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I've been seriously thinking about adopting Mac or Joseph.

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Joseph is a deep thinker. He considers all rational options, and devises a plan. Obviously, here he is going for a pensive look, to establish his cerebral approach to life.

Mac is an idiot. Unlike his brother, he believes in luck, auras, destiny, and considers it a victory, when he swallows his food, without choking to death. What a disappointment. He is an embarrassment to his brother Joseph.

I'm thinking of adopting Joseph, because I can imagine the deep philosophical discussions we will have.

I'm thinking of adopting Mac, because I'm pretty sure I can beat him in checkers.


Thoughts?
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I hope they do a background check.
      They do. When I told them that I was a psychopath. They recommended Joseph.

      Last week, two of the volunteers at the Shelter were murdered. They found the knife in Joseph's cage.

      After hours of interrogation, he hasn't talked...or even changed expression.

      Mac is still convinced it was all a dream.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        They do. When I told them that I was a psychopath. They recommended Joseph.

        Last week, two of the volunteers at the Shelter were murdered. They found the knife in Joseph's cage.

        After hours of interrogation, he hasn't talked...or even changed expression.

        Mac is still convinced it was all a dream.

        Do they know about the black cat incident?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          2 cats are fun - and will entertain/play with each other.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Adopt both and you will have the best of all worlds. We have always had 2 cats, 3 is too many. As long as they like each other they will keep each other company and you wont have to play string on a pole so much. they will exhaust themselves chasing each other in the 50 seconds it takes a cat to become tired out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Adopt both and you will have the best of all worlds. We have always had 2 cats, 3 is too many. As long as they like each other they will keep each other company and you wont have to play string on a pole so much. they will exhaust themselves chasing each other in the 50 seconds it takes a cat to become tired out.
        That was my only real question. I only want one cat, but I was wondering if it is traumatic in any way to be separated from its brother. I wouldn't think so, but I don't know.


        It may be hard to sell my wife on the idea of 2 cats.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          That was my only real question. I only want one cat, but I was wondering if it is traumatic in any way to be separated from its brother. I wouldn't think so, but I don't know.

          It may be hard to sell my wife on the idea of 2 cats.
          If they aren't caged together at the shelter, I doubt that it would be at all traumatic to be separated from its brother. If your wife can't be talked into two, one will do just fine. I like them both, but I also like all of the other cats on the page, so it's really which one you connect with the most.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            If they aren't caged together at the shelter, I doubt that it would be at all traumatic to be separated from its brother. If your wife can't be talked into two, one will do just fine. I like them both, but I also like all of the other cats on the page, so it's really which one you connect with the most.

            Yeah, they were listed as rescued strays. That could mean anything from feral to completely tame. We'll probably pick out a cat (or not) and then buy everything we need, and then go back and pick up the cat.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          That was my only real question. I only want one cat, but I was wondering if it is traumatic in any way to be separated from its brother. I wouldn't think so, but I don't know.

          It may be hard to sell my wife on the idea of 2 cats.
          FWIW, the cats we have rescued seemed to be very well pleased just to be out of the cage and in a home.

          I have separated brothers many times (my own litters) and the singles I kept grew up to be great cats. When I have had older cats lose their only sibling (and good buddy) the cat left seemed to miss them for maybe a month or so...and then they filled the void up with another companion or something else. The last time that happened to us it was me the cat chose as a companion, and I must say it's almost like having a good dog around in many ways.

          This is the cat I am talking about and he is now my greatest cat buddy...the brother he lost was Super Duper shown in my previous post.

          Fizzle Dizzle aka: Chicken Worm

          As a kitten...



          How he looks now...



          Best of luck.

          Cheers

          -don
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        ... you wont have to play string on a pole so much.

        He might not give up pornhub.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          then definitely remove the claw nails
          I never do this - and we have three indoor cats with natural claws and no marks on the furniture. They use scratching posts.

          When you declaw a cat it's like removing the first joint of your fingers and extremely painful for the animal.

          I know there are people who feel they have to declaw and given a choice of no home for the cat or that surgery...I understand. But few people realize how traumatic declawing is.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I never do this - and we have three indoor cats with natural claws and no marks on the furniture. They use scratching posts.

            When you declaw a cat it's like removing the first joint of your fingers and extremely painful for the animal.

            I know there are people who feel they have to declaw and given a choice of no home for the cat or that surgery...I understand. But few people realize how traumatic declawing is.
            I suppose there are some pros and cons to this argument but if a cat is to be exclusively indoors then they will have no reason to sharpen their nails. We have always let our cats be indoor and outdoor ones so never done it. If they have it done it must be very early on in their lives.

            I would also ask if your cats are let outdoors as well, less likely to scratch stuff indoors if they do it outside
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I never do this - and we have three indoor cats with natural claws and no marks on the furniture. They use scratching posts.

            When you declaw a cat it's like removing the first joint of your fingers and extremely painful for the animal.

            I know there are people who feel they have to declaw and given a choice of no home for the cat or that surgery...I understand. But few people realize how traumatic declawing is.
            That's right. Lots of people think it's just like when we cut our fingernails. No, it's like cutting off fingers.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              That's right. Lots of people think it's just like when we cut our fingernails. No, it's like cutting off fingers.

              How do you know?

              I've had 2 cats years ago both declawed, both never acted like they were in pain. The bandage/tape was awkward for them, like when a cat walks in the snow.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                How do you know?

                I've had 2 cats years ago both declawed, both never acted like they were in pain. The bandage/tape was awkward for them, like when a cat walks in the snow.
                How do I know what declawing is?


                Let me think......Well, I've had several cats over the decades...

                And I know how to use Google.

                Like this;

                What You Need To Know About Declawing - Declawing.com
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  How do I know what declawing is?


                  Let me think......Well, I've had several cats over the decades...

                  And I know how to use Google.

                  Like this;

                  What You Need To Know About Declawing - Declawing.com



                  I get it now, you're part of the internet herd.

                  You're acting like declawing a cat is torture for the animal yet your last comment suggest you still went ahead & did it for decades, lmao.

                  That's just mean.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    I get it now, you're part of the internet herd.

                    You're acting like declawing a cat is torture for the animal yet your last comment suggest you still went ahead & did it for decades, lmao.

                    That's just mean.
                    No. It suggests that I've had cats over the last several decades.

                    It also suggests that I am not an idiot. That is not what your reply suggests, however.

                    I still think you are pulling our leg. I think I would have to meet you in person to be convinced otherwise.


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                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      No. It suggests that I've had cats over the last several decades.

                      It also suggests that I am not an idiot. That is not what your reply suggests, however.

                      I still think you are pulling our leg. I think I would have to meet you in person to be convinced otherwise.


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                      So now all of a sudden you don't know (No, it's like cutting off fingers.)?

                      Which Claude am I chatting with now?









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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                        So now all of a sudden you don't know (No, it's like cutting off fingers.)?

                        Which Claude am I chatting with now?
                        Again, I think you are joking.

                        Riffle purposely misunderstands my posts, because he knows it's irritating to me.

                        But then, I also see sane intelligent posts from him, so I know when he's joking.
                        But you are completely consistent. Literally, every comment on one of my posts is a mismatch to what I said. I have to assume you think it's funny. But I don't see the sensible posts to compare it to.

                        And you have told me before that you are serious, but I can't believe that.

                        You are a genuine mystery to me.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Again, I think you are joking.

                          Riffle purposely misunderstands my posts, because he knows it's irritating to me.

                          But then, I also see sane intelligent posts from him, so I know when he's joking.
                          But you are completely consistent. Literally, every comment on one of my posts is a mismatch to what I said. I have to assume you think it's funny. But I don't see the sensible posts to compare it to.

                          And you have told me before that you are serious, but I can't believe that.

                          You are a genuine mystery to me.


                          At least you're consistent avoiding the original question.

                          Searching Google & jumping on the humans are evil internet bandwagon aren't proof declawing a cat is inhumane. It would have required a lot less text to simply say you was blowing smoke.

                          Maybe search Google for internet acronyms, that might help with some of your confusion.

                          Tip: Memes are typically LOLs (again, Google it).
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                            Adopt both.

                            You will have someone to play with at your own level,


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                            and Joseph.


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                              Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                              Adopt both.

                              You will have someone to play with at your own level,


                              ...



                              and Joseph.


                              Joe Mobley


                              That's very generous.

                              Wait until they show him how to chase a red laser dot on the floor.









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                          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                            Here's an article from a vet on the subject of de-clawing. This is more against the practice but there are mitigating circumstances, like you want to keep the cat but it destroys the furniture regardless.

                            Some cats do this, some don't. We have had cats in our family for my whole life. Some ignore the scratching posts completely.

                            Cutting a cat's claws with clippers at home is difficult and painful for the cat. There is a device that we bought that claims to not cause much pain but holding the cat and doing it is another thing entirely.

                            Is Cat Declawing Wrong? | The Controversy of Declaw Cat | petMD
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                            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                              We also need to get on to the controversial subject of the kitty litter tray, which is the best one to buy and use. Two adult cats using one is not always easy. We have two cats and one stays outside a lot so does her business there. The other comes back into use the tray, will not go outside. But, occasionally the outside one gets stuck indoors and I think reluctantly uses it but sometimes pee's around it a bit as if in protest at it being used by the other. We have a rubber mat underneath it for spills and de-smell spray. (we have a glass panelled back door so no cat flap)

                              As to the box itself, we have tried them all aside from the expensive ones that uses crystals to soak up the deposits or the full sized thing that auto cleans the litter and has a toilet type outlet underneath it, real expensive.

                              The ones that rake through the litter are crap, poop gets stuck to the rake and when you try to remove the disposable plastic container where the poop goes you get soiled litter fly up in your face.

                              Went through two of them.

                              So we are left with the simple plastic tray which should be large, especially for two. Initially you may think only to fill it up with litter (a couple of inches) and scoop out the clumps every day or so. That is until the litter is saturated and you have to do the dreaded complete change! This, when you empty it, you will find loads stuck to the bottom so you have to put a pressure hose to it to minimise finger touching the yukky leftovers. (not to mention the fact that there is urine underneath the box)

                              So then you come across the Jumbo sized (it must be oversized large) drawstring bag liner to line the box with, and over the sides to the ground. That way you think You will just scoop daily and change the bag once a week, Pulling all the the litter with it, never touching it, simple, easy and clean. Just put a new one in and fill her up.

                              The real life practice is that your too tight to buy lots of litter and keep scooping until saturated. After several weeks of doing this the clawed cat symbolically tries to bury its deposits by scratching at the side of the box, thus partially destroying the bag. Then, when you try to pull the bag out you find it splits, or has already split, depositing litter into the box, back to the hose again.

                              We use the bag method, sometimes it goes ok, other times, less favourable.

                              The definitive answer would be for an adjustable slotted frame that would slide over the edges of the box so the cat will never touch the bag. Any Shark Tank entrepreneurs take note, a niche product waiting to be invented. Let me know when you have one for sale. I will be your first customer.
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                              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                              Cutting a cat's claws with clippers at home is difficult and painful for the cat.
                              Properly clipping cat nails is not painful for the cat, nor is it a difficult task for many cat owners.

                              As some of you already know, I am a huge cat lover and have owned, bred, and raised more cats then I care to mention on this forum --> and my wife has clipped the nails of all of them without a single issue...even with our grouchy old grandpa Himalayan.

                              In-fact clipping the nails is so easy and painless (properly done) that she can clip the nails on our cats and it usually only takes about a minute and thirty seconds or less, and the cat is done and often seems happy the (formerly) super-pointy nails are no longer catching on things around the house accidentally.

                              No pain, no bleeding, no hassle. She scoops the cat up, sets the cat on her lap, fans a paw and clips away, grabs the other paw and clips away, often the clipping is done so fast the cat basically does not even seem to know anything was done at all.

                              Of course a lot of this has to do with the relationship you have with your cats, and the general relationship your cats have with people. Most of our kittens/cats have grown up to act a bit more like dogs than cats...following us around wherever we go, sleeping at the foot of the bed, chilling and lounging around wherever the most people are and action is, chasing balls, play fighting, coming to you when called etc.

                              If you have a strong relationship with your cats then nail trimming with a pair of sharp clippers should not be an issue, unless you do not pay attention, go overboard, and cut too much and hit the quick of the nail. If your cats will sit with you then the job is almost done...all of our cats will sit with us so that's not an issue, and as long as you have some good lighting you can usually tell how far you should be able to trim without hitting the quick.

                              Once you get used to doing regular trimmings all you need to do is trim a small amount each time, and often times the cats will get used to the routine as normal. It seems odd but I firmly believe some of our cats over the years actually appreciated getting their nails trimmed.

                              Here is my cat Super Duper using one of our stands. Super Duper passed away about a year ago rather suddenly. We found out as a terrible surprise that he was sick and was gonna go. He did fight valiantly and hung on for about 2 months before he closed his eyes for good. Hand feedings, hand hydration, medications, etc...it was a one of the saddest pet losses of our lives.



                              The small claws of young cats can do some damage if allowed...here is Super Duper eyeing the fish on the wind chime via the screens on my deck.



                              Years of use by big cats will destroy even the most heavy duty of cat stands eventually. Here is my old cat Mr. Izbister laying atop a well worn stand. Unfortunately old Mr. Izbister also passed away about 18 months ago or so.



                              Do cat stands work? Yes, they usually do unless placed too far out of the way or off of the beaten path. In-fact all of our cats scratch on only the stands because they know it's allowed...

                              Cats often grow to love the stands, and my cat Sweet Neesta was no exception.



                              Currently we have three heavy duty stands and all are larger than the ones you see pictured...a 4 foot 4 level, a 5 foot 4 level (custom built by a stand crafter), and a very large 6 footer with multiple cat houses, tons of perches, and 10 rope scratch posts built in.

                              Nope... we don't have a scratching problem around here, and as many cat owners know, some cats can be trusted on a screened-in porch and some can not. My cat Super Duper was definitely a "can not"!

                              FWIW, I don't think I would ever declaw any of my cats...and yes, I have had cat claws accidentally ruin a few items...almost always when an untrimmed nail gets hung up. I would never declaw a cat of ours, especially if the cat has already grown to an adult or adolescent with use of their nails. Cat's use their nails a lot and I would not disadvantage a cat by taking them away. If your cats are active and like to jump, climb, balance, play (or fight if necessary) etc. having nails will make his or her life much easier, funner, and fuller IMO. That said, I am sure some can find plenty of "exceptions"...

                              And yes, probably millions of happy declawed cat owners exist, and I am not disparaging their choice, but from my personal knowledge and experience raising and photographing cats for a very long time...trimming the nails regularly is probably the best way to go for most cats (and folks).

                              Cheers

                              -don

                              P.S. Props to you Claude if you go through with the adoption(s).
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  How do I know what declawing is?


                  Let me think......Well, I've had several cats over the decades...

                  And I know how to use Google.

                  Like this;

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                  Each and every cat ever adopted by you should be deClaude for its own good.
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          He might not give up pornhub.
          Speaking of which,

          Pornhub Premium wants to be your Valentine

          No credit card, no strings, just free premium on Valentines
          Pornhub Wants to be Your Valentine.


