Doing This Could Change Your Fortunes For The Better

by mustafavanancio

Posted: 8 years ago 38 replies

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Hey Warriors,

Have you ever thought about the kind of people that visit this forum?

What do most of the members on this forum consist of?

Buyers and sellers right?

Is it possible that even some of the sellers might be potential buyers of what you have to offer at some point?

Another thing to think about is the lifetime value of a client.

Let's say you land a client via this forum and you offer a good service. How many times are they likely to buy from you again? How much could a good quality client be worth to you over a few years or even a lifetime?

How different would we treat and speak to a potential customer if we knew that this person has the potential to become a repeat customer for life?

Yet we see some people talking to potential lifetime customers here in the most condescending of ways.

If someone asks for help why do we criticize instead of helping?

Is it really necessary to attack a potential customer's character when you hardly know anything about them?

How is that going to help a potential future customer of yours?

Why do we talk about every other thing apart from they question they asked in the first place?

Isn't it time we made a bit of an effort to be a bit more helpful to those who ask for help?

Just some things to think about.

Your thoughts are welcome.

#change #fortunes

DURABLEOILCOM

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

I have been noticing a large amounts of trolls on the forum that constantly seek to belittle and harass Warriors looking for help.

If you have zero intentions of helping why bother posting an abusive post?

No one ever started Internet Marketing knowing everything about the business.

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM

Yes, this has been the case for a while.

I've been visiting this forum for a number of years and although it's been a while since I was personally attacked for trying to help someone I was just wondering why some people need to resort to such methods.

How far is it going to get them?

Does it make them look professional or could it put a potential client off from dealing with them in the future?

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salegurus

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

Hey Warriors,

Have you ever thought about the kind of people that visit this forum?

Trust me all the time, especially lately...

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

it possible that even some of the sellers might be potential buyers of what you have to offer at some point?

Yes it is possible but only if you are in the MMO market...

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

we see some people talking to potential lifetime customers here in the most condescending of ways.

Yes there is some of that but remember not everyone is here trying to pimp their latest and greatest MMO success story...Also, thank goodness that there are still people left on this forum who will call BS if they see it...

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

someone asks for help why do we criticize instead of helping?

There are always going to be hopeless cases, people with no clue and no hope of making a dime online... That does not mean going around criticizing is right but a lot of people here need a wakeup call...

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

Isn't it time we made a bit of an effort to be a bit more helpful to those who ask for help?

There are many many people giving great advice on this forum day in and day out, people who know what they are talking about not those who answer every thread with rubbish just to pimp their sig...
This is not a perfect world my Friend, if you get offended too easily how are you going to cope with Life's sledge hammer beating down on you?

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by salegurus

Trust me all the time, especially lately...

Yes it is possible but only if you are in the MMO market...

Yes there is some of that but remember not everyone is here trying to pimp their latest and greatest MMO success story...Also, thank goodness that there are still people left on this forum who will call BS if they see it...

There are always going to be hopeless cases, people with no clue and no hope of making a dime online... That does not mean going around criticizing is right but a lot of people here need a wakeup call...

There are many many people giving great advice on this forum day in and day out, people who know what they are talking about not those who answer every thread with rubbish just to pimp their sig...

This is not a perfect world my Friend, if you get offended too easily how are you going to cope with Life's sledge hammer beating down on you?

As a "Saleguru" you must have heard of the phrase, "ABS or ABC", whichever you prefer. Does that ring a bell at all?

If so, signatures are an indication that you have something to offer. A lack of a signature doesn't make someone any less of a person but it can be a sign of inactivity.

It might not be a perfect world but does that mean we have to turn a blind eye to all the haters, especially the ones that don't add any value?

Maybe some people can turn a blind eye, but I personally do not accept hating from people who have nothing of value to offer.

I am not a newbie by any means nor am I inexperienced in the challenges of life. I've had my fair share of ups and downs believe me. I could write a book on it but it doesn't mean I have to take negativity from people who lack basic respect towards other human beings.

BTW I do acknowledge that there are a lot of people on here giving great advice. This post was not directed at those who are genuinely trying to help. It was directed at the haters who are not helping themselves every time they reply with sarcasm and criticism instead of helping. Peace!

