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Turns out Vaccines are safe after all - Who Knew?

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For all the scary memes on FB about vaccines, actual additive analysis of vaccines refute all those wild Internet claims. Vaccine Additives and Preservatives



The bottom line?

Here's childhood BEFORE vaccines:

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

    Here's childhood BEFORE vaccines:




    That meme/logic is severely flawed.

    If vaccinations could have saved those children's lives how were they born in the first place?

    How did their parents survive long enough to have children in the 1880s without the parents having vaccinations?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      That meme/logic is severely flawed.

      If vaccinations could have saved those children's lives how were they born in the first place?

      How did their parents survive long enough to have children in the 1880s without the parents having vaccinations?
      I'll take a shot at that.

      If vaccinations could have saved those children's lives how were they born in the first place?

      You get vaccinated after you are born.

      How did their parents survive long enough to have children in the 1880s without the parents having vaccinations?

      Not being vaccinated doesn't mean you die, before you have kids. It just means you are more likely to catch certain diseases...than if you were vaccinated.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I'll take a shot at that.

        If vaccinations could have saved those children's lives how were they born in the first place?

        You get vaccinated after you are born.

        How did their parents survive long enough to have children in the 1880s without the parents having vaccinations?

        Not being vaccinated doesn't mean you die, before you have kids. It just means you are more likely to catch certain diseases...than if you were vaccinated.


        So what you're saying is you don't have an answer why the parents survived for so long. Don't feel bad I don't have an answer either. Maybe the parents were better looking?
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          So what you're saying is you don't have an answer why the parents survived for so long. Don't feel bad I don't have an answer either. Maybe the parents were better looking?
          Most people reach an age where they are old enough to reproduce, even though life expectancy was a little lower back then. The question is nonsensical.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Most people reach an age where they are old enough to reproduce, even though life expectancy was a little lower back then. The question is nonsensical.

            You can't have it both ways.

            If vaccines saved the children of the world (OP meme) their parents couldn't have had children because the parents were once children without vaccines.

            It's the pro-vaccine which came first chicken or egg conundrum.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              You can't have it both ways.

              If vaccines saved the children of the world (OP meme) their parents couldn't have had children because the parents were once children without vaccines.

              It's the pro-vaccine which came first chicken or egg conundrum.
              There are a lot of other factors back then that you are not even taking into account. The common diseases that people are now vaccinated against like measles for example, are survivable. I went through all the main ones as a kid without the aid of vaccinations. This gave me a strong immune system disposition and will never get them again.

              There was a lot less people in the world then too so the communication of diseases was less common. Now we are all concentrated into big cities.

              Despite the sanitation aspect, the food we ate back then was also more natural and not processed crap that lowers our ability to fight those diseases. I could go on....
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          So what you're saying is you don't have an answer why the parents survived for so long. Don't feel bad I don't have an answer either. Maybe the parents were better looking?
          No. The answer is, the parents didn't happen to catch the disease that the vaccine would have protected them from. That's the answer.

          Not every adult dies from a disease that a vaccine protects the vaccinated from. They have to catch the disease first. Even the Black Plague didn't kill half the population of Europe. Those are the ones that had kids...you know, the ones that lived.

          This is a serious question; Are you pulling our leg? I'm having a difficult time believing that your last two posts are serious.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Yes, this is a tough thing to discuss, in Australia we have a band of people stripping vaccination posters and pamphlets from doctors offices, claiming that it isn't safe.

            Then we had some parrot journalist, saying how stupid they are and doctors save lives, blah, blah.

            But have they done any real research, or just followed herd advise?

            Also in Au, we have people going on tv, saying our child wouldn't have died from Whopping cough, if she or he got the needle. Seems reasonable enough on the surface, but we really need to see the numbers first?

            Probably the other reason for the mistrust with doctors, is all of the half truths and misinformation out there concerning other treatments.

            Pretty hard to trust the medical community and cough up 100k a year for your dyslexic child, when swimming with a dolphin on a regular bases shows good results and doesn't bankrupt you!

            I read recently about the most expensive drug on the market, 500k a year, or half a million a year, for life saving doses.

            Thankfully our gov, subsidizes it, or the parents would either have to sell everything and borrow maybe 3 to 400k before they would be turned away from the banks.

            Then what?

