You guys just turn a blind eye to that and pontificate. And no, I am not accusing anyone personally in this thread of that, merely stating the fact that IMers, these 'entrepreneurs', are the SINGLE BIGGEST SOURCE of this 'spoonfed' mentality in newbs concerning making money on the Net. All of the landing pages promise it, as has a whole, whole bunch 'o WSOs and ads I have seen on WF since I registered here.

        So, send them off searching the basement of WF threads to look for all of those promises, plus all of the many, many posts penned by people who never really made any money and don't really know what the hell they are talking about?

        Is this some type of net entrepreneur initiation ritual or weed-out process?

        And your acknowledgement of how much HORRIBLE AND OUTDATED advice the search button will return? Where is that? A new entrepreneur is still a n00b, and could always use some guidance.

        Sheesh. It seems you guys want to send newbs on the continual snipe hunt. You should at least add the disclaimer, "Once you use that search button, remember that the vast, vast majority of posts you come across here are made by people who never made any damn money at any of this."

        And lets be frank, there really are NOT that many entrepreneurs asking questions here, like it seems you might be making it out to be. Nor are 99% of these question askers going anywhere with this stuff, search button or not. Mainly it is people with unrealistic dreams, is all. People who's lives suck and they are desperate. That stirs compassion in me, but condemnation in you, it seems.

        I'm sticking with the 'it's better to be a little kharmically cool to someone asking a question, and just answer it than a curt, rude, [insert level of profanity you are comfortable with here, lol]'. But, that is just me and to each their own.

        I did mention I see BOTH sides, yours too, tjr, but some of you only want to see this as a black or white, a your side only thing, and condemn, condemn, condemn.

        And now, I gots me some of that entrepreneurial stuff to do, so I'm done in this rather meaningless thread. A thread that exemplifies what a forum is - a whole bunch 'o people chatting about different things, just for the sake of chatting.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Here's what a few responders are missing in this thread.


          If you take the time to look closely - you'll see that quetions asking how to do something specific or requests for software or optimization ideas or other SPECIFIC questions about IM are almost always answered very completely and politely here. It is not true that membes here are not helpful. But - there is no magic, no easy button, no shortcut to the money pile.


          Wht some of us are sick of are the sorts of questons that would have been automatically deleted a couple years ago.


          such as:


          -30 variations on "I need $$$ in ## days/weeks"


          -Have no time but need results fast


          -Have no money or time but want to earn now


          -Here's my harebrained idea that I'm just throwing out without any serious thought - fix it for me


          -I know it takes time but I really need money now so tell me how to do it


          -I need $10-$20-$100-$300 a day....where do I find the money?


          Add that into the increasing number of one line threads and posts that make no sense at all (but seem to have a sig attached)...and it's a wonder there isn't MORE snarky advice here.


          Several years ago there WAS A FAQ SECTION - it was a "most often asked questions" section. No one read it - but it did give us something to point to when the repetitive questons appeared.
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      • Profile picture of the author @tjr
        Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

        ]You seem to want to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the naive newb. I don't. I place plenty of blame upon these 'self-motivated entrepreneurs'.
        II would just as quickly argue that what I outlined in the post you quoted is a solution (if not THE solution). They're not entrepreneurs, no. But if they're going to come here down and desperate and we want them to be shown compassion, then wouldn't the best form be a quick kick in the ass and a push towards what they need to do?

        I did address outdated information, in my opinion. Just like any NEW information in this site, everything should be RESEARCHED and VERIFIED.

        I don't think you and I have disagreeing philosophies. Rather, I think my presentation is painting me (to you) to be on an extreme if this argument. I'm not. I'd love to see a detailed how to that can be copy pasted to newb questions that explain what's required. Hell, maybe I'll write it on the bus ride home.

        You guys don't seem to want to ACKNOWLEDGE that that attitude has been harbored and PROFITED from for many years now - the give me a few bucks, and I'll spoon feed you a simple way to make yerself a millionaire.
        If you're speaking to me specifically, I don't think I've been asked to. I will acknowledge and condemn it now. It's not OK. But the fact that the culture exists (existed, I'm not around enough to know for sure) does not mean it needs to continue or that something radical needs to be done to change things.

        So, send them off searching the basement of WF threads to look for all of those promises, plus all of the many, many posts penned by people who never really made any money and don't really know what the hell they are talking about?
        God yes, send them right the hell in. BUT let them know what they're about to find. Let them know how to verify nuggets that seem like they're going to be useful. Why not give them a shot at educating themselves, instead of dropping cash on a course that won't help and is probably meant to prey on them?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    A couple of more points...


    Repetition is one thing. However, adding a new thread when there's already 2 or 3 similar threads on the first page of the forum do nothing to improve this forum. If a person can't perform a search, is it really asking too much to at least look at the first couple of pages for similar topics?


