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Cali16

9 years ago

I just heard about this a short while ago. Heartbreaking to say the least.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

I hope this is the end of the attacks tonight. The hostage situation at the concert hall is over and probably around 100 dead there plus more from other locations. True horror.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

There are also reports of a suicide bombing outside the Stade De France where an international soccer match was being played with the French team playing Germany. Apparently French President Hollande was attending.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by whateverpedia

There are also reports of a suicide bombing outside the Stade De France where an international soccer match was being played with the French team playing Germany. Apparently French President Hollande was attending.

... and gratefully, he wasn't harmed. The country doesn't need to be without their leader at a time like this.

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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

... and gratefully, he wasn't harmed. The country doesn't need to be without their leader at a time like this.

I guess we'll never know if he was a target or whether they chose the stadium because it would have had thousands of both French and German fans in attendance.
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whateverpedia

9 years ago

President Hollande has declared a nationwide state of emergency and all borders have been closed.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

President Hollande has declared a nationwide state of emergency and all borders have been closed.

Thought of that one about 50,000 immigrants too late. If we don't stop our own PC ignorance and admit for once and for all it's not safe to try to integrate some cultures, it's going to be the US sooner than later, too. One thing that we have that the Europeans don't is our guns. Insurgence have more to worry about than someone finally calling the Military when things finally get nasty enough here.

I know I won't be stepping into any "no gun zones" until the unrest on this planet is over with.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by HeySal

One thing that we have that the Europeans don't is our guns. Insurgence have more to worry about than someone finally calling the Military when things finally get nasty enough here.

I know I won't be stepping into any "no gun zones" until the unrest on this planet is over with.

The fact that some here have guns and cart them around with them hasn't stopped the many mass murders committed here on a rather routine, daily basis, or 911 and Boston bombings (as mentioned already).

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by alistair

You can't even stop home grown nutjobs with your guns, not to mention events like 9/11 and the Boston bombings.

So you've already been scared into restricting your movement, even in your own country?

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The fact that some here have guns and cart them around with them hasn't stopped the many mass murders committed here on a rather routine, daily basis, or 911 and Boston bombings (as mentioned already).

You guys. Get with the program. Everybody knows that "rednecks" with guns always get the first shot in.

Originally Posted by alistair

Sorry but that wouldn't happen here, it'd be two fingers up to them and then business as usual as I'm sure it will be in France.

We wouldn't even expend that much energy on them. Why bother with two fingers when just one (the middle one) will do.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by whateverpedia

You guys. Get with the program. Everybody knows that "rednecks" with guns always get the first shot in.

Yeah, but these days, we just call them cops. lol

So ... not to have yet another cop or gun control thread, which has nothing to do at all with the crisis in France, it appears that ....

PARIS — French President François Hollande decried Saturday the massacres across Paris as an “act of war” carried out by the Islamic State, amplifying signals of a major response from France after coordinated gunfire and bombings that killed at least 127 people. Moments later, a message attributed to the Islamic State asserted responsibility for the attacks in France since World War II and among of the worst terrorist strikes on Western soil since Sept. 11, 2001.
The Islamic State — in statements in Arabic and French — suggested the attacks had been in the planning stages, but gave no clear indication of whether Friday held any particular significance. It described Paris has the capital of a country that “carries the cross in Europe.”

French president calls Paris attacks ‘act of war’ by Islamic State

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...82f_story.html

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rhondaklewis

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Thought of that one about 50,000 immigrants too late. If we don't stop our own PC ignorance and admit for once and for all it's not safe to try to integrate some cultures, it's going to be the US sooner than later, too. One thing that we have that the Europeans don't is our guns. Insurgence have more to worry about than someone finally calling the Military when things finally get nasty enough here.

I know I won't be stepping into any "no gun zones" until the unrest on this planet is over with.

I'm a little lost. What does 50,000 immigrants too late and integrating some cultures have to do with this terrorist attack?

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

I'm a little lost. What does 50,000 immigrants too late and integrating some cultures have to do with this terrorist attack?

Well, that one is a no brainer.

Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe | World | News | Daily Express

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well, that one is a no brainer.

Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe | World | News | Daily Express

ISIS smuggler: 'We will use refugee crisis to infiltrate West'

There's nothing like the right wing media to stir up fear in the gullible, is there?

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by whateverpedia

There's nothing like the right wing media to stir up fear in the gullible, is there?