            Let their kid die, or go and knock over an ATM machine once a year?

            Pretty disgusting! Yes, l know research is expensive, blah, but it still sucks!

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            • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


              I read recently about the most expensive drug on the market, 500k a year, or half a million a year, for life saving doses.

              Thankfully our gov, subsidizes it, or the parents would either have to sell everything and borrow maybe 3 to 400k before they would be turned away from the banks.

              Then what?

              Let their kid die, or go and knock over an ATM machine once a year?

              Pretty disgusting! Yes, l know research is expensive, blah, but it still sucks!
              Actually, it works the other way.

              The reason that the meds are $500K, IS BECAUSE they are subsidized by government.

              Take away the government subsidy and watch the prices tumble. Market forces at work.

              I've watched the U.S. government destroy medical care here. It's happened over many decades. The fruit of which, we are now enjoying.
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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

                Actually, it works the other way.

                The reason that the meds are $500K, IS BECAUSE they are subsidized by government.
                As much as it pains me, Shane is actually right on that one. In Australia government subsidies LOWER the costs of medicines

                Don't make claims about another country's healthcare system by comparing it to that of the US, as no other country on earth has a system like the U.S.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

                  Actually, it works the other way.

                  The reason that the meds are $500K, IS BECAUSE they are subsidized by government.

                  Take away the government subsidy and watch the prices tumble. Market forces at work.

                  I've watched the U.S. government destroy medical care here. It's happened over many decades. The fruit of which, we are now enjoying.
                  Ok, but some excessively expensive drugs don't get subsidized in Au,.

                  If your kid has certain medical conditions it could cost you 100k a year, to help them.

                  Basically the parents get a second mortgage and then go on to sell their house and go for the banks until they turn them away!

                  Basically they end up financially ruined so your child will get 10 years of therapy, drugs, etc for their condition.

                  Compare that to going to visit the dolphins on a regular bases, maybe 5k, a year, and other less, insane cost, alternatives, another lets say 10k, and your child has a good quality of life and you don't go bankrupt!


                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  As much as it pains me, Shane is actually right on that one. In Australia government subsidies LOWER the costs of medicines

                  Don't make claims about another country's healthcare system by comparing it to what o that of the US, as no other country on earth has a system like the U.S.
                  YAY, at least l will start 2016 on a high.

                  Well, as long as some F*** headed kid with illegal fireworks, doesn't start a fire?

                  New years eve, are supposed to be in the mid 30, over here!

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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            No. The answer is, the parents didn't happen to catch the disease that the vaccine would have protected them from. That's the answer.

            Not every adult dies from a disease that a vaccine protects the vaccinated from. They have to catch the disease first. Even the Black Plague didn't kill half the population of Europe. Those are the ones that had kids...you know, the ones that lived.

            This is a serious question; Are you pulling our leg? I'm having a difficult time believing that your last two posts are serious.

            That's not an answer, that's just backing up your vaccination ideas.

            You're going to tell me the black plague only kills kids but not the parents that are taking care of the kids 24/7/365? You can do better than that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              That's not an answer, that's just backing up your vaccination ideas.

              You're going to tell me the black plague only kills kids but not the parents that are taking care of the kids 24/7/365? You can do better than that.
              My Friend;

              You have found my Kryptonite. I can't read illogical posts. I'm not trying to be mean here. ...but they are frustrating to me. And I don't know how to respond to them.







              There are one of two possibilities;

              !) You enjoy pulling my leg, and are laughing as you type your posts on this matter.
              2) You are not joking, and you are serious. If that's the case..I'll just have to let it go.

              Take care.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                My Friend;

                You have found my Kryptonite. I can't read illogical posts. I'm not trying to be mean here. ...but they are frustrating to me. And I don't know how to respond to them.







                There are one of two possibilities;

                !) You enjoy pulling my leg, and are laughing as you type your posts on this matter.
                2) You are not joking, and you are serious. If that's the case..I'll just have to let it go.

                Take care.

