All The Stores That Will Make Employees Work On The Holidays

8 years ago

Nasty old stores - how dare they have people work their jobs on a holiday.

Of course, working in a 24/7 business I worked holidays (almost all of them) for years. I expected it when I took the job and I could quit any time I wanted.

Of course, there are others having to work....doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel, caregovers in nursing homes, farmers with livestock to care for firefighters...and let's not forget the cops. Guess they should all have the day off, too?

Every year someone posts about the "bad bosses" that require people to work on a holiday. I've had Thanksgiving on Wednesday or Saturday - Christmas a week early or a week late. It's not the "day" that matters - it's the spirit and the people/family you spend it with. If you work in a casino - or a theater - or a restaurant - or a retail store....it's part of the job.

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Kurt

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Nasty old stores - how dare they have people work their jobs on a holiday.

Of course, working in a 24/7 business I worked holidays (almost all of them) for years. I expected it when I took the job and I could quit any time I wanted.

Of course, there are others having to work....doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel, caregovers in nursing homes, farmers with livestock to care for firefighters...and let's not forget the cops. Guess they should all have the day off, too?

Every year someone posts about the "bad bosses" that require people to work on a holiday. I've had Thanksgiving on Wednesday or Saturday - Christmas a week early or a week late. It's not the "day" that matters - it's the spirit and the people/family you spend it with. If you work in a casino - or a theater - or a restaurant - or a retail store....it's part of the job.

Nope. There are some occupations that are essential.

However, not all are and there was also a time not too long ago where stores were all closed on Thanksgiving. It would be kind of nice for businesses (and society) respected families like we used to.

I'm sure some people may want or need to work. The best solution IMO would be for management to see how many employees want to work and make the decision to be open based on this. There's really only two days out of the year (Christmas and Thanksgiving) when businesses have to show just a little bit of heart.

There's a marketing concept that seems to rarely get discussed, even on a marketing forum, and it's called "Internal Marketing". This is the concept of "marketing" to your employees and workers by treating them well. Happy workers that feel like they matter perform better. It's hard to care about a company that doesn't care about you.

Steve Wynn, the Las Vegas casino developer, understands internal marketing very well. When he built the Mirage, Cocomos was the premier restaurant in the resort. But, Wynn spent even more on the employees dining room than he did Cocomos. Employees love working for Wynn and there's a lot of benefits for having happy workers.

Wynn also added a bathroom by the cab line for taxi drivers. This may not sound like a big deal, but was greatly appreciated by cab drivers. Trust me.

Taking employee wants and needs into consideration can be a very good investment. Making someone potentially miss their last Thanksgiving dinner with Grandma doesn't create a lot of loyalty with their workers.

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Kay King 8 years ago

I also remember when stores and gas stations were closed on 2-3 holidays a year - though restaurants stayed open. If you needed to fill up with gas to continue a trip you were out of luck .

It was good for employees but in those days businesses were not competing with online 24/7 sites. How would it be if many of the online sites and stores went offline on the holidays? Most large consumer sites require employees to keep things running, provide customer service, etc.

I have seen a few stores here with signs announcing they will be closed for part of the holiday to allow employees family time.
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Midnight Oil

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

There's a marketing concept that seems to rarely get discussed, even on a marketing forum, and it's called "Internal Marketing". This is the concept of "marketing" to your employees and workers by treating them well. Happy workers that feel like they matter perform better. It's hard to care about a company that doesn't care about you.

Steve Wynn, the Las Vegas casino developer, understands internal marketing very well. When he built the Mirage, Cocomos was the premier restaurant in the resort. But, Wynn spent even more on the employees dining room than he did Cocomos. Employees love working for Wynn and there's a lot of benefits for having happy workers.

Wynn also added a bathroom by the cab line for taxi drivers. This may not sound like a big deal, but was greatly appreciated by cab drivers. Trust me.

Taking employee wants and needs into consideration can be a very good investment. Making someone potentially miss their last Thanksgiving dinner with Grandma doesn't create a lot of loyalty with their workers.

The restaurants in Wynn's operations are open Thanksgiving.