    Also, how many threads started by a newbie seem to be ignored by them after their OP? Many don't interact at all after their original post. If they aren't interested in their own post, why should I be?


    When asking for help, it would be a good idea if they stated their experience, skills, assets, budget, etc. How can any accurate advice be given without this info? All someone will get is very generic responses. It's a form of laziness. If you want good responses, spend some time on your posts and give as much info as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author LogoShield
    There will always be users on this forum that will be upset that you don't know as much as them, or (even though it doesn't effect them at all) will be upset that you re-asked a question, that (the old post) is dead anyways. Maybe you are looking for a different approach, right? Anyways, just ignore them and focus on the replies from the more helpful end of the community, they are usually the ones that are successfull in their works.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by LogoShield View Post

      There will always be users on this forum that will be upset that you don't know as much as them,
      That's BS, these users you are referring to get "upset" when people are too lazy to use the brain that God gave them... The ones that want everything for FREE, handed to them on a silver platter...

      Originally Posted by LogoShield View Post

      , just ignore them and focus on the replies from the more helpful end of the community, they are usually the ones that are successfull in their works.
      Let me tell you a little secret my misguided friend... Those "the more helpful" are usually the ones only posting to advertise, scam, fraud, mislead.... So be careful who you take advice from or pay money too...
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  • Profile picture of the author extrememan
    Well said.. If you provide enough value to peoples lives, then people will begin too listen to you more.. Business 1-o-1..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    A couple more points:

    1. I agree with some here that IMers created much of this situation. The WSO section and sigs are full of offers to make $xx,xxx by Friday with no website, time, skills, or traffic. I've often noticed the disconnect in some desperate threads where a plea for help was made and everyone in the thread said it couldn't be done or to get a job while several sigs promised effortless riches starting today.

    2. Many of the people complaining about the people that say "use the search button" don't do much, if anything, to help others by answering questions. So you aren't willing to help yourself with an answer but you put down those that give the "wrong" answer.

    Likewise some of the ones that are negative about newbies or repetition only post negativity - never try to be helpful in any manner. Again - part of the problem not the solution.

    We need more people to be part of the solution rather than just complaining from the sidelines.

    3. Early on I offered to head up a FAQ section voluntarily. The administration didn't want to cut down on the discussion so they didn't want to do it. Those that want discussion on every thread wouldn't like "see the FAQ" because it has the same meaning as "use the search button". So I'm not sure a FAQ would work at all even if admin wanted it.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    If you are the opposite and give a caring answer to all the noob questions, then you will quietly be creating a groundswell and the next generation of people here are going to look up to you alot more. Let them be snarky... In the grand scheme they are just making themselves into a person that the guys coming up will not respect, or go to.

    Some people are mainstays, but the crowd here is mostly transient.... Gene Simmons of "KISS" said that you lose one fan at a time, till eventually, you suddenly realize that tens of thousands are gone. If some are that way, then let them lose the future generation , and have foresight for yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Instead of being defensive, you can use the criticism and perceived negativity to PUSH you to become better...

    PROVE them wrong by ACHIEVING SUCCESS

    you know what they say: SUCCESS is the best revenge

    Get out there and TAKE REVENGE



    I know, I know, it's politically correct to be motivated by something more 'positive' but hey, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether a cat is black or white. What matters is whether it catches mice or not....
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  • Profile picture of the author karmadog
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Most specifically on this forum, It's like people think they're more intelligent than the rest of us just because a person asks a question that's been asked before. Obviously they're asking for a reason, that's the point of this forum, right?

    "But They Can Just Do a Quick Search"

    Well then, that defeats the purpose of this forum, they might as well just go on Google and do a search then. Are you here to serve or to make people feel stupid who are trying to make a living?

    If you want top notch topics then you should stop being a cheapskate and fork over some cash to join an advanced level mastermind.

    If you see a question coming up over and over again - be intelligent and serve that problem, obviously that's more profitable than saying:

    "This question again? haha Noob."

    That's going to do more for you, for them, and for Warrior in general, as opposed to just being a snarky jerk.
    I know what you mean..
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmcdonald909
    yeah Bernie Mandroff was as charming as hell when getting investors to plonk down $2m+. We know where that ended.

    I am all for the Gordon Ramsey, Simon Cowell, Allen Sugar approach Abrupt, tough but sincere. Tell it how it is. No PC pandering. No ripping off.

    I hate snake oil salesmen that are over the top "nice" because that's the only way they are going to get the sale. Worse, they know what they are actually selling you is a rip off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      So, you know what?

      I went to the first day of a 3 day seminar thing for all things wordpress, php, design, etc.

