Women breastfeeding in public

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There is a big ruckus going on down here right now because a breastfeeding mom was kicked out of a chick-fil-a for breastfeeding in full view with no 'cover' apparently. SO there was some kind of a breast feeding sit-in at chik-fil-a today in protest. What is your take on this, should mothers breastfeed in public?

Personally, while i realize its a natural thing, I dont particularly want to see this while I eat. I think that if a woman just HAS to breastfeed, she can break out a pump at home, fill up a couple bottles and bring them with her.
  • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
    I think women should be able to feed their babies wherever they want to. However, common courtesy is to cover up with a blanket, or go in a private area. I completely understand people not wanting to see it in full view.

    As for filling up bottles, there is sometimes nipple confusion and some mothers do not use pumps and bottles (this can cause a lot of problems with breastfeeding, and the baby's latch). I did not use bottles, and don't believe that's the solution for mothers who breastfeed

    Just grab a blanket, and most people won't even look at you. And if they do, oh well.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Jenn Dize View Post

      However, common courtesy is to cover up with a blanket, or go in a private area.
      Bingo. Make an effort; I understand when it's not easy, and conditions aren't ideal, but do what you can. Just like when you change out of your swimsuit at the beach, you get family members to hold a towel for you. It's not because I think it's some sort of sexual thing; it's not a sexual thing when your ten year old daughter changes out of her swimsuit, either. It's simple modesty. Have some class.

      And so long as you make some effort to be discreet, I believe you should be able to feed your baby anywhere and anytime your baby needs to be fed. If you can't be discreet - circumstances do get in the way sometimes - just have the courtesy to be embarrassed and make an apology.

      And if you think it's gross or obscene to breast-feed a child, go to hell.
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  • Profile picture of the author LynnM
    Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

    I think that if a woman just HAS to breastfeed, she can break out a pump at home, fill up a couple bottles and bring them with her.
    I may have picked up the intonation wrongly in that remark, but really...If she just HAS to breastfeed?! She's not doing it just to be awkward. She's doing it because her baby is hungry and needs fed. And why should a baby fed as nature intended have to suddenly take it out of a bottle? "Breaking out a pump at home" isn't quite as easy as filling a bottle from a tap or faucet as you seem to think it is. It's damn hard to even get out of the house with a baby and paraphernalia as it is, without spending half the morning attempting to use a breast pump first. Assuming you get a minute to use it.

    Of course, as Jenn pointed out, it is polite to cover up a little if you're breastfeeding as we live in a society that frowns upon flashing certain parts of ourself. And some people are uncomfortable seeing it (although they seem to have little trouble ogling women in low-cut tops). But come on! Breastfeeding is a natural act. To be blunt, it's what women have boobs for. When are we going to start acknowledging that it's natural and stop treating feeding mothers as pariahs?

    Sorry about the rant!

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      I think it's fine. As Lynn says, it's natural. In fact I think women should be able to go topless anywhere a man is able to. Heck, many guys now days have bigger boobs than some women because of obesity.
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      • Profile picture of the author Crystal brian
        Breastfeeding is a natural biological function, but is there a time and a place for it? Nearly 75 percent of American mothers breastfeed their babies, but the issue of nursing in public remains controversial, as it raises the difficult question of how much exposure is too much. Babies get hungry even in public places, so what's a mother to do?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Noel
      It's the most natural behaviour that us humans seem to be able to do. Breast milk from its mother is the best possible thing for the baby. Supplying the baby with all the nutrients it needs.
      However in public the woman should cover up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by LynnM View Post

      I may have picked up the intonation wrongly in that remark, but really...If she just HAS to breastfeed?! She's not doing it just to be awkward. She's doing it because her baby is hungry and needs fed. And why should a baby fed as nature intended have to suddenly take it out of a bottle? "Breaking out a pump at home" isn't quite as easy as filling a bottle from a tap or faucet as you seem to think it is. It's damn hard to even get out of the house with a baby and paraphernalia as it is, without spending half the morning attempting to use a breast pump first. Assuming you get a minute to use it.

      Of course, as Jenn pointed out, it is polite to cover up a little if you're breastfeeding as we live in a society that frowns upon flashing certain parts of ourself. And some people are uncomfortable seeing it (although they seem to have little trouble ogling women in low-cut tops). But come on! Breastfeeding is a natural act. To be blunt, it's what women have boobs for. When are we going to start acknowledging that it's natural and stop treating feeding mothers as pariahs?

      Sorry about the rant!

      Lynn
      I mean 'if she has to breastfeed' as in, 'if thats the way she has decided to feed her child'. Mothers dont HAVE to breast feed, its a choice. And thats fine. And i realize its a natural thing. But there are a lot of natural things i dont partiularly want to experience when I'm eating.

      The child must be changed, and THAT'S natural too. So when the local fast food joint gets to enjoy your child's diaper full of butt demons because its changing time should everyone just 'get over it' as well?

      The problem with the women in this issue is that the women apparently dont think they should have to cover up. someone had suggested that she cover up with a napkin and thats what has these ladies noses out of joint
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Davis
    I have to agree with Jenn. I too never used a bottle and did breastfeed wherever I was. I was also respectful of others and covered up. Some people don't mind seeing and some people do. Be polite and cover up. There are a lot of things that are natural but we don't do them in front of people. Discreet comes to mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    No offense Micheal, but I think you are WAY off the mark with your comments.

    First you say "I think that if a woman just HAS to breastfeed, she can break out a pump at home, fill up a couple bottles and bring them with her."

    You come across as saying "it's her fault for making a poor choice" AND you make it sound like pumping breast milk is as easy as pumping gas. I know you didn't mean it that way, but it seemed to have that tone.

    Then you say in defense of those comments, "Mothers dont HAVE to breast feed, its a choice." I disagree. Breastfeeding is natural, NOT doing it is a choice. However, my wife tried and just couldn't do it. So I am grateful that other options exist.

    As far as not wanting to see "that" while you eat...You have no business looking in the first place.

    I agree that being discreet is polite, but not covering up shouldn't be grounds for getting kicked out of anywhere.

    All the best,
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    p.s. My apologies to all of the ladies here. I am only speaking from a male perspective and know that I can;t understand the issue fully - just sharing my take on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      No offense Micheal, but I think you are WAY off the mark with your comments.

      First you say "I think that if a woman just HAS to breastfeed, she can break out a pump at home, fill up a couple bottles and bring them with her."

      You come across as saying "it's her fault for making a poor choice" AND you make it sound like pumping breast milk is as easy as pumping gas. I know you didn't mean it that way, but it seemed to have that tone.

      Then you say in defense of those comments, "Mothers dont HAVE to breast feed, its a choice." I disagree. Breastfeeding is natural, NOT doing it is a choice. However, my wife tried and just couldn't do it. So I am grateful that other options exist.
      You can disagree if you like, that still doesnt change the fact that women dont HAVE to breastfeed. There are other options to feed children. And if women MAKE THE CHOICE to breastfeed, thats fine, nothing wrong with that, but its a choice, not a requirement.
      As far as not wanting to see "that" while you eat...You have no business looking in the first place.
      If i'm eating dinner in a public place, you have no business telling me where I can and can't look.
      I agree that being discreet is polite, but not covering up shouldn't be grounds for getting kicked out of anywhere.

      All the best,
      Michael

      p.s. My apologies to all of the ladies here. I am only speaking from a male perspective and know that I can;t understand the issue fully - just sharing my take on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author barbling
        Sexualizing a natural function - my gosh, it's yet another reason why our society is just plain screwed up.

        I breastfed in public with no problems and chose to be discrete about it. Nobody complained.

        The fact that our society makes a big deal about a natural function is truly horrendous.

        However, I cannot control society...I can only control my REACTIONs to society. And since I have yet to achieve world-domination, I choose to function within society by being discrete (chose, that is, as that was 6 years ago for me).
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by barbling View Post

          Sexualizing a natural function - my gosh, it's yet another reason why our society is just plain screwed up.
          You speak as though sex and sexuality aren't natural.

          Men are sexual creatures, and always have been. Everything is sexual to us. But we should still be able to control our impulses.

          Yeah, yeah, I know... that's what she said!
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            You speak as though sex and sexuality aren't natural.

            Men are sexual creatures, and always have been. Everything is sexual to us. But we should still be able to control our impulses.

            Yeah, yeah, I know... that's what she said!
            Yes they are natural - but there is something a bit perverse about relating every natural function to sexuality - and that was what Barb was saying.

            Feeding a child should not be seen as indecent - it is because a covered part of the body is used for the function.

            However - I don't feel that most people are sexualizing it, Barb. I just think that there are cultural taboos against publicly showing certain body parts, and as natural as breast-feeding may be, it can make many very uncomfortable to see people exposing those parts to public view in certain places - baby or no.

            What I find interesting is the nature of the comments about it. Suppose some woman were at that same location and just lifted her shirt to flash people in a flippant sexual gesture? I'm thinking both reactions and comments would be quite different.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by barbling View Post

          Sexualizing a natural function - my gosh, it's yet another reason why our society is just plain screwed up.

          I breastfed in public with no problems and chose to be discrete about it. Nobody complained.

          The fact that our society makes a big deal about a natural function is truly horrendous.

          However, I cannot control society...I can only control my REACTIONs to society. And since I have yet to achieve world-domination, I choose to function within society by being discrete (chose, that is, as that was 6 years ago for me).

