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Is anyone else watching this series?

Holy crap. I put this on last night and it was guns, blood spat, more guns, more blood spat, and every time you turned around there was another zombie. Like a really bad fly problem that was never ending.

I'm on episode 7 now and there's a Zunami coming!

So I think I know what I would do to get away. I would have to get on a boat and just go to a far away island where there was less chance of random zombies appearing.

If you stay on the mainland, they are coming from all over the place. On an island you'd have a chance of weening them down enough to not be afraid of just going to bed at night.
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    You do watch The Walking Dead, right? If not, start binging now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Walking dead is not nearly as bloody as ZNation.

      Walking dead actually has time for plots and stuff.

      Znation can't go longer than 120 seconds without someone getting shot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      You do watch The Walking Dead, right? If not, start binging now.
      The last episode was the best one of the series, in my opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The last episode was the best one of the series, in my opinion.
        It was good. Darryl in the opening scene was great
        If you haven't watched Znation though I'd highly recommend it. To quote Doc, "Zombies, Weed and GMO's, what could go wrong?"
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The last episode was the best one of the series, in my opinion.
        I'm torn. I actually felt the writing was lazy. The way boy and mother go out was anti-climactic and felt purposeless to me. (By the way, Happy Valentines Day, Rick Grimes!). I know it was similar to the comic, but it seemed cheap in this medium.

        I also felt the final scenes where the group just says F' it and goes berserk was lazy. Less of a horde of walkers have taken down better versions of this group, but, "hey, Rick's gone feral so we're all immune. Let's kill these sumbitches." And Daryl could've just used a match. It felt like overkill for the sake of viewer reaction. Save that RPG for Negan's face.

        I'm nitpicking, but I'm a little concerned that the show may have jumped the zombie-shark with the whole Glen death ruse.

        I might invest a little more time in Z Nation as I've only watched the first episode or so.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          I warned you about The Walking Yawn soap opera in a previous thread. It's crap. Now Z-Nation has Zombies, and lots of them, and they get killed again in many inventive and gory ways. That's what it's all about.

          Anyone watching the X-Files, Very entertaining, hope they make more.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            I warned you about The Walking Yawn soap opera in a previous thread. It's crap.
            Anyone watching the X-Files, Very entertaining, hope they make more.
            I don't mind most of the story lines. They typically are what makes TWD one of the best shows on TV. The show touches on the personal struggle of living in such an environment more than any other zombie story ever has. I enjoy that aspect much more than gruesome death scenes. The daily grind is where it's at for me. The emotional toll it would take on the human psyche...

            And that's where the last episode felt cheap to me.

            Regarding the X Files, we'll disagree on that, too. I was expecting a tighter, more cohesive story, not five or six one-off episodes. There are rumors of a possible Miller/Einstein spinoff, but they're just rumors at this point.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              I don't mind most of the story lines. They typically are what makes TWD one of the best shows on TV. The show touches on the personal struggle of living in such an environment more than any other zombie story ever has. I enjoy that aspect much more than gruesome death scenes. The daily grind is where it's at for me. The emotional toll it would take on the human psyche...

              And that's where the last episode felt cheap to me.

              Regarding the X Files, we'll disagree on that, too. I was expecting a tighter, more cohesive story, not five or six one-off episodes. There are rumors of a possible Miller/Einstein spinoff, but they're just rumors at this point.
              What cracks me up about these show's is that the infastructure of the world has broken down and the people left are just using the stuff they have. Unlikely there will be anyone around to make replacements. In a 100 years, everything will be broken or rusty and they will return completely to the middle ages. Still, it is not about that I suppose, just the short term struggle.

              Surely there will be a time when they have killed all the zombies?

              I agree that the X-files could be tighter in direction but still I find it entertaining, Next weeks looks to be a good one. It's familiar but different, this new batch..
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I'm torn. I actually felt the writing was lazy. The way boy and mother go out was anti-climactic and felt purposeless to me. (By the way, Happy Valentines Day, Rick Grimes!). I know it was similar to the comic, but it seemed cheap in this medium.

          I also felt the final scenes where the group just says F' it and goes berserk was lazy. Less of a horde of walkers have taken down better versions of this group, but, "hey, Rick's gone feral so we're all immune. Let's kill these sumbitches." And Daryl could've just used a match. It felt like overkill for the sake of viewer reaction. Save that RPG for Negan's face.

          I'm nitpicking, but I'm a little concerned that the show may have jumped the zombie-shark with the whole Glen death ruse.

          I might invest a little more time in Z Nation as I've only watched the first episode or so.
          You're more of a fan than I am. I think that's why you analyze it more.

          Yeah, in nearly every episode, I ask, "Why don't they just set these zombies on fire? Why not just wipe some zombie innards on a poncho and escape that way?"