      You know what I heard from the instructors today as a comment to the whole class - regarding when you don't know what something is or how to do it?

      "YOU CAN JUST DO A GOOGLE SEARCH"

      Encouragement to the class to not hesitate to go search for things on their own.

      Did I mention this is a weekend event I paid for?

      Was I upset over this comment? Hellz no.

      I'll be the first to admit that on occasion I don't know what exactly it is that I'm searching for, and maybe need someone to toss me the correct jargon.

      But I do know I've seen requests for help here where someone begins by saying, "I searched for this but couldn't find it" or "I saw this but it was from a year or two ago and is that still the case." I don't mind doing what I can for those requests as there was some initiative on the other persons part to do something.

      Just sayin'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert King
    If there is one single skill that underpins most successful online entrepreneurs it would be the ability to learn via research.

    Lazy people who come here and pose questions already answered in recent threads should learn how to learn and this includes using Google and the forum's search functionality. So while it may seem rude to the person posing the question, helping them along with the search functionality is one of the best favours you can do them.

    If anyone wants to succeed in online business then possessing the skills to research and develop an understanding of a subject is paramount. That said I have no issues with people who ask questions from a position of having done some research and needing a nudge along.
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  • Profile picture of the author kimanierick
    I think that some people are just lazy to do research. They just want to be spoon fed but do nothing for themselves. But this is not usually the case for all them, some are usually genuine and they want to know other peoples opinions. Yes you can search on google but that doesn't mean the information is usually right. It is better to get direct answers from experienced people from the forum. If you feel that somebody asked a question that you dont like, then just dont comment because no one forces you to do so. No need to bully someone on the forum. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    If you can't take some snarky remarks or sarcasm, you're not going to get very far.

    If you don't have common sense, you're not going to get very far.

    If you whine, bitch, and complain you're not going to get very far.

    Just wait until things are scaled up in your business and you're dealing with customers or subscribers, taking crap from them or when you're on social media and have followers.

    Some people are doing you a favor by not sugar coating stuff. People come on here looking for validation, not advice,

    You need to learn how to put A and B together for yourself without constant handholding. It's basic problem solving.

    And the people on here who are constantly nice, coddling you, and changing your diapers aren't the type of people making any real money. They are mostly pretenders.

    The reason this was once a great forum is because it was a tough place to be at times and the mods didn't put up with stupidity (for the most part). Now the floodgates have opened and you see what has happened.
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  • Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

    Valid points can still be raised from someone who is a hypocrite.
    Hey, that's a cool proposition.

    Mebbe valid points can only be raised by someone who is a hypocrite.

    Two opposing, contrary, or just plain different perspectives settle on a mean point as experience greets the impossible awkwardness of the emergin' moment.

    In contrast, certainty offers more of a blunt than a point, like the blunt truth of gravity or time or any other constant.

    They got equations for alla that stuff, but I see no calculable curve chartin' a course through this thread.

    When to be generous to noobs?

    When to be snarky to noobs?

    When to say nothing?

    What is the rule?

    Perhaps we are all tryin' to figure out a universal truth here — to which all may adhere, and from which all would benefit — when no such truth exists.

    Which is kinda cool, 'cos it sounds like an enslavin' kinda truth to me, so I'm gonna be a noob about alla this an' take each noob on their own merits, one at a time, same as I do with the monumentally denoobified.

    Tellya, those guys are the worst.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    I'm kinda curious what his agenda is.

    Take a look at his post history - i'm thinking he's trying to use the WF (due to his own lack of knowledge) to create either topics for a book, a private forum or a product or some sort:

    Some of his recent posts

    Now I could be wrong - but it seems to me he's asking a TON of open ended questions that would make great chapters in a book, and not offering much (other than his snarky comments) value...


    My $0.02
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Here's the thing - some of us take the time to look into history before being 'snarky'. When someone starts a list of threads like Jeff listed - and hardly even posts in them EXCEPT to start the thread...you have to wonder what the point is.


      If you look you'll see the only time the OP becomes involved in his own thread as it grows is when he is calling answers (or members) "ignorant" - and he doesn't bother to thank those who respond helpfully in his threads.


      Sometimes snarky is a response to a pattern you may not have noticed.




      Edit: ....and none of the above matters one whit....you can start threads as you please, answer or not, thank people or not...and it's no one's business except mods...




      ....until you start threads where you put other members down...then snarky is what you earn...
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        you have to wonder what the point it.

        2 pages of people arguing amongst themselves I should imagine.
        Some people get a kick out of stirring the pot then sitting back and watching.
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        • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
          Nice to see the OP contributing to this thread with their wisdom...........after bashing all the people on this forum. Come out of that rabbit hole and grow some balls....
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