          If you're discrete about it, GREAT! Hey, some women don't like that they have to have tops on bathing suits, but that is just the culture, and most cultures accept that. It shouldn't be too much to ask, as they can be skimpy, and some women may appreciate the support, etc...

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    • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
      I think it's fine.

      I also think it's better for the baby.

      Maybe making women feel more comfortable to breastfeed in public without shame will encourage more to do it.

      Just like the 400 pound man in the speedo - if I don't want to see it, I'll turn my head.
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  • Profile picture of the author TommyBoy
    Chick-fil-a is so religious they close on Sundays. To them a breast is the devil's work.

    Then again 8 is a little too old. I mean will that girl being breast feeding at 12? 14? Even at 8 it is socially unacceptable. I was a horny little boy at 8, I don't think food was on my mind when I looked at breasts in playboy.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

    There is a big ruckus going on down here right now because a breastfeeding mom was kicked out of a chick-fil-a for breastfeeding in full view with no 'cover' apparently. SO there was some kind of a breast feeding sit-in at chik-fil-a today in protest. What is your take on this, should mothers breastfeed in public?

    Personally, while i realize its a natural thing, I dont particularly want to see this while I eat. I think that if a woman just HAS to breastfeed, she can break out a pump at home, fill up a couple bottles and bring them with her.
    There is NO reason to do it out in the open uncovered. Frankly, Some just AREN'T that attractive, so if they think they want to get some attention from men, they are probably misleading themselves. And kids are kept somewhat naive, etc... and you want THEM to behave in society, so the "nursing" mothers should respect that.

    As for chick-fil-a? It is THEIR right and they are a business, which means they should respect the majority of their CUSTOMERS wishes. Hey, HOOTERS loses some business because they do that, but that is their gimic, and it GETS them some business. They ALSO probably don't hire just ANYONE.

    So it is just WRONG, pure and simple. Magazines that show breasts are often hidden and otherwise WRAPPED. Movies that show such things are only starting to be on public broadcasts and THEN often at night. It has been a part of the culture for DECADES.

    If they want to breastfeed, it should be DISCRETE! And some workplaces and the like even have NURSING ROOMS where they can do it uncovered and maybe even without ANY top, if they want.

    It is ironic that they claim to be mothers and want to be holier than though about it, but don't respect OTHER mother's wishes and want to change society in some way.

    While I am at it, the SAME goes for changing the child. Isn't it ENOUGH when the child sometimes broadcasts it for everyone to know?

    And NO, I am not one that runs around screaming, complains, etc... HECK, I am a straight male, and appreciate that as any other straight male does. But MOST people I have seen do this ARE discrete or DO use nursing rooms. And HEY, you don't want to see naked kids running around either. You really have to wonder about people that want to protest for it. It is like OK, let's just unwrap the playboys, and have LOTS of pictures of breasts showing from whereever. Would they like THAT!? They probably look better than some of the protesters anyway!

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  • Profile picture of the author Pokerlover
    I would not agree.. Babies are too sensitive with bacterias.. I think breastfeeding in public is not sanitary.. It's not that a lot of people can see what you bare your breasts but the thing is it would be better to choose where you breastfeed.. If you do it in public, make sure you have something to cover your breasts for sanitary purposes..
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      This isn't about "breast feeding" - it's about courtesy and respect for others in a public place.

      Our society has defined limits of what is acceptable public behavior. Breast feed is a normal human function - but revealing the breast in public is not in keeping with our society's awe and worship of that lump of flesh and glands.

      I get tired of idiots who feel they have "make a statement" with something so elementary as breast feeding. The woman is rude with no concern for others and I see nothing to stand up for here. It's not all about what SHE wants - or at least shouldn't be.

      As for "you don't have to look" - come on. If I'm in a public eating establishment there shouldn't be anything in view that is uncomfortable for any paying customer there....or their grandmother....or their own young child.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        This isn't about "breast feeding" - it's about courtesy and respect for others in a public place.

        Our society has defined limits of what is acceptable public behavior. Breast feed is a normal human function - but revealing the breast in public is not in keeping with our society's awe and worship of that lump of flesh and glands.

        I get tired of idiots who feel they have "make a statement" with something so elementary as breast feeding. The woman is rude with no concern for others and I see nothing to stand up for here. It's not all about what SHE wants - or at least shouldn't be.

        As for "you don't have to look" - come on. If I'm in a public eating establishment there shouldn't be anything in view that is uncomfortable for any paying customer there....or their grandmother....or their own young child.

        kay
        Adding to what Kay King said,

        And you CAN'T avoid looking unless you have ALREADY seen it. ALSO, if you think KIDS won't look, YOUR DREAMING! THAT is part of the problem.

        Hey, I am OK with women breastfeeding their child. It is ALSO OK if I happen to see a nipple. But people should be DISCRETE! There is no legitimate reason to be otherwise.

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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
    I really don't see the issue with it. It's a natural thing that needs to happen if breast feeding a baby. Most women are discreet anyway.
    However I remember there was a huge local story after a person complained about a women breastfeeding on a city bench. Not only did this person complain but they called the police. The police officer took her to the station and wanted to charge her with indecent exposure. The station sergeant told the officer he'd made a mistake and to release the women.
    Was all rather stupid!

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  • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
    I was a nursing mother with four kids. I always covered up, or breast fed in private situations ( ie: couch in women's bathroom ). IMHO people who are uncomfortable with a woman feeding her child naturally are hung up about their own sexuality or are stuck in the mindset that "poor" women breast feed their babies, and that it's a sign of poverty, ignorance, 3rd world. What's so funny, is that many times, I find that those same people who are uncomfortable with breast feeding are ok with porn. Like Sal said, there are cultural taboos which are deeply rooted into the history of the US.

    Personally, if the baby's hungry--feed the child!

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  • Profile picture of the author jgand
    I realize that sometimes its necessary for women to breastfeed in public, I just think people get hung up on having kids see women breast feeding in public.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by jgand View Post

      I realize that sometimes its necessary for women to breastfeed in public, I just think people get hung up on having kids see women breast feeding in public.
      What about a man urinating in a public park in front of a girl fully exposed? I mean it is GENERALLY done relatively discretely. They even show it on TV in the middle of the day, and you don't even know if they are really doing ANYTHING! MOST women that breastfeed do things JUST as discretely. But what if a man WEREN'T as discrete? Somehow, I think EVERYONE here would say WHY ISN'T he more discrete!?!?!?

      Likewise, it is the same with women! WHY NOT be discrete? If it is discrete, people should allow it. If it ISN'T, why should they allow it?

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        What about a man urinating in a public park in front of a girl fully exposed? I mean it is GENERALLY done relatively discretely. They even show it on TV in the middle of the day, and you don't even know if they are really doing ANYTHING! MOST women that breastfeed do things JUST as discretely. But what if a man WEREN'T as discrete? Somehow, I think EVERYONE here would say WHY ISN'T he more discrete!?!?!?

        Likewise, it is the same with women! WHY NOT be discrete? If it is discrete, people should allow it. If it ISN'T, why should they allow it?

        Steve
        You are comparing apples to oranges and you know it.

        The difference is that the adult man can find a restroom, or hold it in until he finds one. While an INFANT has to eat now.

        I know you're smart enough to see the difference.

        I agree that being discrete is the best course of action, but if it's just not possible, then tough.

        All the best,
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          You are comparing apples to oranges and you know it.

          The difference is that the adult man can find a restroom, or hold it in until he finds one. While an INFANT has to eat now.

          I know you're smart enough to see the difference.

          I agree that being discrete is the best course of action, but if it's just not possible, then tough.

          All the best,
          Michael
          A person has to GO now! A nursing mother can be more discrete, or find a nursing room. I know you're smart enough to see the similarity!

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          • Profile picture of the author LynnM
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            A person has to GO now! A nursing mother can be more discrete, or find a nursing room. I know you're smart enough to see the similarity!

            Steve
            Adults are well aware of the need to urinate and in most cases have plenty of time to plan where to go and do it. A baby, unless you hadn't noticed, has no way of telling the mother in advance of its needs.

            What about a man urinating in a public park in front of a girl fully exposed? I mean it is GENERALLY done relatively discretely.
            In these parts, an adult urinating in a public place is committing a criminal offence.


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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by LynnM View Post

              Adults are well aware of the need to urinate and in most cases have plenty of time to plan where to go and do it. A baby, unless you hadn't noticed, has no way of telling the mother in advance of its needs.



              In these parts, an adult urinating in a public place is committing a criminal offence.


              Lynn
              Well, a baby certainly doesn't have to eat the split second it feels like it. If it did, and it survived long enough, the mother would be a dead duck ANYWAY! Yeah, urinating in public is discouraged here ALSO, as is indecent exposure, like flashing breasts. What's your point?

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              • Profile picture of the author LynnM
                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                Well, a baby certainly doesn't have to eat the split second it feels like it.
                No, it doesn't have to eat straight away. It can be left to scream for it, in the process upsetting even more people than would be upset at seeing it breastfed.
                If it did, and it survived long enough, the mother would be a dead duck ANYWAY!
                Huh? Sorry, you're going to have to explain that bit to me, preferably without excess use of capital letters.
                Yeah, urinating in public is discouraged here ALSO, as is indecent exposure, like flashing breasts. What's your point?

                Steve
                My point is that breastfeeding a baby is not indecent exposure; urinating in public is. You compared them as like for like.


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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by LynnM View Post

                  No, it doesn't have to eat straight away. It can be left to scream for it, in the process upsetting even more people than would be upset at seeing it
                  breastfed.
                  And the same with seeing someone pee in their pants!