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Kurt

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

The restaurants in Wynn's operations are open Thanksgiving.

So? That wasn't my point with Wynn. My point was about internal marketing and Thanksgiving is an opportunity for businesses to show employees they care. Hopefully, that will clear up any confusion.

Also, if you read the article in the OP, the differences between very similar businesses being open or not are interesting. It's interesting how one retail chain can give their employees a day off and their competitors can't.

In addition, the article also points out that some businesses that make employees work, don't even let them trade shifts, which could help them be home for Thanksgiving dinner. Is it really that big of a deal to at least let employees have some flexibility in their work schedules for Thanksgiving? And can you tell me how Wynn properties deal with this?

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Midnight Oil

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

So? That wasn't my point with Wynn.

Are you sure? Because you certainly dangled him out there as an example of treating employees well and then tied it in with employers forcing folks to miss poor ol' Nana's last Thanksgiving dinner.

Originally Posted by Kurt

My point was about internal marketing and Thanksgiving is an opportunity for businesses to show employees they care. Hopefully, that will clear up any confusion.

I wasn't confused on your point. It just didn't track with reality, which is why I posted what I did.

Originally Posted by Kurt

Also, if you read the article in the OP, the differences between very similar businesses being open or not are interesting. It's interesting how one retail chain can give their employees a day off and their competitors can't.

I read the article, thanks, but the differences really aren't all that interesting. Some choose to remain open, some choose to close. Pretty simple.

What I do find interesting is the shifting scale of outrage. For example, so many will demonize businesses that don't fit their idea of how things should work on Thanksgiving, but then plop down on the sofa for a long afternoon of football.

Where's the outrage over the thousands of 99-percenters having to work hard to make that Thanksgiving football so enjoyable? Where's the outrage over them missing poor ol' Nana's last Thanksgiving dinner? Where's the outrage over them having to work so hard on Thanksgiving just to line the pockets of those mean ol' fat-cat businessmen?

I do find the hypocrisy interesting, yes.

Originally Posted by Kurt

Is it really that big of a deal to at least let employees have some flexibility in their work schedules for Thanksgiving?

It wasn't to me back in the day when I had responsibility for those schedules. I did my best to be flexible, but it didn't always work out. Some businesses just don't have enough people on staff to be that flexible.

Originally Posted by Kurt

And can you tell me how Wynn properties deal with this?

No, and I really don't care enough to research how they handle their scheduling. I already knew they were making the downtrodden miss Nana's last Thanksgiving dinner, and that was enough.

I actually do agree with your points about internal marketing, but just because a business is open on Thanksgiving doesn't mean such companies aren't treating their employees well or don't care about them.

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discrat

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Are you sure? Because you certainly dangled him out there as an example of treating employees well and then tied it in with employers forcing folks to miss poor ol' Nana's last Thanksgiving dinner.

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Where's the outrage over the thousands of 99-percenters having to work hard to make that Thanksgiving football so enjoyable? Where's the outrage over them missing poor ol' Nana's last Thanksgiving dinner? Where's the outrage over them having to work so hard on Thanksgiving just to line the pockets of those mean ol' fat-cat businessmen?

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

No, and I really don't care enough to research how they handle their scheduling. I already knew they were making the downtrodden miss Nana's last Thanksgiving dinner, and that was enough.

Who is this Nana and why is this her last Thanksgiving ??

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Princess Balestra 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Making someone potentially miss their last Thanksgiving dinner with Grandma doesn't create a lot of loyalty with their workers.

Holy Mother of God, Kurt - you sayin' there is sumthin' wrong with Grandma?
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Midnight Oil 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Guess they should all have the day off, too?

Let's not forget all of the football players, coaches, cheerleaders, referees, concessions workers, ticket takers, security personnel, clean up and maintenance crews, on air talent, film crews, producers, production departments, technical departments, reporters and the countless others working behind the scenes to make Thanksgiving Day football such a pleasure.
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ThomM

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Nasty old stores - how dare they have people work their jobs on a holiday.