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lgibbon

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

Maybe some people can turn a blind eye, but I personally do not accept hating from people who have nothing of value to offer.

Says the person that hasn't even been here 2 weeks yet,
but is already telling us how the forum should be run.
If you don't like it here, no one is making you stay.

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Kay King

8 years ago

Have a look on my home page via my signature link below this post.

I don't know what it is with some people. Instead of offering some practical advice and just answering the question that was asked of the OP, they instead decide to RIP you apart and make all sorts of judgements which can be completely wrong in some cases.

Who exactly are you or Rory to be judging how clever or experienced we think we are?

Just because people are sitting in the safety of their home behind a computer doesn't give them a right to be judgemental or put down people's efforts when they haven't offered a single practical piece of advice themselves.

You shouldn't be judging us for what we post either because we were not replying to advice that you personally requested. I was replying to the OP so for you to come in and start questioning our experience or how smart we think we are is a bit disrespectful and out of place.

Would you care to enlighten us on what makes you an expert

What specific practical advice did you offer the OP to help him understand exactly what to test?

After "years" of lurking (and taking without giving anything back, by the way) you join and immediately start blasting away at experienced, long term members.

You want to brag that 8 people have "thanked" you? Seriously?

If you want to be only positive and helpful, etc - by all means post answers to every question asked. That's fine.

It's not good to continue to post negative comments about the answers others give. What they say is none of your business EXCEPT in a thread like this that YOU started.

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Seems to be the new normal. People join and start lecturing and complaining about the advice/comments of others.

They resent being seen as "new " or inexperienced on this forum - so they claim they've been visiting here for YEARS. Of course, they didn't join - haven't contributed anything - haven't helped anyone.

...but they want to tell everyone else what is and is not acceptable here.

Give me a break!

The OP's "helpful" posts have often been nothing more than "you could this or that" - "that might work or maybe not" and repeatedly touting his own expertise. Mostly he has repeatedly posted complaints about what others have posted...like the comments below randomly taken from 6-7 of his posts...

After "years" of lurking (and taking without giving anything back, by the way) you join and immediately start blasting away at experienced, long term members.

You want to brag that 8 people have "thanked" you? Seriously?

If you want to be only positive and helpful, etc - by all means post answers to every question asked. That's fine.

It's not good to continue to post negative comments about the answers others give. What they say is none of your business EXCEPT in a thread like this that YOU started.

Did I mention anyone in particular?

Why are you taking it so personally unless what I said relates to you in some way?

I am not bragging about helping people or being thanked. I simply mentioned it because it appears that some people are suggesting that I haven't been helpful.

How do you know about how much I've helped people on this forum in the past? Just because I haven't advertised it doesn't mean I haven't helped people behind the scenes.

Thanks for your comments anyway. I'll surely take it on board and this thread will stay right here unless the mods decide otherwise. If someone makes a negative comment without any good reason on a public forum I can comment as I wish just like you've just done.

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- mustafavanancio 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lgibbon
  
  Spot on Kay according to this page:
  
  Oh that's nice.
  
  So you've found a bit of info and you think you can make judgements about me?
  
  You must have a lot of time on your hands.
  
  Isn't that a bit low?
  
  You're just living up to the behaviour that I described in my original post.
  
  Why don't you post your personal details here as well Mr Leslie Gibbon instead of hiding behind this profile of yours?
  
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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

Says the person that hasn't even been here 2 weeks yet,
but is already telling us how the forum should be run.
If you don't like it here, no one is making you stay.

I've been visiting The Warrior Forum for almost 4 years now. I've only just registered.

I've seen what goes on but it seems nothing has changed much.

If you want to understand how people communicate with each other in a professional manner you should try joining LinkedIn. You will see none of the negativity there that you see here.

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lgibbon

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

If you want to understand how people communicate with each other in a professional manner you should try joining LinkedIn. You will see none of the negativity there that you see here.

I'm quite happy here thank you.
Maybe you should return to LinkedIn and we'll all be happy.

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I'm quite happy here thank you.
Maybe you should return to LinkedIn and we'll all be happy.

Oh that's nice to know.

I kinda like it here now. It would be a shame to leave so soon. Especially when things are just getting warmed up.