                  Huh? Sorry, you're going to have to explain that bit to me, preferably without excess use of capital letters.
                  OK, babies don't have teeth, and might back off from their much bigger mothers, but STILL. If you HAVE to eat. Of course, as you said, they DON'T!

                  My point is that breastfeeding a baby is not indecent exposure; urinating in public is. You compared them as like for like.
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                  It IS if you make a POINT about it, and are obvious. OK, let's say the boy just whipped out his penis, to make the point, and started asking people all around where the bathroom was. THAT is technically NO more illegal than a woman exposing her breast and telling people she has to feed her child.

                  All I am saying is be DISCRETE!

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                  • Profile picture of the author LynnM
                    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                    All I am saying is be DISCRETE!

                    Steve
                    Virtually every poster to this thread, including myself, has agreed with the premise that breastfeeding is better done discreetly. But most have done it without rudeness, shouting or ignorant remarks.


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                    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                      Originally Posted by LynnM View Post

                      Virtually every poster to this thread, including myself, has agreed with the premise that breastfeeding is better done discreetly. But most have done it without rudeness, shouting or ignorant remarks.


                      Lynn
                      I haven't shouted. I emphasize. I do that EVERYWHERE! Ask anyone here! Ignorant remarks? Rudeness? OK, maybe you see my examples, and illustrations that way, but have I REALLY said any such thing, outside of my first statement about people protesting chick-fil-a, or however it is spelled, of course? That was MEANT to be insulting. But I don't think it was targeted at anyone here.

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                      • Profile picture of the author LynnM
                        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                        I haven't shouted. I emphasize. I do that EVERYWHERE!

                        Steve
                        My apologies - I mistook your emphasising for shouting.


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                      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                        People consider it the same. It comes across as yelling or shouting. I tried to tell you that before.
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                        I haven't shouted. I emphasize.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                          Steve has been around the WF for a long time and he's much more moderate in his comments than he used to be. That said, you have to deal with various personalities here and learn to read what is said instead of focusing on how it's worded.

                          Your view of what someone else "is saying" may be due less to their words than your own intolerance. Food for thought.

                          You can debate ideas and actions - but you don't get to decide how someone else is allowed to express himself. Thank goodness as we'd have a vanilla forum if that could be done.

                          The entire issue is about a young woman who flopped her boob out in public and grew angry when asked in a polite and reasonable way to cover up a bit. She wasn't asked to stop feeding or to move nor was she treated rudely. Just another member of the "it's all about me" generation.

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                          • Profile picture of the author dave830
                            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                            The entire issue is about a young woman who flopped her boob out in public and grew angry when asked in a polite and reasonable way to cover up a bit. She wasn't asked to stop feeding or to move nor was she treated rudely. Just another member of the "it's all about me" generation.
                            You nailed it on the head here Kay.

                            No one was discriminating against new moms, and certainly not trying to keep infants from eating!

                            It's about a simple request for discretion. Not judging anything.

                            We've got three kids under 3, including 1 year old twins, so my wife is ACUTELY aware of this type of situation.

                            And being modest, out of respect for those around you, and the desire to not "flop your boob" for an entire restaurant to see is not that difficult. According to my wife- "who goes out with a young child and doesn't bring a blanket? This mother is NOT a victim." Her words, not mine.

                            Interesting Chick Fil A's reaction to the protest the next day, they provide free lunch for everyone participating.
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                        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                          People consider it the same. It comes across as yelling or shouting. I tried to tell you that before.
                          You weren't the first. You probably won't be the last. There are so many things to consider and old habits die hard! Oh boy, there go the movies again. I LOVE die hard! 8-)

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                    • Profile picture of the author pedro28
                      What's wrong with breastfeeding a baby in a public. For a woman, can you stand up babies crying out loud cause mom can't give her a milk. Though, It's mom to know also what they're doing, they have do something that can't be visible or go to the private area around you then.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    Breastfeeding mothers / Men urinating in public places?

    Somebodies going to have to draw me a picture showing the relation here.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

      Breastfeeding mothers / Men urinating in public places?

      Somebodies going to have to draw me a picture showing the relation here.
      BOTH talk about acts that aren't necessarily hidden, etc... but done DISCRETELY. EITHER one done openly would elicit a response that isn't favorable. HEY, it was the closest connection I could make, other than a woman going plain TOPLESS.

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  • Profile picture of the author TeddyP
    I don't care if a woman wants to breastfeed their child in public - have at it. I have seen it dozens of times and had no problem not looking at it. It wasn't even shocking to me.

    Are we 12 here were we giggle at the site of a breast? I think I stopped doing that around the same time I stopped giggling at terms like "titmouse".

    I have no problems or hang up with it, I have no problems with kids seeing it, I have no problems with it at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    I have no problems with it... Tending to a baby doesn't always go as planned. Mom's can breast feed them or change them in front of me anyplace and anytime and it wouldn't bother me a bit. Dad's can too (changing!).

    I have a 3 year old... sometimes we have to pull over to the side of the road and take him behind a tree to take a leak... sometimes people see us... that's life.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I really don't see the issue with it. It's a natural thing that needs to happen if breast feeding a baby. Most women are discreet anyway.
      Most women are - but this woman wasn't discreet. That was the problem.

      Of course the baby (6 months old) must eat - and the woman should not be relegated to a dirty restroom to feed her child. Is it asking too much that she be "discreet" and cover as much of her exposed breast as possible?

      The 27 yr old mother's statement was:

      "The manager came up and introduced herself and told me she believed in what I was doing, but asked me if I could cover up cause there were children around."
      The restaurant manager handed her a restaurant towel to cover herself. The young woman assumed she was being asked to cover the baby's head,and said she was humiliated. She then asked people sitting in the restaurant if they were bothered by her breastfeeding - think that made them uncomfortable?

      I was with my daughter-in-law many places as she breastfed my grandson - and she flipped a cloth diaper over her shoulder, settled him in comfortably -his head wasn't covered but she was.

      I find it hard to buy the "this is natural" argument from women who then use tons of pampers to clog the landfills rather than wash a dirty diaper.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

      I have no problems with it... Tending to a baby doesn't always go as planned. Mom's can breast feed them or change them in front of me anyplace and anytime and it wouldn't bother me a bit. Dad's can too (changing!).

      I have a 3 year old... sometimes we have to pull over to the side of the road and take him behind a tree to take a leak... sometimes people see us... that's life.

      STILL, I bet he is discrete! Can people tell if he is "cut"? Can people EVEN tell if he is looking at a family of squirrels or urinating?

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    or are stuck in the mindset that "poor" women breast feed their babies, and that it's a sign of poverty, ignorance, 3rd world.
    Actually that's a pretty good point, Dot. It wasn't too long ago that the upper crust women didn't breast feed - in fact many of them didn't do much mothering at all. While things are changing toward a more natural attitude about the health of breastfeeding, anyone who still has the lingering attitude that breastfeeding is a necessity of the poor is going to find disgust with the practice. Especially in today's society in which people are often measured by the amount of status symbols they flash.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Actually that's a pretty good point, Dot. It wasn't too long ago that the upper crust women didn't breast feed - in fact many of them didn't do much mothering at all. While things are changing toward a more natural attitude about the health of breastfeeding, anyone who still has the lingering attitude that breastfeeding is a necessity of the poor is going to find disgust with the practice. Especially in today's society in which people are often measured by the amount of status symbols they flash.
      Yeah, anyone so poor and stupid as to find breastfeeding a NECESSITY is frankly to stupid and poor to have a child. Some may find disgust with such a feeling and think I am stupid, ignorant, and heartless towards the parents. NOPE! I am being compassionate and smart about the KID! Think about the KID! When you have a child, you have a person you have to CARE for and pay for. You have to buy everything from water to higher education. You probably should allocate as much as over $6000/year to the child. o if you are at the poverty line, maybe you should try to make more, etc... before having another child.

      I am saying NOTHING against breastfeeding. But it should not be considered a NECESSITY! A good option? YES! Favorable? YES! DESIRED? YES! REQUIRED? NO WAY!!!!!!

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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        First off, I agree with those who said it's fine to do it in public, just be a little discrete about it.

        However...

        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Yeah, anyone so poor and stupid as to find breastfeeding a NECESSITY is frankly to stupid and poor to have a child.
        Some will argue that you have a choice to breastfeed in the same way that you have a choice whether to give your kid McDonald's for dinner or homemade chicken stir fry. In other words -- those who can breastfeed do choose to do so... but perhaps because it's the healthier alternative.

        And just to clarify -- I'm certainly not knocking anyone who chooses formula. Not at all -- that's a fine choice too. I'm childless, intend to stay that way and so I don't have any personal preference. I'm just sharing the other side of the coin through what others have said to me.

        So whatever you choose, rock on. But remember that just because someone chose something else doesn't make them stupid.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

          First off, I agree with those who said it's fine to do it in public, just be a little discrete about it.

          However...



          Some will argue that you have a choice to breastfeed in the same way that you have a choice whether to give your kid McDonald's for dinner or homemade chicken stir fry. In other words -- those who can breastfeed do choose to do so... but perhaps because it's the healthier alternative.

          And just to clarify -- I'm certainly not knocking anyone who chooses formula. Not at all -- that's a fine choice too. I'm childless, intend to stay that way and so I don't have any personal preference. I'm just sharing the other side of the coin through what others have said to me.

