Ronda Rousey Knocked Out

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Ronda Rousey was knocked out in the second round by Holly Holm.


This was a pretty big upset, but goes to show that in MMA anything can happen. So who had money on Holm?
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    I don't know how long this video will be up, but in this 54 seconds Rousey looks totally out-matched by Holm:


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    Rousey looking like Wandy when he got touched by the LHK at PRIDE’s 2006 Open-Weight Grand Prix.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    WOW!!! I think she had trouble dealing with a southpaw and couldn't pick up that lead right hand along with a right forearm smash. I hope she gets a rematch.


    Here's a interview with the new champion...

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      WOW!!! I think she had trouble dealing with a southpaw and couldn't pick up that lead right hand along with a right forearm ...
      And those two kicks in the face. Her claim that she would beat Mayweather is even more ridiculous now.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        I almost feel bad about how much I made on this.


        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        And those two kicks in the face. Her claim that she would beat Mayweather is even more ridiculous now.
        Those weren't kicks, they were touching with the foot.
        Absolutely terrible technique in every way.

        Sadly RR, like so many other fighters, has been a victim of UFC marketing
        for some time now. On the other hand, unlike some fighters, I do believe
        she is mentally tough, and if she takes the time to fully recover and do some
        soul-searching, she'll come back stronger than ever.

        Unlikely, though... These days they force the racehorses back onto the
        track as soon as they can... Gotta make that money!


        As for RR vs Mayweather, I would definitely still put my money on her.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Holm just knew how to beat Rousey. Punch, back away, kick, back away.....

          I kept hearing about a lot of drama that RR had to contend with before the fight. No idea what that was.

          Holm was just amazing.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          Sadly RR, like so many other fighters, has been a victim of UFC marketing
          You should've seen the media blitz down here over her. Every talk show/news bulletin/current affairs show on TV and radio every day for over a week.

          And them. just like that, it was all over.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I didn't see the first round, but ESPN's folks (Chael Sonnen) said Holm won the first round. Rousey looked tired to me in the clip above. Twice she threw a punch and lost her balance, the second time setting herself up for the KO. Balance and lack of form can be caused from being tired. Rousey's face also looked like she'd been hit a bunch and getting hit can wear a person out quickly.

    There's some things I like about Rousey, but there's others I don't like at all, one being she often shows a lack of sportsmanship. In this fight, she refused to touch gloves with Holm before the fight. Everything I've seen of Holm is that she's polite and respectful. I don't have a clue why Rousey felt a need to be totally classless. I know I'll be rooting for Holm in any rematches.
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    • Profile picture of the author nbsdemo
      The first time Ronda fought Tate, she got punched in the face a few times and you could see she did not like it at all and did everything she could to get the fight to the ground. Holm was a far superior striker and must have worked long and hard learning to keep the fight standing up. She had the length and far quicker hands, Ronda will never beat her if she can't find a way to get the fight to the ground. Holm is also a world class athlete and it showed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      There's some things I like about Rousey, but there's others I don't like at all, one being she often shows a lack of sportsmanship. In this fight, she refused to touch gloves with Holm before the fight. Everything I've seen of Holm is that she's polite and respectful. I don't have a clue why Rousey felt a need to be totally classless. I know I'll be rooting for Holm in any rematches.
      I agree.

      Yes, she is a World Champion. Yes,she single-handedly sold the world on women MMA fighters. Yes, she paved the way for these girls headlining events.

      But she sure isn't a good sportsperson. For some reason, she has to hate her opponent.

      I've noticed that when the men fight..once the fight is over, all that aggression is let out, and they almost always shake hands, and congratulate the winner.

      Some of the women take it way more personally. They are so emotionally invested in hating the opponent, and it sticks with them, after the bout. Sometimes, listening to her drama is unbearable.

      At least that's my observation.


      Added later; Here's the whole fight! Watch it quick!

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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        IAdded later; Here's the whole fight! Watch it quick!

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        It was all over for Ronda when she took that big swing which Holly ducked under. She came back very shaky on her feet after that. All Holly had to do was put the final nail in the coffin.
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          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Iy was all over for Ronda when she took that big swing which Holly ducked under. She came back very shaky on her feet after that. All Holly had to do was put the final nail in the coffin.
          Missing shots is more exhausting that connecting.
          But I think she lost long before that.

          She took far too defensive a posture, with her left side far forward.
          The thought behind this is that it makes many of your more vulnerable
          points harder to hit, and puts your lead weapon closer to the target.

          But it doesn't fit the mindset she was trying to have. The terrible thing
          about such a defensive posture is that it also puts your more powerful
          attacks farther away (and in combat, the difference between life and death
          is half an inch).

          She bounced around vertically far too much, looking and waiting to spot
          an opportunity, rather than creating one. Meanwhile, HH was fighting
          from an opposite posture-- Not only "Southpaw" with her right hand forward,
          but also far more open, with both of her power weapons ready to hit at any time.
          (This more "open" and "exposed" posture also has psychological effects,
          but I'll leave those out for now.)