Yes ... I now notice the url of the second article and recognize that to be right wing propaganda. My bad ... but the first one? I don't recognize it to be right wing media. At least not US right wing media.

The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees.The ISIS smuggler, who is in his thirties and is described as having a trimmed jet-black beard, revealed the ongoing clandestine operation is a complete success.
"Just wait," he smiled.
The Islamic State operative spoke exclusively to BuzzFeed on the condition of anonymity and is believed to be the first to confirm plans to infiltrate western countries.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Yes ... I now notice the url of the second article and recognize that to be right wing propaganda. My bad ... but the first one? I don't recognize it to be right wing media. At least not US right wing media.

Actually there probably is some truth in what they're saying. I certainly wouldn't put it past the b@st@rds in ISIS to use the crisis of people fleeing from them to sneak some of their own in.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Actually there probably is some truth in what they're saying. I certainly wouldn't put it past the b@st@rds in ISIS to use the crisis of people fleeing from them to sneak some of their own in.

I removed the second url because I don't ever deliberately quote RW articles, but no, it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to surmise that they are intelligent enough and capable of using the immigration crisis to smuggle theirs in. I would actually be surprised if that weren't the case.

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alistair

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

There's nothing like the right wing media to stir up fear in the gullible, is there?

Gullible? My mums next door neighbour fosters kids. The last one was an Eritrean girl, supposedly 16. She'd been staying there for a couple months at least then one night the police and paramedics turned up and were there for some hours The next night same thing. In the end she had a breakdown and turns out she is in her mid 20's and not who she says she is.

Also my cousins just started fostering kids and so far he's been looking after an Eritrean girl and before her it was an Afghan boy, or at least that's who the authorities think they are but really it's anybody's guess.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by alistair

Gullible? My mums next door neighbour fosters kids. The last one was an Eritrean girl, supposedly 16. She'd been staying there for a couple months at least then one night the police and paramedics turned up and were there for some hours The next night same thing. In the end she had a breakdown and turns out she is in her mid 20's and not who she says she is.

Also my cousins just started fostering kids and so far he's been looking after an Eritrean girl and before her it was an Afghan boy, or at least that's who the authorities think they are but really it's anybody's guess.

I see your point.

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Kay King

9 years ago

Sal - I don't know what's happened but you seem to be ready for a rant in any thread lately. This isn't about the US or our policies - it's about France and tragedy there.

This is, to my mind, the future of terrorist attacks. Coordinated and sequential - and clearly any country where people live in freedom will be a target. It IS an 'act of war' but how do you tell who the enemy is?

I can't even imagine what it will be like to be a peaceful Muslim in France (non-Isis) after these attacks. My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones last night.

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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I can't even imagine what it will be like to be a peaceful Muslim in France (non-Isis) after these attacks.

Exactly. Blaming every Muslim for the actions of ISIS is like blaming every Christian for the actions of the KKK
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- salegurus 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by whateverpedia
  
  Exactly. Blaming every Muslim for the actions of ISIS is like blaming every Christian for the actions of the KKK
  
  I've been mulling this over for a while but I still don't get how being Christain relates to the KKK?
  
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  MikeTucker 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by salegurus
  
  I've been mulling this over for a while but I still don't get how being Christain relates to the KKK?
  
  I was going to make a derogatory remark about the state of public education.
  But then I realized, yeah... most private schools are even less likely to educate
  students on this particular area of history...
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
  
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  Claude Whitacre 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by salegurus
  
  I've been mulling this over for a while but I still don't get how being Christain relates to the KKK?
  
  Spelled Christian.
  
  The KKK sees itself as a Christian organization. They burn crosses, really.
  
  But even if you ignore that, you have the Crusades, witch trials, the Dark Ages.
  
  If the apple cart is big enough, you'll always find a few bad apples.
  
  Man, I mean all this in a historical context.
  
  And yeah, the link Mike provided lists much of it. Again, no organization is without bad apples.
  
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  Midnight Oil 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre
  
  The KKK sees itself as a Christian organization. They burn crosses, really.
  
  Interesting backstory . . .
  
  In The Clansman novel Thomas F. Dixon, Jr. had invented the notion that the first Klan had used burning crosses.
  
  Film director D. W. Griffith brought this image to the screen in the 1915 film, The Birth of a Nation.
  
