Man Killed By Rottweiler He Adopted Hours Earlier

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Man Killed By Rottweiler He Adopted Hours Earlier
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    A pit bull wouldn't have taken so long.

    Live and learn, or something like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Why in God's name would anyone adopt a dog without knowing if it was vaccinated or not ?
      Unreal.
      It sounds rabid
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Yes, in AU, Bunnnings has slacked off on their dogs in their store policy, (massive hardware) and a short while ago a little girl got chomped on the knee by a Pit Bull.

      The owner said, that the dog has never attacked, but that is a bit like saying my cat lives with a mouse, and has never eaten it.

      Play with fire, and take every precaution, at it is a matter of time before you get burned!

      I have to go there tomorrow, and will keep an eye out for any, feral, rabid pets!

      Certainly if a dog is going for my neck, l will grab the nearest thing, but if l am looking at furniture l may have to resort to children!


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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        es, in AU, Bunnnings has slacked off on their dogs in their store policy, (massive hardware) and a short while ago a little girl got chomped on the knee by a Pit

        The owner said, that the dog has never attacked, but that is a bit like saying my cat lives with a mouse, and has never eaten it.


        How DARE you insinuate in this Forum that a Pitbull could viciously attack someone without being mistreated by Owner . The nerve

        Prepare to suffer the consequences from our PETA animal lovers here
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Yes, in AU, Bunnnings has slacked off on their dogs in their store policy, (massive hardware) and a short while ago a little girl got chomped on the knee by a Pit Bull.

        The owner said, that the dog has never attacked,


        Pit bull owners always say that [insert deer in headlights facial expression].

        The problem with that mentality is it only takes a single pit bull attack to kill. They're not exactly timid poodles.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          "“It was a stray running at large, so we have no idea if the dog had been vaccinated or not,” she said."


          Missing the point entirely. Dog was a stray - outside - probably not socialized. You don't take a large unknown adult (and likely un-neutered) dog into your home without knowing the dog's temperament. A dog not used to being indoors could be aggressive quickly out of a fear response. Especially true if the dog had been mistreated - and with a stray there's no way to know that.


          In adoption groups - such a dog would be "fixed" - and would be evaluated for behavior, aggression, guarding tendencies, etc. before anyone would be allowed to take the dog into their home.


          Loving animals isn't enough to keep you safe - you need to understand them and their breed characteristics.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Pit bull owners always say that [insert deer in headlights facial expression].

            The problem with that mentality is it only takes a single pit bull attack to kill. They're not exactly timid poodles.
            Yes, the dog has the occasional frenzied, bloodbath cattle drive dinner and it tends to go into a rabid frenzy first and dry dog food later?

            Ok, maybe more like some parents who walk into a quiet coffee shop, with their baby, thinking she has been quiet all day, and l am sick of Maccers, or the creche from hell foodcourt, so will risk it!


            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            How DARE you insinuate in this Forum that a Pitbull could viciously attack someone without being mistreated by Owner . The nerve

            Prepare to suffer the consequences from our PETA animal lovers here
            Yes, you are right, just as long as there is a 3 year old closeby, l should be safe?


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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            "“It was a stray running at large, so we have no idea if the dog had been vaccinated or not,” she said."


            Missing the point entirely. Dog was a stray - outside - probably not socialized. You don't take a large unknown adult (and likely un-neutered) dog into your home without knowing the dog's temperament. A dog not used to being indoors could be aggressive quickly out of a fear response. Especially true if the dog had been mistreated - and with a stray there's no way to know that.


            In adoption groups - such a dog would be "fixed" - and would be evaluated for behavior, aggression, guarding tendencies, etc. before anyone would be allowed to take the dog into their home.


            Loving animals isn't enough to keep you safe - you need to understand them and their breed characteristics.
            Yeah, the idea of "fixing" is OVERDONE! This was either because of it use to the outdoors, previously abused, or SICK. YOU would act the SAME way under those conditions! A lot of WOMEN HAVE!

            And one sign of rabies IS this sort of thing, though I think they just tend to MAUL, if confined, this could happen.

            I hope the "shelter" gets their due. They should have kept the dog for a time, inspected it, given it shots, and tried to find the owner. Had they done that, this would likely NOT have happened! They SHOULD also note the temperament. breed, and the temperament common for the breed.

            BTW My aunt had a dog she had ALL HER LIFE and she loved. HE was fully intact, and you could tell when he was around dogs in heat. OH, he was insistent on checking them out, but she always had control, and they got along. It wasn't a small dog either.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Kay is right. If the dog had been abused, if the man accidentally did something that made the dog think he was going to be harmed again - you bet he'd attack.