          RR should have opened by destroying HH's legs, punishing her for
          putting so much weight on her lead leg, especially when she was setting
          for the trades, or closing the distance. Instead, her defensive posture
          had her weight on her back leg most of the time, making her even slower
          to respond to threats and opportunities.

          RR's posture was made for controlling distance and countering, but her
          mind wanted to stand and go toe-to-toe with her foe. When HH kept
          the inside of her right (lead) foot, which defines the line of attack, inside
          of RR's left (lead) foot, HH was effectively dominating the center and
          shutting down most of RR's ability to attack or counterattack effectively.

          Their first several exchanges went like this, and combined with RR's
          overall hesitation... It was over before it began, because she trained that
          way, for whatever reason?

          That's when she lost-- back in training camp.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

            RR should have opened by destroying HH's legs, punishing her for
            putting so much weight on her lead leg
            , especially when she was setting
            for the trades, or closing the distance. Instead, her defensive posture
            had her weight on her back leg most of the time, making her even slower
            to respond to threats and opportunities.
            Yup.

            It's also a great way to take power away from punches. Try punching someone while standing on one foot.

            Is there a reason that fighters don't kick the lead leg from the outside in...to turn the opponent away from them? (at least for half a second) It's a chief tactic in Wado Ryu Karate.
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Yup.

              It's also a great way to take power away from punches. Try punching someone while standing on one foot.

              Is there a reason that fighters don't kick the lead leg from the outside in...to turn the opponent away from them? (at least for half a second) It's a chief tactic in Wado Ryu Karate.
              A friend of mine was a Navy Seal (and I believe him). Joints and shins are also disabling
              and exhausting.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                A friend of mine was a Navy Seal (and I believe him). Joints and shins are also disabling
                and exhausting.
                Do you mean kicking to a shin? Or kicking with a shin? Shins can be built up and desensitized, if you want to kick with them. When I would kick the knee, it would be from the side, and the force would be slightly forward. That would tend to swing the person's body around, so you are facing their back. The kick would also not hit solid bone, and would be more hitting tendons and a nerve cluster. It's more a sweep, with follow through..... instead of a recoiling kick.

                I was thinking maybe there was a UFC rule against direct kicks to the knee. Or maybe just kicks to the side of the knee.
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Do you mean kicking to a shin? Or kicking with a shin? Shins can be built up and desensitized, if you want to kick with them. When I would kick the knee, it would be from the side, and the force would be slightly forward. That would tend to swing the person's body around, so you are facing their back. The kick would also not hit solid bone, and would be more hitting tendons and a nerve cluster. It's more a sweep, with follow through..... instead of a recoiling kick.

                  I was thinking maybe there was a UFC rule against direct kicks to the knee. Or maybe just kicks to the side of the knee.
                  I think he meant a kick to a shin to disable your opponent. Or strikes to your opponent's shoulders, elbows, knees, hips to disable them.

                  But, his reference was for combat, street or bar fights as opposed to ring fighting.

                  He demonstrated a punch to the inside of my shoulder and I could see how that would
                  make it hard to swing or grab with that arm. I'm not sure one would get the chance to land
                  strikes to the shoulder that way in the ring, but I don't watch a lot of ring fights.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                    I think he meant a kick to a shin to disable your opponent. Or strikes to your opponents shoulders, elbows, knees, hips to disable them.

                    But, his reference was for combat, street or bar fights as opposed to ring fighting.

                    He demonstrated a punch to the inside of my shoulder and I could see how that would
                    make it hard to swing or grab with that arm. I'm not sure one would get the chance in
                    the ring, but I don't watch a lot of ring fights.
                    My main instructor (Bagua) placed his palm on my inner shoulder (a very vulnerable spot, I found out). He shook his body a little, and I fell to the floor, unable to stand. I asked him why he hit me there. He said, "No vital organs".

                    Wonderful.
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                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      My main instructor (Bagua) placed his palm on my inner shoulder (a very vulnerable spot, I found out). He shook his body a little, and I fell to the floor, unable to stand. I asked him why he hit me there. He said, "No vital organs".

                      Wonderful.
                      That's sort of a method they use to get rid of kidney stones - except they do use the torso.
                      Make you sign a form that warns you it might damage organs.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                        That's sort of a method they use to get rid of kidney stones - except they do use the torso.
                        Make you sign a form that warns you it might damage organs.
                        Are you talking about sonic vibrations?
                        It's similar, I guess. But these strikes are just one "vibrational wave", not repeated vibrations.

                        In Kung Fu books, they call it vibrational energy. But it's really just one wave of momentum.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Are you talking about sonic vibrations?
                          It's similar, I guess. But these strikes are just one "vibrational wave", not repeated vibrations.

                          In Kung Fu books, they call it vibrational energy. But it's really just one wave of momentum.
                          Not sure if it's sound or vibration. The lady I know who had it done is not very articulate. I
                          don't think she knows for sure. She is not going to have it again though. Now that I think about it,
                          it must be vibrational because she talked about pulsing and exterior bruising from the padding
                          they wrapped around her torso.