  William Joseph Simmons, founder of the second Klan, adopted the symbol wholesale from the movie. The symbol has been associated with the Klan ever since.
  
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alistair

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

It's called human desperation.
Growing-up as a girl in Eritrea-- Not many worse Hells on Earth, are there?
Lying and manipulation is a matter of survival, it becomes who you are.
Feeling safe doesn't happen for a very, very long time, if ever.
And people who don't feel safe, don't tell the truth.

No doubt, the terrorists have smuggled in among the refugees, but...

Fear cannot be allowed to make our decisions for us.

Sometimes "anybody's guess" will be wrong, and we will feel real pain for it.
But we are strong anyway, because quite frankly, giving-in to our fear and
failing people who need us-- children who need us-- is a far worse crime.

All very noble I'm sure but I'm not talking about fear, or failing children.

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Again, human desperation.
Why would they target France? People we view as innocent?

I can't help but think that if their lives were not such Hell,
if they valued themselves and had better lives,
then the wannabe kings would have a far more difficult time
creating pawns out of them?

It seems as though these "terrorists" were likely French nationals. Whether they were born and bred in France I don't know, but it's nothing to do with human desperation.

Originally Posted by Kay King

I can't even imagine what it will be like to be a peaceful Muslim in France (non-Isis) after these attacks.

It'll probably be just like any other day.

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MikeTucker 9 years ago

Originally Posted by alistair

All very noble I'm sure but I'm not talking about fear, or failing children.

"The written word is subject to the interpretation of the reader" and all that...
I could have easily misunderstood your previous post.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by alistair

Gullible? My mums next door neighbour fosters kids. The last one was an Eritrean girl, supposedly 16. She'd been staying there for a couple months at least then one night the police and paramedics turned up and were there for some hours The next night same thing. In the end she had a breakdown and turns out she is in her mid 20's and not who she says she is.

Also my cousins just started fostering kids and so far he's been looking after an Eritrean girl and before her it was an Afghan boy, or at least that's who the authorities think they are but really it's anybody's guess.

It's called human desperation.
Growing-up as a girl in Eritrea-- Not many worse Hells on Earth, are there?
Lying and manipulation is a matter of survival, it becomes who you are.
Feeling safe doesn't happen for a very, very long time, if ever.
And people who don't feel safe, don't tell the truth.

No doubt, the terrorists have smuggled in among the refugees, but...

Originally Posted by alistair

So you've already been scared into restricting your movement, even in your own country? Sorry but that wouldn't happen here, it'd be two fingers up to them and then business as usual as I'm sure it will be in France.

Fear cannot be allowed to make our decisions for us.

Sometimes "anybody's guess" will be wrong, and we will feel real pain for it.
But we are strong anyway, because quite frankly, giving-in to our fear and
failing people who need us-- children who need us-- is a far worse crime.

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

I am truly appalled by what took place last night in Paris.

When innocent people are harmed so wilfully, unashamedly and brutally, I am consumed by despair.

It is far from inconceivable that more innocent people will join the thousands whose lives have already been taken.

Their only sin will be to eat out somewhere nice, listen to music they want to hear, or simply breathe the air in a random street for no particular reason at all.

This is freedom, and the price we pay for having it is that some who regard it as wrong seek to destroy it in their murderous rage.

But destruction never raised families or built anything of lasting value.

Nothing flourishes in death and pain and ashes, and we must hope the architects of radicalisation figure out that the first lives lost in this conflict are their own.

Eyewitness reports say the killers were "very young", and we know what that means.

Early twentysomethings, teens.

In their way, these terrorised young suicide bombers are glorified self harmers with nothing to live for -- innocents harmed long before a single shot was fired.

I am sickened that young boys with the potential to do good in the world are being persuaded to kill people, deliberately and indiscriminately.

The lights went out on liberty last night in Paris, and unspeakable suffering was wrought in the darkness.

But liberty has slipped all chains that ever sought to bind it, and when the debris is cleared and the streets restored to life, people will walk out once again into the same tomorrow that freedom unyieldingly promises and delivers.

If only liberty were free to bring those poor souls back from the dead, bless their hearts.

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MikeTucker

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

Eyewitness reports say the killers were "very young", and we know what that means.

Early twentysomethings, teens.

In their way, these terrorised young suicide bombers are glorified self harmers with nothing to live for — innocents harmed long before a single shot was fired.