                That's ok, you wasn't there, you're not supposed to know just like the OP claim isn't realistic.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


            This is a serious question; Are you pulling our leg? I'm having a difficult time believing that your last two posts are serious.
            I think Yukon likes being a contrarian sometimes. He's gotta be pulling our leg here. Lol Just like calling that xmas letter from a Muslim "propoganda".
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        • Profile picture of the author butters
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          So what you're saying is you don't have an answer why the parents survived for so long. Don't feel bad I don't have an answer either. Maybe the parents were better looking?
          Or they didn't come into contact with a disease but their children did, just one possible way off the top of my head.
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    Well, the idea that ANYONE knows how much autism has increased for any span of time is HOGWASH! The definition now includes people that, if any doctor diagnosed them 35 years ago as autistic, the doctor would have been laughed out of the profession! So for the autism rate to stay the same, it would EASILY have to quintuple! And that might be a BIG understatement! So such things can NOT be used to determine relative safety or cause.

    That said, Mercury IS dangerous! That is a WELL KNOWN FACT! Dentists claim "amalgam", a cute vague name they give to their "amalgam" of material that INCLUDES MERCURY, is SAFE! OH REALLY? Then WHY does the AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION have STRICT guidelines on how to use it, and PACKAGE its WASTE for disposal? About the ONLY hazardous thing in it is MERCURY, and yet they treat it like it is radioactive, though they don't use lead shielding.

    As for those drugs? People are NOT afraid of mercury because it is "M.E.R.C.U.R.Y"! They are afraid of mercury because it has the element called Hg, and has its attendant toxicity. Some people decided to hide this in thimerisol, and may now be hiding it a different way. As Shakespeare once said.... "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

    As for the garbage about "Well, we got rid of polio and small pox"? ******SO WHAT*****? WHAT does that have to do with having mercury in vaccines? Funny thing! I have heard DOZENS, maybe HUNDREDS of stories about this, and NEVER heard of Mercury being an active ingredient, NEVER!

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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, the idea that ANYONE knows how much autism has increased for any span of time is HOGWASH! The definition now includes people that, if any doctor diagnosed them 35 years ago as autistic, the doctor would have been laughed out of the profession! So for the autism rate to stay the same, it would EASILY have to quintuple! And that might be a BIG understatement! So such things can NOT be used to determine relative safety or cause.

      That said, Mercury IS dangerous! That is a WELL KNOWN FACT! Dentists claim "amalgam", a cute vague name they give to their "amalgam" of material that INCLUDES MERCURY, is SAFE! OH REALLY? Then WHY does the AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION have STRICT guidelines on how to use it, and PACKAGE its WASTE for disposal? About the ONLY hazardous thing in it is MERCURY, and yet they treat it like it is radioactive, though they don't use lead shielding.

      As for those drugs? People are NOT afraid of mercury because it is "M.E.R.C.U.R.Y"! They are afraid of mercury because it has the element called Hg, and has its attendant toxicity. Some people decided to hide this in thimerisol, and may now be hiding it a different way. As Shakespeare once said.... "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

      As for the garbage about "Well, we got rid of polio and small pox"? ******SO WHAT*****? WHAT does that have to do with having mercury in vaccines? Funny thing! I have heard DOZENS, maybe HUNDREDS of stories about this, and NEVER heard of Mercury being an active ingredient, NEVER!

      Steve

      First off, autism wasn't even known all that well understood until the 1980's when the bulk of the research on it was conducted (did you know autism was once thought to be the product of bad parenting). The reason the rates shot up was people were finally able to identify it (along with discovering different types of it), thus more and more people were identified with it.



      Secondly, as per FDA order, mercury has been removed from vaccines, so the rest of your argument is old and outdated.....simply ask for Thimersol free vaccines and you are good to go.


      That being said, there are people who have various allergic reactions that shouldn't get vaccines. I just wish the medical community would actually get concerned enough to study this, and let me know who the vaccine is dangerous for and why to put this whole controversy to bed.


      If you still don't want to get vaccines, be my guest. I not exactly going to lose any sleep over it, because I'm protected, and that's all I need to be. Newsflash: Vaccines only protect those who get them.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        First off, autism wasn't even known all that well understood until the 1980's when the bulk of the research on it was conducted (did you know autism was once thought to be the product of bad parenting). The reason the rates shot up was people were finally able to identify it (along with discovering different types of it), thus more and more people were identified with it.



        Secondly, as per FDA order, mercury has been removed from vaccines, so the rest of your argument is old and outdated.....simply ask for Thimersol free vaccines and you are good to go.


