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What's an alternative for "Don't"?
As seen here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tive-dont.html

Now before you say so Robert this thread is probably silly but seriously? Come on man....
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    I don' t get it.

    I guess you are objecting (or why start another thread?) but I find nothing wrong with that thread except it should probably be in the copy writing thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Correct - As to my earlier post as to moving threads in the wrong place, reporting spam etc. etc.
    I guess i could have done a better job....

    Think i need more coffee.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      Correct - As to my earlier post as to moving threads in the wrong place, reporting spam etc. etc.
      I guess i could have done a better job....

      Think i need more coffee.....
      C'mon, Theo, get with the program!!
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    Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

    What's an alternative for "Don't"?
    As seen here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tive-dont.html

    Now before you say so Robert this thread is probably silly but seriously? Come on man....
    Yeah I saw that Thread this morning . Didn't think much about it. And I didn't have much insight so I moved on.

    Maybe you have a legit issue.

    Or maybe it is those third World country 'outsourcers' that we relied on for so many years breaking their backs for us....but now want a piece of the real action LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    And what a mess this thread has become. It went way crazy in a hurry.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...clickbank.html
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      And what a mess this thread has become. It went way crazy in a hurry.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...clickbank.html
      besides the OP being banned for something its been one of the better threads I have seen around for a long time for the discussion that arose out of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        besides the OP being banned for something its been one of the better threads I have seen around for a long time for the discussion that arose out of it.
        Meh... it seemed to me a bunch of old timers really letting things getting to them and showing their lack of emotional control. They need to show a little more discipline in their reactions to the obvious instability of some of the people they were dealing with in that Thread !!

        These long time members should know better !!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I have no opinion on the validity of the person who started the thread...but I think there's a tendency to go overboard by a people who are arguing with threads and with each other in threads they didn't start.

    If you don't believe a poster - say so and then let others decide for themselves. If someone doesn't ask "should I quit my day job" don't post over 20 times arguing the point.

    That thread went "crazy" because of people who should know better getting into arguments in it. Then, when the OP got really frustrated and posted in anger - HE got banned. Crazy stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


      If you don't believe a poster - say so and then let others decide for themselves.
      That's not really allowed on the main forum these days Kay.
      The usual cronies start crying "negative" or "haters"
      Anyone with an opinion that doesn't fit in with the "dream"
      is discouraged from commenting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    I think some of you in the basement are in too deep. When i see Claude jokes going on for pages and pages or even day after day its hard for me to take seriously claims that that thread is crazy.

    the only criteria I see is if its in the basement its intelligent and witty. If its upstairs its crazy. Wolfmii got a bit much but I guess he's just frustrated in seeing people get ripped by chasing dreams.
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      I think some of you in the basement are in too deep. When i see Claude jokes going on for pages and pages or even day after day its hard for me to take seriously claims that that thread is crazy.

      the only criteria I see is if its in the basement its intelligent and witty. If its upstairs its crazy. Wolfmii got a bit much but I guess he's just frustrated in seeing people get ripped by chasing dreams.

      Except threads down here are supposed to be silly and crazy.

      Often a completely innocuous thread down here is just a pretense to lure people into an uncomfortable relationship with Claude.

      But threads upstairs usually (should) have a point and that one went off the rails more than usual for the main discussion forum. I mean it went from questioning the OP's success on Clickbank to arguing whether one is a responsible father and what health insurance costs.

      I was actually surprised how vocal wolfmmiii got. He has been around here a long time and I've never seen him go off like that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

        Except threads down here are supposed to be silly and crazy.
        Nope. We have head threads down here perfectly serious that were nuts and basement dwellers down here have a way of holding themselves out as more intelligent than upstairs with zero to show as proof. Theres also next to no evidence that they are even more seasoned marketers - just been around on the forum longer. Claude jokes were just an example not the whole (but even then why can't upstairs people question the intelligence of telling the same jokes over and over and over again?)

        I mean it went from questioning the OP's success on Clickbank to arguing whether one is a responsible father and what health insurance costs.

