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Did the Poms "invade" Oz or "settle" there?

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    It depends on whether you believe that Australia was "terra nullus" before 1788 or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author my perusal
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      It depends on whether you believe that Australia was "terra nullus" before 1788 or not.
      I'd better go find Terra and ask her then.
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  • Profile picture of the author DRP
    IMO, "Settled" can be described as doublespeak for "Invading". Very similar to how the Soviets used to call their interrogation chambers, "Negotiation Rooms". Very subtle...but that's how doublespeak works.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Was it an invasion? Let's examine a few factors:

    1. Heavily armed military vessel? - Yes
    2. Under command of a military officer? - Yes
    3. Crew under military discipline? - Yes
    4. Crew heavily armed and under military command and subject to military discipline when ashore? - Yes
    5. Resources taken without permission? - Yes
    6. Clear invitation to come ashore? - No
    7. Clear signs of welcome from the inhabitants? - No
    8. Preparedness to use armed force? - Yes
    9. Captain Cook under active instructions to claim territory? - Yes
    10. Only known Aboriginal artefact, a fighting shield, directly linked to Cook has a bullet hole in it? - Yes


    Draw your own conclusions.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Was it an invasion? Let's examine a few factors:

      1. Heavily armed military vessel? - Yes
      2. Under command of a military officer? - Yes
      3. Crew under military discipline? - Yes
      4. Crew heavily armed and under military command and subject to military discipline when ashore? - Yes
      5. Resources taken without permission? - Yes
      6. Clear invitation to come ashore? - No
      7. Clear signs of welcome from the inhabitants? - No
      8. Preparedness to use armed force? - Yes
      9. Captain Cook under active instructions to claim territory? - Yes
      10. Only known Aboriginal artefact, a fighting shield, directly linked to Cook has a bullet hole in it? - Yes


      Draw your own conclusions.
      It was clearly a peaceful settlement.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    Near me is a place called 1770.

    One place Cook stopped in Queensland ( the name is slightly British) 1770...a beautiful place.

    They stopped to take on water and get some fresh meat.

    At the time it is said the crew ventured up Round Hill Creek.

    If you've been upstream there it is a pretty mosquito and sand fly infested place that you would not want to linger too long.

    They caught and brought back a "Bustard"
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    and ate it for dinner.

    No Bustards there today.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

      No Bustards there today.
      No shortage of bustards in here though.
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Once we found Australia we followed up by bringing our finest criminal minds over. Most were called Bruce. A strange sickness took hold and it caused anyone who settled to adopt a non British, weird hybrid accent and vocabulary.

    Professor Whitacre takes up the story...
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Once we found Australia we followed up by bringing our finest criminal minds over.
      Britain had a long history of sending its undesirables elsewhere. Ugly people are to this day still being sent to America, mostly Florida.

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      Most were called Bruce.
      Except for the sheilas, who were called Sheila.

      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      A strange sickness took hold and it caused anyone who settled to adopt a non British, weird hybrid accent and vocabulary.
      In contrast to the Queen's English as spoken by t' Grand Master in this clip:


      Professor Whitacre takes up the story...
      Looking forward to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    Just wondering but do Australians have different accents in different regions? I can tell the difference between a kiwi and an Australian but if you're an Australian say from Sydney, does an Australian form the other side of the country have a different accent?
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      Just wondering but do Australians have different accents in different regions? I can tell the difference between a kiwi and an Australian but if you're an Australian say from Sydney, does an Australian form the other side of the country have a different accent?
      It's not easy, even for an insider. That's made worse by Australians being fairly fluid in their movements around the country.

      There is a slight difference though. I can tell someone is from Sydney though by how they pronounce the A in words like sale, whale, stale, etc. Sydneysiders pronounce them sarl, wharl, starl and so on.

      People from rural Queensland tend to treat each sentence as a question by adding eh onto the end of it. For example, "Claude is an idiot, eh?", "It's hot today, eh?", "I've got my head stuck in the cupboard, eh?'".

      Apart from that people from the country tend to speak a lot slower and with more of a twang to their accent than city folk.

      That's about it. Obviously it's a bit hard for an insider to notice subtle differences as I get to hear them every day. An outsider might pick up a few more though.
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      • Profile picture of the author alistair
        That's got me thinking now as I have a voice in my head from a faint memory of somebody that I think is kiwi/ Australian saying "eh" at the end of their sentences. I've got a feeling they're a kiwi but might be Australian but can't figure out who it is at the moment, but when I remember I'll let you know, eh.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        It's not easy, even for an insider. That's made worse by Australians being fairly fluid in their movements around the country.

        There is a slight difference though. I can tell someone is from Sydney though by how they pronounce the A in words like sale, whale, stale, etc. Sydneysiders pronounce them sarl, wharl, starl and so on.

        People from rural Queensland tend to treat each sentence as a question by adding eh onto the end of it. For example, "Claude is an idiot, eh?", "It's hot today, eh?", "I've got my head stuck in the cupboard, eh?'".

        Apart from that people from the country tend to speak a lot slower and with more of a twang to their accent than city folk.

        That's about it. Obviously it's a bit hard for an insider to notice subtle differences as I get to hear them every day. An outsider might pick up a few more though.
        In the UK, accents are wide ranging and very distinct, at my worst I suppose I have a Sauff London accent only posher.

        In the north people talk like in the clip above. "Eee by Gum Lass" is a stereotype quote. I have translated it to "The Girl Gets Her Chewing Gum Online"

        In Cornwall everything is a question. "I'm From Mevagissey????" Well are you?. "Proper Job Me Handsome" means that's excellent sir.

        There are many more.
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I'm from Kent but we get a lot of Mockneys this way. If I travel 20 miles to Dartford but still in Kent they have more of a London accent. Don't go to Manchester though or you'll end up like Perry.


    This bloody Aussie eh person though is still niggling away in my brain. Just a matter of time before my memory recalls who it is though.
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