          And, a person in good shape could kill hundreds with a sharp sword, and some decent footwork. These zombies can't run. And them changing direction is like moving the Titanic.

          Heck, put on your "zombie innards poncho", sharpen your sword, and make a day of it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            You're more of a fan than I am. I think that's why you analyze it more.

            Yeah, in nearly every episode, I ask, "Why don't they just set these zombies on fire? Why not just wipe some zombie innards on a poncho and escape that way?"

            And, a person in good shape could kill hundreds with a sharp sword, and some decent footwork. These zombies can't run. And them changing direction is like moving the Titanic.

            Heck, put on your "zombie innards poncho", sharpen your sword, and make a day of it.


            You should look up the episodes of Mythbusters where they tested the effectiveness of zombie weapons. There's one from a couple seasons ago and one from the current season.


            And I analyze the show more not because I'm more of a fan, but because I'm more of a critical thinker.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              And I analyze the show more not because I'm more of a fan, but because I'm more of a critical thinker.
              That's very true. But I always thought critical thinking was overrated.


              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Surely there will be a time when they have killed all the zombies?
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              Nope. Remember, everyone that dies, turns into a zombie. So, even the last person alive...will eventually just be the last zombie.

              See? No critical thinking needed...as I've always said.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                That's very true. But I always thought critical thinking was overrated.

                Dammit. You didn't fall for my ruse. I knew it wasn't subtle enough.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            And, a person in good shape could kill hundreds with a sharp sword, and some decent footwork. These zombies can't run. And them changing direction is like moving the Titanic.
            In the comics, there's some characters that kill maybe not hundreds but easily dozens. There was one big dude that killed easily 20 or 30 with an axe early on while locked up in a school gym with them.

            Realistically, the military would put checkpoints with machineguns and it would be a rerun of WW1.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I'm torn. I actually felt the writing was lazy. The way boy and mother go out was anti-climactic and felt purposeless to me. (By the way, Happy Valentines Day, Rick Grimes!). I know it was similar to the comic, but it seemed cheap in this medium.

          I also felt the final scenes where the group just says F' it and goes berserk was lazy. Less of a horde of walkers have taken down better versions of this group, but, "hey, Rick's gone feral so we're all immune. Let's kill these sumbitches." And Daryl could've just used a match. It felt like overkill for the sake of viewer reaction. Save that RPG for Negan's face.

          I'm nitpicking, but I'm a little concerned that the show may have jumped the zombie-shark with the whole Glen death ruse.

          I might invest a little more time in Z Nation as I've only watched the first episode or so.
          I liked it more then TWD. The "crew" in Znation have a purpose and a sense of humor.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I'm torn. I actually felt the writing was lazy.
          (Spoiler Alert!!!)


          I was torn as well. From a pure entertainment (turn off any critical thinking) standpoint, it was a good episode. I fully expected Negan's henchman to kill Abraham and / or Sasha, and didn't see Daryl's save-the-day coming. There were, though, aspects of that scene that weren't very believable (e.g. no one heard a scuffle or thud, or saw Daryl coming around the side of the truck...?). Nitpicky, perhaps, but lazy writing.

          Sam's death was a bit off... They're all looking at and talking to Sam, trying to get him to keep moving, and NO one notices the two walkers approaching...?

          But my biggest issue with this episode was Glenn's apparent magic armor and 20 lives... It actually would have been better storytelling to have let him die in that scene. Sad and gut-wrenching, yes, but it would have been more realistic and impactful to have him go out heroically trying to save Maggie.

          All the "saved in the nick of time" aspects of this episode made it feel a bit like an action movie. Yes, those were feel-good moments, but not particularly good writing.

          I was glad to see Father Gabriel finally step up. Also, the scene where Carol shoots the Wolf and then sees him pull a walker down so that Denise could get to safety - and realize, in that moment, that maybe people can change - was poignant.

          Just wondering what they're going to do with all those burnt walkers in the pond...since fire doesn't actually kill them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post


            But my biggest issue with this episode was Glenn's apparent magic armor and 20 lives...
            Right. I almost feel like this is going to become a running gag. I don't want to say too much, in case folks haven't read the comics or, well, the internet, but I'm starting to feel like the writers are playing a game with viewers' expectations of what's to happen with Glenn and they're going to go sideways and do a switcheroo.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          I was glad to see Father Gabriel finally step up. Also, the scene where Carol shoots the Wolf and then sees him pull a walker down so that Denise could get to safety - and realize, in that moment, that maybe people can change - was poignant.
          Yes, the struggle of the people, the interplay...that's the story.

          Sometimes I wonder why we care for some characters on TV, and not others. I also enjoy watching The Talking Dead after the show.