          So whatever you choose, rock on. But remember that just because someone chose something else doesn't make them stupid.
          Why didn't you bother to read my WHOLE post! I said it is NICE to breastfeed. I simply said it is NOT a NECESSITY and if you are so poor to not afford any other way, or too stupid to see any other way, it is CRUEL to have a child!

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          • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
            Hi Steve,

            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Why didn't you bother to read my WHOLE post! I said it is NICE to breastfeed. I simply said it is NOT a NECESSITY and if you are so poor to not afford any other way, or too stupid to see any other way, it is CRUEL to have a child!
            I did read the whole post. I am basically saying that some women truly feel it IS a necessity (for the health of their child).

            But like I said, I don't have a dog in this hunt, so I'm fine with whatever people want to do. I was just pointing out that there's a segment who feels REALLY strongly that BF'ing is a necessity, to the point that they'll even find a wet nurse if they can't do it themselves.

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

              Hi Steve,



              I did read the whole post. I am basically saying that some women truly feel it IS a necessity (for the health of their child).

              But like I said, I don't have a dog in this hunt, so I'm fine with whatever people want to do. I was just pointing out that there's a segment who feels REALLY strongly that BF'ing is a necessity, to the point that they'll even find a wet nurse if they can't do it themselves.

              Cheers,
              Becky
              Ever see "The hand that rocks the cradle"? GOOD movie by the way, and I am sure a number of such things DO happen. How about the episode of house where the mother wasn't vaccinated, and had a child? How about all the diseases of the world?

              Frankly, I don't think I would trust another woman with breast feeding any child I had! The benefits might not be there, and there are a lot of added potential problems.

              So I stand by all I said in that regard. But I meant necessity in that it is like the only way the child would be fed. YOU obviously mean it as a VERY highly desired option.

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    I also think breastfeeding makes people cringe is because it puts us on an even keel with animals. It is offensive to some to be seen as just another mammal feeding its young the way nature intended.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Ever see "The hand that rocks the cradle"? GOOD movie by the way, and I am sure a number of such things DO happen. How about the episode of house where the mother wasn't vaccinated, and had a child?
    Oh well if it's in the movies and on TV, then I have no choice but to change my mind on the entire issue.



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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Oh well if it's in the movies and on TV, then I have no choice but to change my mind on the entire issue.



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      HEY, I think you know. I just tend to see a lot of movies, and various subjects bring them up, so I mention them. With the hand that rocks the cradle, there is a real low class(morally) family where the husband is a doctor. He molests this woman and she reports it, and many others start reporting, and the doctor figures he lost everything, and committed suicide. The wife, of the doctor, had a miscarriage, but REALLY wanted a child, so she devises a plan to steal the baby of the woman that was the first to report her husband. In part of it, she breastfeeds that baby so much that he won't accept his own mothers breast.

      She was, ironically, hired by the mother because the mother needed a nice nanny for her kids, so she applied and got the job.

      The Hand That Rocks the Cradle (1992) - Plot Summary

      Anyway, it is a TASTE of what hiring needless help can bring.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jagged
        Over 20 years living in NYC really changes ones perspective on life...desensitizes you to a point that nothing much phases you...if you can think of it...you WILL see it in NYC somplace...

        I've seen topless woman roller blading in central park, walking topless along 5th avenue, the esplande at battery park city and at rockefeller center...
        I've seen men walking with nothing but a lion cloth on...on a very windy day in greenwich village....
        The laws in NY State say they have the right to.....there's nothing sexual about it....if it's somthing that "I choose" not to view...I have the choice to look away...(as I chose to do in the case of the guy with the lion cloth...lol)

        As for something as natural as breastfeeding a baby...geez, in todays society...is it really an issue?

        To compare it to public urination? come on now....no where even in the same league.....apples & oranges...:confused:

        I think we are all missing the big picture here....and that is....


        "What the heck are you eating at a chick-fil-a" for?????

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  • Profile picture of the author TeddyP
    I am kind of surprised that in 2009 people get this worked up over a boob.

    Time to grow up.
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    • Profile picture of the author dave830
      Originally Posted by TeddyP View Post

      I am kind of surprised that in 2009 people get this worked up over a boob.

      Time to grow up.
      I'd say the overreaction was after the polite request, but no arguing our society needs some growing up.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by TeddyP View Post

      I am kind of surprised that in 2009 people get this worked up over a boob.

      Time to grow up.
      Give me a break. Cultures have spoken about this aspect of culture for THOUSANDS of years. Although it can no longer easily be hidden, and is thus being more revealed, some DO still have decorum, and would like it to be respected.

      Besides, why do you think NOW people should be any more willing to show a lack of decorum NOW than 10,000 years ago? We came INTO this world naked! It is a DEVELOPMENT!

      There have been a LOT of lawsuits regarding such dress or lack thereof. In Arab countries, people have DIED, been tortured, or MAIMED for breaking such standards. Although people THINK Europe lacks such things, it DOESN'T! It is more permissive, and allows it more, but doesn't accept it EVERYWHERE, etc...

      If you want such permissive behavior, SIMPLE! Join a nudist colony! PROBLEM SOLVED!

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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by TeddyP View Post

      I am kind of surprised that in 2009 people get this worked up over a boob.

      Time to grow up.
      I'm surprised that you consider the exposure of a boob in public "growing up".
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      • Profile picture of the author TeddyP
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        I'm surprised that you consider the exposure of a boob in public "growing up".
        That not what I implied.

        I find it surprising that in 2009 people get so worked up over the appearance of a breast to feed a baby.

        That would have been notable to me when I was like 13...hence why i think people need to "grow up"

        EDIT: Seasoned - as for your comments like in most cases when I read your posts I don't understand what point you are making - no offense or anything I guess we just don't click. Your tangents, anecdotes etc.. truly make little sense to me usually. I respect your right to communicate any way you see fit - I just want to let you know you so you didn't waste your time with me.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by TeddyP View Post

          That not what I implied.

          I find it surprising that in 2009 people get so worked up over the appearance of a breast to feed a baby.

          That would have been notable to me when I was like 13...hence why i think people need to "grow up"

          EDIT: Seasoned - as for your comments like in most cases when I read your posts I don't understand what point you are making - no offense or anything I guess we just don't click. Your tangents, anecdotes etc.. truly make little sense to me usually. I respect your right to communicate any way you see fit - I just want to let you know you so you didn't waste your time with me.
          Well, your points don't make any sense to me like when you say vick didn't kill anyone, paid his dues, and "untill he commits a crime..." when he committed a crime, and killed dogs, and people have to wonder how an arbitrary value can be placed on something and the person pays a PART of that value to someone else, and that is considered payment.

          OH WELL....

          and 13? Why THAT age? You didn't realize that they might be used to feed babies until then, or what?

          And your right, you didn't imply it. You STATED it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by TeddyP View Post

      I am kind of surprised that in 2009 people get this worked up over a boob.

      Time to grow up.
      Oh i dont mind a boob while i'm eating, If i'm at a place with a VIP lounge and 2 for 1 lapdances
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Tani
    You can't please everyone. Different people find different things offensive (or I think a more appropriate way to put it is "grossed out").

    You might be grossed out by my feeding my child at the next table, but I guarantee you that I'm grossed out by the food that you're eating too (assuming that it's meat). I've been a vegetarian my whole life and can't stand to watch people eat meat. I think it's completely disgusting.

    My brother doesn't mind seeing someone breastfeeding, but he got very worked up when he saw one of the America's Next Top Model judges come through his line at Whole Foods wearing sandals and having "snaggle toes". Should that guy not be allowed to wear sandals because my brother finds his toes offensive?

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Shannon Tani View Post

      You can't please everyone. Different people find different things offensive (or I think a more appropriate way to put it is "grossed out").

      You might be grossed out by my feeding my child at the next table, but I guarantee you that I'm grossed out by the food that you're eating too (assuming that it's meat). I've been a vegetarian my whole life and can't stand to watch people eat meat. I think it's completely disgusting.

      My brother doesn't mind seeing someone breastfeeding, but he got very worked up when he saw one of the America's Next Top Model judges come through his line at Whole Foods wearing sandals and having "snaggle toes". Should that guy not be allowed to wear sandals because my brother finds his toes offensive?

      Love,
      Shannon
      should he be allowed to sit with his feat up on the table at a public restraunt or eat with his feet?

      It was not the general public's idea to have a child. As such should they be required to 'enjoy' the nuances of child rearing?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Shannon Tani View Post

      You can't please everyone. Different people find different things offensive (or I think a more appropriate way to put it is "grossed out").

      You might be grossed out by my feeding my child at the next table, but I guarantee you that I'm grossed out by the food that you're eating too (assuming that it's meat). I've been a vegetarian my whole life and can't stand to watch people eat meat. I think it's completely disgusting.

      My brother doesn't mind seeing someone breastfeeding, but he got very worked up when he saw one of the America's Next Top Model judges come through his line at Whole Foods wearing sandals and having "snaggle toes". Should that guy not be allowed to wear sandals because my brother finds his toes offensive?

      Love,
      Shannon
      Frankly, I HATE sandals. And HEY, if you are a vegetarian that hates it that much, maybe you go to vegetarian places. And, for all I know, hawaii may have more places that are more permissive of breastfeeding. After all, it USED to be about 100% polynesian. Granted, that was a LONG time ago, but the culture is STILL hanging on.