          No...

          I found it on reddit.com.


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            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Speaking of which,



            Pornhub Wants to be Your Valentine.


            No...

            I found it on reddit.com.


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            Lol, you might want to remove the porn link. It's a safe bet someone will go tell.
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Lol, you might want to remove the porn link. It's a safe bet someone will go tell.
              Thanks but I'm not sure I care. All meant in good fun.


              There's already some clicks on the link.


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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Wonder how many of the passionate declawed protesters have had their baby boys circumcised ?
                You say Relevance ???.

                I say in a general way it can also be argued as unnecessary, non- consensual, and usually painful

                Of course it is just a baby though , right
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                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  Wonder how many of the passionate declawed protesters have had their baby boys circumcised ?
                  You say Relevance ???.

                  I say in a general way it can also be argued as unnecessary, non- consensual, and usually painful

                  Of course it is just a baby though , right


                  Right & having wisdom teeth pulled doesn't feel like the jaw is being broke.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    Each and every cat ever adopted by you should be deClaude for its own good.
                    So...wouldn't that be like adopting a cat and then unadopting a cat? The unadoption papers should say "adopt a cat" on them, then Claude can be kept busy for years, or until he catches on...oh wait, that would be years anyway.

                    Claude, get them both. If you do only get one though, get the goofy one, it will be more fun. Serious cats are boring.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Claude, get them both. If you do only get one though, get the goofy one, it will be more fun. Serious cats are boring.
                      Funny cats are cute. But the serious cats are what I find hilarious. Like serious 5 year old children. They just strike me as funny.

                      Having a serious conversation with a little kid is one of the great joys in life.

                      And that explains why I like Dan Riffle.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  Wonder how many of the passionate declawed protesters have had their baby boys circumcised ?
                  You say Relevance ???.

                  I say in a general way it can also be argued as unnecessary, non- consensual, and usually painful

                  Of course it is just a baby though , right
                  I promise you, circumcising the cat is something that never crossed my mind.

                  But I agree. Circumcision is a cultural throw back with no health advantage.....But you have to keep this in mind..... Because nearly every American adult male was circumcised as a baby, it creates problems for the uncircumcised guys.

                  High School gym class is a nightmare, if you're the only one that is "different".
                  Girls can be startled because they may think it doesn't look "normal".
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    But I agree. Circumcision is a cultural throw back with no health advantage.....But you have to keep this in mind..... Because nearly every American adult male was circumcised as a baby, it creates problems for the uncircumcised guys.
                    I thought you were a man of science. Apparently, the CDC isn't scientific enough for you:

                    Male circumcision reduces the risk that a man will acquire HIV from an infected female partner, and also lowers the risk of other STDs, penile cancer, and infant urinary tract infection. In female partners, it reduces the risk of cervical cancer, genital ulceration, bacterial vaginosis, trichomoniasis, and HPV.

                    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/preventio...rcumcision.pdf
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                      I thought you were a man of science. Apparently, the CDC isn't scientific enough for you:


                      http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/preventio...rcumcision.pdf
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                      Yes, cutting off part of your penis reduces the chance of getting penile cancer. Cutting off your entire penis probably reduces the chance of getting penile cancer even further.

                      By that reasoning, I suspect you will never suffer from penile cancers.

                      And HIV and other diseases are more common in men who are uncircumcised, that never wash their junk. And totally uneducated people are less likely to have their sons circumcised and more likely to have unprotected sex, out of ignorance of how diseases spread.

                      You're doing it again, aren't you? Just poking, seeing if I'll dance.

                      Well, apparently I will.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Yes, cutting off part of your penis reduces the chance of getting penile cancer. Cutting off your entire penis probably reduces the chance of getting penile cancer even further.

                        By that reasoning, I suspect you will ever suffer from penile cancers.

                        And HIV and other diseases are more common in men who are uncircumcised, that never wash their junk. And totally uneducated people are less likely to have their sons circumcised and more likely to have unprotected sex, out of ignorance of how diseases spread.

                        You're doing it again, aren't you? Just poking, seeing if I'll dance.

                        Well, apparently I will.
                        Apparently, you didn't bother to read the CDC's findings. It's a little more than simply not washing one's junk.

                        If the CDC isn't enough for you, maybe the American Academy of Pediatrics will provide additional insight:

                        https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-...cumcision.aspx

                        For someone who considers himself a man of science, you seem to be quick to dismiss recent studies that go against your point of view.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                        Right & having wisdom teeth pulled doesn't feel like the jaw is being broke.
                        OMG, they had to CRACK the teeth out of my head. To this very day that experience is as clear as day in my head.

                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        I promise you, circumcising the cat is something that never crossed my mind.

                        But I agree. Circumcision is a cultural throw back with no health advantage.....But you have to keep this in mind..... Because nearly every American adult male was circumcised as a baby, it creates problems for the uncircumcised guys.

                        High School gym class is a nightmare, if you're the only one that is "different".
                        Girls can be startled because they may think it doesn't look "normal".
                        This is OT in the OT - lol, but if I'd had a baby boy I would not have circumcised him. I would let him decide when he got older if he wanted to modify his body that way.

                        It's like getting ears pierced, or a tattoo in my mind.

                        You're born with it, just like an appendix. Which by the way we now know the appendix has a purpose.

                        And if I'd been born a boy I would have been really peeved that someone took a piece of my junk without waiting long enough to consult with me on how I felt about it.
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Yes, cutting off part of your penis reduces the chance of getting penile cancer. Cutting off your entire penis probably reduces the chance of getting penile cancer even further.

                        By that reasoning, I suspect you will never suffer from penile cancers.

                        And HIV and other diseases are more common in men who are uncircumcised, that never wash their junk. And totally uneducated people are less likely to have their sons circumcised and more likely to have unprotected sex, out of ignorance of how diseases spread.

                        You're doing it again, aren't you? Just poking, seeing if I'll dance.

                        Well, apparently I will.

                        Most men have a foreskin, but judging by your lack of manliness, you have a oneskin.
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                          Most men have a foreskin, but judging by your lack of manliness, you have a oneskin.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I promise you, circumcising the cat is something that never crossed my mind.

                    But I agree. Circumcision is a cultural throw back with no health advantage.....But you have to keep this in mind..... Because nearly every American adult male was circumcised as a baby, it creates problems for the uncircumcised guys.

                    High School gym class is a nightmare, if you're the only one that is "different".
                    Girls can be startled because they may think it doesn't look "normal".
                    No skin off of my back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    I agree with Mark. Adopt them both. Every successful, intelligent psychopath needs at least two henchmen. This way, Joseph will be covered.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I agree with Mark. Adopt them both. Every successful, intelligent psychopath needs at least two henchmen. This way Joseph will be covered.
      The most intelligent thing you've said so far this year.

      Admittedly, that bar isn't set very high.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The most intelligent thing you've said so far this year.

        Admittedly, that bar isn't set very high.
        My other observation here is that they are both male. Female cats tend to gravitate in friendliness, (we have 2 females) slightly more towards the male human, males towards the female human, although our current 2 are pretty even in their affections. (although both of them seek me out when they want to be let out of the back door for some reason?) It's a possibility though that female cats would be less friendly towards your wife. Pro's and cons but not set in stone that it would be the case.

        The other reason to get female ones is that they are less prone to illness. Both sexes should be fixed so there is no chance of kittens or rampant prowess on the part of the male.

        If your going to keep it or them indoors all the time then definitely remove the claw nails. Good for Clawed and the furniture. If they are out a lot of the time then just an occasional trim would be in order. Never remove the nails and let them go out. That would be cruel to a cat.

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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          If your going to keep it or them indoors all the time then definitely remove the claw nails. Good for Clawed and the furniture. If they are out a lot of the time then just an occasional trim would be in order. Never remove the nails and let them go out. That would be cruel to a cat.
          Absolutely do NOT declaw a cat - ever (edited to add - unless it's medically necessary). It is a very cruel, completely unnecessary surgical procedure that involves amputating part of the paw. It's been banned in many countries. If by chance they get outside once declawed, they are especially vulnerable.

          I have always clipped my cats' claws, and then made sure they had scratching boards and posts to use. My furniture is just fine. There are many ways you can keep your cats from scratching your furniture. Anyone who feels the need to declaw a cat shouldn't get a cat in the first place.

          Here's an article on declawing from the Humane Society: Declawing Cats: Far Worse Than a Manicure : The Humane Society of the United States
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            We have 3 cats - all indoors except for the occasional summer day.

            We have a cat climbing tree (that looks like a tree!) that has various carpeting and scratching material on it - and a scratching pad where the cardboard insert is replaced weekly.

            The only time I've seen them even scratch on the carpet is when a door is closed and the cat wants in the room. Of course, cats being as they are - the cat only wants to get in the room because the door is closed.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
              1. Get them both
              2. There are special fingernail caps you can get for the front claws if you are really afraid of them clawing up everything - but if you build them some really nice carpeted shelves to jump up to high places on they will spend most of their time up high.
              3. get all kinds of fun cat tubes for them to play in, and lots of catnip.

              I have a plan to get my own little permanent place, and the only other occupant will be a cat (or two).
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              • Profile picture of the author perryny
                If I was going to get one cat, and it had a brother, I'd definitely take both.

                What's the difference between one or two? They don't take up much space, they don't eat much, you're cleaning the litter box about the same either way, shedding sucks no matter how many cats you have (see if you can get yourself a good vacuum)...

                But together, you're keeping them together. That's got to make them happier and more comfortable both during this transition, and in the long term.

                And if I were getting two cats, I would most definitely have a kick-ass indoor tree-play-house in one corner.

                Fun times ahead, Claude.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by perryny View Post

                  If I was going to get one cat, and it had a brother, I'd definitely take both.

                  What's the difference between one or two? They don't take up much space, they don't eat much, you're cleaning the litter box about the same either way, shedding sucks no matter how many cats you have (see if you can get yourself a good vacuum)...

                  But together, you're keeping them together. That's got to make them happier and more comfortable both during this transition, and in the long term.

                  And if I were getting two cats, I would most definitely have a kick-ass indoor tree-play-house in one corner.

                  Fun times ahead, Claude.
                  Early next week, We are going to stop in the shelter and take a look at these two guys.

                  I've read quite a lot about siblings. After they are a few months old, they are pretty much like any other cat. Sometimes they are close, sometimes they ignore each other, and sometimes they fight. I'll ask the volunteer at the shelter about their history,and how they interact at the shelter.

                  If it turns out that they are close, I may get both. If not, I'd rather have just one.

                  Although, you are right, the expense is not much more for two cats.

                  So; (Improper use of semicolon)

                  Cat food
                  Kitty litter and tray
                  Food dish, water dish
                  A few cat toys.
                  A tree play house to climb, scratch, run on...
                  A bed to sleep in...
                  A Jacuzzi....some Kitty porn....

                  Anything else?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


                    So; (Improper use of semicolon)

                    Cat food
                    Kitty litter and tray
                    Food dish, water dish
                    A few cat toys.
                    A tree play house to climb, scratch, run on...
                    A bed to sleep in...
                    A Jacuzzi....some Kitty porn....

                    Anything else?
                    You might want to get something for the cat(s).
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                  • Profile picture of the author perryny
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Sometimes they are close, sometimes they ignore each other, and sometimes they fight.
                    Sounds like siblings.
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                  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Early next week, We are going to stop in the shelter and take a look at these two guys.
                    In my neck of the woods, 'early next week' is too late.

                    The only significant shelter here is the humane society and they have
                    a three day rule for cats & kittens regardless of health.

                    those merciless bastar*s

                    btw; The kitten I rescued a a year or so ago is awesome.
                    Totally trained herself. Never had to tell it not to get on furniture
                    or the counters. Doesn't scratch the house up and she doesn't
                    mind the occasional bath or nail trimming. The only thing she does
                    that I don't like and can't stop, is the constant "kills" she
                    either brings me or stashes .
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

                      In my neck of the woods, 'early next week' is too late.

                      The only significant shelter here is the humane society and they have
                      a three day rule for cats & kittens regardless of health.

                      those merciless bastar*s

                      btw; The kitten I rescued a a year or so ago is awesome.
                      Totally trained herself. Never had to tell it not to get on furniture
                      or the counters. Doesn't scratch the house up and she doesn't
                      mind the occasional bath or nail trimming. The only thing she does
                      that I don't like and can't stop, is the constant "kills" she
                      either brings me or stashes .

                      We made an appointment for Tuesday. We are closing the store for an hour or so to look at the cats. The Shelter (in our town) keeps cats until they are adopted, unless they have behavioral problems or severe health problems.

                      The black cat behind the store got a treat today. I fed it canned cat food, instead of dry food. He wolfed it down. He kind of let me pet him as he ate. I would pet him, and he would adjust to keep me from petting him, except he never got his face out of the food bowl.

                      If both of the tiger cats are gone, we'll just pick another. As long as it's short haired and healthy.
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                      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        We made an appointment for Tuesday. We are closing the store for an hour or so to look at the cats. The Shelter (in our town) keeps cats until they are adopted, unless they have behavioral problems or severe health problems.

                        The black cat behind the store got a treat today. I fed it canned cat food, instead of dry food. He wolfed it down. He kind of let me pet him as he ate. I would pet him, and he would adjust to keep me from petting him, except he never got his face out of the food bowl.

                        If both of the tiger cats are gone, we'll just pick another. As long as it's short haired and healthy.
                        Please resist the compulsion to put a sign on your store door saying "Closed, Gone To Get Some Pussy"
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                        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          If they aren't caged together at the shelter, I doubt that it would be at all traumatic to be separated from its brother. If your wife can't be talked into two, one will do just fine. I like them both, but I also like all of the other cats on the page, so it's really which one you connect with the most.
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                            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                            Suzanne, please stop making sense, I'm trying to boss Claude around.
                            Only Claude's gorgeous and talented wife can do that. And an alley cat, or two.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
                      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

                      In my neck of the woods, 'early next week' is too late.

                      The only significant shelter here is the humane society and they have
                      a three day rule for cats & kittens regardless of health.

                      those merciless bastar*s
                      Three days? Wow! That's heartbreaking to hear!

                      After losing my last of 3 elderly cats last May (she was almost 20), I went to the local Humane Society for the first time to adopt a cat. I had always thought they were a kill shelter. Fortunately, the one here isn't - they keep the animals until they're adopted out and euthanize only due to serious medical / health issues. It's a really beautiful, well-run shelter; I was very impressed.

                      I was leaning towards a black cat as they're the hardest to adopt out - and I think they're beautiful. I was also planning to adopt a kitten but ended up adopting the most amazing 5 y/o cat instead.

                      He is truly pure joy wrapped in fur! He's playful as a kitten, but also very affectionate. We bonded very quickly!

                      He's also quite stunning (my cell phone photos don't begin to do him justice!):



                      He loves fresh laundry, and thinks the wool dryer balls are super fun toys!




                      Obviously I don't have Don's awesome photography skills! Would have helped if I'd cleaned the cell phone lens before taking this photo...
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                        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                        Three days? Wow! That's heartbreaking to hear!