        That being said, there are people who have various allergic reactions that shouldn't get vaccines. I just wish the medical community would actually get concerned enough to study this, and let me know who the vaccine is dangerous for and why to put this whole controversy to bed.


        If you still don't want to get vaccines, be my guest. I not exactly going to lose any sleep over it, because I'm protected, and that's all I need to be. Newsflash: Vaccines only protect those who get them.
        To put that to rest costs a lot of money for no return, it's a bad investment considering most get vaccinated anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          To put that to rest costs a lot of money for no return, it's a bad investment considering most get vaccinated anyway.


          Even if it's only one in one thousand, or even one million, it's still too many. Especially when they become cautionary tales for the anti vaccine movement, and more unnecessary deaths happen as a result.


          Let's stop beating around the bush, get to the bottom of what is going on, and let's end this once and for all.
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            Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

            Let's stop beating around the bush, get to the bottom of what is going on, and let's end this once and for all.

            It didn't end in the last 17 vaccination threads?

            If everyone agrees then there's no debate, no debate, no reason to start another vaccination thread. Yet here we are...
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              It didn't end in the last 17 vaccination threads?

              If everyone agrees then there's no debate, no debate, no reason to start another vaccination thread. Yet here we are...
              If only the Warrior Forum OT section could be inoculated against Vaccination threads.
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            • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              It didn't end in the last 17 vaccination threads?

              If everyone agrees then there's no debate, no debate, no reason to start another vaccination thread. Yet here we are...


              You love quoting me completely out of context don't you?
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              It didn't end in the last 17 vaccination threads?

              If everyone agrees then there's no debate, no debate, no reason to start another vaccination thread. Yet here we are...
              Just because not everyone agrees, doesn't make it a debate.

              A debate is two opposing ideas.,,,or two opposing opinions. We already have the science. The knowledge is available. It's not a matter of debate, but a matter of education. Some people know, and some people don't.

              Believe me, to the people who have done the research, these aren't debates.

              And, (I am not specifically talking about one person here), hasn't anyone noticed that these "debates" always seem to divide the same?

              The people that post rational ideas, have backgrounds in science or education, and write in well constructed sentences...seem to all be on the same "side"?

              And the few that tend to yell in their posts, use no reasoning at all, and never do the research, tend to be on the other side of the "debate"?

              When I was a kid, and my Mom took me to her church, I would ask her, "Mom,why aren't there any doctors, teachers, scientists, lawyers, or anyone with a college education here? Where do they go?",

              And when I was young, and poor, and stupid, my teenage friends and I would drive through the rich neighborhoods in the nearby city. My friends would say how lucky those rich guys were. How they must have inherited the money, or stolen it. I remember once I said, "I wonder what these people (the wealthy owners of the beautiful homes) know, that we do not?".

              So, I made it a lifelong study. Even today, if I hear a person articulate an idea that I don't agree with, I ask, "What could this person know, that I do not?" And it's served me well. Even here.

              Apparently, my New Years Resolution is to appear as pompous as possible, and treat others like dirt. So...nothing has changed.
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          • Profile picture of the author butters
            Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

            Even if it's only one in one thousand, or even one million, it's still too many. Especially when they become cautionary tales for the anti vaccine movement, and more unnecessary deaths happen as a result.


            Let's stop beating around the bush, get to the bottom of what is going on, and let's end this once and for all.
            As I said, no one will do the research because it's not profitable. There's lots of diseases we could put to rest if only they were deemed profitable, if you want it fixed, make it profitable, it's the only way.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        First off, autism wasn't even known all that well understood until the 1980's when the bulk of the research on it was conducted (did you know autism was once thought to be the product of bad parenting). The reason the rates shot up was people were finally able to identify it (along with discovering different types of it), thus more and more people were identified with it.
        The first definition(Originally just autism, then CLASSICAL AUTISM) REQUIRED that the autistic person was SUBSTANTIALLY MENTALLY IMPAIRED!

        The SECOND REQUIRED that the person was SUBSTANTIALLY FUNCTIONALLY IMPAIRED(HFA, HIGH FUNCTIONING)

        The THIRD, and relatively new, though they wrote it away in the last DSM required mostly only that the person was SOCIALLY IMPAIRED. IT was AS(Aspergers). Aspergers has been SO over used and "diagnosed", that it is LUDICROUS!