I am sickened that young boys with the potential to do good in the world are being persuaded to kill people, deliberately and indiscriminately.

Again, human desperation.
Why would they target France? People we view as innocent?

I can't help but think that if their lives were not such Hell,
if they valued themselves and had better lives,
then the wannabe kings would have a far more difficult time
creating pawns out of them?

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Again, human desperation.
Why would they target France? People we view as innocent?

I can't help but think that if their lives were not such Hell,
if they valued themselves and had better lives,
then the wannabe kings would have a far more difficult time
creating pawns out of them?

That's a good question. I have no idea. But some general possibilities are;
These were easy targets, and that was a major consideration.
It was targeted specifically at France, for reasons we may not know yet.
It was too difficult to get to a more preferred target.
The terrorists were already in France, maybe even grew up there.
The terrorists were targeting France to get a specific multinational response.
It was just random, because these people are insane.

Who knows.

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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Why would they target France?

France (along with Britain) was meddling in the Middle East long before America got involved.

According to unconfirmed reports, one of the attackers at the concert venue shouted out that the attack was in retaliation for France's involvement in Syria. There are also reports that one of them was found with a Syrian passport on him.

If that bit about the passport is true, then that means he was not one of the refugees "invading" Europe. He came into France by a traditional means (air, sea, etc). The refugees don't carry passports.
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jimmcdonald909 9 years ago

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

I'm a little lost. What does 50,000 immigrants too late and integrating some cultures have to do with this terrorist attack?

Are you trolling or serious?
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jimmcdonald909

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Thought of that one about 50,000 immigrants too late. If we don't stop our own PC ignorance and admit for once and for all it's not safe to try to integrate some cultures, it's going to be the US sooner than later, too. One thing that we have that the Europeans don't is our guns. Insurgence have more to worry about than someone finally calling the Military when things finally get nasty enough here.

I know I won't be stepping into any "no gun zones" until the unrest on this planet is over with.

The worlds gone *** mad!

They can't check all these "immigrants flooding in.." yet we are supposed to welcome them with open arms. This is the end of Europe i pray USA/Canada donot go down the same road.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909

The worlds gone *** mad!

They can't check all these "immigrants flooding in.." yet we are supposed to welcome them with open arms. This is the end of Europe i pray USA/Canada donot go down the same road.

People are so PC led now that they don't understand reality. Some groups do not mix with other groups. They should not be integrated. Societies collapse under high levels of immigration. When the basic idiologies don't mix, it's deadly for one group. Look at what we did to the Indians here in the US when we brought our hordes over here. That's not isolated crap. That's the way the world works.

Countries are closing their borders one by one because of the extremities of the problems, but people still don't want to face that anything can go wrong when you are "nice" and "accommodating".

Ask yourself this. There are lots of Muslim countries - and many that aren't in civil crisis. Why are they not taking any refugees when these people are of their own faith and would actually assimilate easily? Instead they're being sent to predominantly Christian countries. Hm. I wonder what's up with that. Of course - some people scream when uncomfortable truths are told or questions asked. I'm just gonna sit back and watch.

BTW - I'm not walking into a "No gun Zone" for two reasons - safety. You advertise "hey these people are sitting ducks" then people are surprised when that is where the attacks happen. Secondly - I refuse to spend money anywhere that they think it's okay to infringe on our rights. We have these rights for a reason. They are not determined on what people's f***ing feelings are.

What people have to wake up and realize is that there are, on this planet, whole cultures of people that are dangerous to other cultures en mass. Okay - say only 20% of Islam is dangerous. That's almost the population of the US - and they are teaching their kids. Don't be surprised when crap happens.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

BTW - I'm not walking into a "No gun Zone" for two reasons - safety. You advertise "hey these people are sitting ducks" then people are surprised when that is where the attacks happen. Secondly - I refuse to spend money anywhere that they think it's okay to infringe on our rights. We have these rights for a reason. They are not determined on what people's f***ing feelings are.

I agree with you on the immigration ... in fact, I agree more with RW than LW on immigration .... surprise!!!

However, you are wrong in the assumption that a No Gun zone infringes on anyone's rights. In fact, establishments do have the right to prohibit firearms if they wish to do so. The law only states you have the right to bear arms, but does not say you have the right to bear arms anywhere anytime you want. There are limitations and I don't imagine that a no gun zone establishment will care if you don't patronize them. I will in your absence and so will a lot of other people.