                        After losing my last of 3 elderly cats last May (she was almost 20), I went to the local Humane Society for the first time to adopt a cat. I had always thought they were a kill shelter. Fortunately, the one here isn't - they keep the animals until they're adopted out and euthanize only due to serious medical / health issues. It's a really beautiful, well-run shelter; I was very impressed.

                        I was leaning towards a black cat as they're the hardest to adopt out - and I think they're beautiful. I was also planning to adopt a kitten but ended up adopting the most amazing 5 y/o cat instead.

                        He is truly pure joy wrapped in fur! He's playful as a kitten, but also very affectionate. We bonded very quickly!

                        He's also quite stunning (my cell phone photos don't begin to do him justice!):



                        He loves fresh laundry, and thinks the wool dryer balls are super fun toys!




                        Obviously I don't have Don's awesome photography skills! Would have helped if I'd cleaned the cell phone lens before taking this photo...
                        That is a beautiful cat, Cali.
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    I like the first cat, just because it also looks like a duck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      I like the first cat, just because it also looks like a duck.
      I think it looks like Batman. The strong jaw, the determined look, the love of cat toys.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I think it looks like Batman. The strong jaw, the determined look, the love of cat toys.
        There's an anti-Batman joke in there. I'm sending it to you telepathically.
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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          There's an anti-Batman joke in there. I'm sending it to you telepathically.
          I got the message. Yes, I will have sex with you. Yes, you can wear your Thor outfit.....again. Yes, you can spank me in my Batman outfit.....until I'm Thor.
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    Outdoor cats in the mountains become bird (eagles, hawks, falcons) food, coyote food, or bigger cat food...An acquaintance used to take his for walks on leash, and tether them supervised outside for a little while.

    I did use two litter boxes, and two sets of food and water bowls, when I had two cats.
    They did not grow up together from kittens.

    You can always try to toilet train your cats. As you can see, lots of ways and utensils for it.

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    I have two rescue dogs. Took a while to train them properly, but once I did was very happy about doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Have you adopted one or both yet? Or are you waiting for someone else to adopt them and thus make the decision for you?
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  • cats are notoriously soloprowly, so i figure separation is not an issue for them like mebbe siamese hamsters joined at the amygdala.

    only problem i foresee is the interplay between felines noo and old.

    gotta figure you still gonna get visitors out the back, so please do not forget them.

    prolly they will sense there are noo cats in town an' seek what i imagine has come to be known as yon fu dude milky treaty from elsewhere -- mebbe the blonde gal down the street, whose vinyl floor coverings are the talk of Wooster* -- but they are still gonna show for a while.

    but, yeah, get a scratchin' post an' also some kinda brush.

    that is the only problem with cats -- they are cool an' sh*t, but they transform alla your legwear into proto-yetis.

    o, but wait -- you are surrounded by hoovers, so this is no problem.

    phew.

    *hey, I dunno, Claude, i am not a clairvoyant -- i am jus' guessin'.
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  • Profile picture of the author bashca03
    How sweet of you wanting to adopt a cat. Having them both will be good for them (Mac and Joseph). But if this doesn't sound good to your wife then I suggest you get Joseph. I am positive you two will get along well.
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    I can't wait til Tuesday. Finally, I have something to live for. lol.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I can't wait til Tuesday. Finally, I have something to live for. lol.
      It had to be Tuesday, not today. He met someone in the street who said they just might pop down to Claude's store on Monday.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Does anyone else find it odd that Claude is adopting a cat on Fat Tuesday?
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Does anyone else find it odd that Claude is adopting a cat on Fat Tuesday?
      Tomorrow is Fat Tuesday already?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Tomorrow is Fat Tuesday already?
        It surely is.
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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          It surely is.
          Well I'll be.

          It's also national "Stop bullying" day.

          This site is weird. It seems to be missing things like Chinese new year and this week is listed under "last week" unless it is last week again for me and I got a redo on my birthday week!

          Did I just travel back in time?

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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            OMG, so there are so many holidays this month.

            And you know what we all missed?

            Like the most important holiday to Claude!

            Create a Vacuum Day, February 4, at Holiday Insights
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

            Well I'll be.

            It's also national "Stop bullying" day.

            This site is weird. It seems to be missing things like Chinese new year and this week is listed under "last week" unless it is last week again for me and I got a redo on my birthday week!

            Did I just travel back in time?

            Holidays on the Net - Daily Holidays of 2016 Is Today a Holiday?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Gotta love a black long haired cat that likes to get on your freshy washed white towels.

      I wear mostly black so I take no issue with black cats.
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    Hooray! It's Cat Day. Nothing better than cat day! Post pictures please, Claude.
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      Cali - We have matching cats!!!

      Tomorrow is Fat Tuesday already?
      Certainly is - my family got back from New Orleans last night. They (and two other couples) rented a house in the French Quarter for the past week.

      Their friends had never been there so it was an eye opener (anyone who has been there around Mardi Gras knows what I mean).

      I was perfectly happy to stay here - wall to wall crowds of people is not my "thing". Son said N.O. was the most crowded they've ever seen it - line at the Cafe du Monde was blocks long!
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    I say the wife pulls the plug and Claude comes home with a gold fish in a bag and a (larger) hole in his heart.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Good for New Orleans to be coming back around after the hurricanes.

    It's Chinese New Year. Good time for a new cat(s) for a Qi Gong Master.







    (I always forget what martial art Claude actually practices.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      With no snow on the ground or freezing weather I'm all kinds of messed up on what time of year it is.

      But I think everyday could be cat day!
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    My wife and I recently went to "The Heart of the Catskills" humane society. We looked at literally hundreds of cats. After about 2 hours we settled on Macintosh, only to find she was already adopted. Could not go through the choosing process again that day. We left catless, but will be back their soon

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      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      My wife and I recently went to "The Heart of the Catskills" humane society. We looked at literally hundreds of cats. After about 2 hours we settled on Macintosh, only to find she was already adopted. Could not go through the choosing process again that day. We left catless, but will be back their soon

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        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

        Maybe Windows will be available next time.

        You don't want that one. It's crippled and full of viruses.
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    Long haired black cats have become my personal favorites over the years. We have kept a few from our litters, and all of those were either 1/2 or 1/4 Himmys. We had (we only have one left) a pair of chocolate point Himalayans and the father or grandfather of all the long haired blacks was a Himmy.

    This is the cat that is probably my favorite of all time. He looked similar to Cali's cat when he grew up (the face is a bit different (smashed))...he was the only tall bodied, black, long haired cat that I have had. Fizzle Dizzle and my other favorite long haired black, whom happened to be his brother (3000 Zips), are/were both extra-long bodied fuzzy lowriders.

    Here he is...The Face - aka: Spaceman



    Why was he the best? Crazy personable, crazy playful, beautiful and a great buddy.

    That said, I sure hope Claude's cat does not arrive angry like our rescue cat Baby Stinks did...oh my gosh, I guess we should have used Prime shipping on her!!!



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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Well,we went to the Shelter. Every cat there was playful, tame, and wanted to be held.

      We got Mac. In my first post, Somehow I got the photos mixed up. Here's his photo.



      Joseph was there as well. A very loving cat. Like a loving puppy. Mac wanted to wrestle with my hand, and kept purring the whole time. They were already separated in different cages. One cat per cage. A very clean impressive facility.

      Mac hasn't been neutered yet. He'll get neutered tomorrow, and we will pick him up Thursday evening. His brother, Joseph was adopted about an hour before we got there....or we would have taken both.

      I was joking, of course, in my first post...but they really do have completely different personalities. Mac wants to wrestle. Joseph just wanted to be held.

      It's a good thing I took my wife with me, or I'd still be there, trying to bribe the volunteer to let me have Joseph too, and just say he escaped.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Congratulations Claude!

        You're going to absolutely love you new cat. He's very handsome, by the way.

        If I weren't allergic, I'd go get a kitty too.

        Don't forget to post pics for us after kitty is feeling better after surgery and all.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Well,we went to the Shelter. Every cat there was playful, tame, and wanted to be held.

        We got Mac. In my first post, Somehow I got the photos mixed up. Here's his photo.



        Joseph was there as well. A very loving cat. Like a loving puppy. Mac wanted to wrestle with my hand, and kept purring the whole time. They were already separated in different cages. One cat per cage. A very clean impressive facility.

        Mac hasn't been neutered yet. He'll get neutered tomorrow, and we will pick him up Thursday evening. His brother, Joseph was adopted about an hour before we got there....or we would have taken both.

        I was joking, of course, in my first post...but they really do have completely different personalities. Mac wants to wrestle. Joseph just wanted to be held.

        It's a good thing I took my wife with me, or I'd still be there, trying to bribe the volunteer to let me have Joseph too, and just say he escaped.
        "Mac and the Guy That Cut the Cheese".


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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          condolences to Mac.
          I've already sent links to some of Claude's choicest posts to the shelter. We may be able to save Mac after all.
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            Good choice, Claude. I was hoping you could get both -but as long as both got adopted, that's what counts.

            Handsome fellow...(the cat, that is).
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Mac hasn't been neutered yet. He'll get neutered tomorrow, and we will pick him up Thursday evening.

        You'll castrate a cat but draw the line at declawing because you read a blog on the internet saying it's mean. How's that for logic?

        The cat will probably scratch your eyes out when he wakes up from snip snip.
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          You'll castrate a cat but draw the line at declawing because you read a blog on the internet saying it's mean. How's that for logic?

          The cat will probably scratch your eyes out when he wakes up from snip snip.
          Actually, after giving it a great deal of thought...I decided to let the Vet do it.

          Castration isn't painful (after the fact), and doesn't leave the cat crippled or defenseless.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Castration isn't painful

            You first.
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              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              You first.
              It's too late.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Actually, after giving it a great deal of thought...I decided to let the Vet do it.

            Castration isn't painful (after the fact), and doesn't leave the cat crippled or defenseless.
            The real reason is that it will lessen the chance of it clawing your inflatable Cat-Woman love-doll collection.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Actually, after giving it a great deal of thought...I decided to let the Vet do it.

            Castration isn't painful (after the fact), and doesn't leave the cat crippled or defenseless.


            Good to know you've experienced castration & it didn't hurt.

            Thanks for being a trooper & taking one for the team.
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          You'll castrate a cat but draw the line at declawing because you read a blog on the internet saying it's mean. How's that for logic?

          The cat will probably scratch your eyes out when he wakes up from snip snip.
          Since logic isn't your strong point, I'm here to help. Virtually every animal shelter I've heard about requires all animals that are adopted to be spayed or neutered. Their logic is that there are too many pets that need homes already and there isn't a need for more. I doubt Claude had a choice in the matter, which makes your claim "you'll castrate a cat" a straw man, since it wasn't Claude's choice.


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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Since logic isn't your strong point, I'm here to help. Virtually every animal shelter I've heard about requires all animals that are adopted to be spayed or neutered. Their logic is that there are too many pets that need homes already and there isn't a need for more. I doubt Claude had a choice in the matter, which makes your claim "you'll castrate a cat" a straw man, since it wasn't Claude's choice.


            Where's Bob Barker when you need him?
            I'm certainly not Bob Barker, but I must say that Kurt is right.

            Believe it or not, Lexi was already spayed when I adopted her at 8 weeks old. She still had her sutures in, but had been spayed already.

            And look how wonderful she turned out...



            Not to deflect Claude's kitty thread, though.

            Crap! I feel guilty now.

            Okay, here's my kitties before I developed a severe allergy to their dander and had to send them to live with my daughter and grandkiddies.



            From left to right, Mocha and Latte.

            (See Jill, I told you I love coffee, lol!)


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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Actually, after giving it a great deal of thought...I decided to let the Vet do it.

            Castration isn't painful (after the fact), and doesn't leave the cat crippled or defenseless.
            Ok, I'm not personally for declawing, but typically they only do the front claws when they do it so the cat can still scratch the hell out of something with the back ones. And trust me, those hind legs can do serious damage.

            There are sprays you can buy in advance and apply to places where you think the cat might want to claw.

            If you keep a squirt gun handy, you can hit them with the water when they start doing something bad. Go get a few water pistols!


            I used to have a kitty who slept around my head every night. In the morning he would wake up and actually lightly claw at my eyelids. I felt the claws but he never left a scratch on the skin. I really miss him.
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              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post





              From left to right, Mocha and Latte.

              (See Jill, I told you I love coffee, lol!)


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              Oh Claude! Don't you see how cute 2 kitties can be together? I want to stick my face in that Mocha belly. lol
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              • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                Claude, you can buy some of those balls with the bells in them OR you can also try making a ball out of tin foil and chuck it across a floor.

                We had a cat who actually learned how to fetch with the tinfoil balls.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                  Claude, you can buy some of those balls with the bells in them OR you can also try making a ball out of tin foil and chuck it across a floor.

                  We had a cat who actually learned how to fetch with the tinfoil balls.
                  Nonsense. I'm buying the cat a car, and teaching it to drive. That should keep it on it's toes.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Nonsense. I'm buying the cat a car, and teaching it to drive. That should keep it on it's toes.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Since logic isn't your strong point, I'm here to help. Virtually every animal shelter I've heard about requires all animals that are adopted to be spayed or neutered. Their logic is that there are too many pets that need homes already and there isn't a need for more. I doubt Claude had a choice in the matter, which makes your claim "you'll castrate a cat" a straw man, since it wasn't Claude's choice.


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            That's right. The shelter gives the cat all it's shots, and neuters it. that's the way the cat is when you pick it up.

            I didn't have a choice, but I probably would have had it done anyway. This is going to be a 100% indoor cat. Would it be fair to the cat for it to be horny every day, with no chance of mating?

            If I get another male cat, it reduces the urge to fight.

            it also helps stop the cat from spraying the furniture. There is some argument for cats living longer if they are neutered. (I've read it, but don't know if it's true. I've also read that it doesn't matter) The cat is fine the next day.

            Spaying a female cat is harder on the animal, and it may still be uncomfortable for a few days. For some reason, it seems that most of the cats available were males.

            But I would never do anything that would hurt an animal. This cat is going to be loved and pampered like a King. I just spent a couple of hours researching the best kinds of cat food. My God, this cat is going to be eating a lobster tail.....while I'm wolfing down a sandwich.


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            If you keep a squirt gun handy, you can hit them with the water when they start doing something bad. Go get a few water pistols!
            I've actually printed up about 100 very small signs that say, "Don't scratch this".

            Of course, I have to teach the cat to read. But I bought flash cards to help out.

            So, I think I've got it covered.
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Spaying a female cat is harder on the animal, and it may still be uncomfortable for a few days. For some reason, it seems that most of the cats available were males.

              But I would never do anything that would hurt an animal. This cat is going to be loved and pampered like a King. I just spent a couple of hours researching the best kinds of cat food. My God, this cat is going to be eating a lobster tail.....while I'm wolfing down a sandwich.

              I've actually printed up about 100 very small signs that say, "Don't scratch this".

              Of course, I have to teach the cat to read. But I bought flash cards to help out.