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JohnMcCabe

8 years ago

Mustafa, I have a feeling I might be, in part at least, the inspiration behind this post. I had a problem with a post asking a question that couldn't be answered. Another experienced member questioned the qualifications of the OP, and you leapt to his defense. Given your short history (officially, anyway), I lumped the two of you together.

I believed that we had that sorted out. Do we?

If you check my posting history, which could take awhile, you'll find that in the main I am supportive and helpful. You'll also find that I don't believe in blowing sunshine up anyone's skirt just to make them feel better. I don't gladly suffer fools.

In the thread where we got crossways of each other, the OP was supposedly selling professional marketing advice and services to another business. Yet the questions he's been asking are not in line with someone who knows whereof he speaks. For example, picking out two sites, obviously not his own, and asking which one would convert better.

He's messing with businesses other people use to support themselves and likely employees as well. To me, it's very similar to "marketers" selling quack cures for real illnesses or conditions. Those quack cures could endanger someone's life, not just their income.

And while you tried to defend him, he never actually answered my doubts about him. He simply devolved to calling me an idiot.

As the Bard wrote, "methinks he doth protest too much." (The OP in that thread, not you.)

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

I didn't mention anyone by name so please don't take it personally.

People need to understand what being professional is.

So far the people out of the people who have replied to this post it appears only 2 understand what it means to act in a professional manner.

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Kay King

8 years ago

You seem rather thin skinned for someone so quick to criticize others.

Here's what I see that doesn't make sense:

The most professional interaction on this forum is found in the Copywriting section. If you've been "lurking for years" - you already know that.

You have positioned yourself as an experienced copywriter - have a copywriting site to promote - claim a high level of knowledge/training....

Yet you have not posted in the Copywriting section even once since you joined. Why is that?

So far the people out of the people who have replied to this post it appears only 2 understand what it means to act in a professional manner.

That would be two people who agreed with you? splorf

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Oh so I'm thin skinned now?

You guys are attacking me personally when I did not mention any of you by name.

Thanks for the compliment anyway.

Why do I have to join the Copywriting forum?

Is there some rule that says I have to join it to prove my experience?

I find it more beneficial to post in the main forum. That's where my target audience is.

I already network with experienced Copywriters on other platforms.

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onSubie

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

Have you ever thought about the kind of people that visit this forum?

What do most of the members on this forum consist of?

Buyers and sellers right?

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

Just out of curiosity why do you think Warrior Forum is not like it used to be and why have people left Warrior Forum?

The change in ownership started a quick drop in WF rankings and good Tier 1 traffic before most users left.

Once the quality traffic from WF dropped the market was not as lucrative so many sellers left.

Many did not leave 100%.

The WSO section is still used as a selling platform and for sales landing pages. But a lot of that traffic is now driven directly to specific WSO offers from PPC and/or email lists. Fewer WSO's get announced or discussed in the main forum compared to only a few years ago.

Really look at the WF traffic stats and make-up of the majority of active members. It is not nearly as lucrative a market as it was before.

Brent Stangel is one of the few (good) Warriors who is still actively promoting his business in his posts and signature while helping others.

A lot of Warriors use signatures but Brent is one of the few still working it old school. Most of us sarcastic *******s don't even bother with signatures... lol

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

I've been visiting The Warrior Forum for almost 4 years now. I've only just registered.

Oh, now I see what people were talking about...

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by onSubie

Not so many buyers anymore. This is one of the main reasons (overlooked by many) that people left the forum.

People will complain about the community and about member behaviour. They will lament the "good old" days and fear of "change".

But they won't leave if there are active buyers in the market. Most of the best members who left made a lot of money selling to WF. They were engaged users and gave help because it helped them reach and build a relationship with their market.

There is a reason so few $100/day banners are appearing at the top of the forum. You used to have to wait in line for a spot to open up in order to get your $100 banner approved. Now they are begging for advertisers. There just are not as many buyers here.

It is no longer worth the time/effort to participate in WF for the ROI on that time and effort for many marketers and former Warriors. So they left.

The change in ownership started a quick drop in WF rankings and good Tier 1 traffic before most users left.

Once the quality traffic from WF dropped the market was not as lucrative so many sellers left.

Many did not leave 100%.