        I was actually surprised how vocal wolfmmiii got. He has been around here a long time and I've never seen him go off like that.
        Your are more than somewhat misrepresenting Wolfii's point. Health care came up as a legitimate perk of employment and I don't recall him making any blanket statement about who was or who was not in particular a responsible dad. His theme can be summarized as he did here

        When you have family and responsibilities, they take priority over internet pipe dreams and "doing what you love". When you have expenses to be paid (like health, dental, rent, etc), "doing what you love" doesn't cut it unless you are successful - which most people won't be.

        We "realists" try to keep things real for the people like you who have been fed the "internet riches" dream. Over 90% of the people in this forum have never made a dime online. Of the remaining 10% who have, maybe 5% of those actually are "successful."
        He's right. Every poll of IM says he's right and few succeed even if the numbers are not exact and its mostly chasing a dream. Caring and expressing in a thread where people might get the wrong idea from an OP isn't going off. You can make a solid argument that's looking out for your fellow man (the newbies reading the thread who might get stars in their eyes based on the claims of an OP that no one knows and was shortly thereafter banned)

        thou all dost protest too much. He went a little overboard but his point is worthy in any adult discussion about IM and issues regarding a livelihood.
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        • Profile picture of the author onSubie
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Your are more than somewhat misrepresenting Wolfii's point. Health care came up as a legitimate perk of employment and I don't recall him making any blanket statement about who was or who was not in particular a responsible dad. His theme can be summarized as he did here

          I wasn't for or against any point, just mentioning that much of the discussion veered very far from analyzing/criticizing the Clickbank model espoused by the OP.

          I don't mean to be critical of the replies, I was just surprised how long and hostile they got over an "I made money with Clickbank" post that didn't seem any more outrageous or misleading than other "I had some success" threads that pop up every once in a while.

          And I certainly did not mean to imply that ALL threads down hear are silly and crazy.

          Generally, I read and am bemused by crazy silly threads but I try to refrain from getting sucked in....


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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Here's one for you - and not unusual. First post - only post - and people are flocking to 'answer'...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ts-online.html

    His post was SEVEN words - much shorter than the answers being posted....
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Here's one for you - and not unusual. First post - only post - and people are flocking to 'answer'...
      We are agreed there and the fact that people are even answering such a post makes them worse than the OP (some of which are kids or can barely speak English). On most forums people wold just ignore it and let the thread die. That could go on for two pages based on some threads I have seen in the past.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    The part Mike quoted makes sense and I fully agree with those comments.

    Had that been the contribution I would've been "atta boy". That was in post #64 - after he had already argued with two others in the thread.

    When the person he challenged about health care responded (politely) that he does pay for health care, the next post was also rude....

    So you are gonna do Internet marketing and play music into your 70's???
    Is there something wrong with that? In the same thread he also put down "20 somethings". Do you have to be 21 to start IM? Is there mandatory retirement at 62?

    When you get overly involved in a thread you risk making it too personal and I think that's what happened there - perhaps to more than one person.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


      When the person he challenged about health care responded (politely) that he does pay for health care, the next post was also rude....
      Meh you are going back to your old stand by that if something rubs you the wrong way that you don't like its rude or abrasive. Whats rude about asking someone if they intend to do something until they are 70? I know friends and family that would ask me stuff likaethat. Nothing wrong with it at all.

      Is there something wrong with that? In the same thread he also put down "20 somethings". Do you have to be 21 to start IM?
      Well.

      A) You are misrepresenting the context. Post 65 mention being 20 year olds and then Wolfmii stated another 20 something thinking he knows it all (not all) - and yeah there are some 20 somethings that think they know it all - newflash! - you won't know it all even in your 40 somethings.

      B) It would help. What? are we supposed to ignore that a lot of people who get sucked into the IM dream, easy money aren't young and wet behind the ears? I think IM MMO attracts them like sugar does flies precisely at a time when they are vunerable and also the time when they could get started making something of themselves. I'll say it . I know very few 19 years olds in The US mature enough to choose IM for a lifetime. I do know other cultures where you mature (and have to ) a whole lot faster but seriously is going around buying up WSOs and doing click bank advertising some incredible sign of maturity?

      Sorry but you are all complaining simply because a poster was strongly injecting a reality check into a thread. Should have more not less. Especially since we know darn well this is a fake it till you make it prone business.

      Serious questions - Don't you think having a climate where people don't inject reality into IM is part of its problem? How can you not see that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I'm not misrepresenting anything and you know that.