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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    That particular Chic-Fil_A is just a couple of miles from my house. On top
    of all the furor they caused, the food is lousy too.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

      That particular Chic-Fil_A is just a couple of miles from my house. On top
      of all the furor they caused, the food is lousy too.

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      I take it you've never ordered the boob.....

      (I can't believe this thread is still going.)
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

        I take it you've never ordered the boob.....
        No, but I have ordered FROM them. It's amazing how some of the people behind the counter are even able to operate a cash register.
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    From the article:
    "Still, Michelle LeRiche of Oviedo said the nurse-in was an important way to raise awareness - "to let other moms know, you have a right to feed your baby wherever and whenever they need to be fed."

    Uh, no, you don't.
    The manager made a mistake when she apologized.
    The article says she asked the mother to use a towel AFTER she had received complaints from other patrons.
    Her desire to plop a boob out so her child can suckle in public is NOT a right.

    If a mother wants to breast feed,I'm all for it,but it is not nor should it be a public affair.
    Edit: Rethinking the quote, I might tend to agree with it, what I don't agree with is they d0on't have the right to use breastfeeding as the method of feeding whenever and wherever they want.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      From the article:
      "Still, Michelle LeRiche of Oviedo said the nurse-in was an important way to raise awareness - "to let other moms know, you have a right to feed your baby wherever and whenever they need to be fed."

      Uh, no, you don't.
      The manager made a mistake when she apologized.
      The article says she asked the mother to use a towel AFTER she had received complaints from other patrons.
      Her desire to plop a boob out so her child can suckle in public is NOT a right.

      If a mother wants to breast feed,I'm all for it,but it is not nor should it be a public affair.
      Edit: Rethinking the quote, I might tend to agree with it, what I don't agree with is they d0on't have the right to use breastfeeding as the method of feeding whenever and wherever they want.
      Hi Kim,

      I got an entirely different take based on the same article. For example...

      1. It was MALE patrons (plural) who complained because the felt "uncomfortable". Again, why were they looking? Why were they uncomfortable about the fact that...

      2. She was wearing a nursing top, so she never "flopped out" her entire breast. It may not have been 100% discrete, but an effort WAS made by the mother.

      3. Even if she had exposed her entire breast, Florida state law says that is okay.

      I agree that "you have a right to feed your baby wherever and whenever they need to be fed". Anybody arguing against that doesn't get it, IMHO. BUT the real issue is whether or not it should be "wherever and whenever and HOWEVER".

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Hi Kim,

        I got an entirely different take based on the same article. For example...

        1. It was MALE patrons (plural) who complained because the felt "uncomfortable". Again, why were they looking? Why were they uncomfortable about the fact that...
        Because they are men and there was a tit in the area. You cant tell them where they can and can't look in a public place like a restraunt.

        2. She was wearing a nursing top, so she never "flopped out" her entire breast. It may not have been 100% discrete, but an effort WAS made by the mother.
        doesnt make it a 'right'
        3. Even if she had exposed her entire breast, Florida state law says that is okay.
        its also florida state law that says a business has the right to make their own rules or code of conduct
        I agree that "you have a right to feed your baby wherever and whenever they need to be fed". Anybody arguing against that doesn't get it, IMHO. BUT the real issue is whether or not it should be "wherever and whenever and HOWEVER".

        All the best,
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        yes, but nobody says you have the right to breastfeed anywhere you want
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    Michael O. said:"BUT the real issue is whether or not it should be "wherever and whenever and HOWEVER".

    Which is the point I also was trying to make.

    Michael M said:"yes, but nobody says you have the right to breastfeed anywhere you want."

    Which is also the point I was making.

    The article stated,as Michael O points out:"State law allows public breast-feeding, regardless of how much of a woman's breast is exposed."
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    You cant tell them where they can and can't look in a public place like a restraunt.
    No, you can't, but you can tell them to stop ogling women and getting their kicks in the hopes of seeing a little female skin while the woman is breastfeeding.

    yes, but nobody says you have the right to breastfeed anywhere you want
    I'm saying that women should have that right. Theaters, churches, school, restaurants, etc.

    She was being discrete.

    Whether you want to concede the point or not, men shouldn't be checking out other women. No, you can't tell them where they can't look.

    But if we are ultimately talking about manners...

    Breastfeeding isn't bad manners. Staring at women's breasts is.

    Out of curiosity, (not aimed at anybody in particular) why is there so much anger directed toward breastfeeding?

    I'm astounded that certain people haven't mentioned the inferiority of formula - after all, isn't that made by the "evil" corporations?

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      No, you can't, but you can tell them to stop ogling women and getting their kicks in the hopes of seeing a little female skin while the woman is breastfeeding.

      I'm saying that women should have that right. Theaters, churches, school, restaurants, etc.

      She was being discrete.

      Whether you want to concede the point or not, men shouldn't be checking out other women. No, you can't tell them where they can't look.

      But if we are ultimately talking about manners...

      Breastfeeding isn't bad manners. Staring at women's breasts is.

      Out of curiosity, (not aimed at anybody in particular) why is there so much anger directed toward breastfeeding?

      I'm astounded that certain people haven't mentioned the inferiority of formula - after all, isn't that made by the "evil" corporations?

      All the best,
      Michael
      It's not anger towards breastfeeding. Its annoyance at mothers who think the entire population should just 'get over it' everytime they feel the need to perform some kind of maintenance on their little poop machines right in front of god an everyone. Yeah but quite honestly there are quite a few natural things that I dont particularly want to share with everyone on the planet.

      Also with the whole thing about guys being 'uncomfortable' with a mother breastfeeding, do you think they wouldnt? People are going to look, and probably dont really have a choice when you're just pulling a tit out in the middle of a restraunt like chik-fil-a. I mean with as small as those places are, is there really anywhere to try to be 'discrete'? Thats like being discrete in a phone booth.

      So whats going to happen when some mom, during the storm of hormones and psychological issues that happens to some women post partum is outraged that some guy minding his business eating his cheeseburger was looking longer than she liked when she pulled a tit out at the next table? Are we going to start taking regular customers who arent flashing body parts to jail for being a peeping tom?

      If she kept it in her bra, or tried to discretely not make a big show out of it, then its a moot point.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Michael O, In this case I think you have it all wrong.
    It is not "normal" to sit and look straight ahead while eating. Nor is it normal to sit and gaze at the person you are dining with. It is natural behavior to look around. The fact that I am doing so does not indicate that I am trying to ogle women or am hoping to see some female skin.
    Having meals together is a social event. Breastfeeding is not.
    Breastfeeding IN PUBLIC is bad manners. At least it sure looks to me a large portion of us think so.
    As to anger at breastfeeding? I don't see that either.
    I'm not angry about someone breastfeeding their child. And posting that I don't think it is proper doesn't make me angry.
    And the fact that a couple of MEN complained indicates that they were not trying to ogle some female skin.
    A lot of the time it seems your posts are on target, but as I said, this tme you are way off base.
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    Michael M, they keep trying to say the mother was being discrete, but I doubt that's the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Breast feeding in public is not bad manners.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Breast feeding in public is not bad manners.
      Your opinion.
      Your welcome to it.

      I personally don't want to be forced to see it.
      I said it's bad manners because my opinion is that it is.

      Neither of ours opinion supercedes the others.

      And to the formula point you raised, I think a child is healthier when breastfed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Your opinion.
        Your welcome to it.

        I personally don't want to be forced to see it.
        I said it's bad manners because my opinion is that it is.

        Neither of ours opinion supercedes the others.
        LOL. I'm only laughing because I was orignally going to post...

        "I guess we just disagree on this subject."

        No problem there. I believe it's a worthwhile discussion.

        One bit of information I didn't share is how a lot of the anti-breastfeeding movement got started.

        Contrary to what someone else said in an earlier post, this has NOT been an issue for thousands of years.

        It was actually started by a hoaxter named Allen Able (?) (Not 100% sure on the name). He started a fake organizaton, and appeared on several TV and radio programs espousing his "beliefs". The whole idea was to point out how messed up (for lack of a better term) some people are.

        Of course that doesn't really matter in what we are talking about, but it makes for an interesting side note.

        Also, you are right - people do look around. Otherwise people would walk into a public place looking like brain dead zombies.

        All of that being said, breastfeeding in public is okay.

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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          All of that being said, breastfeeding in public is okay.

          ~Michael
          correction: discrete breast feeding is ok.
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            Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

            correction: discrete breast feeding is ok.
            Nope, no correction needed.

            I will say that discrete breastfeeding is preferable, though.

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            Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

            correction: discrete breast feeding is ok.
            BINGO!

            We have a winner!
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          LOL. I'm only laughing because I was orignally going to post...

          "I guess we just disagree on this subject."

          No problem there. I believe it's a worthwhile discussion.

          One bit of information I didn't share is how a lot of the anti-breastfeeding movement got started.

          Contrary to what someone else said in an earlier post, this has NOT been an issue for thousands of years.

          It was actually started by a hoaxter named Allen Able (?) (Not 100% sure on the name). He started a fake organizaton, and appeared on several TV and radio programs espousing his "beliefs". The whole idea was to point out how messed up (for lack of a better term) some people are.

          Of course that doesn't really matter in what we are talking about, but it makes for an interesting side note.

          Also, you are right - people do look around. Otherwise people would walk into a public place looking like brain dead zombies.

          All of that being said, breastfeeding in public is okay.