        Secondly, as per FDA order, mercury has been removed from vaccines, so the rest of your argument is old and outdated.....simply ask for Thimersol free vaccines and you are good to go.
        One can HOPE. But STILL, I am playing devils advocate here. Food is BADLY adulterated today.

        That being said, there are people who have various allergic reactions that shouldn't get vaccines. I just wish the medical community would actually get concerned enough to study this, and let me know who the vaccine is dangerous for and why to put this whole controversy to bed.
        YEAH, MOST, if not ALL vaccines come with a VERY scary warning! They say you may get the following disease:

        Guillain-Barré Syndrome Fact Sheet


        If you still don't want to get vaccines, be my guest. I not exactly going to lose any sleep over it, because I'm protected, and that's all I need to be. Newsflash: Vaccines only protect those who get them.
        Well, luckily I am vaccinated against most things, either naturally or via vaccines. BUT, as I said, WHY make this an issue? They argue that it is an issue because vaccines=mercury and mercury is harmless!

        NEWSFLASH! Vaccines NEVER equaled mercury, and mercury is NOT harmless! So if you want to get rid of the problem, simply not put mercury in it. And even having the stuff as an option is DANGEROUS!

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    A couple of questions needs to be asked here of yukon, Shane and seasoned:

    i) What medical qualifications do you have?
    ii) Where were these qualifications obtained from?

    The closest I ever got to a medical degree was passing Biology on high school, however you three seem to have gone a lot further than that. It would lend some veracity to your claims if you could inform us of what qualifications you have earned.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      A couple of questions needs to be asked here of yukon, Shane and seasoned:

      i) What medical qualifications do you have?
      ii) Where were these qualifications obtained from?
      OH, OK! So if I got a doctorate from Harvard medical school you would automatically believe me if I said that arsenic was 100% safe to eat? GEE, when I was practically a BABY I learned that prolonged exposure to temperatures a bit over 100f could lead to damage, pain, etc.... I ALSO learned that fire coud actually DESTROY some things in various ways, etc....

      But now YOU are saying I should throw all that out and blindly believe what some "teacher" might claim in class? WOW!

      OH, and I guess we have to throw our computers out the window, because they OBVIOUSLY don't work! Did YOU know that computers were originally designed by people that knew NOTHING about them? Did FARADAY know the most BASIC of electromechanical theory? NOPE! He virtually WROTE THE BOOK! Even a lot of related theories were written AFTER the fact!

      OH, and here is a REAL mind bender for you! If you HAVE to have a degree to know things, how do so many that have degrees know so little? If you have to have a degree to award one, HOW can anyone award one? Think about it! The first college was full of people that never went to college, teaching the OTHERS!

      BTW regarding mercury? I have simply read medical papers that said it was harmful, heard it in class, etc.... Want to prove me wrong? OK, how about you drink some on a video attested to by some trusted and disinterested party? HECK, try drinking a few ouces a day for a week. Let's see how things go. You can shut me up on that real quick, though I would secretly be wodering just how long you would live without ill effects. It has been shown to create a lot of potential problems, and some aren't so immediately obvious. But if you are SO danged sure! And HEY, you can have some arsenic ALSO! And YEAH, I AM upset that my state no longer allows treated wood for decks. The idea of arsenic was to limit growth of some plants in the wood, and keep insects at bay. Assuming you are right that it is harmless, I can't see why they outlawed it.

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        OH, OK! So if I got a doctorate from Harvard medical school you would automatically believe me if I said that arsenic was 100% safe to eat? GEE, when I was practically a BABY I learned that prolonged exposure to temperatures a bit over 100f could lead to damage, pain, etc.... I ALSO learned that fire coud actually DESTROY some things in various ways, etc....

        OH, and I guess we have to throw our computers out the window, because they OBVIOUSLY don't work! Did YOU know that computers were originally designed by people that knew NOTHING about them? Did FARADAY know the most BASIC of electromechanical theory? NOPE!

        HEY, you can have some arsenic ALSO! And YEAH, I AM upset that my state no longer allows treated wood for decks. The idea of arsenic was to limit growth of some plants in the wood, and keep insects at bay.