                          Thank goodness I'm not prone to kidney stones.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Yup.

                          It's also a great way to take power away from punches. Try punching someone while standing on one foot.
                          I learned the hard and painful way not to make that challenge to a
                          karateka of Shitoryu!

                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Is there a reason that fighters don't kick the lead leg from the outside in...to turn the opponent away from them? (at least for half a second) It's a chief tactic in Wado Ryu Karate.
                          Most MMA sport fighters practice strikes that are something of a watered-down version of Muay Thai,
                          mixed with a boxer's mindset. When they attack, especially with their kicks, they tend to try to get
                          a "hit confirm" before following-up. This self-doubt means that they are always too slow to take
                          advantage of the far easier wins that can be had through temporary imbalances like the ones you
                          find in Wadoryu and various Chinese martial arts. For those kinds of attacks to work consistently,
                          you have to start your second attack-- the one that takes advantage of the opening you have created--
                          without waiting to see if the first one succeeds. It's rare to see this from most MMA fighters.

                          Instead when they do kick the lead outside leg, it is an attempt to punish the thigh muscles,
                          and/or the sciatic nerve. This fits their mindset rather well-- Most MMA fighters will always be
                          the spear-wielders, the AK-47 fighters. Tough, reliable, always really good, but never truly great.

                          By the way, Wadoryu also has a very aggressive defense, kicking the inside of the leg in a similar
                          fashion when an opponent is closing the distance. You might see this in many places, even in MMA
                          where it is a great tool against a grappler or wrestler who you suspect is only striking to help close
                          the distance for a takedown. Wadoryu however, tends to have a near-psychic ability to do this just
                          as the person has mentally committed to the charge forward, so that their own balance is recovered
                          and their hips are turning the other direction for a counterattack before their own attacker even knows
                          they have failed.

                          Of course, as I mentioned, don't do this to a strong fighter of Shitoryu, who doesn't "pivot"
                          or even twist much during his or her punch-- Instead, it is an insanely powerful forward thrust
                          of the hips, akin to what many Japanese swordsmen of the Edo period where known for.
                          (And Japanese pirates of the day, who were said to have an attack range of what equals about
                          15 to 18 feet on their initial attack!)

                          If you attack the lead leg of a Shitoryu fighter, you will probably be searching for your floating ribs
                          somewhere in your lungs.

                          ^^All generalizations and sterotypes, of course.



                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Do you mean kicking to a shin? Or kicking with a shin? Shins can be built up and desensitized, if you want to kick with them.
                          Toughen-up, "callous"-up, definitely.
                          But stop short of "herbs" and drugs which kill nerves. (Cowardly shortcuts)
                          Nevermind the tough-talking "pain is weakness leaving the body" BS.
                          People need to know when they have broken bones or torn ligaments!


                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          When I would kick the knee, it would be from the side, and the force would be slightly forward. That would tend to swing the person's body around, so you are facing their back. The kick would also not hit solid bone, and would be more hitting tendons and a nerve cluster. It's more a sweep, with follow through..... instead of a recoiling kick.
                          Again, my answer is a stereotype of most sportfighters, they just don't have the balance, agility,
                          timing, and self-confidence to immediately take advantage of the opening this creates.
                          It's just not in their mindset. Too much of the "jab" mentality, trying to see if they hit,
                          and how the opponent reacts, before they follow-up. An eternity of possibilities destroyed
                          by hesitation and fear of failure.

                          As someone who studied a very different martial art and for a very different purpose,
                          you may not have ever had to face that internal struggle the way sportfighters do?


                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          I was thinking maybe there was a UFC rule against direct kicks to the knee. Or maybe just kicks to the side of the knee.
                          MMA rules tend to not be consistent, which is a real problem for the sport,
                          but linear kicks were allowed in most events until a couple of years ago.
                          Knee attacks can definitely be career-enders, and if you get that kind of
                          reputation, then you can bet everyone who fights you is going to try to
                          do it to you, first!

                          It's another example of how MMA is far more tame than people like to think.



                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          My main instructor (Bagua) placed his palm on my inner shoulder (a very vulnerable spot, I found out). He shook his body a little, and I fell to the floor, unable to stand. I asked him why he hit me there. He said, "No vital organs".

                          Wonderful.
                          Nerve clusters, what wonderful fun. I learned about that particular type of attack (similar, no doubt)
                          from an aikijutsu instructor. (Not to be confused with the softer, gentler, "aikido").
                          Of course in that class, we weren't allowed to ask questions, but yeah, now that you mention it...!

                          "Wonderful!"
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                            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                            I learned the hard and painful way not to make that challenge to a
                            karateka of Shitoryu!
                            Mike; To be clear. I'm not a Karate guy. I have had discussions with Karateka, and have studied Wado-Ryu videos after a practitioner told me that some of my movements may have had their roots from the same Masters. But I know almost nothing about the different styles, except to recognized a few of their Kata. Just didn't want to give you the wrong idea.