    Any musician knows you don't stop playing music at some magic age....and many people who enjoy their work keep working well past retirement age.

    You had someone who DID leave a lucrative job - is happy earning a living with his music and online work. Isn't that what many here want to do? That wasn't a person sucked into a dream - it was someone living as he chooses. That's not a negative - or at least it shouldn't be.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I'm not misrepresenting anything and you know that.
      Au contraire Kay. I know no such thing. Don't try to play mind reader so you can indirectly insinuate dishonesty on my part. I know you were misrepresenting because the 20 something came from the context of 20 being brought up before by someone besides Wolmii

      Any musician knows you don't stop playing music at some magic age....and many people who enjoy their work keep working well past retirement age.
      And how many are living off that and IM? You've completely taken it out of its financial security context.

      You had someone who DID leave a lucrative job - is happy earning a living with his music and online work. Isn't that what many here want to do? That wasn't a person sucked into a dream - it was someone living as he chooses. That's not a negative - or at least it shouldn't be.
      Of course it can be negative if in fact it turns out they can't support themselves and loved ones around them down the line. Thats the whole point Wolfmii was making and you missed it Did you even read his other posts? his issue is people giving up their jobs before they have established a continuity of success and are able to do so safely. Its what more than one set of parents have told their kids and been right when they have to pick up the phone and call mom and dad to help them or move back home. Life isn't a Disney movie where by golly "as long as you are living your dream that you put in your head its going to be okay"

      And no you can't tell anyone how to live and they can do as they wish but its a forum and a poster is entirely within his right in a discussion to point out the dangers it may hold for the person and others.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post





        Thats the whole point Wolfmii was making and you missed it Did you even read his other posts? his issue is people giving up their jobs before they have established a continuity of success and are able to do so safely.

        And no you can't tell anyone how to live and they can do as they wish but its a forum and a poster is entirely within his right in a discussion to point out the dangers it may hold for the person and others.
        Nope. Wrong. Whats up with you MA?? I think the absence of PB has played havoc on your brain. You're just not thinking rationally

        I suggest you go back and read the beginning of the Thread. Obviously you have done no such thing.

        The OP original Post he said ONE sentence about thinking about quitting his job. ONE sentence . The rest was centered around his experience with PPC and his method.

        I would grant it to you if he had talked about qutting his job as the main theme in his Post. But he didn't.
        He did no such thing !

        The fact that these two Warriors went on and on about it ...well it was TOTALLY out of context. At least at this juncture when they started talking about it.

        Was there Truth to what they aid. YES !! Just out of context which caused the derailment into ugliness of this Thread.

        Secondly, I find it interesting that the guy you mentioned above is also a Warrior who started a a Thread last week about Traffic and how his Sig was not getting the Clicks they should have been getting based on the traffic stats.

        Uhmm... Wonder how many clicks on his Sig he got in this Thread ??? Like I said when I see people arguing over and over about something that on the outside seems upstanding but is actually moot to the OP Post ...well it makes me wonder about intent !!

        Like I said MA you are dropping the ball lately. First it was sucking up to your nemesis and now this.
        What is wrong with you son

        P.S. Nothing but love busting some MA balls on a early Thursday evening.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          Nope. Wrong. Whats up with you MA?? I think the absence of PB has played havoc on your brain. You're just not thinking rationally
          Yawn Robert. Whats up? can't take a difference of opinion without going to the same Juvenile PB thing over and over again? You need to buy a copy writing WSO to come up with new material? I'm getting complaints from the cemetery that somebody's been digging up all the plots. That you looking for old jokes?

          Obviously you have done no such thing.
          Read the whole thing....lol...your batting average on being right is even lower than usual (which is saying sumthing) today so maybe fantasizing about me and PB is affecting you

          The OP original Post he said ONE sentence about thinking about quitting his job. ONE sentence
          So what even if that were true? (it isn't because there were multiple posts about jobs vs online business) Somebody thinking of killing themselves isn't an issue no one would address if its only one mention? new two mention rule in a WF post to comment on an issue? irrational much?