    I bet he never declared dominance before he took the dog into his home, either. With an adult male, you don't know if you have an Alpha or aggressor - you put that dog on its back and stand with your hand on its abdomen for a few minutes before you take it out alone. If you have an untrained alpha or aggessor, you'll know it right then and there.

    Another possibility? Dog might have been fed gun powder and been crazy as hell - or perhaps crazy from something else.

    You take a stray adult dog with the power to kill you into your home - you better know that breed upside down and sideways - and you still have to be damned careful.

    BTW - that dog in the pic is not a full breed rot. Wonder if he escaped from a fight ring?
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Weird, sad story.

    "Anthony Riggs, 57, adopted the 5-year-old male Rottweiler from Jackson-Madison
    County Rabies Control"

    The man may have been thinking that the dog was "good to go" and; therefore, did
    not take adequate caution.

    I am very surprised that it was adopted out intact, and after only three days.

    I have never been to any shelter or governmental animal control facility that did not hold
    animals for a week or more before adopting out. I've never seen one that did not have
    the animals vaccinated, fixed (or at least scheduled to be fixed) and behaviorally tested
    before letting them be taken to the adopter's home.

    The most unusual thing I've ever seen at a shelter or animal control was a fox/dog hybrid.
    It did not look well, healthy, and domesticated. I was very surprised that they were even
    trying to adopt it out. It was in the Buena Vista, CO area animal control around 1998 or
    so. As far as I know, there is not a facility in Colorado that will even attempt to adopt
    out a wolf hybrid- maybe a wolf hybrid rescue group, but not a shelter or government agency.

    I think it's nature and nurture when it comes to dogs. My last dog would fight if he felt
    threatened, or if another dog tried to get dominate with him. Not a starter, but he would
    not take any guff - especially as he grew older (and the tumor in his nose was growing).
    As a result of his behavior, and my nature/nurture belief, I would walk the outside of the
    usual bark park and see what dogs and owners were inside before I would go inside.
    Avoid the troublesome dogs and/or owners, or the owners who did not have the strength to
    control their dogs.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Weird, sad story.

      "Anthony Riggs, 57, adopted the 5-year-old male Rottweiler from Jackson-Madison
      County Rabies Control"

      The man may have been thinking that the dog was "good to go" and; therefore, did
      not take adequate caution.

      I am very surprised that it was adopted out intact, and after only three days.

      I have never been to any shelter or governmental animal control facility that did not hold
      animals for a week or more before adopting out. I've never seen one that did not have
      the animals vaccinated, fixed (or at least scheduled to be fixed) and behaviorally tested
      before letting them be taken to the adopter's home.

      The most unusual thing I've ever seen at a shelter or animal control was a fox/dog hybrid.
      It did not look well, healthy, and domesticated. I was very surprised that they were even
      trying to adopt it out. It was in the Buena Vista, CO area animal control around 1998 or
      so. As far as I know, there is not a facility in Colorado that will even attempt to adopt
      out a wolf hybrid- maybe a wolf hybrid rescue group, but not a shelter or government agency.

      I think it's nature and nurture when it comes to dogs. My last dog would fight if he felt
      threatened, or if another dog tried to get dominate with him. Not a starter, but he would
      not take any guff - especially as he grew older (and the tumor in his nose was growing).
      As a result of his behavior, and my nature/nurture belief, I would walk the outside of the
      usual bark park and see what dogs and owners were inside before I would go inside.
      Avoid the troublesome dogs and/or owners, or the owners who did not have the strength to
      control their dogs.
      A fox hybrid would be a lot tamer and calmer dog than a wolf hybrid. People have to stop hybriding those wild dogs with domestic dogs. Dog's brains have morphed toward compatability with humans - a wolf's has not. They are all canine -- but each species has some very strong behavior patterns that are uniquely that breed's. A dog mixed with wolf is better off wild than tame.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    I'm not sure about that particular shelter, but I do know that around here, many of them
    have had their funding cut and often rely on donations to keep the doors open-- a very
    unreliable way to pay your bills!

    This makes "expediting" adoption more common than it should be in an effort to
    reduce the overcrowding, and attempt to address budget issues.

    And don't forget, even a perfect system must be maintained by imperfect humans.
    Sometimes we trust that someone can handle a situation, maybe they talk a good game,
    and seem to know what they're doing-- In reality, these kinds of articles give very
    little information on what really happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    One obvious, but overlooked, question is, why did he want a rottweiler in the first place?
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      One obvious, but overlooked, question is, why did he want a rottweiler in the first place?
      Apparently, the idea of getting a Rottweiler was gnawing on him for a while.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Registered Great Pyranees (mother) bred with 50/50 White German Shepard/Wolf -


        That's the bloodline of our Sandy - a sweet gentle giant who loves other dogs, cats, all people....who'd have thunk it?