                            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                            Most MMA sport fighters practice strikes that are something of a watered-down version of Muay Thai, mixed with a boxer's mindset. When they attack, especially with their kicks, they tend to try to get a "hit confirm" before following-up. This self-doubt means that they are always too slow to take advantage of the far easier wins that can be had through temporary imbalances like the ones you find in Wadoryu and various Chinese martial arts. For those kinds of attacks to work consistently, you have to start your second attack-- the one that takes advantage of the opening you have created--without waiting to see if the first one succeeds. It's rare to see this from most MMA fighters.
                            Insightful. Yeah, I found that to be one of the best openings. A guy throws a strike, and then waits to see what happened. In my practice, the first strike is the first half of the second strike. And I usually am still in contact with a leg or arm, as the second strike arrives, so that I instinctively know that the opponent is where they should be.That's why the leg is still in contact with the opponent's leg. And as a means to control, or sweep if they try to spin out of it. Again, all of this is far less than a second. And most observers would miss it all.





                            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                            Toughen-up, "callous"-up, definitely.
                            But stop short of "herbs" and drugs which kill nerves. (Cowardly shortcuts)
                            Nevermind the tough-talking "pain is weakness leaving the body" BS.
                            People need to know when they have broken bones or torn ligaments!
                            I never conditioned my shins. Did do (and still do) hand conditioning. Slamming our open hands onto a pad filled with quarter inch ball bearings. Sure, I rub the hands in an herbal mix. But I don't think I really need it anymore. I just still have some, so I apply it.

                            At first, the purpose was to be able to hit without hurting your hand. But after a few years, I realized (without being told) that the real purpose is to build the ability to hit with penetration and power over a very short distance. The hands look normal, but they feel like they are made of wood to someone you shake hands with.



                            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                            Again, my answer is a stereotype of most sportfighters, they just don't have the balance, agility, timing, and self-confidence to immediately take advantage of the opening this creates.
                            It's just not in their mindset. Too much of the "jab" mentality, trying to see if they hit,
                            and how the opponent reacts, before they follow-up.
                            An eternity of possibilities destroyed by hesitation and fear of failure.

                            As someone who studied a very different martial art and for a very different purpose,
                            you may not have ever had to face that internal struggle the way sportfighters do?
                            No. None of it was sport oriented.

                            By the way, that hesitation problem? I flinched the first 6 months of training. My instructor told me I was flinching because I was yellow. He had an advanced student trade punches with me, and he would slap me every time I flinched. It took maybe thirty minutes of that abuse before my synapses in my brain learned that flinching is bad.

                            as far as hesitating between blows....

                            I just knew that new guys did it all the time, and eventually I didn't. But I don't remember training to correct it. And when done well the style is circular, in that the techniques layer upon one another, so that hesitancy just goes away with repetition over years.
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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              Mike; To be clear. I'm not a Karate guy. I have had discussions with Karateka, and have studied Wado-Ryu videos after a practitioner told me that some of my movements may have had their roots from the same Masters. But I know almost nothing about the different styles, except to recognized a few of their Kata. Just didn't want to give you the wrong idea.
                              Nope, I remember from previous conversations that you studied kungfu.
                              All Okinawan karate has it's roots in Okinawa-te, which was no doubt influence
                              by kungfu. When Okinawa was it's own sovereign nation, trade with China was
                              unrestricted, and no doubt there were many back-and-forth interactions.


                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              Insightful. Yeah, I found that to be one of the best openings. A guy throws a strike, and then waits to see what happened. In my practice, the first strike is the first half of the second strike. And I usually am still in contact with a leg or arm, as the second strike arrives, so that I instinctively know that the opponent is where they should be.That's why the leg is still in contact with the opponent's leg. And as a means to control, or sweep if they try to spin out of it. Again, all of this is far less than a second. And most observers would miss it all.
                              Which is a vital part of it all, of course.


                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              I never conditioned my shins. Did do (and still do) hand conditioning. Slamming our open hands onto a pad filled with quarter inch ball bearings. Sure, I rub the hands in an herbal mix. But I don't think I really need it anymore. I just still have some, so I apply it.
                              Yep, according to the people I've spoken with, most of the herbs used are for rapid healing,
                              and not for deadening the nerves, but the latter is still practiced, and is thought-of much
                              like steroids-- weak minded cheating, and unhealthy on top of that!
                              The reason I bring it up at all is that it has recently been a trend in the MMA world,
                              where young and impressionable kids who are under tremendous pressure to be
                              invincible end-up in the ring without knowing they are already seriously injured--
                              It can be like playing football when you already have a concussion.


                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              At first, the purpose was to be able to hit without hurting your hand. But after a few years, I realized (without being told) that the real purpose is to build the ability to hit with penetration and power over a very short distance. The hands look normal, but they feel like they are made of wood to someone you shake hands with.
                              Often times it's like that, killing two stones with one bird.