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        tHaNK yOu StEvE. I kNew wE cOUld COunT oN yOu fOr rELevAnt, uP TO dAtE inFO oN vACCinEs.
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        OH, OK! So if I got a doctorate from Harvard medical school you would automatically believe me if I said that arsenic was 100% safe to eat? GEE, when I was practically a BABY I learned that prolonged exposure to temperatures a bit over 100f could lead to damage, pain, etc.... I ALSO learned that fire coud actually DESTROY some things in various ways, etc....

        But now YOU are saying I should throw all that out and blindly believe what some "teacher" might claim in class? WOW!

        OH, and I guess we have to throw our computers out the window, because they OBVIOUSLY don't work! Did YOU know that computers were originally designed by people that knew NOTHING about them? Did FARADAY know the most BASIC of electromechanical theory? NOPE! He virtually WROTE THE BOOK! Even a lot of related theories were written AFTER the fact!

        OH, and here is a REAL mind bender for you! If you HAVE to have a degree to know things, how do so many that have degrees know so little? If you have to have a degree to award one, HOW can anyone award one? Think about it! The first college was full of people that never went to college, teaching the OTHERS!

        BTW regarding mercury? I have simply read medical papers that said it was harmful, heard it in class, etc.... Want to prove me wrong? OK, how about you drink some on a video attested to by some trusted and disinterested party? HECK, try drinking a few ouces a day for a week. Let's see how things go. You can shut me up on that real quick, though I would secretly be wodering just how long you would live without ill effects. It has been shown to create a lot of potential problems, and some aren't so immediately obvious. But if you are SO danged sure! And HEY, you can have some arsenic ALSO! And YEAH, I AM upset that my state no longer allows treated wood for decks. The idea of arsenic was to limit growth of some plants in the wood, and keep insects at bay. Assuming you are right that it is harmless, I can't see why they outlawed it.

        Steve
        You blindly believe what anyone teaches because you haven't put it into practical theory yourself. Atleast the Harvard doctor has gone through the toughest education so he has something to stand on over Google or some random scientist publishing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
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          You blindly believe what anyone teaches because you haven't put it into practical theory yourself. Atleast the Harvard doctor has gone through the toughest education so he has something to stand on over Google or some random scientist publishing.
          Lee;

          You poor deluded soul.

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          • Profile picture of the author butters
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Lee;

            You poor deluded soul.

            Remember; I tried to warn you.......I tried to save you......
            This forum took my soul a long time ago, I'm now just hoping for a short reply with no caps!!
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          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          You blindly believe what anyone teaches because you haven't put it into practical theory yourself. Atleast the Harvard doctor has gone through the toughest education so he has something to stand on over Google or some random scientist publishing.
          OH, so we have a taker? When are you going to start taking the mercury? I mean if it is harmless, it will just go right through you, RIGHT?

          And NOPE I don't just blindly believe. In cases like arsenic, lead, uranium, cadmium, etc.... I chose to believe the seemingly 100% consensus, including various diagnosed cases that match, than try it myself, because:

          1. They have no reason to lie.
          2. Trying gives me no benefit, and would likely hurt me.

          Have I ever charred my skin to the bone? NOPE! I merely CHOSE to believe. Then again, there WAS a time when a person broke into my room, my arm went against a soldering gun, and I got a nice welt on my arm. OH YEAH, it ALSO burned the carpet. So could I somehow magically not have been hurt more? MAYBE, but I chose to believe that it could have been FAR worse.

          So how many harvard grads drink mercury? I mean if they "have something to stand on"...

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    To all those parents who are anti-vaccination, I admire and respect you a great deal for standing up for the things you believe in and homeschooling your children. Clap. Clap. Clap. I never wanted to do that, so I damned near annihilated my little herd with their routine childhood vaccinations, but at least I didn't have to homeschool them.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      To all those parents who are anti-vaccination, I admire and respect you a great deal for standing up for the things you believe in and homeschooling your children. Clap. Clap. Clap. I never wanted to do that, so I damned near annihilated my little herd with their routine childhood vaccinations, but at least I didn't have to homeschool them.
      Showing your courage, to speak up like that, Suzanne. Thanks!
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    BTW SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS! OOOPS!

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      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Seems like there's some confusion about Mercury - specifically, the kind of Mercury used in vaccines. When people hear "Mercury", they automatically assume it's Methyl Mercury, which is toxic - and NOT the type of Mercury that was used in vaccines.