        No one will ever know the 'trigger' for that rottie's aggression. It could have been as simple as leaning over the dog or trying to handle him physicaly far too soon, trying to play with him, or any of a dozen other things.


        We have one dog (Patches) in our shelter who will not be placed in a home. He's well cared for - gets walks (though only with knowledgeable volunteers) - but he will bite without warning and without apparent provocation. We don't know why he does it and it doesn't happen often - but we prevent it by limiting his interaction only to a few of us who can handle him without being harmed.


        He's not a dog we would ever put in someone's home but he gets play time, treats and affection, and will live out his life at the animal foundation.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      One obvious, but overlooked, question is, why did he want a rottweiler in the first place?
      Seriously? They're an awesome breed. Extremely intelligent, strong, sturdy - you can train them to do anything. My rotts have been enormous help in the field and they make great search and rescue animals. They can work as leader dog, field hand, search and rescue, mountain dog, guard. They can pull, carry, hold, find, herd, dig. They were bred to bring down meat on the hoof for the troops going from Rome to Germany - and in Germany they are used for all sorts of work. They are used to pull carts, herd, police. They can do everything but talk to you - and if they had vocal chords like ours, they'd do that, too.

      Not only that, to me, they are the cutest dog on the planet. I first saw them on the Omen and I didn't see a "devil dog" - I saw an over grown puppy. Did some research on them and decided they were right for me. I've had three papered and one mix and have never had a problem with them. Considering how many there are out there, the horror stories are very few.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Seriously? They're an awesome breed. Extremely intelligent, strong, sturdy - you can train them to do anything. My rotts have been enormous help in the field and they make great search and rescue animals. They can work as leader dog, field hand, search and rescue, mountain dog, guard. They can pull, carry, hold, find, herd, dig. They were bred to bring down meat on the hoof for the troops going from Rome to Germany - and in Germany they are used for all sorts of work. They are used to pull carts, herd, police. They can do everything but talk to you - and if they had vocal chords like ours, they'd do that, too.

        Not only that, to me, they are the cutest dog on the planet. I first saw them on the Omen and I didn't see a "devil dog" - I saw an over grown puppy. Did some research on them and decided they were right for me. I've had three papered and one mix and have never had a problem with them. Considering how many there are out there, the horror stories are very few.
        I raised that is because the reason most people who gets themselves a dog like that is purely because of their reputations.

        So the question stands, why did this guy buy that dog? I'll bet it wasn't for companionship.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          I raised that is because the reason most people who gets themselves a dog like that is purely because of their reputations.

          So the question stands, why did this guy buy that dog? I'll bet it wasn't for companionship.
          Only in America. In Germany, which has strict controls on dog breeding, rottweilers have no issues with aggression. Even schutzhund trained rotties in Germany don't have aggressive tendencies.


          And this is another reason to support quality breeders and not just shelter dogs. Quality breeders won't breed a dog with signs of aggression.


          Also, a rotty's nature isn't to attack, it's to hold. This dates back to the Romans using rotties to guard prisoners at night (and herd cattle during the day). Generally, a rotty will let someone in your back yard, but it won't let them leave.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Only in America. In Germany, which has strict controls on dog breeding, rottweilers have no issues with aggression. Even schutzhund trained rotties in Germany don't have aggressive tendencies.


            And this is another reason to support quality breeders and not just shelter dogs. Quality breeders won't breed a dog with signs of aggression.


            Also, a rotty's nature isn't to attack, it's to hold. This dates back to the Romans using rotties to guard prisoners at night (and herd cattle during the day). Generally, a rotty will let someone in your back yard, but it won't let them leave.
            That is seriously funny. I had a teenage neighborhood boy break into my house when I was gone once. Blitz didn't bark or growl because nobody was home to tell anything. The kid was sitting on my kitchen table when I got home - crying his eyes out. Mark and I scared the crap out of him before we let him go. I finally told him "look it, you're just too much hassle so I'm giving you 5 seconds to get out the front door, and after that, you'll be out running the dog". You've never seen a kid hit a door 30 feet away as fast as that kid did. I bet his feet only touched the floor twice between the table and the door in the next room. I'm betting he never broke into another house in his life.

            That was the only dog I've ever owned that I'd have no qualms about leaving a baby with alone. Even when little dogs would go at him and bite his ankles he wouldn't hurt them. He'd just put his paw on them and hold them down.