                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              No. None of it was sport oriented.
                              Baguazhang? Not for sport!? Oh come on now... Just because almost every
                              move holds a variation that seriously maims or kills doesn't mean you always
                              have to use that variation!


                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              By the way, that hesitation problem? I flinched the first 6 months of training. My instructor told me I was flinching because I was yellow. He had an advanced student trade punches with me, and he would slap me every time I flinched. It took maybe thirty minutes of that abuse before my synapses in my brain learned that flinching is bad.
                              Yeah, my instructor hit me with a stick. A lot. Probably illegal these days?
                              But pain has a way of helping you remember things and learn a lot faster, LOL!


                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              as far as hesitating between blows....

                              I just knew that new guys did it all the time, and eventually I didn't. But I don't remember training to correct it. And when done well the style is circular, in that the techniques layer upon one another, so that hesitancy just goes away with repetition over years.
                              I trust my posts don't make anyone think that I'm trashing MMA or any fighter.
                              I am a fan of fightsports and respect all fighters-- at least to some degree.

                              For the sake of fairness, MMA suffers from the boxing mindset, where there
                              are a very limited number of tools and so competitors are forced into a kind of
                              paper/rock/scissors game where they are either swarming, defending, or trying
                              to minimax every attack.

                              Baguazhang, in contrast, has built in a fluid spiral of learning into the very fabric
                              of the way it teaches reality... As a semi-outsider, it really seems to me like it would be
                              impossible for any person of intelligence to study Bagua for any length of time
                              and not start flowing from one blow to another without hesitation?
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                                Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                                Baguazhang, in contrast, has built in a fluid spiral of learning into the very fabric
                                of the way it teaches reality... As a semi-outsider, it really seems to me like it would be
                                impossible for any person of intelligence to study Bagua for any length of time
                                and not start flowing from one blow to another without hesitation?
                                I've read that Bagua is the hardest martial art to learn, and almost nobody starts there. I know that nearly everyone that practices it, has no real knowledge of the real martial applications. It's like Tai Chi in that way..which I've never really practiced.

                                Instructors telling you to let your chi flow....relax.....feel the movement...Most instructors turn it into New Age dance....playing New Age music...teaching children a game. Lots of nonsense in the Internal Chinese Arts.

                                Goju Ryu has some Bagua in it, I think. I think Aikido is related in some ways. Spirals within spirals, ending with a Splat.

                                Shito-ryu doesn't rotate the hip?
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
                        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                        That's sort of a method they use to get rid of kidney stones - except they do use the torso.
                        Make you sign a form that warns you it might damage organs.
                        Sounds like one of those "natropathic" versions of real medicine again?

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                        • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                          Sounds like one of those "natropathic" versions of real medicine again?

                          ESWL
                          I don't know where she had the procedure.
                          I assumed a mainstream hospital, but I could be wrong.
                          That does sound like what she had, though.

                          I do know that when I was sixteen a guy I looked up to
                          because he was in his thirties, and because he was about 6'6",
                          was knocked flat by kidney stones and taken away by ambulance.

                          The woman who had the procedure is about 70 and barely 5', 95 lbs.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Yes,she single-handedly sold the Americans on women MMA fighters.
        Women have been accepted in MMA, and taken seriously, in most other
        countries for quite some time now.



        02:59 is hilarious
        She retired and started a family after reaching a record of 32-2-2...
        But I think she's fighting again.
        And fans have pointed out her competition tougher than Mayweather's
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        • Profile picture of the author st0nec0ld
          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          Women have been accepted in MMA, and taken seriously, in most other
          countries for quite some time now.

          MMA queen Satoko Shinashi - YouTube


          02:59 is hilarious
          She retired and started a family after reaching a record of 32-2-2...
          But I think she's fighting again.
          And fans have pointed out her competition tougher than Mayweather's
          Interesting. That's a fighter.
          I wonder how long will it take for her to knocked out her opponent, she's fast!
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I agree.

        Yes, she is a World Champion. Yes,she single-handedly sold the world on women MMA fighters. Yes, she paved the way for these girls headlining events.
        Indeed, she did! She's a phenom.


        But she sure isn't a good sportsperson. For some reason, she has to hate her opponent.

        I've noticed that when the men fight..once the fight is over, all that aggression is let out, and they almost always shake hands, and congratulate the winner.<snip>
        Brock Lesnar is a woman?! OMG!
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    Ronda looked worn down through the entire video clip.
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  • Profile picture of the author jm1791
    I didn't even watch the fight and I knew Ronda got outclassed right through. lol look at her face once semi pretty face
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, Rhonda was certainly NOT a sure thing to look at the two of them. It came down to luck and skill. Rhonda, as some of the comments said, WAS too arrogant. Such feelings tend to HURT luck and limit skill. HECK, it means you are more likely to encourage opponents to try harder, and others to match you higher.

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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    Rhonda was outmatched. She had her chin out and hands down by the end of the first round. Holm was toying with her food, ducking out from underneath punches, making her chase her around, almost forcing her to lose her balance multiple times. Every time Rhonda opened up a shot, Holm took it.