          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I'm torn. I actually felt the writing was lazy. The way boy and mother go out was anti-climactic and felt purposeless to me. (By the way, Happy Valentines Day, Rick Grimes!). I know it was similar to the comic, but it seemed cheap in this medium.

          I also felt the final scenes where the group just says F' it and goes berserk was lazy. Less of a horde of walkers have taken down better versions of this group, but, "hey, Rick's gone feral so we're all immune. Let's kill these sumbitches." And Daryl could've just used a match. It felt like overkill for the sake of viewer reaction. Save that RPG for Negan's face.
          I just read Cali's post. Nearly everything she said was what I was thinking (my wife as well) watching the episode. I just didn't want to describe the episode.

          I've never read the comics. So I can't compare.

          Yeah, I loved the "Daryl kills Negan's men" scene. It had real tension. And Cali thought about the sounds of a fight, and I hadn't thought of that. But it should have been obvious.

          Rick going out to kill the Walkers was a great scene. What Dad wouldn't do the same thing. Knowing he's going to die, but taking them with him.

          An it was great to see the rest of the survivors step up. Eugene said something about "people will tell the story", and it was a great line.

          But twice, in this episode, someone was saved in the nick of time. I get it, but it's aggravating. The movie 2012 was a movie that just had nick of time saves...the entire movie was made up of them...and it was aggravating. It's lazy story telling.

          But Glenn getting saved at the last second, and the first scene where Daryl saves the group at the last second...was a bit much. One "nick of time" save per episode is enough, in my non-expert opinion

          I agree with Cali, these walkers don't die by drowning. and they really weren't on fire long enough for everything to burn.....

          I love the show. It's incredibly well written and has compelling characters.

          But every second I watch it, I think about how absolutely impossible the whole thing is.
          How can the walkers see? how can they maintain balance when walking? How are the nerves still alive? How is the brain still sending signals to the muscles, eyes...how are they hungry? Why in the world do they want to bite people and eat them? And why does stabbing them in the brain kill them? Aren't they already brain dead?
          In fact, stabbing a live person in the brain is seldom fatal, unless you cut an artery or vein.

          When I watch Superhero movies, I'm really thinking the same thing.....How can Superman fly? It makes no sense. If his density is the reason for his powers,why doesn't he weigh 50,000 pounds? Why the heck is he the same size as we are, the same features? It's like watching Peter Pan.

          But the 5 year old in me, still loves it. I can't think of another explanation.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cali16
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I love the show. It's incredibly well written and has compelling characters.
            Totally agree, which is why I love the show - despite its minor flaws.

            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            But every second I watch it, I think about how absolutely impossible the whole thing is.
            Yes, nothing about the walkers really makes any sense - which is a good thing because, let's face it - a zombie apocalypse would really suck!!

            As long as the writers stay consistent with how the walkers function in TWD's universe, I'm good.

            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            But the 5 year old in me, still loves it. I can't think of another explanation.
            Makes perfect sense! (Now if I could just completely shut off the overly analytical part of my adult brain when I watch the show...!)
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    I read the Walking Dead comics until Volume 15 or 16 and then stopped. It became too much like a soap opera.

    The manga "I am a hero" is probably the best zombie story there is because it's actually original and not just a repeat of every Zombie tropes since Romero's first.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Z Weed! Have you seen the wheel of cheese yet?
      I'm a pretty big Walking Dead fan but I thought Z Nation was better. But then Z has The Murphy and my favorite "Doc".
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Z Weed! Have you seen the wheel of cheese yet?
        I'm a pretty big Walking Dead fan but I thought Z Nation was better. But then Z has The Murphy and my favorite "Doc".
        Not sure I've covered wheel of cheese yet.

        I did see the liberty bell. That was pretty funny.
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          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          Not sure I've covered wheel of cheese yet.

          I did see the liberty bell. That was pretty funny.
          Yeah it was. If you had seen the wheel of cheese you'd remember
          What I really liked about Znation is how they injected humor into the intense (or tense) situations.
          Doc smoking a joint with a zombie in an elevator shaft was hysterical
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    Z nation is a great show - so much fun, but I feel that any comparisons to the Walking Dead are apples and oranges

    Z nation doesn't take it self seriously and is all very tongue in cheek

    Room for both
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      Just hit the cheese wheel.

      I liked the bell better.
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    Will have to check out ZNation.

    As far as TWD goes, all the way thus far through Season 6 I can't help thinking how the writers/producers will need to start bringing it to a close soon.

    There are only 3 ways I can see it ending:

    1 They all die.
    2 The zombies all die
    3 It goes on so long that everyone just gets bored with it.

    I hope they don't take the third path.
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