              So, I think I've got it covered.
              lol ... let us know how the flash cards work out, but you're right about the health of an neutered indoor cat vs an unaltered male, who wants to go away for weeks on end, fighting with other Toms, crossing streets, exposed to weather and not eating regularly. I had a Tom cat as a child that would disappear for up to 6 weeks and come back with horrendous sores and lacerations from the fights. He finally left one day never to return. Probably got hit by a car. He was a stray and my mother just fed him and he stayed in the house when he wanted to, but didn't want to much with all the female cats yowling outside for his attention.

              If you want to have great fun with the cat, Claude, get a laser pointer or even a small flashlight. Drives them crazy. They love it and keeps them active for hours, while you just sit on the couch and point and move it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


                If you want to have great fun with the cat, Claude, get a laser pointer or even a small flashlight. Drives them crazy. They love it and keeps them active for hours, while you just sit on the couch and point and move it.
                Yep, laser pointer.

                The other fun thing is one of those really long sticks with the feather on the end. But you'll have to get off your butt a bit. But they love the feathers. I always start to feel bad after a while with the laser as they never can really feel themselves catching something.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                If you want to have great fun with the cat, Claude, get a laser pointer or even a small flashlight. Drives them crazy.

                And that's a great reason to not have your cat declawed. You want them to be able to use the laser pointer and the flashlight..

                I'll be honest with you Suzanne. I would probably just turn on the lights, or teach the cat how to light candles.

                I'm going to teach the cat Kung Fu. Nobody..nobody is ever going to mess with my cat.
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  And that's a great reason to not have your cat declawed. You want them to be able to use the laser pointer and the flashlight..

                  I'll be honest with you Suzanne. I would probably just turn on the lights, or teach the cat how to light candles.

                  I'm going to teach the cat Kung Fu. Nobody..nobody is ever going to mess with my cat.
                  Poor Mac has no idea what's in store for him, lol!

                  He'll be the first Kung-fuing, laser weilding, literate cat ever!
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                    Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                    Poor Mac has no idea what's in store for him, lol!

                    He'll be the first Kung-fuing, laser weilding, literate cat ever!
                    That cat is going to support us in our old age.
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                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      That cat is going to support us in our old age.
                      Let me guess - Mac is going to have his own YouTube channel...

                      Speaking of cats, lasers, and YouTube:

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                • Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  I'm going to teach the cat Kung Fu. Nobody..nobody is ever going to mess with my cat.
                  Prolly gonna take 100 years to teach a cat to fetch a stick.

                  But cats are weird, an' if there is a stylish outfit involved, Mac could nail the Fu in 10 minutes.
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              This cat is going to be loved and pampered like a King. I just spent a couple of hours researching the best kinds of cat food. My God, this cat is going to be eating a lobster tail.....while I'm wolfing down a sandwich.
              Mac is one lucky cat!

              Regarding food (if I may make a couple recommendations) - make sure it's grain free and primarily (or entirely) wet (canned or make your own). Cats aren't meant to eat dry food or grains - their natural diet is essentially raw meat (mice, birds, etc.). Dry food takes a toll on their kidneys and overall health over time, which is one of the reasons most cats today develop kidney disease at some point (some much sooner than others).

              Wet food is more expensive, messier, and less convenient - you can't just leave it out all day like you can with dry food. But it's so much better for the cat's health over time.

              Two brands I like and feel good about (and I did tons of research) are Wellness Core grain free variety and Blue Wilderness grain free. It's also best to use the fish flavors minimally due to mercury levels in a lot of the fish used. I usually go with chicken or turkey.

              Of course, cats can be very finicky, so you may have to try a few different flavors, textures (e.g. flake, pate, etc.) to find one your cat will eat.

              Some cats that have been on a dry food diet are difficult to switch over to wet food, so starting them early is best. A little dry kibble may be okay as a treat, but not good as their steady diet.

              Here's a website with more information than you'll ever need (my vet directed me to this website): Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition :: healthy cat diet, making cat food, litter box, cat food, cat nutrition, cat urinary tract health

              (My apologies if I sound like I'm lecturing - I didn't know the importance of a wet food / grain free diet until about 3 years ago, when my elderly cats were in the early stages of kidney disease.)
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                Mac is one lucky cat!

                Regarding food (if I may make a couple recommendations) - make sure it's grain free and primarily (or entirely) wet (canned or make your own). Cats aren't meant to eat dry food or grains - their natural diet is essentially raw meat (mice, birds, etc.). Dry food takes a toll on their kidneys and overall health over time, which is one of the reasons most cats today develop kidney disease at some point (some much sooner than others).

                Wet food is more expensive, messier, and less convenient - you can't just leave it out all day like you can with dry food. But it's so much better for the cat's health over time.

                Two brands I like and feel good about (and I did tons of research) are Wellness Core grain free variety and Blue Wilderness grain free. It's also best to use the fish flavors minimally due to mercury levels in a lot of the fish used. I usually go with chicken or turkey.

                Of course, cats can be very finicky, so you may have to try a few different flavors, textures (e.g. flake, pate, etc.) to find one your cat will eat.

                Some cats that have been on a dry food diet are difficult to switch over to wet food, so starting them early is best. A little dry kibble may be okay as a treat, but not good as their steady diet.

                Here's a website with more information than you'll ever need (my vet directed me to this website): Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition :: healthy cat diet, making cat food, litter box, cat food, cat nutrition, cat urinary tract health

                (My apologies if I sound like I'm lecturing - I didn't know the importance of a wet food / grain free diet until about 3 years ago, when my elderly cats were in the early stages of kidney disease.)

                Not lecturing at all. I appreciate you taking the time. Yeah, I've done quite a lot of reading on the best types of food. I just ent today to get a high protein canned food with no grain. I also have a bag of dried food that is all meat product.

                At the Shelter, they just used Friskies cheap cat food. But the lady there said that they fed the cats the canned food in the morning, and then a little dry food to let them nibble at all day. I'll probably go that route. But the cat food is three times as much as the cheap dry food.

                Big mistake, "Chicken flavored" doesn't mean it has any real chicken in it. So I spent about half an hour today at PetsRUs, reading ingredient labels.
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Big mistake, "Chicken flavored" doesn't mean it has any real chicken in it. So I spent about half an hour today at PetsRUs, reading ingredient labels.
                  Yes, you definitely have to check the labels. You want real chicken (turkey, etc.) not chicken meal or byproducts or flavor. I'd steer clear of "grocery store" cat food (Purina, Friskies, etc.) - it's usually the worst.

                  As for cost - I usually order it by the case from Chewy.com or sometimes Amazon (the price fluctuates a lot on Amazon). There are other sites you can check as well, like PetFoodDirect.com, etc.

                  You can almost always get food for a lot less online than from the pet store, especially when you order by the case.

                  As for litter, I highly recommend SwheatScoop. It's a wheat litter, clumps fairly well, and doesn't contain some of the potentially toxic ingredients that are found in most clumping litters.


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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              That's right. The shelter gives the cat all it's shots, and neuters it. that's the way the cat is when you pick it up.

              I didn't have a choice, but I probably would have had it done anyway. This is going to be a 100% indoor cat. Would it be fair to the cat for it to be horny every day, with no chance of mating?

              If I get another male cat, it reduces the urge to fight.

              it also helps stop the cat from spraying the furniture. There is some argument for cats living longer if they are neutered. (I've read it, but don't know if it's true. I've also read that it doesn't matter) The cat is fine the next day.

              Spaying a female cat is harder on the animal, and it may still be uncomfortable for a few days. For some reason, it seems that most of the cats available were males.

              But I would never do anything that would hurt an animal. This cat is going to be loved and pampered like a King. I just spent a couple of hours researching the best kinds of cat food. My God, this cat is going to be eating a lobster tail.....while I'm wolfing down a sandwich.




              I've actually printed up about 100 very small signs that say, "Don't scratch this".

              Of course, I have to teach the cat to read. But I bought flash cards to help out.

              So, I think I've got it covered.
              "My God, this cat is going to be eating a fish tail.....while I'm wolfing down a plate full of lobster sandwiches."

              At least tell the truth.

              I have never seen so much information and thinking and planning going into the simple art of keeping a moggy.

              You may as well go the whole hog and get music for cats to keep them calm. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35529284
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                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                "My God, this cat is going to be eating a fish tail.....while I'm wolfing down a plate full of lobster sandwiches."

                At least tell the truth.

                I have never seen so much information and thinking and planning going into the simple art of keeping a moggy.

                You may as well go the whole hog and get music for cats to keep them calm.
                Glad to see that this thread has gone up a notch!



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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                You may as well go the whole hog and get music for cats to keep them calm. Musician composes music to soothe cats - BBC News
                I don't know about music, but my cats loved some videos for cats that I bought. It was just videos of squirrels and birds doing squirrel and bird things and they would watch it as long as it was on. lol.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  Claude -

                  You can go too far on the "protein" in cat food. Male cats can develop painful and life threatening crystals in their kidneys and too much protein seems to be one of the indicators.

                  There are a lot of fancy pet foods out there but when there were massive recalls a few years ago (pets died due to contaminated food) it turned out many of the "high end brands" of pet foods were outsourcing their production to a huge plant in Canada.

                  The exception was Purina. They make their own food - including excellent kitten food. Our cats (3 of them) thrive on a small amount of canned food each morning (I mean small - one small can lasts 2 days for all three cats) and either Purine One or ProPlan cat dry cat food that is always in the dish. They get treats once a day and they remind me when it's time for them.

                  Best cat toy in the WORLD is the TurboScratcher. My cats have played with this thing for years and never tire of it. I replace the center piece weekly and sprinkle it with a bit of catnip...they go nuts.

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                  Cat entertainment here is mainly sitting on the backs of the corches watching bird feeder activity outside...then a nap, then watch some more, then eat, then a nap....for a cat there's always something to do.


                  Virtually every animal shelter I've heard about requires all animals that are adopted to be spayed or neutered.
                  In some areas, when you adopt you are given a "discount coupon" to have the pet neutered at a participating local vet. Not everyone does it. Gradually shelters are coming around to the realization the neuter/spay needs to happen BEFORE the pet goes home.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                    Claude -

                    You can go too far on the "protein" in cat food. Male cats can develop painful and life threatening crystals in their kidneys and too much protein seems to be one of the indicators.

                    There are a lot of fancy pet foods out there but when there were massive recalls a few years ago (pets died due to contaminated food) it turned out many of the "high end brands" of pet foods were outsourcing their production to a huge plant in Canada.

                    The exception was Purina. They make their own food - including excellent kitten food. Our cats (3 of them) thrive on a small amount of canned food each morning (I mean small - one small can lasts 2 days for all three cats) and either Purine One or ProPlan cat dry cat food that is always in the dish. They get treats once a day and they remind me when it's time for them.
                    I second Purina One. One of my cats, the one my mother left behind when she died, was 23 years old and just died. Purina One with a small amount of Fancy Feast daily was her only diet. I once picked up another brand and the cats wouldn't touch it. Went on a hunger strike until I got the Purina One again.
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                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      hunger strike

                      This phrase just caused Claude to do the confused-dog-head-tilt until his head exploded.
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                      • Profile picture of the author discrat
                        Claude,
                        You need to look for pet food that is non GMO.

                        This includes Chicken that have not been caged or pumped with steroids as well grass fed fish

                        God forbid we wouldn't want to give our furry loving creatures this crap that could cut their lifespan from 12 to 11 yrs.old.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                          Claude,
                          You need to look for pet food that is non GMO.

                          This includes Chicken that have not been caged or pumped with steroids as well grass fed fish

                          God forbid we wouldn't want to give our furry loving creatures this crap that could cut their lifespan from 12 to 11 yrs.old.

                          I'm feeding the cat steroids. I want my guy to defend our home. Heck, I want our cat to be able to defend our Country.

                          GMO stands for Great Mac Offensive. Trademarked.
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            I'm feeding the cat steroids. I want my guy to defend our home. Heck, I want our cat to be able to defend our Country.

                            GMO stands for Great Mac Offensive. Trademarked.
                            Oh yes, I was wandering about that Batman jaw you made reference to earlier. You started early I guess.
                            Makes sense now
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                    The exception was Purina. They make their own food - including excellent kitten food. Our cats (3 of them) thrive on a small amount of canned food each morning (I mean small - one small can lasts 2 days for all three cats) and either Purine One or ProPlan cat dry cat food that is always in the dish.

                    Best cat toy in the WORLD is the TurboScratcher. My cats have played with this thing for years and never tire of it. I replace the center piece weekly and sprinkle it with a bit of catnip...they go nuts.

                    Amazon.com : Bergan Turbo Scratcher Cat Toy : Scratching Pads : Pet Supplies

                    Cat entertainment here is mainly sitting on the backs of the porches watching bird feeder activity outside...then a nap, then watch some more, then eat, then a nap....for a cat there's always something to do.
                    Yeah, we decided on Purina One as our main cat food. Thanks of the heads up on the TurboScratcher. Last night I assembled the cat's climbing-gymnasium-perch-hiding hole-scratching post. It takes up the whole corner of our Sun Room. There are large bay windows for him to watch all the outdoor action.

                    My wife is the greatest in the world for putting up with her husband's latest nonsense.

                    Later; OK, I just ordered the TurboScratcher. Thanks again.
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            Since logic isn't your strong point, I'm here to help. Virtually every animal shelter I've heard about requires all animals that are adopted to be spayed or neutered. Their logic is that there are too many pets that need homes already and there isn't a need for more. I doubt Claude had a choice in the matter, which makes your claim "you'll castrate a cat" a straw man, since it wasn't Claude's choice.


            Where's Bob Barker when you need him?


            Lol, always jumping in to save the buddy from his never ending contradictions of contorted people are evil blog conspiracies. Has he told you about the blog yet? He read it on the internet so there's no doubt it's legit.

            Thanks for chiming in & we'll see you next time Claude needs help with logic.

            BTW, you'll have to settle for Drew Carey, Bob was canned years ago for animal cruelty (Read it on a blog somewhere. ).







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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Lol, always jumping in to save the buddy from his never ending contradictions of contorted people are evil blog conspiracies. Has he told you about the blog yet? He read it on the internet so there's no doubt it's legit.

              Thanks for chiming in & we'll see you next time Claude needs help with logic.

              BTW, you'll have to settle for Drew Carey, Bob was canned years ago for animal cruelty (Read it on a blog somewhere. ).
              I keep wondering what you are getting out of this.

              I'm convinced that you are a character. You can type a complete sentence, but your statements read like you are someone who has severe damage to your pre-frontal lobes.

              Somehow, you either think spouting this bile is funny, or I've done something that you took very personally.

              Anyway, I don't take it seriously (partly, because I don't think you mean what you say).....but I still don't know what you get out of these nasty posts.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I agree, Claude. Sometimes I think Yukon is perfectly logical - then not - then I wonder if more than one person is posting....then I wonder how much he drinks....confusing.

                Yes, spay/neuter hurts for a couple days (far less pain, according to my vet, than the declaw procedure).

                It prevents litters of kittens being born to end up in shelters or wild in the woods or starving after being dumped by a roadside. I just rescued a "roadside kitten" two weeks ago. Two were dumped by a country road - one was killed before I found them. The kitten (named him Lucky-do) was friendly and so happy for a person (with food) to stop by the road and pick it up.