Of course, working in a 24/7 business I worked holidays (almost all of them) for years. I expected it when I took the job and I could quit any time I wanted.

Of course, there are others having to work....doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel, caregovers in nursing homes, farmers with livestock to care for firefighters...and let's not forget the cops. Guess they should all have the day off, too?

Every year someone posts about the "bad bosses" that require people to work on a holiday. I've had Thanksgiving on Wednesday or Saturday - Christmas a week early or a week late. It's not the "day" that matters - it's the spirit and the people/family you spend it with. If you work in a casino - or a theater - or a restaurant - or a retail store....it's part of the job.

Many jobs I've had required working on holidays. When I was cooking Thanksgiving was a very busy day.
One you forgot above is convenient store workers and gas station attendants. Airports are all working and even some postal and delivery companies doing back end sorting and shipping. Taxi's, buses, and subways are all running also.
A lot more people work holidays then people realize.

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lanfear63 8 years ago

I'm going to make a stand and boycott the ones that are closed.
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- bizgrower 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lanfear63
  
  I'm going to make a stand and boycott the ones that are closed.
  
  I'll be closing then, Lan.
  
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  lanfear63 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bizgrower
  
  I'll be closing then, Lan.
  
  Curses I was going to stay the night and steal an ashtray
  
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  bizgrower 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lanfear63
  
  Curses I was going to stay the night and steal an ashtray
  
  I know you're really after the T. Swift pictures.
  
  (We don't have ashtrays. Really.)
  
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Kurt

8 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Many jobs I've had required working on holidays. When I was cooking Thanksgiving was a very busy day.
One you forgot above is convenient store workers and gas station attendants. Airports are all working and even some postal and delivery companies doing back end sorting and shipping. Taxi's, buses, and subways are all running also.
A lot more people work holidays then people realize.

Taxi drivers work Thanksgiving because they have a lease to pay and most are probably lucky to make a couple of dollars an hour. They can't afford to pay $100 to have the day off. I can tell you, it's the worst day of the year to work for cab drivers. Nobody goes anywhere on Thanksgiving. At least on Christmas people are in a generous mood.

I agree, many people do work on Thanksgiving. That's the point. IMO, as many as possible should be given the day off, or at least have management work with them to make their shifts as convenient as possible.

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Midnight Oil 8 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

A lot more people work holidays then people realize.

Yep. Let people's televisions, internet, Facebooks and Twitters go dark for the day so that the people driving them can have off and watch what happens.
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- sbucciarel Banned 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Midnight Oil
  
  Yep. Let people's televisions, internet, Facebooks and Twitters go dark for the day so that the people driving them can have off and watch what happens.
  
  I don't turn on my TV or use social media on most days, much less on Thanksgiving. Don't watch much TV actually and hate sports of all kinds.
  
  But I don't particularly care whether people work on Thanksgiving Day or not. Many people do, and some volunteer for it for higher pay on holidays. Some are essential services, a lot are because there are enough crazy assholes out shopping on Thanksgiving to make it worthwhile for stores to stay open.
  
  When I was a kid, stores were never open on Thanksgiving with the exception of a couple of convenience stores and most people didn't care or miss it. And the Christmas crap didn't begin until Thanksgiving was over. Now it starts way before Thanksgiving even gets here.
  
  The companies have what they want now. They've managed to commercialize Thanksgiving and begin Christmas season over a month earlier than before. All it does it turn me off .... I used to be a "Christmas Nut." No longer. I have gotten rid of the tree, the decorations and the gifts, except for the grandchildren. Our family gave up the gift giving to the adults, except within their own immediate families and it eliminates the financial stress of Christmas as well as all the mad dashing around to stores to buy all that crap.
  
  I don't miss Christmas, as I once celebrated it. It's much nicer now. I spend the time with my children and grandchildren and watch the kids open presents and have a family dinner and it's enjoyable.
  
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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

No big deal.

Obviously those employees didn't care about working holidays when they filled out a job application.

Those Radio Shack employees best be happy they didn't lose their jobs 15 years ago. Who shops at Radio Shack? The same goes for Kmart, last time I went in a Kmart it was a ghost town.