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Star Man

9 years ago

I wonder if we'll see any Charlie Hebdo's stupid humor regarding this terrorist attack.
The irony here -- kids went to a Death Metal band's concert and got what they paid for. Metal (bullets) and death, which weren't delivered by the band, but rather by the terrorists.

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alistair

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

One thing that we have that the Europeans don't is our guns. Insurgence have more to worry about than someone finally calling the Military when things finally get nasty enough here.

You can't even stop home grown nutjobs with your guns, not to mention events like 9/11 and the Boston bombings.

Originally Posted by HeySal

I know I won't be stepping into any "no gun zones" until the unrest on this planet is over with.

So you've already been scared into restricting your movement, even in your own country? Sorry but that wouldn't happen here, it'd be two fingers up to them and then business as usual as I'm sure it will be in France.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

On a positive note, landmarks around the world including the Sydney Opera House and the statue of Christ the Redeemer have been lit in the colours of the French flag in solidarity with the French people:

Sydney Opera House lit up in red, white and blue as world cities adopt the Tricolore

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9 years ago

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Council House, City Of Perth, lit up in the blue, white and red.

What is your home town doing? Post your pics and show solidarity with our French cousins.

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Originally Posted by whateverpedia

What is your home town doing? Post your pics and show solidarity with our French cousins.

Sorry ... that's just how we roll here. lol

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Sorry ... that's just how we roll here. lol

That in effect is a defiant act of solidarity. Going about your normal lives unaffected by fear.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I removed the second url because I don't ever deliberately quote RW articles...

Do you apply the same filter to LW articles?

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

That in effect is a defiant act of solidarity. Going about your normal lives unaffected by fear.

It's also what we do when we don't know what else to do.

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TimPhelan 9 years ago

This guy rolled a grand piano in front of the theater in Paris and started playing Imagine.

Man performs 'Imagine' on piano outside Bataclan...
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- socialentry Banned 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TimPhelan
  
  This guy rolled a grand piano in front of the theater in Paris and started playing Imagine.
  
  Man performs 'Imagine' on piano outside Bataclan - YouTube
  
  Kumbaya my lord Kumbaya....
  
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  TimPhelan 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by socialentry
  
  Kumbaya my lord Kumbaya....
  
  Nope. You got the wrong song. This one is more appropriate I think:
  
  Imagine there's no heaven
  It's easy if you try
  No hell below us
  Above us only sky
  Imagine all the people
  Living for today...
  
  Imagine there's no countries
  It isn't hard to do
  Nothing to kill or die for
  And no religion too
  Imagine all the people
  Living life in peace...
  
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  Midnight Oil 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TimPhelan
  
  Nope. You got the wrong song. This one is more appropriate I think:
  
  Imagine there's no countries
  It isn't hard to do
  
  Well on our way.
  
  No borders = no countries.
  
  Doubtful it will turn out as lovey-dovey as some seem to think it will.
  
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  TimPhelan 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Midnight Oil
  
  Well on our way.
  
  No borders = no countries.
  
  You think we are well on our way to no borders? I think it's going the opposite way. Perhaps in a few centuries we will evolve enough though. The key part of that song relating to this event is probably more about nothing to die for, including religion, which isn't likely to fade away anytime soon either. But we can imagine...
  
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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Do you apply the same filter to LW articles?
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The accomplishment is to know it's a biased LW or RW article, even when you agree with it.
That's the trap. You find an article that you agree with, and then you find yourself agreeing with ideas further and further away from what your core beliefs are.

It's why propaganda works.

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MikeTucker

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

The accomplishment is to know it's a biased ... article, even when you agree with it.
That's the trap. You find an article that you agree with, and then you find yourself agreeing with ideas further and further away from what your core beliefs are.

It's why propaganda works.

Good to see you back.

Yep, the more I read this Wikipedia article, the more I think it's absolutely correct!!

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Do you apply the same filter to LW articles?

I normally apply a filter to "biased" articles no matter which wing and try to cite articles that concentrate on facts rather than opinion, although I am arguably and unapologetically more left than right wing in persuasion.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I normally apply a filter to "biased" articles no matter which wing and try to cite articles that concentrate on facts rather than opinion, although I am arguably and unapologetically more left than right wing in persuasion.