                He's been taken to the Animal Foundation - had his shots and been neutered. Went up for adoption this week and with his personality he should find a home quickly. I wish I could have delivered him to Claude.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  He's been taken to the Animal Foundation - had his shots and been neutered. Went up for adoption this week and with his personality he should find a home quickly. I wish I could have delivered him to Claude.
                  That may be the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

                  Here in Wooster, there is a "Spay/neuter and release" program. Feral cats are captured, fixed and then released. I just found out from the lady at the Shelter that there is a huge feral cat community outside town.

                  I suspect my "stupid black cat behind my store" is making that daily journey back and forth.

                  I think that cat eventually activated my "I want a cat" gene, that had been dormant for a few decades.

                  I've decided to name the cat Mac, to avoid an identity crisis.

                  When he gets bigger, I'll call him Big Mac, or BM for short. I hope he doesn't get teased at school.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I hope he doesn't get teased at school.
                    He won't, provided you let Cheryl walk him to school.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I hope he doesn't get teased at school.
                    You can train the stupid black cat behind your store to be his bodyguard.
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Lol, always jumping in to save the buddy from his never ending contradictions of contorted people are evil blog conspiracies. Has he told you about the blog yet? He read it on the internet so there's no doubt it's legit.

              Thanks for chiming in & we'll see you next time Claude needs help with logic.

              BTW, you'll have to settle for Drew Carey, Bob was canned years ago for animal cruelty (Read it on a blog somewhere. ).


              Yay! Yet another perfect example of a logical fallacy! And not to brag, but I must be psychic since I knew this one was coming.


              For those interested in the logical thought process, this is a classic ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack is the a person attacks the person instead of the point.


              Since I stated an indisputable fact, Yukon couldn't debate the fact that shelters spay and neuter before releasing pets that made him factually incorrect, so instead he made up that I was only bringing this because he thinks I'm "protecting" Claude.


              I brought it up because Yukon's logic is so hilariously faulty in a post where he talks about logic.


              His fallacy is a double-dose of irrational thought, it also is used as a red-herring, which are fallacies used to distract from the original issue, which in this case is that he was FACTUALLY wrong about the fact it wasn't Claude's choice to have Mac neutered. By trying to distract us, he can pretend that he wasn't factually wrong.


              Logic isn't what you want it to be. It's a thought process used over thousands of years by the smartest people in history and requires the intellectual and emotional strength to understand that a rational conclusion may not be the outcome of this process that we wanted.


              For anyone that believes ignorance is NOT bliss:
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Good link - but did you notice "thou" becomes "though" in the numbered "examples"???
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  An update;

                  We got Mac last night. He was still a little sore from the neutering. Traveling in a pet carrier isn't his favorite thing.

                  last night, he did all the basics right. He used the litter box, eats well, and doesn't scratch or bite, no matter how rough we play.

                  So, unless he tries to kill one of us, we have a new cat.

                  For the first few days, we are keeping him, at night, in our mud room. That way, he can get used to where the litter box is, where the food dish is....

                  He meows a lot for the first ten minutes after I leave him alone, but then settles down.

                  He really really really likes attention. Saturday, we are going to try to let him have the run of the home. Hopefully he has settled down a little by then.

                  Honestly, the transition probably would have been made easier on him if we also had his brother. But that probably won't happen.

                  He's a great beautiful healthy loving animal.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    An update;

                    We got Mac last night. He was still a little sore from the neutering. Traveling in a pet carrier isn't his favorite thing.

                    last night, he did all the basics right. He used the litter box, eats well, and doesn't scratch or bite, no matter how rough we play.

                    So, unless he tries to kill one of us, we have a new cat.

                    For the first few days, we are keeping him, at night, in our mud room. That way, he can get used to where the litter box is, where the food dish is....

                    He meows a lot for the first ten minutes after I leave him alone, but then settles down.

                    He really really really likes attention. Saturday, we are going to try to let him have the run of the home. Hopefully he has settled down a little by then.

                    Honestly, the transition probably would have been made easier on him if we also had his brother. But that probably won't happen.

                    He's a great beautiful healthy loving animal.
                    It sounds like it's going well. He'll own the house in no time at all. lol.

                    I have spotted a feral black cat that hangs around just outside our fence line, and probably sneaks into the yard when no one's looking . I'm thinking about putting food out for him. I'm amazed he survived the blizzard. I don't want to do anything that will compromise his obvious survival skills, so not sure what I'm going to do.
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                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      It sounds like it's going well. He'll own the house in no time at all. lol.

                      I have spotted a feral black cat that hangs around just outside our fence line, and probably sneaks into the yard when no one's looking . I'm thinking about putting food out for him. I'm amazed he survived the blizzard. I don't want to do anything that will compromise his obvious survival skills, so not sure what I'm going to do.
                      Suzanne, the Feral Cat Coalition has a trap and spay/neuter then release program that you could look into. Here's a link to a page for Virginia feral cat organizations that may be helpful:

                      List of Feral Cat Organizations : The Humane Society of the United States

                      @Claude - glad to hear Mac is settling into his new home.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                        Feral cats get very hungry and leaving some food for them doesn't stop them from hunting - but does keep them from starving.

                        We did trap, spay/neuter, release of feral cats on the coast and it worked great to keep the population down.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          As long as he doesn't poop on the carpet, I'm a happy camper.
                          Every time I've brought a new cat into a new place the first thing I do is have a litter box established somewhere, and upon bringing the cat into the house I immediately drop them into the litter box. It's the first thing they know about and where it is.

                          Never had a pooping issue.

                          They like to dig and go. Cats like to cover up their poop unlike dogs who don't mind leaving their trophies to be seen by all.
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                            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                            Every time I've brought a new cat into a new place the first thing I do is have a litter box established somewhere, and upon bringing the cat into the house I immediately drop them into the litter box. It's the first thing they know about and where it is.

                            Never had a pooping issue.

                            They like to dig and go. Cats like to cover up their poop unlike dogs who don't mind leaving their trophies to be seen by all.
                            All good stuff, but I must admit that I have had a few cats that have/had extremely long hair and giant fuzzy paws that did not do cover ups. While they would always go in the box, they would never cover up the pooh.

                            I can/could tell that they don't/didn't like digging in the box because they dislike getting the litter getting between their toes and and in their fuzzy socks. I tried a few different litters over the years but nothing changed and the habit stayed the same.

                            Yup...those old tennis shoes are handy for something.

                            One other thing... If a cat is not fixed, and even with some fixed cats, they may start marking territory (outside the box) just like a dog does. Big cat = big markings = big problem. The only time I have had an issue with this is when feral cats start lurking around outside the house. Feral cats can lead to serious kitty behavior problems if they are left unchecked. Not always, but sometimes.

                            Jackson Galaxy, the Animal Planet cat guy, has done a great many episodes on feral cat related problems as they pertain to indoor house cat behavior. Dude is a bit over the top, but he knows his stuff quite well.

                            Cheers

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    Congrats .... the adventure begins. Great looking cat and cats that like to play and wrestle are fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I hope it means three more cats get adopted. Mac, Joseph, and one more for Claude.
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    Claude now has two cats ... Mac and the black cat behind the store.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Pretty looking tabby with tall ears, so he can hear you coming,

      Just because it's called Mac, don't go feeding it Apple's, but get a nice comfortable Ipad for him to sleep on, padded with Ifoam.

      We have a female cat called Heidi and an overweight black female one called Chuy.
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        Yay, Claude! Glad to hear you adopted Mac!
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    So he has an icat?
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      So he has an icat?
      Yes, lets hope it doesn't leave little Job's around the house. IWatch out for that if I were him.
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Yes, lets hope it doesn't leave little Job's around the house.
        She mate with Steve ?? Wow, long pregnancy
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      Originally Posted by detroitwomen View Post

      You need a cat? Goto craiglist and find the best cat for you.
      Try reading the thread (he's adopted Mac) before dumping your sig bait posts. BTW they don't work down here.
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    Your description is so much fun. You should write some stories
    But how can you divide them? They round each other out!
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    It's 2016 - laser pointer and Go Pro camera on the cat's head.


    PS - Claude already has water guns for when the Riffles visit.
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    One thing I noticed about cats is that they take weeks to months to feel comfortable in a home that is new to them. One cat hid for a week after I moved, and I could tell he was not comfortable for a couple of months.

    I even called the Division of Wildlife with these thoughts when they were having a difficult time re-introducing lynx to Colorado. After they relocated them, they kept them fenced in or in cages before releasing them and at first the cats were not surviving well at all. I suggested that they keep them contained for a lot longer period of time before releasing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      One thing I noticed about cats is that they take weeks to months to feel comfortable in a home that is new to them. One cat hid for a week after I moved, and I could tell he was not comfortable for a couple of months.

      I even called the Division of Wildlife with these thoughts when they were having a difficult time re-introducing lynx to Colorado. After they relocated them, they kept them fenced in or in cages before releasing them and at first the cats were not surviving well at all. I suggested that they keep them contained for a lot longer period of time before releasing.
      Yeah, when we let the cat into the living room-dining room-sunroom-kitchen, he pretty much hides under something for the first several minutes, until he sees me calling him...then he bounds out for me, and he's OK after that.

      I bet it will take him a month or so to get used to the place. As long as he doesn't poop on the carpet, I'm a happy camper.
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        I can't wait until he's settled enough to pose for your camera.

        (Subtle hint)


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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          As long as he doesn't poop on the carpet, I'm a happy camper.
          Unbelievable! And here's you with a shop full of equipment that can "de-poop" in an instant.

          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          I can't wait until he's settled enough to pose for your camera.
          (Subtle hint)
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            Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

            Unbelievable! And here's you with a shop full of equipment that can "de-poop" in an instant.



            Mine's pretty shy of the camera . . .


            That is so adorable and clever!

            I love it, lol!


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            • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

              That is so adorable and clever!

              I love it, lol!
              Yep, I guess my cat Eightpack is sweet, but useless around the house. Had to leave my dog Keypaderoo looking after my business while I've been on my months holiday.

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    How'd Mac do last night Claude?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      How'd Mac do last night Claude?

      WELL!.......

      After we got home a tad after 6PM, I checked in on him (in our mud room). Used the liter box, Check. No poop on floor, Check. Food nearly all eaten, Check.

      Last night, until about 11PM, he had free reign of the home (with only a few doors shut). He spent the majority of his time, sitting in my lap, while I sat in my leather recliner...and sitting in my wife's lap...in her recliner.

      He discovered our carpeted steps to the lower level. They are carpeted with Berber carpet, and the cat loves running up and down the steps,

      Eventually, he ran himself out, and after some serious cuddling time..he fell asleep on the carpet between my wife's chair and mine.

      I put him in the mud room, with food, litter box, toys, gymnasium, a few boxes to explore....and he cried for about half an hour. Possibly Sunday night, we'll just let him have free reign in the house at night.

      This afternoon (we close at 2PM), we'll spend the rest of the day with him, allowing him to explore the house....... It's a good fit, for all of us.

      A leather recliner, good TV, and a loving cat in your lap that likes to wrestle....Heaven on Earth.

      Thanks so much for asking. His name is Mac, but he probably thinks his name is "No!" or "Get off the counter!".
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        WELL!.......

        After we got home a tad after 6PM, I checked in on him (in our mud room). Used the liter box, Check. No poop on floor, Check. Food nearly all eaten, Check.

        Last night, until about 11PM, he had free reign of the home (with only a few doors shut). He spent the majority of his time, sitting in my lap, while I sat in my leather recliner...and sitting in my wife's lap...in her recliner.

        He discovered our carpeted steps to the lower level. They are carpeted with Berber carpet, and the cat loves running up and down the steps,

        Eventually, he ran himself out, and after some serious cuddling time..he fell asleep on the carpet between my wife's chair and mine.

        I put him in the mud room, with food, litter box, toys, gymnasium, a few boxes to explore....and he cried for about half an hour. Possibly Sunday night, we'll just let him have free reign in the house at night.

        This afternoon (we close at 2PM), we'll spend the rest of the day with him, allowing him to explore the house....... It's a good fit, for all of us.

        A leather recliner, good TV, and a loving cat in your lap that likes to wrestle....Heaven on Earth.

        Thanks so much for asking. His name is Mac, but he probably thinks his name is "No!" or "Get off the counter!".
        Watch out for his Counter Attacks.

        Sounds like a well balanced, well rounded cat so far showing equal affection to you both, although I'd be a little concerned about the Lap Dancing.

        I expect you're keeping your fingers crossed as to the outcome of introducing him to your German Shepherd. Klaus is a very nice guy but does suffer from cat dander allergies.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Claude - if he's using the litter box - no reason to confine him at night. He end up in your room - probably on the foot of the bed. It's the warmest, safest place to him.

          My cat walks into a room at night and looks to see who is a) in a recliner, or b) lying down on a couch or loveseat. THAT is the person he chooses to relax with.

          Two of our cats have "track meets" in the evening - Tess and Adams spend about 15 minutes running madly down the stairs and back up - from one end of the house to the other at top speed. Chips (#3 cat) quietly sits and watches them fly by. Then they all head for a snack, a litter box stop - and a bed.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        WELL!.......

        After we got home a tad after 6PM, I checked in on him (in our mud room). Used the liter box, Check. No poop on floor, Check. Food nearly all eaten, Check.

        Last night, until about 11PM, he had free reign of the home (with only a few doors shut). He spent the majority of his time, sitting in my lap, while I sat in my leather recliner...and sitting in my wife's lap...in her recliner.

        He discovered our carpeted steps to the lower level. They are carpeted with Berber carpet, and the cat loves running up and down the steps,

        Eventually, he ran himself out, and after some serious cuddling time..he fell asleep on the carpet between my wife's chair and mine.

        I put him in the mud room, with food, litter box, toys, gymnasium, a few boxes to explore....and he cried for about half an hour. Possibly Sunday night, we'll just let him have free reign in the house at night.

        This afternoon (we close at 2PM), we'll spend the rest of the day with him, allowing him to explore the house....... It's a good fit, for all of us.

        A leather recliner, good TV, and a loving cat in your lap that likes to wrestle....Heaven on Earth.

        Thanks so much for asking. His name is Mac, but he probably thinks his name is "No!" or "Get off the counter!".
        That's great. I've never had a cat, that once they knew where their litter box was, didn't use it. They naturally want to go in litter material and cover their waste. The only litterbox problem I ever had with a cat was the 23 year old cat who recently died (committed suicide actually, I think). She lost her abilities the last year and would go on the floor. Thankfully, not carpet, but I did have to keep the mop handy all day long.

        It was very odd. She simply disappeared one day and we don't have a clue where. There's no death odor anywhere in or near the house. What we think happened is a friend was bringing in wood and left the door open temporarily to go back and forth with wood. We think that she simply left and died. No body anywhere to be found. Strong possibility of a hawk or eagle (we have both here) taking her away. She had a very long, good life.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          That's great. I've never had a cat, that once they knew where their litter box was, didn't use it.
          We did, the one we have now. It used the litter box for years without a problem, then got urinary tract infection and peed on the carpet in my office.

          Once it peed there, it kept peeing there no matter what we did to clean the carpet and change the scent. We even cut a large chunk of carpet out and had a carpet installer put in a new piece. Didn't help a bit.