      Even if that weren't true, there's also the point of volume - I'd hazard a guess that most of the folks here over the age 50 have probably been exposed to far more Mercury from broken thermometers (the old fashioned kind), because when they break, the Mercury tends to vaporize (yes, Mercury has a gas form) and that's even more dangerous.

      I'm surprised that no one brought the fact that some vaccines contain trace amount of Formaldehyde! But that word "Trace", you gotta love it. The amounts of toxins vaccines expose too are so minuscule, they won't cause any harm....sheesh.

      Over our lifetimes, we're continually exposed to far more toxins in much greater volume than any vaccine ever on the market.

      NOTE: Don't take my word for it - do the research and learn for yourself

      For me? I was never vaccinated as a kid - I nearly died from the Mumps when I was 7 and pretty much had every freaking childhood disease out there. All of my kids are vaccinated, along with boosters and I wouldn't have it any other way.

      I respect every parent's right to choose to do what they think is best for their children, but I'll always choose vaccination over the risks of sick kids

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      Methylated things tend to react more quickly and in many cases, outside of potential liver damage, merely exacerbate things. Yeah, nobody claimed that mercury in small amounts was deadly. I even spoke about ounces a week. Luckily, I never dealt with a broken thermometer. There WAS an antiseptic used when I was a kid that had mercury in it. HEY, nobody seems to sell it anymore! Could the following explain why?

      Mercurochrome not 'banned,' but gone

      It ALSO mentions:

      the Mad Hatter in Lewis Carroll's "Alice in Wonderland" is said to have suffered from mercury poisoning. A mercury compound was used to treat beaver skins for hats in the 1800s, and it was common for workers in the hatting industry to acquire mercury poisoning, which affected the brain and made one a bit weird.
      There used to be a saying, "Mad as a hatter". WHY? Because Mercury was used to treat felt and furs and DID make them mad(an English term also meaning CRAZY). I believe that PREDATES alice and wonderland, and alice and wonderland DID tend to emphasize characteristics of the characters. The HATTERs characteristic, and ONLY one of note, was that he was crazy. Had that characteristic not existed, the story would have been a bit different.

      BTW the smaller a creature is, the more effect a small toxin will have. Babies and fetuses are pretty small!

      YEAH, today mercury is used in MANY things! SO WHAT? Did YOU know that LEAD, CADMIUM, NICKLE, and ARSENIC, which are ALL ADMITTEDLY TOXIC, are in FOOD and childrens toys? WHY? LOTS of reasons! For one, china has industrial pollution they want to get rid of! By doing this, weight and some stats go up so they are paid more, and we take their garbage! They ALSO put malamine in pet food for the SAME reason. You SERIOUSLY think some US companies don't do the same?

      BESIDES, science is an EVOLVING field! Do you REALLY think College teaches EVERYTHING? ******NO WAY******! At the BEST, they teach a small FRACTION of what was deemed to be relevant to the field perhaps YEARS ago! It changes perhaps every DAY! Maybe even every SECOND! And what was believed to be FACT even decades ago is sometimes found to be worthless garbage.

      Ever see medical mysteries? Some of the information was known and documented HUNDREDS of years ago, together with simple effective cures. But few doctors know about it because the colleges don't teach it, and many medical books don't speak about it, because it is found to not be relevant.

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    Everything is unsafe if taken in unsafe quantities. Water included.
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  • Profile picture of the author HelpingYouBeAnExpert
    I know 2 people who are crippled that got vaccines as adults in the military. Could be just the unlucky ones!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    They took the thermisol out of vacs for young kids back in 2005 in reaction to about 37 studies that showed a definite autism/mercury link. They aren't supposed to give young kids any of them WITH the mercury in them...........but you have to make sure it doesn't happen.

    Unfortunately - it wasn't just mercury that has a brain link. Vacs also contain nagalase. They are working on a filter, but that is something that nobody of any age should have.

    You might want to look up nagalase - it's an enzyme and it suppresses the immune system and is also linked to autism (people with autism have suppressed immune systems, too).

    If you've had a vac you can help turn the effects of nagalase around with bovine colostrum. The best way to take that (you can get supplements - is to make some homemade organic yogurt and add the colostrum to the yogurt then eat that for a few days. It doesn't help to have a vac for one thing if it's going to break your immune system and let you catch anything else you come in contact with.
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