    The start of the second round, Rhonda looked winded still. A couple kicks to the leg to get her stumbling, then a kick to the face to lay her out.

    She was riding a bubble and Holm popped it. She will be back, though -- she's a champion. Just not the "once ever legend" type crap Joe Rogan was spewing. I could see in their eyes at the weigh in that Holm had it. Rhonda had a "look at me I'm rowdy" look and Holm had a "gimme my title already" glare.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geedan007
    I genuinely wished Mayweather had betted $1,000,000 for Holm to win!

    RR is beyond arrogant
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    • Profile picture of the author nbsdemo
      I thought Holly would win for several reasons.
      She pointed out that Ronda's other opponents "were defeated even before they got in the ring, and that she would not make that mistake".
      This reminds me of Ali's opponents.
      Also Ronda, as they say in boxing, believed all the hype. And I have never seen any defensive skills from her. She got cocky.
      Holly's trainer said the other day that they had studied Ronda like crazy "and found holes in her game".
      Ronda reminds me of boxers I have seen who knocked out their first 15 opponents. Watch what happens when they fight better fighters and have to go several rounds.
      I saw short clips of this fight in slow motion and they were very hard to watch. It was not even close. I for sure would fire that coach ( who filed for bankruptcy the other day) who said she could out box a 19 time world champion.
      I have a feeling Ronda would not want a rematch. She already is worth a fortune.
      If she does fight Holly again she must enact major readjustments to her style and I don't think she has the will or ability for that at this point.
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        Originally Posted by nbsdemo View Post

        And I have never seen any defensive skills from her.
        Yeah, she was being hit at will last night. Someone like Mayweather would have no problem with her.
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        • Profile picture of the author nbsdemo
          I bet Mayweather is laughing his #$%$ off right now.
          Humility young lady, hopefully you learned that lesson by looking at this fight in retrospect.
          Stop running your mouth, Karma is a B---ch.
          We will see if she learned anything from this.
          Holm dominated and RR didn't even look in shape, breathing hard after one round.
          Ronda's mother had a few choice words to say about her trainer a few weeks ago and they were all negative.
          She thought it was going to be an easy one round domination and overlooked a quality opponent.
          She has a ton of holes in her game and when/if she fights Holly Holm again, there is a lot of work to do to close those holes.
          Hopefully, much is learned from this experience and RR comes back a better person and a better fighter.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by nbsdemo View Post

            ... RR didn't even look in shape, breathing hard after one round.
            That's what I was getting at earlier, it looked like RR hadn't worked out in a year.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              That's what I was getting at earlier, it looked like RR hadn't worked out in a year.
              I noticed it too. It reminded me of the day Mike Tyson fought Buster Douglass. Tyson didn't train. He didn't think he needed to.

              RR learned a valuable lesson. But she's still a super star and can rebound from this.

              But you know, not acting like a 5 year old, would help too.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I noticed it too. It reminded me of the day Mike Tyson fought Buster Douglass. Tyson didn't train. He didn't think he needed to.

                RR learned a valuable lesson. But she's still a super star and can rebound from this.

                But you know, not acting like a 5 year old, would help too.




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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I noticed it too. It reminded me of the day Mike Tyson fought Buster Douglass. Tyson didn't train. He didn't think he needed to.

                RR learned a valuable lesson. But she's still a super star and can rebound from this.

                But you know, not acting like a 5 year old, would help too.
                It will be interesting to see if Rousey can rebound from this defeat. A big part of her mystique is she seemed invincible. That isn't true now.


                She also reminds me of Tyson in another way...they were/are both "bullies". They dominate their opponents until they face an opponent that is their equal and isn't intimidated, then they seem to panic a bit. Foreman vs Ali is another example.


                I'm not sure Rousey can ever beat Holm. If Holm wins a rematch, what's left of Rousey's mystique will be totally gone.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Usually over cockiness and arrogance doesn't translate to long term success

      Nothing wrong with being confident but she went waaay overboard.

      When you are arrogant in that manner it just provides that much fodder and motivation for your Opponents. Who want to kick the sh@t out of your butt

      Not smart imo

      Congrats to the Aussie, usually I root for my people but not in this case
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Because I like strategy, I hope there is a rematch.

    From the article TL posted about Holm's preparation:

    "Holm prepared for the fight with coaches Greg Jackson and Mike Winkeljohn, who are well known as being two of the best strategists in the entire sport, and it seems like they picked apart every one of Rousey's tendencies and it paid off in the Octagon."
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    They did such a good job they are now going to ban ladies fighting in OZ
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    she just got knocked the f*** out
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  • Profile picture of the author msanate
    IMO RR did not work out well. Did not had enough sleep. ( it could also be due to time different Australia ). She got exhausted in first round. Any ways congrat's to HH.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Kind of off topic, but HH reminds me of the first female to kick my butt. After she knocked me out she waited patiently and with concern for my well being as the team woke me up.