          Finally we yanked the carpet out of the whole room. I now have a hardwood floor in my office and the cat is back to using her litter box. Stupid cat.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        This afternoon (we close at 2PM), we'll spend the rest of the day with him, allowing him to explore the house....... It's a good fit, for all of us.

        A leather recliner, good TV, and a loving cat in your lap that likes to wrestle....Heaven on Earth.
        .

        Actually thought this was a joke thread but happy to see you are pleased with the addition to the family


        Yep...we can actually have a pleasant exchange. Free will rocks. Enjoy the cat. Prefer dogs but cats can be very relaxing and undemanding.
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  • I figure mebbe Mac is gonna grow to be some kinda super cat.

    Cos, c'mon — feline meaow + hooverly vrooooooooooooooooo kinda normally = cat exodus.

    If Claude can train Mac up to withstand polyvacuumular roar, it is only a matter of time before NASA comes callin'.
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      If Claude can train Mac up to withstand polyvacuumular roar
      That ain't never going to happen. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        His name is Mac, but he probably thinks his name is "No!" or "Get off the counter!".
        And where are the water guns I told you to get?
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        • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          And where are the water guns I told you to get?
          Lap Dancing, Kung Fu expert cat stole them already. The Riffles helped.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          And where are the water guns I told you to get?

          The sound of my voice is enough. Eventually, he'll figure out which surfaces are OK, and which are not. Right now, he thinks anything above the floor is off limits. He was laying in the Sun room on the sofa....saw me in the other room, ad jumped off. He thought he was in trouble.

          Well, today he heard the vacuum cleaner. It was better than expected. He would run about ten feet, turn, and study the vacuum. But he didn't hide, or pee, or anything severe.

          I'm pretty impressed with this cat. And boy, does he poop a lot. If I did that, you'd need a wheelbarrow.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I've used a fine mist on a garden spray bottle to train cats and pups to "leave it" or "steay off". Doesn't hurt at all - doesn't make a big mess and it gets the point across quickly. I don't even say anything to cat - just a quick mist in the fact a couple time when they jump on the counter...and it will stop.

            If a formerly good cat begins going outside the litter box it's almost always a sign of illness. How else can they get your attention?
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            • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
              Any animal introduced to your home should be watched for the first few weeks. A friend’s new cat managed to swallow a few coins; he’s keeping his eye on it, but says there’s no change yet.
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            • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I've used a fine mist on a garden spray bottle to train cats and pups to "leave it" or "steay off". Doesn't hurt at all - doesn't make a big mess and it gets the point across quickly. I don't even say anything to cat - just a quick mist in the fact a couple time when they jump on the counter...and it will stop.

              If a formerly good cat begins going outside the litter box it's almost always a sign of illness. How else can they get your attention?
              I had one cat that had urinary tract infections. Associated the litter box with the pain from peeing and that's why she stopped using the litter box.

              I've heard likewise for cats immediately after they get declawed. The tender paws get hurt by the
              the litter and they associate pain with the litter box.

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              I worked in doggy day care for a little while. Spraying with water bottles worked wonders for breaking up fights.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I've used a fine mist on a garden spray bottle to train cats and pups to "leave it" or "steay off". Doesn't hurt at all - doesn't make a big mess and it gets the point across quickly. I don't even say anything to cat - just a quick mist in the fact a couple time when they jump on the counter...and it will stop.

              If a formerly good cat begins going outside the litter box it's almost always a sign of illness. How else can they get your attention?
              I'll get one. I have a pretty firm voice, but my wife always sounds like she's saying "I love you", unless she shrieks. I think she's afraid of hurting the cat's feelings.

              This morning, I spent about 2 hours, in a life and death struggle between the cat and my hand....playing out on my lap. Better than any movie.....except for the hand that looks like it went through a thorn bush.

              Goods times. It just occurred to me, that eventually, the cat and we will be about the same age (because cats age faster than we do.) It will get tired about the same time we do, take naps when we do, complain about the weather like we do...........


              Thanks for the spray bottle suggestion. I'll get one.


              And where the heck do all his catnip filled mice disappear to?

              As I'm typing this, I hear him running up and down the steps...what an idiot......what a clown...what a beautiful joyful animal.

              He must have lived in a loving home before he went to the shelter. He's completely comfortable, after only 3 days.
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              • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I have a pretty firm voice.
                ...as the body pines with envy.
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                  ...as the body pines with envy.
                  Aww, that's mean.

                  It's Valentines Day you know, be nice.


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                  • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                    Aww, that's mean.

                    It's Valentines Day you know, be nice.
                    I'm sure he's getting love from his pussy.
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                      Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                      I'm sure he's getting love from his pussy.
                      There are no words, positive, er, I mean negative, lol!


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                      • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                        There are no words, positive, er, I mean negative, lol!
                        I do have a heart you know, especially as it's Valentines Day. So do my ghouls and demons, who all get on so well - because demons are a ghoul's best friend.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


                          As I'm typing this, I hear him running up and down the steps...what an idiot......what a clown...what a beautiful joyful animal.
                          Ahhh, the pitter patter of kitty feet.

                          But also if you get the chance, do stick up some carpeted shelves that go up so he can have a high perch somewhere.

                          They can be pretty cheap to make if you're a handy guy.


                          This liter box hidden in the side cabinet is nice. You can get a cheapo cabinet from a tag sale and just paint it how you want. Stick some of the cardboard scratcher type material on the entrance inside of it and it will capture any liter as they walk out. Plus they get some privacy on the inside!
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                          Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                          I do have a heart you know, especially as it's Valentines Day. So do my ghouls and demons, who all get on so well - because demons are a ghoul's best friend.
                          Cute! LOL!


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    That spiral staircase is is pretty cool! At my last home I built and installed my own carpeted cat shelves on 4 walls and the cats did love them...no doubt about it. That spiral would have been great to use back then.

    For anyone interested --> I just noticed that one of the very large cat trees that I own is on clearance for $105 shipped right now. I purchased ours over 5 years ago on sale from petco or petland for about $160 and it's still holding up well.

    On my stand the faux fur is a different color and length, but it's the same build. As you can see this clearance model has heavy duty brown faux fur. (A7407)



    If you can deal with the color the tree is an absolute steal at $105 shipped! The best I have seen before this is Wayfair at $125. It's heavy duty enough for even my largest cats to use the entire stand. Size: 50"(L)X26"(W)X74"(H)

    This is the one I have (A7401) and I see it's on sale from some vendors for roughly $130, I have not checked shipping costs.



    Here is the link to the clearance 7407...(not an affiliate link)

    Classic Cat Tree A7407 - Armarkat Online Store

    That is the manufacturer's website (AeroMark) and they have been selling online for 20 years...they are a company led by women that has built cat trees since 1994. The company constructs over 100 different models, and they claim to use only "environmentally friendly materials are used which are harmless to both pets and their pet parents".

    Good quality product...

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      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      That spiral staircase is is pretty cool!
      Can you imagine whipping balls down that thing?

      Oh! then have them go into a vacuum tube like they have at the bank, and you could whip em' back down again for the cats to keep running after. They'd have to be pingpong balls.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The sound of my voice is enough. Eventually, he'll figure out which surfaces are OK, and which are not. Right now, he thinks anything above the floor is off limits. He was laying in the Sun room on the sofa....saw me in the other room, ad jumped off. He thought he was in trouble.

        Well, today he heard the vacuum cleaner. It was better than expected. He would run about ten feet, turn, and study the vacuum. But he didn't hide, or pee, or anything severe.

        I'm pretty impressed with this cat. And boy, does he poop a lot. If I did that, you'd need a wheelbarrow.
        Yes, don't use one of those automatic vacumn cleaners, cats hate them more than bananas!


        This one is hilarious, ignore the stupid one with the kitten at the start, the rest are pretty funny.


        Yes, only a matter of time before Claude, takes his cat in with him to the shop, and uses his cat for demonstrations!

        The quick and easy way to remove cat fur?


        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Actually thought this was a joke thread but happy to see you are pleased with the addition to the family


        Yep...we can actually have a pleasant exchange. Free will rocks. Enjoy the cat. Prefer dogs but cats can be very relaxing and undemanding.
        Yes, went from bloodbath, black humor to warm and fuzzy!


        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        There are no words, positive, er, I mean negative, lol!


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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Update;

      Last night, we let the cat have free reign of the house, as well as all day yesterday.

      Most of the night, he slept on the bed, attacking feet, walking on us.

      I woke up this morning to him Meowing at me, while sitting next to my head.

      Yesterday was mostly 45 minutes of him running, followed by a few minutes of eating...pooping....and then 2 hours or so on my lap, sleeping in impossible positions.

      Three days in and he's pretty darn comfortable.

      Getting misted, when he gets on the counters completely changes his reality. I don't think he realizes that it's coming from us. But I wouldn't be surprised if, when we get home, the spray bottle is in the trash with claw marks on it.

      My wife is perfectly happy, except for a little cat litter dragged into the kitchen. She was even OK with the cat on the bed.....apparently she knew I was going to sneak him into the bedroom anyway.

      Good weekend.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Update;

        Last night, we let the cat have free reign of the house, as well as all day yesterday.

        Most of the night, he slept on the bed, attacking feet, walking on us.

        I woke up this morning to him Meowing at me, while sitting next to my head.
        Sounds like Mac has settled in beautifully. Doing everything pretty much as you would expect and not much in the way of bad habits. The spray bottle is a good idea. It's better that they associate that unpleasantness with a spray bottle rather than with you.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Update;

        Last night, we let the cat have free reign of the house, as well as all day yesterday.

        Most of the night, he slept on the bed, attacking feet, walking on us.

        I woke up this morning to him Meowing at me, while sitting next to my head.
        He was saying, ok, where is the rest of the dunut!

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Claude -

          In a couple weeks you'll be amazed at how the cat has adapted to your schedule. He'll learn the daily schedule of you and your wife and be on hand to say good morning - or welcome home - or palytime/foodtime/sleep time.

          When I was gone for 3 weeks recently my dog and cat followed our (my) schedule for 3-4 days....then both adapted to son/d-in-law's schedule (and sleeping in a different room) - and seamlessly went back to my schedule the day I returned.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            As long as he doesn't poop on the carpet, I'm a happy camper.
            Wait till you step into a nice juicy hairball with your bare feet or just a sock on. hehehe
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              I watched a little of the video with vacuum cleaners and cats.

              With a wide nozzle, vacuuming the cat is OK, and I see the cat enjoys it.

              But don't ever...ever...ever...point the end of the hose to a cat's face while it's on. It can pull out an eye.

              I have vacuums that can lift a 16 pound bowling ball. A cat getting it's face or eye stuck in a hose can be deadly.

              Stupid humans.
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              • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                A cat getting it's face or eye stuck in a hose can be deadly.
                Of course this problem shouldn't arise if you've house trained your cat in the correct manner.


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                • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                  On the subject of vacuum cleaners, did you ever hear about Claude's sales apprenticeship?

                  He was very keen and knocked on the door on the first house of the street. A tall lady answered the door. Before she could speak, the enthusiastic Claude barged into the living room and opened a big black plastic bag and poured all the cow droppings onto the carpet.

                  "Madam, if I could not clean this up within 5 minutes with the use of this new powerful vacuum cleaner, I will EAT all this dung!" he exclaimed.

                  "Do you need chilli sauce or ketchup with that" asked the lady.

                  Claude, bewildered, asked, "Why, madam?"

                  "There's no electricity in the house…" said the lady.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                    Claude -

                    I gotta know - WHAT vacuum cleaner will you use for pet hair?

                    We've been using a Dyson pet something-or-other and I think it's on its last wheels. The robot is ok on hard floors but not on carpet.

                    With your knowledge, you won't have a cat hair in sight!
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                      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                      Claude -

                      I gotta know - WHAT vacuum cleaner will you use for pet hair?

                      We've been using a Dyson pet something-or-other and I think it's on its last wheels. The robot is ok on hard floors but not on carpet.

                      With your knowledge, you won't have a cat hair in sight!
                      There isn't any Claude hair in sight either...
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                      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                      Claude -

                      I gotta know - WHAT vacuum cleaner will you use for pet hair?

                      We've been using a Dyson pet something-or-other and I think it's on its last wheels. The robot is ok on hard floors but not on carpet.

                      With your knowledge, you won't have a cat hair in sight!
                      Honestly, The Riccar brand vacuums with the steel roller and horse hair brushes picks up pet hair the best I've seen. And the hair doesn't get wrapped around the roller. I'm sure there's a dealer near you. Get one of the single motor uprights with a 12 amp all metal motor. Maybe $500 total. You'll be very happy with it. And it should last 20 years.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I watched a little of the video with vacuum cleaners and cats.

                With a wide nozzle, vacuuming the cat is OK, and I see the cat enjoys it.

                But don't ever...ever...ever...point the end of the hose to a cat's face while it's on. It can pull out an eye.

                I have vacuums that can lift a 16 pound bowling ball. A cat getting it's face or eye stuck in a hose can be deadly.

                Stupid humans.
                On the subject of cat hair, having those stickie roller thingys around are a real life saver when you want to go out in the clothes you're wearing, but don't want to wear the cat hair that's on them. Get's it up off the furniture pretty quickly also.
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  • Someone gotta invent a cat vacuum with a dressmakin' function.

    Alla the cat hair goes in one end, then a few months later — BAM! You got a cool new outfit!

    I figure the Whitacre Suckseamstress would also work on dogs an' poultry (though you prolly gotta pull on the knob to adjust the settings).

    In the event of untimely pet death, it would default to Sock or Glove mode, an' if kittens or puppies arrived on the scene, mebbe it would make curtains.

    I want one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Just a note.

      This morning I woke up to a blaring noise, that I thought was a train coming through the house. It was that stupid cat, with his nose in my ear, purring.

      Also this morning, he discovered the unbridled joy of running around in circles, on a king size bed...under the covers.

      What an idiot.

      My wife and I both swear that this cat is bigger than it was four days ago. And his paws are huge.
      We're afraid...very afraid.

      I can tell you this; If we were the size of a toy mouse, filled with cat nip..we would be dead by now.
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        Found it. Well worth watching, if you like cats. Sad Cat Diary,

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          Ok, I can't take it anymore.

          This thread just won't be near complete ever without the addition of my favorite song of 2015:

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            Ok, I can't take it anymore.

            This thread just won't be near complete ever without the addition of my favorite song of 2015:
            That's the video I keep telling people about. The fact that it's made from a real EHarmony video... is what makes it so amazing.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Another update;

              Mac has found that getting up at 5:30 in the morning, and walking all over my head...wakes me up. And waking me up means he gets attention.

              I tried to get him to settle down and go back to sleep ( and not wake up my wife)...but that wasn't going to happen. So he spent a few hours in our Mud Room, with his food, litter box...and a few toys.

              We are going to get him used to our schedule.


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              Best cat toy in the WORLD is the TurboScratcher. My cats have played with this thing for years and never tire of it. I replace the center piece weekly and sprinkle it with a bit of catnip...they go nuts.

              Amazon.com : Bergan Turbo Scratcher Cat Toy : Scratching Pads : Pet Supplies

              Cat entertainment here is mainly sitting on the backs of the couches watching bird feeder activity outside...then a nap, then watch some more, then eat, then a nap....for a cat there's always something to do.