            Whatev - I know what you're saying. I've met the "my dog's soooo bad he could chew your dog/you up.......yack yack" type. I just tell them that my dog is so bad that he can save a human's life, and leave them standing there looking stupid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    There's too many variables and not enough info to make any assumptions on why the dog did what it did. It's sad that the man died trying to care for a dog that obviously had serious issues along with the physical ability to do serious damage.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      There's too many variables and not enough info to make any assumptions on why the dog did what it did. It's sad that the man died trying to care for a dog that obviously had serious issues along with the physical ability to do serious damage.

      Kurt; Whoever you are paying to write your intelligent posts, pay them extra. This was a particularly insightful stream of thought.



      I know you didn't write it, because it didn't start, "Duuuhhhh..."


      I thank intelligent posts....and yours.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        There's too many variables and not enough info to make any assumptions on why the dog did what it did. It's sad that the man died trying to care for a dog that obviously had serious issues along with the physical ability to do serious damage.
        Yes, my Mothers neighbours have a pitbull, and it used to tear down fences during new year eve fireworks, but it didn't attack.

        But, when l was trying to get it into an area til the neighbour got back, it would just plough through it.

        Loose wood was useless against it, steel seemed to be the only thing that stopped it.

        I tied it up with thick rope, it chewed through it.

        I suppose that is the issue with these breeds, when they become aggressive, then they are bloody hard to stop!

        Children or babys wouldn't stand a chance, but like a crocodile, the eyes might be your only defense?


        This is why Aussies didn't or don't domesticate Dingoes, the tendencies are always there. And the ones who are allowed to own them, carry on about how wonderful they are.

        Leave one in a room with a baby, and the risk is always there?

        Maybe nothing will happen, and if the circumstances go against you, then it might!


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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Yes, my Mothers neighbours have a pitbull, and it used to tear down fences during new year eve fireworks, but it didn't attack.

          But, when l was trying to get it into an area til the neighbour got back, it would just plough through it.

          Loose wood was useless against it, steel seemed to be the only thing that stopped it.

          I tied it up with thick rope, it chewed through it.

          I suppose that is the issue with these breeds, when they become aggressive, then they are bloody hard to stop!

          Children or babys wouldn't stand a chance, but like a crocodile, the eyes might be your only defense?


          This is why Aussies didn't or don't domesticate Dingoes, the tendencies are always there. And the ones who are allowed to own them, carry on about how wonderful they are.

          Leave one in a room with a baby, and the risk is always there?

          Maybe nothing will happen, and if the circumstances go against you, then it might!


          There's a number of reasons dogs can attack, other than aggression. Things like fear, sickness, injury/pain, lack of socialization, hunger, abused, and yes even breed. Any feral dog should be considered dangerous.


          As far as bite force, rotties have the highest of any breed. I only tied up my rotty once, when we were helping some friends move and I didn't want him getting in the way. I tied him with a 5/8 in rope. He didn't chew it to get loose. He bit it one time. It was like a pair of tin snips. I thought it would at least take him a minute of chewing and I would have a little time to react. Nope.


          The meanest dog I ever knew was actually a Lab. A combo of a natural bad temperament and poor owner. This dog killed at least 6-7 raccoons that the owner knew of and I wouldn't ever wanted to be alone with this dog.


          I've never known a friendly Chesapeake Bay retriever. I've been around 3 of them and none of them were friendly.


          And I wouldn't leave ANY dog, or for that matter cat, alone with a baby.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I was surprised by it, but my neighbor breeds and trains Chesapeake's to be
    service dogs. The kind that help people in wheel chairs. They open doors, retrieve
    things from the fridge... Just goes to show nothing is definite when it come to dogs.

    It's my understanding that the shelters here don't even try with wolf hybrids because they are very unpredictable and if the wolf is strong in the animal, it might only respond to one special alpha human, or just a few alpha humans. Also, the flight or fight response often triggers much faster in wolfs causing the dog part of the animal to get aggressive in response to the fear. Then you have the fact that most counties and cities don't allow wolf dogs.

    I saw one in boarding that looked pure wolf, huge jaws and teeth, and over 6 feet tall when fully stretched up to greet you with kisses. He tried to lick everybody to death and they said was never aggressive or wolfish at all towards humans or animals. I owned a dog that maybe had some wolf in her - a tiny bit - and she was a total Type C animal. Totally confused if a dog got aggressive towards her - I had to protect her if a dog ever charged her.

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  • Profile picture of the author bobsticles
    Sadly this is just some bad luck

    They check dogs to see if they are aggressive, im sure the shelter wont hand out teeth baring pitbull ferals..
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Those are the sort of pits I know (and own). Their expressive faces are really something - see that grin when the dog is running around the pool?

      I love happy endings!
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