That's what I hoped to bring out, because your original comment didn't indicate that. That's the kind of perspective I can respect. There are enough Kool-Aid drinkers on either side of the aisle.

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

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Thanks, but I'm not back...and, I haven't left. I just don't post much anymore.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Viva La France!

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

The cadets at West Point lend their support.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

There's another aspect to this. It proves beyond all reasonable doubt how utterly ineffective the data mining, electronic surveillance, metadata retention, etc., operations of the various security agencies are.

They may well be useful in telling them what happened after the event, but are completely useless at preventing them.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

There's another aspect to this. It proves beyond all reasonable doubt how utterly ineffective the data mining, electronic surveillance, metadata retention, etc., operations of the various security agencies are.

That's a reasonable conclusion, but not necessarily true. Not that I approve of governments spying on its citizens without going through certain legal prerequisites, but many terrorist attacks could have been foiled before anyone was harmed so we hear little, if anything, about it.

That said, I've seen reports that terrorists are becoming more sophisticated in their communications. Whether the governments can close that gap or not is open for speculation.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

That said, I've seen reports that terrorists are becoming more sophisticated in their communications.

Chances are they're actually becoming less sophisticated. Instead of leaving a footprint, they've gone back to passing hand written notes, face to face meetings and other old school methods.

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bizgrower

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

That in effect is a defiant act of solidarity. Going about your normal lives unaffected by fear.

It's how they thrive in Israel.

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Chances are they're actually becoming less sophisticated. Instead of leaving a footprint, they've gone back to passing hand written notes, face to face meetings and other old school methods.

After the attack in the USA on 9/11, I noticed a lot of Arabic graffiti all over the place. The most disconcerting ones were higher up, about 12 - 20 feet up, on office buildings in downtown Denver, CO.

I called the FBI in Denver and spoke to a field supervisor about how I thought it was like smoke signals, perhaps. He thought it was a good observance and said "Gosh, that's one I did not think of."

Around that time, I also noticed a lot of cars broken down cars on the shoulder of a highway that runs by several oil refineries. Much more than one would see anywhere else. I reported that to the authorities thinking that the bad guys could sneak into the refineries and do something destructive.

So, do keep your eyes open and report such things. It might prevent something, or help catch
a terrorist.

I've never had a bad experience reporting such things to authorities.

Dan

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rhondaklewis

9 years ago

This is all very scary. How can we possibly prevent this from happening here. France didn't even see this coming. I am more afraid now then I was during 9/11.

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alistair

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

People are so PC led now that they don't understand reality. Some groups do not mix with other groups. They should not be integrated. Societies collapse under high levels of immigration. When the basic idiologies don't mix, it's deadly for one group. Look at what we did to the Indians here in the US when we brought our hordes over here. That's not isolated crap. That's the way the world works.

Countries are closing their borders one by one because of the extremities of the problems, but people still don't want to face that anything can go wrong when you are "nice" and "accommodating".

Ask yourself this. There are lots of Muslim countries - and many that aren't in civil crisis. Why are they not taking any refugees when these people are of their own faith and would actually assimilate easily? Instead they're being sent to predominantly Christian countries. Hm. I wonder what's up with that. Of course - some people scream when uncomfortable truths are told or questions asked. I'm just gonna sit back and watch.

BTW - I'm not walking into a "No gun Zone" for two reasons - safety. You advertise "hey these people are sitting ducks" then people are surprised when that is where the attacks happen. Secondly - I refuse to spend money anywhere that they think it's okay to infringe on our rights. We have these rights for a reason. They are not determined on what people's f***ing feelings are.

What people have to wake up and realize is that there are, on this planet, whole cultures of people that are dangerous to other cultures en mass. Okay - say only 20% of Islam is dangerous. That's almost the population of the US - and they are teaching their kids. Don't be surprised when crap happens.

I agree with most of what you're saying except the no gun zone thing. Britain's what I guess you would call a no gun zone and I've always felt safe here. Yes there are areas that are going to be more dodgy than others but I don't think there's anywhere I wouldn't go because I'd be too scared, except maybe The Hole in the Wall pub on over 40's night.

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

This is all very scary. How can we possibly prevent this from happening here. France didn't even see this coming. I am more afraid now then I was during 9/11.

Stop being a wuss. Besides if it makes you feel better I would think you have a much greater chance of being murdered by one of your own neighbours than a terrorist.

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