              Got the TurboScratcher. He absolutely loves it. Thanks.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Another update;

                Mac has found that getting up at 5:30 in the morning, and walking all over my head...wakes me up. And waking me up means he gets attention.

                I tried to get him to settle down and go back to sleep ( and not wake up my wife)...but that wasn't going to happen. So he spent a few hours in our Mud Room, with his food, litter box...and a few toys.

                We are going to get him used to our schedule.
                ... that schedule would work for me, but it's not for everyone. You just think you're going to get the cat used to your schedule. lol. We'll see how that works out.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  ... that schedule would work for me, but it's not for everyone. You just think you're going to get the cat used to your schedule. lol. We'll see how that works out.

                  My wife and I made a pact that we won't play with the cat before 8AM. And it gets fed then too. We may just cover our heads with a blanket and try to ignore him.

                  Even saying that sounds like BS.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    My wife and I made a pact that we won't play with the cat before 8AM. And it gets fed then too. We may just cover our heads with a blanket and try to ignore him.

                    Even saying that sounds like BS.
                    Covering your head may work for a bit. Sounds like the cat loves you both and you're having fun, so all is good really. Even if the cat wins this battle. lol
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                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Covering your head may work for a bit. Sounds like the cat loves you both and you're having fun, so all is good really. Even if the cat wins this battle. lol
                      Yup. This morning, I kept trying to keep the cat from walking all over my wife, as she slept. I kept hearing a noise from her. Later, she told me that she was stifling laughter at my attempts to get the cat to settle down.
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Yup. This morning, I kept trying to keep the cat from walking all over my wife, as she slept. I kept hearing a noise from her. Later, she told me that she was stifling laughter at my attempts to get the cat to settle down.
                        Claude, I'm so glad you got this cat! Mac sounds so happy! So do you and your wife!

                        I haven't had a cat in so long. I don't even know how to act. I've had cats my whole life, and after "the baby" passed, we decided not to get another kitty until we decided where we were going to move to. Turns out, we are still here!

                        Anyhoooooo. "The Baby". He wandered into our life one day. He was probably 6 months or so old. It's a long story, but he obviously ended up with us. We never named him! He was just "The Baby". We called him "baby", but he was, as an adult, 13 pounds of fat and fur!

                        He was a Rag Doll, and man did he love the dogs!

                        Every morning he would get on the bed and stick his cold wet nose on my nose. Purring so loud that you could have heard him in Nebraska! Then I would get head butts! If I didn't respond (like your wife, I would try and not laugh), he'd plop down on my chest and stick his paws on my face. He'd then gently start kneading. Super soft, just enough to let me know that he wasn't going away anytime soon.

                        Now that Mac knows he's safe and has a home, you and your wife are so in trouble!

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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                          Claude, I'm so glad you got this cat! Mac sounds so happy! So do you and your wife!

                          I haven't had a cat in so long. I don't even know how to act. I've had cats my whole life, and after "the baby" passed, we decided not to get another kitty until we decided where we were going to move to. Turns out, we are still here!

                          Anyhoooooo. "The Baby". He wandered into our life one day. He was probably 6 months or so old. It's a long story, but he obviously ended up with us. We never named him! He was just "The Baby". We called him "baby", but he was, as an adult, 13 pounds of fat and fur!

                          He was a Rag Doll, and man did he love the dogs!

                          Every morning he would get on the bed and stick his cold wet nose on my nose. Purring so loud that you could have heard him in Nebraska! Then I would get head butts! If I didn't respond (like your wife, I would try and not laugh), he'd plop down on my chest and stick his paws on my face. He'd then gently start kneading. Super soft, just enough to let me know that he wasn't going away anytime soon.

                          Now that Mac knows he's safe and has a home, you and your wife are so in trouble!

                          ~ Theresa
                          I can't wait for the head butts. I've read that it's a real sign of affection.

                          We can now carry the cat round, and he is perfectly relaxed. He really enjoys having his fur brushed....and his paws played with. And that patch of fur under his chin? I think I found his "purring" button.

                          Less than a week, and he's completely relaxed. I suspect he came from a loving home.
                          I guess our cat is named Mac, but we don't call him that.

                          In fact, how would a cat even know what a name is?

                          I have started calling my wife "Mommy", when she is with the cat. And she calls me "Why did you spend $300 this week on cat toys", when I'm with the cat.
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            "Why did you spend $300 this week on cat toys", when I'm with the cat.
                            How endearing. You sacrificed food for a day to buy you're cat some toys.
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                              Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                              How endearing. You sacrificed food for a day to buy you're cat some toys.
                              Well...not the cost of food for the whole day.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    My wife and I made a pact that we won't play with the cat before 8AM. And it gets fed then too. We may just cover our heads with a blanket and try to ignore him.

                    Even saying that sounds like BS.
                    Cat's habitually want to be let out, loved, fed or played with around 5.30 in the morning. That is our experience.

                    To that end, the full body armour, blindfold, earplugs and fencing mask we wear in bed has been a Godsend.
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                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      Cat's habitually want to be let out, loved, fed or played with around 5.30 in the morning. That is our experience.

                      To that end, the full body armour, blindfold, earplugs and fencing mask we wear in bed has been a Godsend.
                      If they're raised as indoors cats, going out doesn't even occur to them. All my cats have been indoor only cats. They never try to go out. It keeps the birds and small critters a lot safer around here.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      Cat's habitually want to be let out, loved, fed or played with around 5.30 in the morning. That is our experience.

                      To that end, the full body armour, blindfold, earplugs and fencing mask we wear in bed has been a Godsend.

                      This morning...again...he got up at 5:30. He ran around the bed, biting my fingers, purring in my face.... My wife and I played dead. It was hard to keep from laughing....but ten minutes later, he just went back to sleep. At 7:30...playing dead didn't work.

                      He found his way under the sheet....and a ball of fur ran around, under the blankets and sheet for several minutes...until I gave up and fed him.

                      I'm his slave.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Another update;

                Mac has found that getting up at 5:30 in the morning, and walking all over my head...wakes me up. And waking me up means he gets attention.
                .
                He's just mistaking your face for the litter box. Get used to it...
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                • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  He's just mistaking your face for the litter box. Get used to it...
                  Prolly you gotta get a scratchin' post, Claude.
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                    Claude, you have officially become a "cat person"!

                    Now, where are the PHOTOS???

                    Ya gotta post some new pictures of Mac with all these updates...!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                      Claude -

                      I've never had a cat that came to "kitty kitty" - they've all known their names. I think many people don't realize you can teach cats a name.

                      Three cats here - and each one comes to HIS name...and ignores you if you call another cat's name. Unless you are near the pantry...because that means 'treats' and everyone comes!
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                        Claude -

                        I've never had a cat that came to "kitty kitty" - they've all known their names. I think many people don't realize you can teach cats a name.

                        Three cats here - and each one comes to HIS name...and ignores you if you call another cat's name. Unless you are near the pantry...because that means 'treats' and everyone comes!
                        I named my last Cat ... Cat ... and he always came when I called Cat. I was tired of trying to find names after I got a dog. At least "Buddy" wasn't named Dog. lol.
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                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          I named my last Cat ... Cat ... and he always came when I called Cat. I was tired of trying to find names after I got a dog. At least "Buddy" wasn't named Dog. lol.
                          My very first kitty (that I got to name myself), I named kitty-kitty. And he always came to kitty-kitty.


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                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  He's just mistaking your face for the litter box. Get used to it...
                  Don't worry Claude has been used to it for over 6 years now with Dan Sh@tting on his face nearly everyday
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Found it. Well worth watching, if you like cats. Sad Cat Diary,
          Well, I hope Mac respects your authoritay.



          A whole BBC series to keep you busy for a while:

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    Theoretically Owned Cat has become Actual Whitacre Household Permanent Fixture.

    Tellya, if WF had a feed for this kinda stuff, I'da known instantaneomoosely.

    I am happy for you an' your cat, possibly even vacuums worldwide.
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    My first cat spoke Spanish, because he responded to his name: Gato.

    Bobbly Flay named a restaurant in New York after him. You can Google it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Years ago my sons and I went to a shelter to adopt a kitten....we came home with a kitten and an old alley cat who had been taken to the shelter when someone stopped kids from hitting him with a chain in a parking lot.

      He was due to be euthanized and the shelter worker begged us to take him as he was such a sweetie...and I'm such a pushover.

      I kept the cat inside for a couple weeks to let him get used to the joint - but I assumed he would want to be out "in nature" at least part of the time. Wrong - the first day I took him outside, he shredded a window screen getting back indoors. Paku stayed inside after that until he died of old age several years later.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Years ago my sons and I went to a shelter to adopt a kitten....we came home with a kitten and an old alley cat who had been taken to the shelter when someone stopped kids from hitting him with a chain in a parking lot.

        He was due to be euthanized and the shelter worker begged us to take him as he was such a sweetie...and I'm such a pushover.

        I kept the cat inside for a couple weeks to let him get used to the joint - but I assumed he would want to be out "in nature" at least part of the time. Wrong - the first day I took him outside, he shredded a window screen getting back indoors. Paku stayed inside after that until he died of old age several years later.
        Kay; That's a beautiful story....

        And I like you.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I kept the cat inside for a couple weeks to let him get used to the joint - but I assumed he would want to be out "in nature" at least part of the time. Wrong - the first day I took him outside, he shredded a window screen getting back indoors. Paku stayed inside after that until he died of old age several years later.
        I love this story Kay!

        When we had our property in Oregon, people used to drop off their pets all the time! I'm not kidding, someone dropped off a turtle! I guess because we had a big pond, they thought it would find it's way there! My mare jumped about 4 feet in the air the day she found it!

        We had a grey tabby tom cat dropped off. I watched him for a few weeks or so. He would hunt in our fields. I finally figured out that he was taking shelter in our drains (out property was multi leveled), anyhow, my husband kept telling me NOT to feed the cat! We had two cats and four dogs, two of them Danes.

        Soooooo, while I walked the dogs at night, after feeding the horses, I would slip some kitty chow in the drain. It was getting cold out, winter was coming.

        One night, while in the barn, it was pouring rain and I had all four dogs with me. I could hear a meowing outside, he meowed that loud! I took a peak, and saw him under our horse trailer. I ran the dogs back to the house and grabbed some chow.

        I shook the dish at him and walked toward the cat door that was on one of the sliders. When I got into the barn, I stuck the dish out the cat door, shook it again, and put the dish down inside. Wasn't two minutes he came in!

        There's a lot of story in between that part and next... but this cat was so amazing. He would wait for me, every night, in the shadows when it was time to go to the barn. He'd follow me, always being careful to stay in shadows and go through the cat door. I'd open the hay room door and he'd jump on the top, roll around, purr and meow. He'd wait until I was done feeding and run into the bedding room and await his canned food. I had set up a bed for him as well!

        So, he was named "barn cat".

        Then came "porch cat". It was really cold and he would stay on our porch, meowing, but never wanted in. I put an old sweater on a big pillow chair (can't spell popason), and he would sleep there.

        I finally got him to come in.

        He became "bed cat"!! Kay, he didn't get off of our bed for two weeks! He slept and slept.

        This cat became my protector. He slept with me, woke me up with head butts and after his morning rituals, would find me at the computer and crawl up, lay over my shoulder and wet nose me! He loved me like no other cat has. Crap, I'm crying...

        I could call him from anywhere and he'd show up. Like your kitty, Kay, they just know when you saved them. He never really liked to go outside either. He was safe and warm and he knew it.

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    Claude, that cat loves you! Love bites are just as cool as head butts!

    If you rub him on the length of his nose, you'll tell him you love him back! All the way, between his eyes and down to his nostrils. Stay on the furry part. That's how a mom cat tells her kittens she loves them. The mom actually licks them there, but no need Claude, he'll get it! Had to say it!

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      Claude, that cat loves you!


      Theresa, I thought cats were supposedly intelligent creatures. This statement seems to disprove that.
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        Theresa, I thought cats were supposedly intelligent creatures. This statement seems to disprove that.
        Or, Dan, the cat has a plan.

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          Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

          Or, Dan, the cat has a plan.

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            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            My faith in catkind hath been restored.
            5:30 wake up calls, under cover rampages, 3K in cat toys and food...

            Whitacre, schooled.

            And, Mac is still a kitten!
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          Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

          Or, Dan, the cat has a plan.

          ~ Theresa
          I suspect his plan has a lot of eating, sleeping, running, stalking, jumping, and pooping.

          Kind of like Dan's plan.


          Theresa; Thanks for the nose rubbing tip. A tip right back at you. Cat's may think it's great. But I stroked my wife's nose from between her eyes to the tip of her nose.... and she just stared at me like I was an idiot. AKA Bitchy Resting Face

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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I suspect his plan has a lot of eating, sleeping, running, stalking, jumping, and pooping.

            Kind of like Dan's plan.


            Theresa; Thanks for the nose rubbing tip. A tip right back at you. Cat's may think it's great. But I stroked my wife's nose from between her eyes to the tip of her nose.... and she just stared at me like I was an idiot. AKA Bitchy Resting Face

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v98CPXNiSk
            Sheesh Claude, I have to teach you everything! When you do that with your wife, you need to say "settle woman, settle". Make sure the tone of your voice is firm, but not loud. We're a sketchy sort, loud voices cause us to react, or, more often, over react.

            If you see her about to over react, well TELL HER! This always works! Then walk away like a boss!

            Another random tip for your cat. If you haven't started, start messing with him now. Stick your fingers in his ear, pull his tail up and look at his rear (you don't have to touch it Claude..ewww), but get him used to you being in control over his body. It's important for ONE reason. If your cat were to ever get hurt, or hurt himself, he will be more likely to trust you to take care of it, rather than being defensive.

            :I do this with all my animals. Don't forget to stick your finger in his mouth. Make him open his jaws for you and relax. Sorry, but I'm such a stickler for this stuff. So many people get hurt from trying to help their animals.

            /lecture!

            I'm so glad you have this cat Claude! Can't wait for you to post pictures and keep us updated on his antics!

            Do you call him Mac?

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              on't forget to stick your finger in his mouth. Make him open his jaws for you and relax.

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              Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

              Sheesh Claude, I have to teach you everything! When you do that with your wife, you need to say "settle woman, settle". Make sure the tone of your voice is firm, but not loud. We're a sketchy sort, loud voices cause us to react, or, more often, over react.

              If you see her about to over react, well TELL HER! This always works! Then walk away like a boss!
              Are you trying to get me KILLED?!


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              Do you call him Mac?

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              I call him Mac. He calls me Meow.
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                How sweet - he gave you a name!


                Great update today:

                My little rescue cat plucked from the roadside was adopted this week by an experienced pet owner who fell in love with the kitten's green eyes and constant purr. A good forever home for a special cat.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  I have to share this;
                  Last night, for about an hour, the cat would take his little play mouse in his mouth...run around the living room, jump up in my lap...and deposit the mouse in my lap.

                  Then I would throw it across the room, he would grab it...run around the room a few times, and deposit in my lap.

                  I swear, we went though this at least 15 times.