          ~Michael
          I was talking about how clothing and avoidance of nudity has been a part of most cultures for THOUSANDS of years. Look at perhaps any country, or even practically the first page of the Bible, and you will see I am right. I found a reference to an Allen Abel. That person is FAR too young to have had any influence on the centuries I am talking about.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Breast feeding in public is not bad manners.
      Broadcasting it, as was obviously done here, IS! If she were discrete about it, the manager probably wouldn't have heard about it and, if he had, he would NOT have offered her something to coverup with.

      And MEN don't often complain to managers about such things. I have to wonder if the women they were with didn't bring it up or something, or maybe it was kids they were with. That would make it WORSE! But saying that several men, and ONLY men complained about it just doesn't sound right. THAT sounds like either an incomplete story or propaganda.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Broadcasting it, as was obviously done here, IS! If she were discrete about it, the manager probably wouldn't have heard about it and, if he had, he would NOT have offered her something to coverup with.

        And MEN don't often complain to managers about such things. I have to wonder if the women they were with didn't bring it up or something, or maybe it was kids they were with. That would make it WORSE! But saying that several men, and ONLY men complained about it just doesn't sound right. THAT sounds like either an incomplete story or propaganda.

        Steve
        Actually it was NOT the case here. She was wearing a nursing top, was trying to be discrete (YES, she was), she didn't "flop out her breast", she was emabarassed when the manager came over.

        Doesn't sound like somebody who was trying to make a point for some cause they believe in.

        That was according to the manager - if anything, the manager would have been wise to say the opposite - that's the facts, not propaganda. It may not sound right, because it isn't. It's accurate, but that doesn't make it right.

        Anyway, really, what difference does it make in the bigger sense of things? Seriously.

        Society isn't going to collapse if women are allowed to breastfeed in public.

        All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author HomeBizNizz
    Is it better to see them change the baby's diapers
    on top of the coffetable in public...?
    And you sitting next to it and the smell...?

    Luckily, I have NOT had the pleasure,
    but I know of some people what did.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Why are people comparing breastfeeding to urinating and poop?

      Originally Posted by HomeBizNizz View Post

      Is it better to see them change the baby's diapers
      on top of the coffetable in public...?
      And you sitting next to it and the smell...?

      Luckily, I have NOT had the pleasure,
      but I know of some people what did.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Why are people comparing breastfeeding to urinating and poop?
        C'mon, Tim! You know why.

        We're in the OT.




        @seasoned - Okay I misunderstood your particular point. You may be right about clothing and nudity through the ages, but that's not the same as breastfeeding. That's where Mr. Able enters the picture.

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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Why are people comparing breastfeeding to urinating and poop?
        I was just going to say the same thing.

        Comparing breastfeeding to changing a poop diaper on a table = apples and oranges. Poop on a table is a health hazard to all, not merely an irritation/annoyance to some.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

          I was just going to say the same thing.

          Comparing breastfeeding to changing a poop diaper on a table = apples and oranges. Poop on a table is a health hazard to all, not merely an irritation/annoyance to some.
          I've seen plenty of mothers that can change a diaper an a postage stamp and not leave a mess. Thats not the issue. The issue is that i'd rather not share in a sh***y little butt or a diaper full of radioactive waste.

          It's your child. I didnt make the decision to share my life with a baby, i didnt make the decision to smell like baby puke, be eyeball deep in diapers clean and dirty. If you made that decision, good for you, keep your mess and your baby's mess in your own area. If i wanted to enjoy the aroma of a fresh dump from a baby or catch the splatter damage from this afternoon's lunch of split pea soup and creamed corn, i'd have my own baby. Because if i ever do make the decision to have a child in my life I will do the same out of common courtesy.

          Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
            Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

            I've seen plenty of mothers that can change a diaper an a postage stamp and not leave a mess. Thats not the issue. The issue is that i'd rather not share in a sh***y little butt or a diaper full of radioactive waste.
            I agree completely. That's nasty.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Why are people comparing breastfeeding to urinating and poop?
        Because what goes in has to come out?
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Why are people comparing breastfeeding to urinating and poop?
        well they are both natural things that techncally the only real issue anyone has with either is a matter of societal law on public decorum
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      • Profile picture of the author HomeBizNizz
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Why are people comparing breastfeeding to urinating and poop?
        It's the same deal.
        You don't just do that in a place with other people around.
        Use the restroom or a room for baby "maintenance". :p
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          I don't see it being the same. You think a mother should go to a restroom to feed a baby? No offense, but that just doesn't make sense.
          Originally Posted by HomeBizNizz View Post

          It's the same deal.
          You don't just do that in a place with other people around.
          Use the restroom or a room for baby "maintenance". :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Taking a ****'s natural too, but I don't wanna watch that either.

    I don't care if a woman breastfeeds in public, but it's courtesy to cover up.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I'm going to be completely honest here and say that seeing someone expose their boob in public is very embarrassing for me. For some men, including myself, a boob is a very sexual item. Men are naturally visual creatures. We are aroused by site. And when you grow up in a society where a boob is almost always covered up - unless you're getting ready for sexual relations, then seeing an uncovered boob is naturally an arousal.

    Therefore if I'm sitting in a restaurant with my wife, and a boob pops out any where near me, then I'll honestly say that I become embarrassed.

    Why is it ok for her to embarrass the men around her, but then she can't take a little embarrassment herself when asked to cover up?

    Just because you don't think that people should be embarrassed by it, doesn't mean that there aren't people out there like myself that are genuinely embarrassed by it. I know, you can tell people like me to get over it. And people like me can say please keep it covered.

    Besides - if women actually knew what many men were thinking when they see an exposed breast, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Gary, speak for yourself. I don't go nuts and start thinking about having sex with a women when a breast is exposed. Especially during breastfeeding.

      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Besides - if women actually knew what many men were thinking when they see an exposed breast, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Gary, speak for yourself. I don't go nuts and start thinking about having sex with a women when a breast is exposed. Especially during breastfeeding.

        Actually -If you read my post I was speaking for myself, and people like me. And I never said I go nuts and start thinking about having sex. I said it was embarrassing for me. And I'm obviously not the only one.

        So the only question for me in this debate is do you have courtesy for others or don't you? There's no getting around the fact that there are people that don't like seeing over exposure. So do you keep those people in mind when you're breast-feeding?
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          I read your post. You are embarrassed by seeing a breast for some reason. You also imply that there is a lot more going on besides being embarrassed. Why else say "if women actually knew what many men were thinking when they see an exposed breast"? That implies being turned on to me. Nothing wrong with being turned on or embarassed, but frankly, that is your issue, not the nursing mothers.

          Seems to me the courtesy would have been for the male guests at the restaurant to keep their mouths shut and their eyes to themselves.

          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          Actually -If you read my post I was speaking for myself, and people like me. And I never said I go nuts and start thinking about having sex. I said it was embarrassing for me. And I'm obviously not the only one.

          So the only question for me in this debate is do you have courtesy for others or don't you? There's no getting around the fact that there are people that don't like seeing over exposure. So do you keep those people in mind when you're breast-feeding?
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            I read your post. You are embarrassed by seeing a breast for some reason. You also imply that there is a lot more going on besides being embarrassed. Why else say "if women actually knew what many men were thinking when they see an exposed breast"? That implies being turned on to me. Nothing wrong with being turned on or embarrassed, but frankly, that is your issue, not the nursing mothers.

            Seems to me the courtesy would have been for the male guests at the restaurant to keep their mouths shut and their eyes to themselves.
            Yes I did imply that an exposed breast is a turn-on, but there's a big difference between being aroused, and "going crazy thinking about having sex".

            And courtesy is not a 1 way street. Of course I'm aware that children need to be fed. But it's not that hard to cover yourself when doing so. Millions of women have figured out how to do it, and it's not that hard. If we were talking about a culture where breast exposure was an everyday event anyway, that would be a different matter. However in this culture we're talking about, it's not only common practice, but it's expected that a woman's breasts will be covered up.

            So in a culture where breasts are normally covered up, to say that being embarrassed by an exposed breast is my own issue, and not that of the woman exposing herself, is like going into a non-smoking restaurant and saying that if I disagree w/ someone smoking near me, that it's my issue and not that of the smoker. If it was in a restaurant where smoking is allowed, then it would be my issue. But if I'm in a non-smoking restaurant, then it becomes the issue of the smoker. Same principle.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              If it's more important to someone to stop the feeding of an infant than keeping control of their sexual desire, then I do think they have a problem controlling their thoughts about having sex. Like I said, getting turned on isn't a bad thing, but complaining about a lady breastfeeding because you are either embarrassed or turned on is just not right. By all accounts she was being discreet BTW.

              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              Yes I did imply that an exposed breast is a turn-on, but there's a big difference between being aroused, and "going crazy thinking about having sex".
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              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                If it's more important to someone to stop the feeding of an infant than keeping control of their sexual desire, then I do think they have a problem controlling their thoughts about having sex. Like I said, getting turned on isn't a bad thing, but complaining about a lady breastfeeding because you are either embarrassed or turned on is just not right. By all accounts she was being discreet BTW.

                By all accounts except for all of the men and manager that asked her to cover up.

                And I have every right to complain if I'm embarrassed. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize that a small cloth provides a solution to the whole thing.

                Also not one person here yet has said that she needs to stop feeding her kid, just that she should be more discreet. I don't think that it's too much to ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    We'll probably have to just agree to disagree on this one Tim.