Continue on with todays internet witch hunt...

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Kurt

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

No big deal.

Obviously those employees didn't care about working holidays when they filled out a job application.

Continue on with todays internet witch hunt...

Sorry, there's no witch hunt, no need to be overly dramatic.

The article simply posted some major chains that are open and some that are closed. People can then pick and choose businesses they want to visit based on the facts, which is what's called "free market choices". Or, they can ignore the info altogether. They can also use the info to decide where they want to fill out an application.

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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Sorry, there's no witch hunt, no need to be overly dramatic.

The article simply posted some major chains that are open and some that are closed. People can then pick and choose businesses they want to visit based on the facts, which is what's called "free market choices". Or, they can ignore the info altogether.

Translation: Internet witch hunt.

Open businesses are evil, closed businesses are saints.

That's why the article exist, click bait.

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Kurt 8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Translation: Internet witch hunt.

Open businesses are evil, closed businesses are saints.

That's why the article exist, click bait.

Translation: Drama queen.

BTW, it's ironic that the one company discussed was K Mart being open on Thanksgiving and not giving employees even a choice at switching shifts with others. According to you, it's a "ghost town". How's that business decision working out for them?
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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

I get it.

They are nothing more than lowly employees. They are definitely not the straw that stirs the drink, that fuels the engines of capitalism, that make all things possible. In short, they're not bold, risk taking business people like us and deserve whatever they're handed.

And...

Some jobs do have to be worked on thanksgiving - which is understandable and some clearly do not.

BTW...

I remember right after the great recession hit and some companies were starting to hire again.

Many companies would not hire anyone who had lost a job due to/during the recession but hired only people who had jobs already - which is their business but IMHO was a most interesting development.

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

One of my daughter's is an emergency room nurse. She works Thanksgiving too. We have always had our Thanksgiving on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. She's off then and my other children go to their in-laws for Thanksgiving, thereby having two Thanksgiving dinners.

Because some companies pay extra for working the holidays, some employees who could care less about Thanksgiving volunteer to work them.

My first career was the restaurant business and I always worked holidays. I also married an executive chef and he was responsible for a huge Thanksgiving buffet every year.

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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

Black Friday by the numbers...

Black Friday By The Numbers - The Accounting Degree Review

Do some retail companies really need to be open 12-18 hours before Black Friday Morn?

After hype, Black Friday more 'bragging rights' than profits

Online revenue stats...

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...-black-friday/

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Kay King 8 years ago

If having holidays off is the most important thing for you - get a job that is closed on holidays. Work for the govt or state govt or in an insurance office or a bank. There ya go.

Steve Wynn is a great employer - and you have to BE the best to work for him. That's what many people miss when they read articles about companies that have flex time and all sorts of sweet bennies. It's not about being "nice" - it's about keep the BEST employees working for you and about attracting the BEST employees to join your business.

How many people will be working behind the scenes at google and twitter and facebook and all the other sites you'll visit on the holiday? Why not close down internet access for the day?

If you pay attention to the employee demands and complaints it's hard not to notice those complaining are usually not the best of employees. People demanding $15 to flip burgers expect to stay in that job rather than improve skills. I've worked with a LOT of people over the years and those who complained the most about days off and demanded perks were never the most productive employees. They usually weren't long term employees in the end, either.
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Midnight Oil

8 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Do some retail companies really need to be open 12-18 hours before Black Friday Morn?

I don't think so, but I don't disparage those who do. For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would want to get caught up in all of that, especially in 2015. I never shop in the wild anymore, Black Friday or not. I figure if I can't find it on Amazon or eBay or somewhere else online, I really don't need or want it like I thought I might.

I think the migration to online shopping will eventually lead to the demise of big box Black Friday anyway.

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Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

I don't think so, but I don't disparage those who do. For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would want to get caught up in all of that, especially in 2015. I never shop in the wild anymore, Black Friday or not. I figure if I can't find it on Amazon or eBay or somewhere else online, I really don't need or want it like I thought I might.

I think the migration to online shopping will eventually lead to the demise of big box Black Friday anyway.