                  I couldn't figure out if he was giving it to me, or wanted me to throw it...but it sure made me laugh.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I have to share this;
                    Last night, for about an hour, the cat would take his little play mouse in his mouth...run around the living room, jump up in my lap...and deposit the mouse in my lap.

                    Then I would throw it across the room, he would grab it...run around the room a few times, and deposit in my lap.

                    I swear, we went though this at least 15 times.

                    I couldn't figure out if he was giving it to me, or wanted me to throw it...but it sure made me laugh.
                    Never had a cat that played fetch with me ... except for bringing the "real thing" like live/nearly dead or dead mice and other fresh kill presents. Charming.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I have to share this;
                    Last night, for about an hour, the cat would take his little play mouse in his mouth...run around the living room, jump up in my lap...and deposit the mouse in my lap.

                    Then I would throw it across the room, he would grab it...run around the room a few times, and deposit in my lap.

                    I swear, we went though this at least 15 times.

                    I couldn't figure out if he was giving it to me, or wanted me to throw it...but it sure made me laugh.
                    That's great stuff...I have only had a couple of cats that have "properly" fetched. In-fact my cat Super Duper fetched for the first 5 or 6 years of his life and then quit...he would play with the same toys, but instead of fetching, he would bat the fake mice all over the house, and then grind and kick the crap out of them with his feet. I guess as he grew older he just became bored or too lazy to fetch.

                    Almost all of our cats love(d) to stomp the crap out of those poor ol' dead fake mice. The little mice with the rattle ball inside. The favorites around here are not those super tiny or really big mice, but the mice that are roughly 2 1/2 inches long not counting the tail feathers.

                    Cheers

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    Yup...I have maybe 20 little toys here and only a few mice are universally acceptable...and others are completely ignored. The toy balls are the same way...some like a high pitch jingle, some a super soft ball, some a practice golf ball, and some balls are so unacceptable to my felines they won't even watch them pass by. I know...jokes and one-liners may follow.

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
    Well, Claude, it's official. Your cat is happy. I know you know this!

    The fetching thing! Awesome! I have had cats that fetch. But, my mom's cat was the best. He would only fetch a bread tie! Yep, the wire thingy that you use to close your bread wrapper.

    We would bend it into a circle and throw it across the kitchen floor! He'd chase it, pick it up and bring it right back to you! But wait!.. he had another talent or two.

    When you patted him on his rear, where the tail meets the back, he'd lie (lay? I can never get that right), on the floor, flat as a pancake. His back paws underneath him and his front paws stretched out in front of him. You had to keep patting him and then he would "snake" across the floor! Crawl on his belly, rubbing his chin on the carpet. You had to follow him, pat, pat, pat... because if you stopped, you got an ear full!

    His other talent was telling on my father! My father had late hours. He didn't usually come home until 2 a.m. or so. He was driving triples for U.P.S. and then started managing the long(er) haulers. Once in a while he'd stop at the bar, or pool haul and blow off some steam. If he was later than 3a.m., when he got in the house, the cat, Fred, would jump on my mother, wake her up with his attempt of meowing! Cat could NOT meow. It was more like "**OW**. Hilarious.

    He was also terrified of Robins. Had one chase him around the yard one day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post


      He was also terrified of Robins. Had one chase him around the yard one day.
      My cat is afraid of NOTHING. Not blankets, fake mice, balls, toys, furniture, plants, running full tilt into solid oak furniture, attacking invisible opponents, attacking me and my wife, nothing.

      In the morning, he was standing next to me..and I just moved my fingers a little (arms at my side), He squatted down in attack position...leaped up and smacked my hand with his two paws.

      Mighty Mac, the Mac Attack Cat.
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      • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        My cat is afraid of NOTHING. Not blankets, fake mice, balls, toys, furniture, plants, running full tilt into solid oak furniture, attacking invisible opponents, attacking me and my wife, nothing.

        In the morning, he was standing next to me..and I just moved my fingers a little (arms at my side), He squatted down in attack position...leaped up and smacked my hand with his two paws.

        Mighty Mac, the Mac Attack Cat.
        I forgot to add something to my cat tips!

        When your cat is walking across a floor, minding his business. To accurately test their agility skills, move your foot. Now, this must be done in the right way, or you won't get an accurate reading.

        If your foot is on carpet, you probably will have to move your foot, say, about 6 inches. Try, if you can, to make some noise. If your foot is on a hard surfaced floor, drag the sole of your shoe, the quicker, the better. If you're wearing socks only, a good PPSST noise will help.
        It's best if you have a spare toy or some other object in your lap, or on hand.. and while the cat isn't looking, toss it so it lands directly behind it.

        If the cat clears at least 2 feet in the air, he's healthy and normal.

        If you see him come out of a bedroom with a barbie doll head hanging out of his mouth. PM me! It's important! True story!
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

          I forgot to add something to my cat tips!

          When your cat is walking across a floor, minding his business. To accurately test their agility skills, move your foot. Now, this must be done in the right way, or you won't get an accurate reading.

          If your foot is on carpet, you probably will have to move your foot, say, about 6 inches. Try, if you can, to make some noise. If your foot is on a hard surfaced floor, drag the sole of your shoe, the quicker, the better. If you're wearing socks only, a good PPSST noise will help.
          It's best if you have a spare toy or some other object in your lap, or on hand.. and while the cat isn't looking, toss it so it lands directly behind it.

          If the cat clears at least 2 feet in the air, he's healthy and normal.

          If you see him come out of a bedroom with a barbie doll head hanging out of his mouth. PM me! It's important! True story!

          When I was a teenager, we had a cat. I trained it to do back flips, when I raised my foot in front of it. It got to the point where I almost didn't have to raise my floor at all to trigger the response.

          At night, my cat looks out the windows at its reflection. It's not quite like a mirror. More like it's seeing a ghost. We have no full length mirrors (I already know the joke, Riffle), and I'm kind of afraid of holding the cat so it can see in a mirror.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            We had a Maine Coon (a cat) named "Eek" - and he would fetch a small ball or a mouse or a wadded up piece of paper and bring it back and for you to throw it again just like a dog will.

            Cats are trainable but people think they aren't - so they don't try to train them.

            We have some similar "mices" and we keep spares IN the large catnip container we keep in the pantry. Bring out a catnip infused mouse and fun times are happenin...
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              We had a Maine Coon (a cat) named "Eek" - and he would fetch a small ball or a mouse or a wadded up piece of paper and bring it back and for you to throw it again just like a dog will.

              Cats are trainable but people think they aren't - so they don't try to train them.

              We have some similar "mices" and we keep spares IN the large catnip container we keep in the pantry. Bring out a catnip infused mouse and fun times are happenin...
              I used to get up at 9AM, and have a cup of hot tea, and catch up on the news. Now I get up at 7AM...if I sleep in, and catch up on my chasing the cat off the counter tops.

              Apparently people can be trained too.
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              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I used to get up at 9AM, and have a cup of hot tea, and catch up on the news. Now I get up at 7AM...if I sleep in, and catch up on my chasing the cat off the counter tops.

                Apparently people can be trained too.
                You're letting that cat dominate you and the novelty will wear off soon enough. If he's keeping you from your sleep you should put him in the Sun Room and shut the door.

                You're acting like a giant, timid mouse. I should have known with all Those Squeaking Engagements you do.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  You're letting that cat dominate you and the novelty will wear off soon enough. If he's keeping you from your sleep you should put him in the Sun Room and shut the door.

                  You're acting like a giant, timid mouse. I should have known with all Those Squeaking Engagements you do.
                  All joking aside, tonight he'll probably stay in the mud room.

                  Right now, I'm pretty happy if we can keep him off the counter tops. He'll get used to our schedule. I just like complaining about the cat.

                  The cat knows who the boss is..and so do I..My Wife.

                  So, don't call me timid. Call me whipped.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                    Claude, I think you are outstanding. Most men never decipher the hierarchy as you have! They go on their merry way thinking they are in charge...like that's going to happen!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Update;

                      Last night he slept with us, and was good until about 6AM. At night, he was sleeping on my wife's pillow...wrapped around the top of her head. She kept trying to wake me up, so I could see it. Then we both kept trying to stifle our laughs.

                      He doesn't seem to need us as much now. He is occupied with the back yard, watching from the back of our sofa in the sun room. He still plays fetch with me for an hour or so in the evening. And jumps in my lap to fall asleep about 10PM.

                      Forbidden territories are now pretty much obeyed (tables, counter tops, sinks).

                      He now likes to lay down wherever we are. He has a very comfortable cat bed between my recliner and my wife's. Before he hops into my lap to go to sleep, he lays there, wrestling with a fake mouse.

                      The best part of this whole thing is seeing how my wife likes the cat, and hearing her laugh as she plays with the cat. I wasn't sure how this whole "Cat" thing would work out.
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        The best part of this whole thing is seeing how my wife likes the cat, and hearing her laugh as she plays with the cat. I wasn't sure how this whole "Cat" thing would work out.
                        I'm really glad it turned out that way. It can be really miserable if everyone is not on board with a new pet.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I used to get up at 9AM, and have a cup of hot tea, and catch up on the news.
                The Sweeper Store is opening up late these days
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  The Sweeper Store is opening up late these days
                  Robert;

                  We open at 10AM. We only live a few minutes away. 45 minutes is plenty of time to get ready, and get out the door....for men.

                  Women take an additional hour to get ready. And at the end of 29 years of marriage...I still have no idea what takes so long.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Robert;

                    We open at 10AM. We only live a few minutes away. 45 minutes is plenty of time to get ready, and get out the door....for men.

                    Women take an additional hour to get ready. And at the end of 29 years of marriage...I still have no idea what takes so long.
                    They're just seeing if you'll still wait for them. (Terra told me that secret.)
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                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Robert;

                    We open at 10AM. We only live a few minutes away. 45 minutes is plenty of time to get ready, and get out the door....for men.

                    Women take an additional hour to get ready. And at the end of 29 years of marriage...I still have no idea what takes so long.
                    Women have to do their makeup and fix their hair. Where do you stand on those two?
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Robert;

                    We open at 10AM. We only live a few minutes away. 45 minutes is plenty of time to get ready, and get out the door....for men.

                    Women take an additional hour to get ready. And at the end of 29 years of marriage...I still have no idea what takes so long.
                    That's because you don't have to take any time to comb your hair. You just put on your fuzzy slippers and your purple moo moo and head to work.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      That's because you don't have to take any time to comb your hair. You just put on your fuzzy slippers and your purple moo moo and head to work.

                      Hey! It's my crime fighting costume.

                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      Women have to do their makeup and fix their hair. Where do you stand on those two?
                      My wife's hair is not broken. There is no need to fix it.

                      And I do not stand on her hair.

                      My wife takes a shower...and then washes her face. I'm not joking.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Update;

                        Today at 12:30, I'm taking the cat to the vet to get a vaccine shot. I hope this vaccine doesn't cause mental retardation.

                        All the cat will know is, "The big fat one took me for a ride, and tortured me".....and,

                        "The nice fluffy one never raises her voice to me, and loves me. For her honor...I will kill the big fat one".

                        Game on, Mac...Game on.


                        Added later:
                        Got back from Vet. Exam and vaccine...$58. Ounce of crap to drop in his ears once a month...$99.

                        Listening to my cat sing me "The song of my people" for 90 minutes? Priceless.
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                      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Hey! It's my crime fighting costume.



                        My wife's hair is not broken. There is no need to fix it.

                        And I do not stand on her hair.

                        My wife takes a shower...and then washes her face. I'm not joking.
                        Funny That, I set the shower running to warm up the water, brush my teeth or have a quick shave but I always dry my face off before getting in the shower. Rather a silly little ritual. there's a whole thread there, silly little rituals we do for no reason.
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                          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


                          Cats are trainable but people think they aren't - so they don't try to train them.
                          Claude, are you aware that you can train a cat to use the toilet? Cut all the kitty liter costs right out of the picture.

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                            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                            Claude, are you aware that you can train a cat to use the toilet? Cut all the kitty liter costs right out of the picture.
                            Jill; First, welcome back.

                            I was aware of the toilet training approach. To me, that's just weird.

                            It's much more natural for my cat to use his litter box...while my wife and I cheer him on from the bleachers...and the film crew, director (me) and lighting guys stare at him...and judge his performance.

                            Much more natural. And that's why we use a fog machine, and majestic music, for motivation....when our cat uses the liter box.
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                              Needless Mac update;
                              Well, last night Mac slept in our bed. He was the perfect gentleman for the entire night. At 7AM, he decided that we should get up. He ran into the living room, grabbed his fake mouse, and jumped on the bed, dropping the mouse next to me. After a minute of laughing (me, not the cat).... I put him out of the bedroom, and shut the door. An hour later, I opened the door, and he was sitting there...patiently...with that fake mouse right beside him.

                              He's a keeper.
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                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                At 7AM, he decided that we should get up.
                                .......
                                He's a keeper.
                                No one really needs all that sleep anyway. lol.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                                Claude - I'm with you on the toilet training. I don't want my cats using my bathroom.

                                We have three cats - and three litter boxes. The boxes are located in the mud room that is accessible from the laundry room - the connecting door has an open (no flap) cat door.

                                Years ago I thought the litter had to be in several places so the cats could "find it" - then I realized how smart cats are.

                                In the morning and late evening - a quick 2 minutes of scooping cleans the cat boxes (and reuses those plastic grocery bags). Clumping litter is the equivalent of a cat toilet to me! (Just make sure you keep it several inches deep so it works as intended).
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                                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                                  Claude - I'm with you on the toilet training. I don't want my cats using my bathroom.

                                  We have three cats - and three litter boxes. The boxes are located in the mud room that is accessible from the laundry room - the connecting door has an open (no flap) cat door.

                                  Years ago I thought the litter had to be in several places so the cats could "find it" - then I realized how smart cats are.

                                  In the morning and late evening - a quick 2 minutes of scooping cleans the cat boxes (and reuses those plastic grocery bags). Clumping litter is the equivalent of a cat toilet to me! (Just make sure you keep it several inches deep so it works as intended).

                                  Really, the reason we don't want to toilet train the cat, is that we don't want the toilets to go unflushed....and we are afraid of the cat falling in.

                                  And at 9PM, every night, we hear him digging in the litter, to deliver his gift. On Sunday night, he does it a little earlier, so he can watch The Walking Dead We record Downton Abbey for him, and he watches it on Mondays.

                                  That's a lie. He reads while we watch TV.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            When I was a teenager, we had a cat. I trained it to do back flips, when I raised my foot in front of it. It got to the point where I almost didn't have to raise my floor at all to trigger the response.

            At night, my cat looks out the windows at its reflection. It's not quite like a mirror. More like it's seeing a ghost. We have no full length mirrors (I already know the joke, Riffle), and I'm kind of afraid of holding the cat so it can see in a mirror.
            "We have no full length mirrors.."

            Was the joke either:

            I only have wide angled ones

            or

            What's the point, Vampires have no reflection

            Trying to decide?
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        My cat is afraid of NOTHING. Not blankets, fake mice, balls,
        Well, he wouldn't be a Whitacre cat if he were afraid of balls...
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