    By the way, I saw that you have your article directory up for sale. I remember your directory being one of the more popular ones out there. I wish I had the money to buy it for what you're asking for it. I may still try to scrounge up enough for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Yeh, I'll agree with that. I just don't understand why it's a big deal for some people. BTW, that's a nice photo with your kid.
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      We'll probably have to just agree to disagree on this one Tim.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "By all accounts she was being discreet BTW"
    No, she was not being discreet by all accounts.
    And when she was asked to use a little discretion as a courtesy to others, she refused.
    As Kay posted earlier in this thread, this is more about the current (false) attitude that someone has the right to do what they want when they want and everyone else be damned. I quote:
    "The entire issue is about a young woman who flopped her boob out in public and grew angry when asked in a polite and reasonable way to cover up a bit. She wasn't asked to stop feeding or to move nor was she treated rudely. Just another member of the "it's all about me" generation."
    Most of the posters seemed to have missed the real issue.
    I am actually surprised that this has gotten so much attention and this story so little.Burger King Kicks Out Baby for Not Wearing Shoes - Associated Content
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "By all accounts she was being discreet BTW"
      No, she was not being discreet by all accounts.
      And when she was asked to use a little discretion as a courtesy to others, she refused.
      As Kay posted earlier in this thread, this is more about the current (false) attitude that someone has the right to do what they want when they want and everyone else be damned. I quote:
      "The entire issue is about a young woman who flopped her boob out in public and grew angry when asked in a polite and reasonable way to cover up a bit. She wasn't asked to stop feeding or to move nor was she treated rudely. Just another member of the "it's all about me" generation."
      Most of the posters seemed to have missed the real issue.
      I am actually surprised that this has gotten so much attention and this story so little.Burger King Kicks Out Baby for Not Wearing Shoes - Associated Content

      At sixth months of age, the baby didn't even have shoes, and the mother saw no need, as her feet never touched the ground.
      GEE, MY feet don't touch the ground EITHER! Does that mean I can take my shoes and socks off and kick back and relax? And she figures germs grow with the baby!?!?!?(She referred to "baby germs") WOW!

      Frankly, I'm not too crazy with THAT either, but I'm ok with it as long as they keep their distance from me. On the airplane, people treat their kids like pieces of luggage. SERIOUSLY, I treat my LAPTOP better, and many of them treat their lugguage better. Their babies feet may well hit everyone on the plane! If I had herpes, had a blister on my arm, and their babies foot popped it, and they realized what happened, you could BET there would be outrage from them. Frankly, I don't know who those people are, and don't want something similar happening to me.

      But HEY, most people aren't subjected to such things as much as I am, and most don't seem to care. Most don't even wash their hands after going to the restroom.

      BTW I was WALKING by 11mo, and some babies start crawling at 6mo! So maybe that kids feet DO touch the ground. BESIDES, I doubt the child's parents ALWAYS carry her. How do they change her? That would be MESSY! 8-(

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      According to the manager she made a mistake. The mother said she fed her baby modestly, using a nursing top. "You can't see when I nurse my daughter," said Krivensky. She was out by the childrens play area. The law says she can expose as much of her breast as she wants while feeding the baby, however she was discreet. She didn't "flop her boob out".

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "By all accounts she was being discreet BTW"
      No, she was not being discreet by all accounts.
      And when she was asked to use a little discretion as a courtesy to others, she refused.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Tim, usually I agree with you but not in this case.
    As far as the manager making a mistake, nonsense, thats coming from Chic Filet doing some quick fire putting outing. PR is everything.
    Head Honchos say we got to nip this in the bud so they have the manager apologize.
    As pointed out, the mother may have said she was discreet, but the fact alone that people complained proves she wasn't discreet.Funny, I saw the mother do an interview on a Fox station and she wasn't being discreet at all,though the Fox channel was, it kept a bar covering her up the whole interview.
    As far as they law saying she can expose as much as she wants, well then it's time to readjust the laws into more sensible ones.
    I wasn't there, you weren't there so neither of us actually know if she was discreet,but once again, the fact that she got complaints would indicate she wasn't as discreet as both you and her claim.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeddyP
    For the people who have such a strong aversion to public breast feeding..even with a nursing bra which is discrete by nature.

    Why are you looking? Like that is what confuses me.

    No matter where in public you are there are an infinite amount of places to look besides the nursing mother.

    If you can't simply ignore that, or are embarrassed or grossed out by that - I think that is something you need to work on IMO.

    Thankfully the laws regarding this issue seem to becoming more liberal, so hopefully in a generation or two - the stigma and possible ignorance(not saying people here are, just in general) over this issue will have died out and people will be laughing that it was ever an issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by TeddyP View Post

      For the people who have such a strong aversion to public breast feeding..even with a nursing bra which is discrete by nature.

      Why are you looking? Like that is what confuses me.

      No matter where in public you are there are an infinite amount of places to look besides the nursing mother.

      If you can't simply ignore that, or are embarrassed or grossed out by that - I think that is something you need to work on IMO.

      Thankfully the laws regarding this issue seem to becoming more liberal, so hopefully in a generation or two - the stigma and possible ignorance(not saying people here are, just in general) over this issue will have died out and people will be laughing that it was ever an issue.
      you might want to reread here:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post1089932
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Having you post a Fox video FOR your side is actually quite ironic.
    Discrete is subjective. What I feel discrete is and what you feel discrete is and what she feels discrete is and what the original complainers feel discrete is obviously do not coincide.
    Its funny how she won't even answer the interviewers direct question that this should be done"with discretion".
    As far as this interview goes, watch the moving name bar. Nuff said.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Gary - There are many people out there that are embarrassed when they see breastfeeding in public - for a lot of different reasons. The last living generation that lived thinking it was risque for a woman to show her ankles in public has just expired.
    In America, people have been socialized very strangely. It is understandable that a
    parent's victorian attitude will be drilled or be beaten into them. Men in this country
    are absolutely berserk over breasts.

    I have always been small chested and actually thought that was a deformity and was
    much upset by it in my last year of high school, by which time it was apparent that I was smaller than many women and I was often made to feel inferior because of it - by both men and women. THen I moved to Europe. It was the first time in my life I was exposed to the attitude that you didn't have to sport udders to be sexy. The men looked at the whole body and not just the "rack". By the time I got back to America I felt awesome about myself - and while my confidence allowed me to see there are a lot of leg and ab guys out there, there are still jerks who will make completely and outrageously rude comments to me. Where would my confidence be if I'd never been elsewhere that comments like "you'd have a perfect body if you had bigger tits" were as frowned on by other males as they were by women? How superior of a male to feel that he has the right to destroy someone like that just because he has other preferences? But it happens all the time in this country.

    My point in all of this? Somewhere Americans got a very sick point of view of the female body. Perhaps it's a hangover from the attitude that used to be so prevelant that women are on earth for man's pleasure and are merely a convenience for them. Maybe it's because many are taught that sex is evil and breasts are a very potent symbol of sex - yet men are completely dependent on them at some point of their lives. Maybe the embarrassment is a residual of that somehow. There are a lot of reasons we got so sick over this part of the body.

    But this isn't 1850 any more, when it was frowned upon for women to even be in public when they were pregnant - and it's not 1950 anymore when men thought of women as a subclass breed of men rather than an opposite gender of the same species. We can be expected to never be comfortable watching something so aesthetically displeasing as someone moving their bowels or tossing their cookies.
    But the feeding of a child can't be compared to watching refuse pouring out of someone's body.

    Once breastfeeding becomes more prevalent in society, the discomforts such as you feel will also disappear. When that happens there won't be much spectacular left in seeing a boob flopped out to a baby. That boob won't have the same impact as the ones being shaken in your face from the stage of a strip club.

    I am hoping that many more women decide to breast feed in public. Yes, they should be descreet as it is a new thing over here in our sexually anal little society, but eventually will become so normal that nobody will have any odd feelings when it happens even when there is no descretion attempted. I think about the time that we can see a baby being fed and not really take extra notice of it that many other of our ideas about sex and women will normalize as well - for both men and women.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Gary - There are many people out there that are embarrassed when they see breastfeeding in public - for a lot of different reasons. The last living generation that lived thinking it was risque for a woman to show her ankles in public has just expired.
      In America, people have been socialized very strangely. It is understandable that a
      parent's victorian attitude will be drilled or be beaten into them. Men in this country
      are absolutely berserk over breasts.

      I have always been small chested and actually thought that was a deformity and was
      much upset by it in my last year of high school, by which time it was apparent that I was smaller than many women and I was often made to feel inferior because of it - by both men and women. THen I moved to Europe. It was the first time in my life I was exposed to the attitude that you didn't have to sport udders to be sexy. The men looked at the whole body and not just the "rack". By the time I got back to America I felt awesome about myself - and while my confidence allowed me to see there are a lot of leg and ab guys out there, there are still jerks who will make completely and outrageously rude comments to me. Where would my confidence be if I'd never been elsewhere that comments like "you'd have a perfect body if you had bigger tits" were as frowned on by other males as they were by women? How superior of a male to feel that he has the right to destroy someone like that just because he has other preferences? But it happens all the time in this country.

      My point in all of this? Somewhere Americans got a very sick point of view of the female body. Perhaps it's a hangover from the attitude that used to be so prevelant that women are on earth for man's pleasure and are merely a convenience for them. Maybe it's because many are taught that sex is evil and breasts are a very potent symbol of sex - yet men are completely dependent on them at some point of their lives. Maybe the embarrassment is a residual of that somehow. There are a lot of reasons we got so sick over this part of the body.