    Afterwards, I commented to he her that she was the first female and likely would not be the last that gained my respect for her fighting skills and compassion for other people.

    Hat off to HH.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    And this is where I pull a bit of a HeySal.

    Because I really don't trust Dana White.
    He really reminds me of Vince McMahon in far too many ways.

    And I've seen some of RR's comments on other issues.
    She can be very well-spoken, and her views on the world don't really
    match what we see of her when she's in Entertainment-Mode.

    So I can't help but wonder if she's just playing a Bobby Fischer type of heel.

    Once upon a time, chess tournaments were for rich people and obsessives.
    Then a young, attractive man who was very, very good came along.
    People were willing to pay to watch him play-- and he was willing to make them.
    But he gave it a show, of course, with his "Best by test..." and other sayings.

    The UFC has had a problem for decades now: Americans just don't take
    female fighters seriously. How many times have you heard your beer-buddies
    make some sexual comment about RR and other female fighters? Even
    other fighters I know talk about them sexually more than their ability.

    RR came along and, with careful marketing and by picking opponents,
    they made her look invincible. This is not to take away from her, she's
    a solid fighter, but there are-- and have been!-- many superior female fighters
    that just don't get the contracts.

    RR is very pretty, though, and... willing to play the heel?
    Willing to be the Bobby Fischer, the Stone Cold Steve Austin?

    Even thinking about this loss, I have to wonder, did Dana finally put her up
    against someone he knew was better, because she was about to take
    a long break from the UFC anyway, and he needed to transfer the
    hero worship (and the $$$!) to someone who would be around for the
    next couple of years?

    Think about how much hate people talk about RR, and how so
    many of them enjoyed watching her lose. It seems really convenient.

    When I watch-- and then rewatch-- videos like the weigh-in, and her
    bad behavior... I can't help wondering how much of it is actually just
    good acting?
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post


      Once upon a time, chess tournaments were for rich people and obsessives.
      Then a young, attractive man who was very, very good came along.
      Umm. Bobby Fischer was attractive? I have never heard that angle to his story. Lol
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Umm. Bobby Fischer was attractive? I have never heard that angle to his story. Lol
        "Charismatic" might be a better word?
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    • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
      I think UFC is expanding the bad girl aspects of her personality.
      (Rorion Gracie is credited with founding the UFC. I wonder how
      they all are getting along.) I agree that Dana White is taking after pro-wrestling a bit.

      The ref in the 2008 Olympics made her shake hands again at the end of her match.
      The first time was not visible enough. She was not like the other Judoka at
      weigh ins, loud and wearing pajamas:

      Meet the last woman to defeat Ronda Rousey

      I find it interesting that 6'0 Edith and RR were both in the 70kg (154 lbs. approx.) class in the Olympics.
      RR and Edith Bosch both won the Bronze medal in the 2008 Olympics. Masae Uemo of Japan won the Gold. Anaysi Hernández of Cuba won the Silver.

      Interesting, RR's Mom is a Judoka - the first American woman to win an Olympic Gold:



      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

      And this is where I pull a bit of a HeySal.

      Because I really don't trust Dana White.
      He really reminds me of Vince McMahon in far too many ways.

      And I've seen some of RR's comments on other issues.
      She can be very well-spoken, and her views on the world don't really
      match what we see of her when she's in Entertainment-Mode.

      So I can't help but wonder if she's just playing a Bobby Fischer type of heel.

      Once upon a time, chess tournaments were for rich people and obsessives.
      Then a young, attractive man who was very, very good came along.
      People were willing to pay to watch him play-- and he was willing to make them.
      But he gave it a show, of course, with his "Best by test..." and other sayings.

      The UFC has had a problem for decades now: Americans just don't take
      female fighters seriously. How many times have you heard your beer-buddies
      make some sexual comment about RR and other female fighters? Even
      other fighters I know talk about them sexually more than their ability.

      RR came along and, with careful marketing and by picking opponents,
      they made her look invincible. This is not to take away from her, she's
      a solid fighter, but there are-- and have been!-- many superior female fighters
      that just don't get the contracts.

      RR is very pretty, though, and... willing to play the heel?
      Willing to be the Bobby Fischer, the Stone Cold Steve Austin?

      Even thinking about this loss, I have to wonder, did Dana finally put her up
      against someone he knew was better, because she was about to take
      a long break from the UFC anyway, and he needed to transfer the
      hero worship (and the $$$!) to someone who would be around for the
      next couple of years?

      Think about how much hate people talk about RR, and how so
      many of them enjoyed watching her lose. It seems really convenient.

      When I watch-- and then rewatch-- videos like the weigh-in, and her
      bad behavior... I can't help wondering how much of it is actually just
      good acting?
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

      And this is where I pull a bit of a HeySal.

      Because I really don't trust Dana White.
      He really reminds me of Vince McMahon in far too many ways.

      And I've seen some of RR's comments on other issues.
      She can be very well-spoken, and her views on the world don't really
      match what we see of her when she's in Entertainment-Mode.