The WSO section is still used as a selling platform and for sales landing pages. But a lot of that traffic is now driven directly to specific WSO offers from PPC and/or email lists. Fewer WSO's get announced or discussed in the main forum compared to only a few years ago.

Really look at the WF traffic stats and make-up of the majority of active members. It is not nearly as lucrative a market as it was before.

Brent Stangel is one of the few (good) Warriors who is still actively promoting his business in his posts and signature while helping others.

A lot of Warriors use signatures but Brent is one of the few still working it old school. Most of us sarcastic *******s don't even bother with signatures... lol

Oh, now I see what people were talking about...

Well, thank you for taking the time to explain.

If you want to know what being professional is. Take a lesson from this guy. You might learn a thing or two.

BTW I'm not so sure I agree with you about WF not being so lucrative anymore.

I've read that some people have picked up some very good clients off this forum by acting professional, not childish.

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Regional Warrior

8 years ago

I will put my hand up and say yes I have written some not so good replys , but here is where you are wrong , this forum now is nothing like it used to be and never will be because of the members that have left.

Also you have too understand the amount of idiots who post the same type of thread and don't want to use the search tab OH and they want you to write down all ways on how to make $$$ and can you do it for them!

Then their are the ones who have been here for over 4 years and all they do is ask questions but never reply in the threads more the fact just like this thread to spam there signature! as Sales Guru wrote we can spot the BS miles away BTW wait till you meet Princess Snarky...!

Funny part is no one will give a bugger not like the old days as this thread would have been nuked by now.

And like they say if you put Shit in and you get Shit out !

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Jill Carpenter

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

If so, signatures are an indication that you have something to offer. A lack of a signature doesn't make someone any less of a person but it can be a sign of inactivity.

Signature doesn't mean diddly do da day - and not having one a lot of times is a sign of greater activity outside of the MMO niche.

Is it really necessary to attack a potential customer's character when you hardly know anything about them?

How is that going to help a potential future customer of yours?

They are not my future customer.

Based on what I've just seen in your sig, I am not your future customer and you are not mine either (just to get that out of the way). It's a big web out there.

Doing This Could Change Your Fortunes For The Better

Doing what? Blindly not quickly identifying my future customers and wasting time on those who are just spamming or have no fire under their own a$$ to use the search features?

Paying too much attention to things that I don't believe will go anywhere will not change my fortunes for the better.

Not everyone is here for the sake of future customer/client getting.

I'm not here to woo people into some magical trance so they all want to give me their money.

I am here to learn things for myself, network with those I do like, and provide useful information on subjects I have studied or have some knowledge of.

I'm not afraid if what I post turns some people off. They are not my clients then. If they really want what I have to offer they will look past that and make decisions for their business based on business based decisions not emotion based decisions.

Let me tell you quick story of something I saw just this last week. There is someone here who I don't particularly care for as to his bedside matter posting here in the main forum. He however had an offer in the WSO's which I stumbled across and came really close to getting that offer as I was considering if it could help my business. Didn't matter that I don't like the guy one bit. This particular offer was something I was confident he knew what he was doing with.

Don't be so quick to judge those who you think are too judgmental of others.

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

Signature doesn't mean diddly do da day - and not having one a lot of times is a sign of greater activity outside of the MMO niche.

You're entitled to your opinion.

They are not my future customer.

Based on what I've just seen in your sig, I am not your future customer and you are not mine either (just to get that out of the way). It's a big web out there.

Thanks for getting that out of the way.

So you've never got any clients from Warrior Forum ever?

I'm not afraid if what I post turns some people off. They are not my clients then. If they really want what I have to offer they will look past that and make decisions for their business based on business based decisions not emotion based decisions.

Let me tell you quick story of something I saw just this last week. There is someone here who I don't particularly care for as to his bedside matter posting here in the main forum. He however had an offer in the WSO's which I stumbled across and came really close to getting that offer as I was considering if it could help my business. Didn't matter that I don't like the guy one bit. This particular offer was something I was confident he knew what he was doing with.

Don't be so quick to judge those who you think are too judgmental of others.

That's an interesting story and I'm glad he didn't put you off.

As for a judging goes I wasn't the first one to do the judging.

I think a lot the people who seem to have taken this post personally have misunderstood what I said originally.