      But this isn't 1850 any more, when it was frowned upon for women to even be in public when they were pregnant - and it's not 1950 anymore when men thought of women as a subclass breed of men rather than an opposite gender of the same species. We can be expected to never be comfortable watching something so aesthetically displeasing as someone moving their bowels or tossing their cookies.
      But the feeding of a child can't be compared to watching refuse pouring out of someone's body.

      Once breastfeeding becomes more prevalent in society, the discomforts such as you feel will also disappear. When that happens there won't be much spectacular left in seeing a boob flopped out to a baby. That boob won't have the same impact as the ones being shaken in your face from the stage of a strip club.

      I am hoping that many more women decide to breast feed in public. Yes, they should be descreet as it is a new thing over here in our sexually anal little society, but eventually will become so normal that nobody will have any odd feelings when it happens even when there is no descretion attempted. I think about the time that we can see a baby being fed and not really take extra notice of it that many other of our ideas about sex and women will normalize as well - for both men and women.
      Interesting theory.

      Personally I think men are 'embarrassed' by women breast feeding because they have it beat into their head that they should be embarrassed about looking.... by women. Supposedly to those outraged mothers its such a personal, intimate thing between a mother and her child, and if you dare look at this scene you're a perv. The guys who feel embarrased are made to feel that way by the mother and every feminist out there. Why would we be naturally embarrassed about boobs? Most of us love boobs, we spend a lot of money to get a girl, mostly because she comes with boobs. If we had our own boobs, we would just stay home and not go to work.

      Americans dont have a sick view of the female body. Men are attracted to the female body. I mean seriously its not that hard to understand. We know we shouldnt be attracted to something like this because society says so in our head there is the developed brain saying 'awwwww...a mother breastfeeding', but at the same time, there is our 'man brain'...the brain that nature gave us, the one that doesnt care about what society says and its saying 'woooohoooo boobies!!'.

      If its so personal and intimate and you dont want people looking, leering or drooling, then busting out the the girls in the middle of rush hour at wendy's without even a modicum of decency probably isn't the best idea. Because quite honestly, if there's a chance we're going to get yelled at about your tit being in the same area as we are by our wives, gf's, managers, police officers..etc when all we want to do is eat our damn cheeseburger and go the hell home, we would rather you just feed the little crumbsnatcher by bottle or better yet, at home.

      And if everyone else doesnt want to see it, its not your 'right' to feed off the tit in a public place. It is in no way your right to make other people feel uncomfortable about something. I'd like to have a little sex while I eat my chik-fil-a, thats natrual too, if i drape my shirt of her for decency will that be ok with you?

      just throwin that out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I love the fact that I'm fascinated by a breast. (And by the way Sal, it doesn't matter to me if it's small or big - I like them all)

    But the fact still remains that we live in a society where the breast is covered up 99.9% of the time when in public.

    Here's one for you to think about - What if over night a world-wide genetic mutation happened, and nutrients for a baby could only come from a male's testicle. Wouldn't you be at least slightly embarrassed to see a man whip it out at the table next to you? Be honest.

    All I'm saying is that it's not unnatural in the least to be embarrassed by an exposed breast, when you're so used to them being covered up. That's not my fault, that's the culture I live in. If women were to go around all day without a shirt or bra on, then I'd be used to it. But that's not the way it happens in this society. If you want to make the argument that women should be topless all of the time, that's fine, I'll be the first to jump on that bandwagon. However until that time comes, you can't expect to expose yourself without embarrassing someone.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Same theory applies, Gary. Yes I would be embarrassed - but it's because I wasn't raised to see that kind of exposure as normal. I did, however, get used to seeing men just "whip it out" and take a leak wherever on the highways of Europe and a parties out at lakes and Mt's ect. in the US - enough so that it does not embarrass me to see this, but I do still turn my head as I'm not thrilled about seeing waste products spilled.

      By the same token, when I see a man whose pants don't bulge just right I don't feel it acceptable to indicate he is just a tool for my pleasure by stating "holy crap, if you had a dick you'd be hot", either. It takes a certain very strange sociological outlook to feel that type of statement is appropriate - and many men still feel that it's fine here in the States.
      They do not do so in Europe - there is quite a difference in the European attitude. I'm not saying they aren't attracted to sexy women - just that they have a different perspective on the human body in general than over here.

      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I love the fact that I'm fascinated by a breast. (And by the way Sal, it doesn't matter to me if it's small or big - I like them all)

      But the fact still remains that we live in a society where the breast is covered up 99.9% of the time when in public.

      Here's one for you to think about - What if over night a world-wide genetic mutation happened, and nutrients for a baby could only come from a male's testicle. Wouldn't you be at least slightly embarrassed to see a man whip it out at the table next to you? Be honest.

      All I'm saying is that it's not unnatural in the least to be embarrassed by an exposed breast, when you're so used to them being covered up. That's not my fault, that's the culture I live in. If women were to go around all day without a shirt or bra on, then I'd be used to it. But that's not the way it happens in this society. If you want to make the argument that women should be topless all of the time, that's fine, I'll be the first to jump on that bandwagon. However until that time comes, you can't expect to expose yourself without embarrassing someone.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Same theory applies, Gary. Yes I would be embarrassed - but it's because I wasn't raised to see that kind of exposure as normal. I did, however, get used to seeing men just "whip it out" and take a leak wherever on the highways of Europe and a parties out at lakes and Mt's ect. in the US - enough so that it does not embarrass me to see this, but I do still turn my head as I'm not thrilled about seeing waste products spilled.
        yeah, but most guys that 'whip it out' along the highway, atleast turn their back to the traffic.
        By the same token, when I see a man whose pants don't bulge just right I don't feel it acceptable to indicate he is just a tool for my pleasure by stating "holy crap, if you had a dick you'd be hot", either.
        But in all fairness, the female breast and the male penis aren't quite viewed teh same way. Women make a point to have their breasts be seen. Men dont wear underwear that lift and seperate, we dont wear pants that have a plunging beltline so as to show a little testicular cleavage. Its not a regular thing for guys to get penis or testical implants purely for the sake of making things look larger there

        It takes a certain very strange sociological outlook to feel that type of statement is appropriate - and many men still feel that it's fine here in the States.
        yeah, its called the male outlook. Some guys just have no cooth. Not to say that most guys aren't thinking it, just not all of us say something.
        They do not do so in Europe - there is quite a difference in the European attitude. I'm not saying they aren't attracted to sexy women - just that they have a different perspective on the human body in general than over here.
        Sex in europe and sex in the states isnt the same thing. They are very open there, we arent here. But the same people that say they want the sexual acceptance that europe has so as to not hear things like remarks about lack of cleavage, are also the same people that verbally berrate people for looking at the bare breast of a woman breastfeeding in public.

        Ya cant have it both ways. If you want people to be more accepting of nudity, then you cant bitch when people look at nudity, because the reason its not so generally accepted is because its still being covered up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oralee Racquel
    I cannot help but think that the child will end up confused and with issues. I have never heard of any scientific studies on the subject though.
    I suspect that breast feeding older children is more for the mother, and not for the child. And my gut says that, at least in our culture, it could be harmful to the child.
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  • Profile picture of the author dwatkins
    Which would you prefer: a screaming baby or a breastfeeding mother?

    I was always discrete and tried to sit in as private a spot as possible, but babies need to be fed often -one of mine needed to be fed every 2 hours for a while. It is impossible to always be at home when the moment arrives. I would always go to the car if the weather made it comfortable.

    Bathrooms are nasty. I wouldn't want to eat in one, so I would never feed my kid there either.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoalex
    Women Looks stupid while i saw them few times breastfeeding in public. They should carry bottle while traveling outside with there children.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by seoalex View Post

      Women Looks stupid while i saw them few times breastfeeding in public. They should carry bottle while traveling outside with there children.
      It is healthiest for the baby to feed directly from breasts. Using pumps and bottles is actually an inferior alternative. There is a chance of bacterial contamination with bottles and maybe small amounts of plastic residues and suchlike on bottles. If a mom uses a bottle to feed her baby, it should be because it is necessary for her, not because of uptight members of the public. It is sick how gory violence publicly displayed on TV has become more acceptable than breastfeeding a baby in public. Frankly, if you have a problem with mothers breastfeeding in public, it is symptomatic of what's wrong with society today.
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  • Profile picture of the author C2
    I think it is a right for a mom to breastfeed her baby in public. But she should do so discreetly. If someone is bothered by it, they can always turn their head the other way.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    My personal point of view, is if it offends you can always walk away
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  • Profile picture of the author creadle24
    I think a breastfeeding mother should be able to nurse in public without fear of prosecution. After all , that baby does not care where the hell we are at the time, only that its hungry. Now i cant give the mother in question any brownie points for not covering herself up, but all they had to say was " um, could you please cover that up" They didnt need to kick her out. And anyway, its a normal thing, theres nothing gross or discusting about it. Its what we do to nurture our children, the natural way. And i guess if you have a problem with that, then go suck your own dick.
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  • Profile picture of the author zkhan144
    do animals feed their babies where humans walk? .. YES!!!
    do humans mind if they see momma animal feed her baby(ies)? ... NO!!

    so why is there an issue of a mother feeding her baby? ... tis natural folks, accept it n if it is repulsive, DON'T LOOK :-D
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  • Profile picture of the author danicat
    For those that say "its a choice", no, not always. I tried to suppliment my baby and we ended up in the er after she aspirated her hypoallergenic formula. Formula made her very very sick. I had to be on a very special diet. I couldnt pump either. It just didnt work.
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