I shop exclusively online for the grandkids. They all get a Toys R Us Gift Card that I order online and print at home and they get to spend it any way they want. Christmas shopping takes me 10 minutes.

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bizgrower

8 years ago

I can't stand the violence that occurs on Black Friday. Ludicrous. Over shopping, really?

You know what they should do is have coupons ready. If a fight is about to break out about an item,
store personnel should be able to offer a coupon for the same item at the same price.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by bizgrower

I can't stand the violence that occurs on Black Friday. Ludicrous. Over shopping, really?

You know what they should do is have coupons ready. If a fight is about to break out about an item,
store personnel should be able to offer a coupon for the same item at the same price.

Yes .... and all for a holiday that is allegedly based in religion and promotes, peace, love, charity ... stuff like that. The hypocrisy of what it has actually become is thick.

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bizgrower

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Yes .... and all for a holiday that is allegedly based in religion and promotes, peace, love, charity ... stuff like that. The hypocrisy of what it has actually become is thick.

I'd like to see a Jimmy Fallon (or whoever) man on the street interview where they ask people
the meaning of Christmas.

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sbucciarel Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I'd like to see a Jimmy Fallon (or whoever) man on the street interview where they ask people
the meaning of Christmas.

well, duh ... shopping of course! lol

It's the ugliest holiday of the year to me.
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alistair

8 years ago

I remember only about 20 or so years ago on Christmas day trawling round all the local petrol stations trying to find one that was open so I could fill my car up as I'd forgotten to do it. Eventually I found one which was open for the morning. The only other shops that might be open for a few hours that I remember were newsagents, I think you probably call them convenience stores over in America? The town center was like a ghost town, as it used to be on Sundays because everything was shut. Now Christmas day and Sundays are like any other day of the week, and I think it's a shame. I do know though that the newsagents next to where I used to work a couple years back said that Christmas day was one of their most profitable days of the year so I don't blame people for opening but still think it's a shame that there isn't just one day of the year when everything's shut and people who are lucky enough to have friends or family can maybe spend it together.

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bizgrower

8 years ago

We have become a 24/7 society. I get a lot of people expecting my
small hotel in a small mountain town to be fully staffed 24/7,
and the pool open 24 hours...

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Princess Balestra 8 years ago

Gonna shop 4 new heels armed with my old ones.
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HeySal

8 years ago

What baffles me is how many people actually choose to spend their holidays in a damned store in the first place. Shopping is the last thing I'd ever even think of doing on a holiday. I don't care what the damned sales are. Holidays are made for spending time with family and friends - doing outdoors stuff - eating, drinking, being merry - etc. etc. etc. I'm glad I don't have friends or family lame enough to want to "go shopping" for a holiday experience.

I love living in small towns where everything is closed up so tight on the holidays that you have a problem finding an open gas station for a pack of smokes. Plan ahead a day or two for cripes sakes.

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Kay King 8 years ago

I don't think the BF sales are ugly - just silly. I don't shop on those days but if people choose to do it, not my business. I don't think the prices are that great - and if you live with someone like the redhead in the picture above...you'd probably WANT her to go shopping just to have her gone for a while.

It wasn't retail stores that made the after-holiday sales a success - it was the people who showed up for it that have kept it going and made it grow. I'm surprised every year when I see people still doing that.
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HeySal

8 years ago

I also worked in tourism a lot of years - and of course, tourism is open on holidays. My late also worked in tourism. It became a tradition of mine to eat grilled cheese and tomato soup for dinner on thanksgiving because I was always working - then we'd have the actual T-day meal the next day we had off together. When living away from family and not able to get back, I also always took over that day for someone who really wanted to be with family.

Working holidays isn't the worst thing ever. I loved working New Year's Eve in tourism because you were part of the party - same with the 4th of July. Everywhere I worked, we got to see the fireworks - everything stopped for them for a half hour and guests/customers were all good with it and joined us. We made the holidays special at work in our own ways and got along just fine..........................

But I still can't imagine spending a holiday in a store. That's just unnecessary.

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