      So I can't help but wonder if she's just playing a Bobby Fischer type of heel.

      Once upon a time, chess tournaments were for rich people and obsessives.
      Then a young, attractive man who was very, very good came along.
      People were willing to pay to watch him play-- and he was willing to make them.
      But he gave it a show, of course, with his "Best by test..." and other sayings.

      The UFC has had a problem for decades now: Americans just don't take
      female fighters seriously. How many times have you heard your beer-buddies
      make some sexual comment about RR and other female fighters? Even
      other fighters I know talk about them sexually more than their ability.

      RR came along and, with careful marketing and by picking opponents,
      they made her look invincible. This is not to take away from her, she's
      a solid fighter, but there are-- and have been!-- many superior female fighters
      that just don't get the contracts.

      RR is very pretty, though, and... willing to play the heel?
      Willing to be the Bobby Fischer, the Stone Cold Steve Austin?

      Even thinking about this loss, I have to wonder, did Dana finally put her up
      against someone he knew was better, because she was about to take
      a long break from the UFC anyway, and he needed to transfer the
      hero worship (and the $$$!) to someone who would be around for the
      next couple of years?

      Think about how much hate people talk about RR, and how so
      many of them enjoyed watching her lose. It seems really convenient.

      When I watch-- and then rewatch-- videos like the weigh-in, and her
      bad behavior... I can't help wondering how much of it is actually just
      good acting?
      Yea, she sure has a lot of people hating her - as I think she knew she would with her bombastic style. Remember, the more people who hate you the more people will actually pay to see you get your butt kicked.

      Ali tells the story of a well dressed lady who came to all his fights. He noticed her after Ken Norton broke his jaw and asked her if she was one of his biggest fans because you come to all my fights.

      Her reply was something like...

      That's right and I'm going to keep on coming until they carry you out - bloody on a stretcher. And she added the comment that the devil won't always win.

      BTW, there were also a bunch of young teenage girls who also confronted him after that fight by chanting...

      "who's the prettiest? who's the greatest?"

      When he went to UK to fight Cooper the first time he had the whole country hating him in less than a few days.


      Anyways...

      If they fight again RR is going to have to employ a different strategy to get inside because Aussie girl has a much longer reach than RR and she seems to be just as strong as RR.

      It's may have to be something like Sugar Ray versus Hearns the first time around. Ray had to take a few shots in order to get close enough to tag Hearns or how about any of the Ali- Frazier fights?

      But the Aussie's kicks are just as deadly of even more deadly than her punches.

      I love to see a rematch.
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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Yea, she sure has a lot of people hating her - as I think she knew she would with her bombastic style. Remember, the more people who hate you the more people will actually pay to see you get your butt kicked.

        Ali tells the story of a well dressed lady who came to all his fights. He noticed her after Ken Norton broke his jaw and asked her if she was one of his biggest fans because you come to all my fights.

        Her reply was something like...

        That's right and I'm going to keep on coming until they carry you out - bloody on a stretcher. And she added the comment that the devil won't always win.

        BTW, there were also a bunch of young teenage girls who also confronted him after that fight by chanting...

        "who's the prettiest? who's the greatest?"

        When he went to UK to fight Cooper the first time he had the whole country hating him in less than a few days.


        Anyways...

        If they fight again RR is going to have to employ a different strategy to get inside because Aussie girl has a much longer reach than RR and she seems to be just as strong as RR.

        It's may have to be something like Sugar Ray versus Hearns the first time around. Ray had to take a few shots in order to get close enough to tag Hearns or how about any of the Ali- Frazier fights?

        But the Aussie's kicks are just as deadly of even more deadly than her punches.

        I love to see a rematch.
        Yep to most of that, but no HH has terrible kicks, in fact I would say they're the worst part of her skillset?
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    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    Ronda Rousey was knocked out in the second round by Holly Holm.


    This was a pretty big upset, but goes to show that in MMA anything can happen. So who had money on Holm?
    wow thanks for the news

    I hardly watch this stupid blood sport / violence

    enough on the news violence


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    Ronda Rousey Got So Beat Up She Can't Fight For Six Months

    Footage of her walking through airport with TMZ doing the questioning...
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    Is she trying to defect???

    What goes on??

    I thought she was an Aussie?


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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Is she trying to defect???

      What goes on??

      I thought she was an Aussie?


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      She's from New Mexico.
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        She's from New Mexico.

        Discrat/Robert lead me astray when he said this earlier in this thread...

        "Congrats to the Aussie, usually I root for my people but not in this case"
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          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          Discrat/Robert lead me astray when he said this earlier in this thread...

          "Congrats to the Aussie, usually I root for my people but not in this case"
          I had to double check myself. I think the fight being in Australia is what caused the confusion. That and Holly Holm not really being well known.
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      it was a big upset match in which ronda rousey knockout in second round by the holly holm
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      Thank you, kindly spammer... But posts in the OT forum don't
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