Maybe you should try reading a bit more carefully instead of getting emotional.

I'm not going to repeat myself. Everything I said is there for people to read.

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discrat

8 years ago

LOL

I think we are just proving the OP's original assertions with the responses in here

I don't know this Poster and the fact that he only has been here for 2 weeks is moot.

If Mark Cuban came in here with only 2 days under his belt are we going to say the same thing ?
Of course not.

My point is to not be presumptuous about people you do not know.

Remember, there are extraordinarily wealthy Online Marketers who have NEVER stepped foot in here .

For all I know the OP could be one.

I have seen stranger things.

Bottom Line : He states his views reasonably well and with some form of diligence..so why not give him the benefit of the doubt ?

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

LOL

I think we are just proving the OP's original assertions with the responses in here

You might learn a thing or two about being professional from this guy too.

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discrat 8 years ago

Hey mustavo,
I feel where you are coming from. I can be sharp at times. This is usually towards people who are the ones that exhibit poor behavior here at WF or the people that just keep asking the same questions over and over again

but

for the most part I try to stick with the Golden Rule.

A lot of times you will see long time members making 'seemingly' condescending remarks. But many times you may not know the history and the context of these remarks.

For instance, there is a select few who come on here every now and then and because of their past behavior of being constant trolls, I might be a little impatient with my tone with them.

But if you didn't know the history of these Warrior Forum members and the shenanigans they have pulled in the past, you might look at me as being condescending.

When in essence I am just trying to give them a little tough love

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Regional Warrior

I wasn't expecting people to be so honest but hey that's fine with me.

Just out of curiosity why do you think Warrior Forum is not like it used to be and why have people left Warrior Forum?

I can understand some of your frustrations and I have seen some of that myself but by replying with sarcasm and negativity will it make you appear professional or do you not care how you appear on a public forum?

As for your comment about my signature, I'd understand if it came from someone without a signature but since you also have a link to some website on your profile I could question why you're on this forum too, couldn't I?

BTW Out of the 25 posts I've written so far there are only four where I haven't offered some kind of practical help. If my posts are as bad as some people think then why are people thanking me and referring to me by name out of all the other people to reply to their posts?

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Jill Carpenter

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

I wasn't expecting people to be so honest but hey that's fine with me.

So you expect everyone to be guarded and deceptive? Tell me more.

Just out of curiosity why do you think Warrior Forum is not like it used to be and why have people left Warrior Forum?

Could be lots of reasons. New ownership using different tactics to attract a different kind of traffic?

I can understand some of your frustrations and I have seen some of that myself but by replying with sarcasm and negativity will it make you appear professional or do you not care how you appear on a public forum?

I can only be me. If we met in person, I may display some of the same characteristics in person. I'm not going to hide behind a mask and be all touchy feely here for the sake of gaining some kind of reputation that is not truly representative of who I am.

I can be a nice person too.

I don't wake up in the morning with the intent to be sarcastic and/or negative. It's the actions of others that bring that out in me.

Being that this forum is for people 18 and older, I have to say I do expect some level of common sense and education.

I'm no ones "mommy" and as discrat mentioned above - sometimes "tough love" seems appropriate.

I'm not going to sugar coat things.

As for your comment about my signature, I'd understand if it came from someone without a signature but since you also have a link to some website on your profile I could question why you're on this forum too, couldn't I?

BTW Out of the 24 posts I've written so far this one is the only one where I haven't offered some kind of practical help. If my posts are as bad as some people think then why are people thanking me and referring to me by name out of all the other people to reply to their posts?

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Let us all bow to you and your wealth of knowledge.
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Jill Carpenter

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

It would be a shame to leave so soon. Especially when things are just getting warmed up.

Sarcasm or troll alert?

Hmmm.

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Jill Carpenter

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

I've been visiting The Warrior Forum for almost 4 years now. I've only just registered.

I've seen what goes on but it seems nothing has changed much.

You may need to see an eye doctor.

There has been MASSIVE change in here over the course of the last 4 years.

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mustafavanancio 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

You may need to see an eye doctor.

There has been MASSIVE change in here over the course of the last 4 years.

You mean the takeover by Freelancer and the cleaning up of some of the trash.
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Jill Carpenter

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

Oh that's nice.