          Uhmm... Wonder how many clicks on his Sig he got in this Thread ??? Like I said when I see people arguing over and over about something that on the outside seems upstanding but is actually moot to the OP Post ...well it makes me wonder about intent !!
          Now if if that don't beat all. Complaining about others getting nasty and here you are getting all nasty about what someone's intent is when you don't have the foggiest.

          Like I said MA you are dropping the ball lately.
          Not far enough to think what you think matters son, no sink hole that deep in my neighborhood...lol
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          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          Nope. Wrong. Whats up with you MA?? I think the absence of PB has played havoc on your brain. You're just not thinking rationally

          I suggest you go back and read the beginning of the Thread. Obviously you have done no such thing.

          The OP original Post he said ONE sentence about thinking about quitting his job. ONE sentence . The rest was centered around his experience with PPC and his method.

          I would grant it to you if he had talked about qutting his job as the main theme in his Post. But he didn't.
          He did no such thing !

          The fact that these two Warriors went on and on about it ...well it was TOTALLY out of context. At least at this juncture when they started talking about it.

          Was there Truth to what they aid. YES !! Just out of context which caused the derailment into ugliness of this Thread.

          Secondly, I find it interesting that the guy you mentioned above is also a Warrior who started a a Thread last week about Traffic and how his Sig was not getting the Clicks they should have been getting based on the traffic stats.

          Uhmm... Wonder how many clicks on his Sig he got in this Thread ??? Like I said when I see people arguing over and over about something that on the outside seems upstanding but is actually moot to the OP Post ...well it makes me wonder about intent !!

          Like I said MA you are dropping the ball lately. First it was sucking up to your nemesis and now this.
          What is wrong with you son

          P.S. Nothing but love busting some MA balls on a early Thursday evening.
          My sig got maybe a handful of clicks. Know something about me before making accusations.

          I wasn't "complaining" about clicks. I made an observation that overnight, the forum showed 7x the number of usual visitors yet my click stats didn't reflect that. Not sure where you get "complaining about clicks" from.
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            My sig got maybe a handful of clicks. Know something about me before making accusations.
            .
            Well, I really thought that you and a few others got way too emotional and sidetracked in that Thread.

            But I admit I also got carried away with you all getting carried away lol

            I went back and read what I wrote. And it was a little presumptuous I must say.

            So you are right, my bad. From what I gather about you, you have offered some really spot on advice over the years
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    if in fact it turns out they can't support themselves and loved ones around them down the line
    When someone says they are doing well financially and have been ffor some time - I don't think it's necessary to tell them "down the line you might not do well". After all, you could keep the job and be fired or laid off down the line, too.

    Looks like the thread was nuked anyway - so doesn't matter in the end.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      When someone says they are doing well financially and have been ffor some time - I don't think it's necessary to tell them "down the line you might not do well"
      Valid issue on a business forum. Short term success vs long term is completely legit discussion no matter what you think. Business 101 consideration as to profitability and viability. Saw no rules we can only discuss short term strategies or consider only momentary success. Sorry some old timers here think they have back seat modding credential they don't have. Further this is the nonsense that has launched a hundred shaky WSOs. "I did this and it will make you two thousand dollars like it did me" (when the person already knows it has diminishing returns why they are selling the idea in a PDF for $9.97)


      After all, you could keep the job and be fired or laid off down the line, too.
      and Kay that would be a perfectly decent counter point for discussion rather than whining that people shouldn't have different opinion than the one you hold to and if they do they are being rude.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

    I was actually surprised how vocal wolfmmiii got. He has been around here a long time and I've never seen him go off like that.
    Not really, the MF (What goes on in there) has the ability to defy all logic.

    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    His post was SEVEN words - much shorter than the answers being posted....
    Who's worse, the idiot who started the thread or the many idiots actually answering?
    My vote is for the latter...
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    That thread went downhill when the name-calling began...

    I was called a retard
    I was called a slave
    I was called a bad father

    Anyone who saw that thread saw that I never once called anyone any names - it's simply not how I operate.The very worst thing I did was say that quitting a job without a means to support yourself is "idiotic". Unfortunately, some people dont have the intelligence to discern the difference between calling an "action" idiotic and calling a person an idiot - two very different things.

    My main adversary in that thread also began PMing me as well.

    Call it ego, immaturity, etc but I will never let someone impugn me on a public forum without responding. Just isn't gonna happen.
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