So you've found a bit of info and you think you can make judgements about me?

You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Isn't that a bit low?

You're just living up to the behaviour that I described in my original post.

Why don't you post your personal details here as well Mr Leslie Gibbon instead of hiding behind this profile of yours?

You call that low. I call that due diligence.

I'm confident he makes his judgements about people based on his years of observation and his ability to look for information.

(another vote for the importance of knowing how to use the freaking search options)

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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

To me that is low because he's getting personal when I didn't mention him or anyone by name.

Just because he dislikes what I said he thinks its acceptable to post my details on a public forum. If he thinks he's a man then let him publish his personal details here as well to even the playing field.

Btw public records cannot tell you everything about a person so judging me by a few tidbits of information you Google search doesn't mean a thing.

The more people like Mr Leslie Gibbons do childish things like that the more you live up to the type of person I was describing in my OP. Too much time on your hands and not enough positive things to do with it.

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Jill Carpenter

8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

To me that is low because he's getting personal when I didn't mention him or anyone by name.

Just because he dislikes what I said he thinks its acceptable to post my details on a public forum. If he thinks he's man then let him publish his personal details here as well.

Btw public records cannot tell you everything about a person so judging me by a few tidbits of information you Google search doesn't mean a thing.

The more you do childish things like that the more you live up to the type of person I was describing in my OP. Too much time on your hands and not enough positive things to do with it.

Feel free to continue making a fool of yourself if you wish.

Haha.

You started this.This is about you and your ideas of what you consider to be professional conduct and how everyone should treat everyone else on this forum.

Some of your personal details are important to some of the rest of us in determining what authority you may actually have and attempting to understand where you are coming from.

He doesn't need to give you outside links. He's got a long enough track record on this forum to read back through and see what he is about.

We all have the choice to agree or disagree - and take it or leave it.

Your confession that you were surprised in the honesty of the answers somehow doesn't sit right with me. Tells me you are expecting a great deal of dishonesty. And typically that comes from people who are dishonest.

Everything you write on this forum is up for scrutiny - just as everything I write is too.

His action that you refer to as "childish" is not seen as childish by me.

Anyone can claim to be anyone online. For all you know that is not my real picture - until you do some searching. For all you know I could be a man - until you do some searching.

Looking for discrepancies on what information can be gathered in order to make the best decisions is just one of the things one has to do when making some business decisions.

You can't expect everyone to take you at face value.

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Jill Carpenter 8 years ago

Originally Posted by mustafavanancio

I find it more beneficial to post in the main forum. That's where my target audience is.

This is very telling of your intentions here.

Thank you for clearing that up with us.
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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

Why are you people so bothered about what I'm claiming to be?

Why are you making this personal? If you're going to get so personal then at least have the guts to share the same persona information that you are sinking so low to publish of others.

If you want to know more about me, look on LinkedIn.

I've been registered there longer than I have here.

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Kay King 8 years ago

That's where my target audience is.

...exactly. It's about positioning yourself - not about contributing to others.

Right or wrong - that's the perception some of us have at this point.
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- mustafavanancio 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  ...exactly. It's about positioning yourself - not about contributing to others.
  
  Right or wrong - that's the perception some of us have at this point.
  
  I'm sorry but you're wrong again.
  
  I believe I am doing both.
  
  I offered help right from the beginning.
  
  Have a look at all my posts.
  
  Take off your negative lens and trying using your positive ones instead.
  
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mustafavanancio 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

Sarcasm or troll alert?

Hmmm.

Don't worry.

I'll be hanging around a little bit longer.

I dislike trolls myself.
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mustafavanancio

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

So you expect everyone to be guarded and deceptive? Tell me more.

Could be lots of reasons. New ownership using different tactics to attract a different kind of traffic?

I can only be me. If we met in person, I may display some of the same characteristics in person. I'm not going to hide behind a mask and be all touchy feely here for the sake of gaining some kind of reputation that is not truly representative of who I am.

I can be a nice person too.

Well thank you for being so kind.

Isn't it nice when people make an effort?

If only we had more people like you the world would be a better place.

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lgibbon Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Regional Warrior

this forum now is nothing like it used to be and never will be because of the members that have left.

Nothing to do with people that have left.
The biggest problem is from those arriving.
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