Fuuuuuuuuu... I've been screwed and I need your help

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Well, I really hoped it wouldn't come to this, but I don't know where to turn.

I've just been kicked from my mom's house. I'm 20 in October and already in deep financial ****. I HAD a plan to get out of debt, get my website up and running, and have a great WSO in mind for future, but I can't do any of that right now because (!) our strained relationship has finally broken.

This is not some petty argument blown out of proportion, so let's please skip the patronizing "it's hard for teens and parents". At worst, parents should be just annoying - can't stay out till 5 AM or get your nose pierced. I discovered from a very young age (try five years old) that I cannot have a simple conversation with my mother - everything I'd say would be used against me later. For quite sometime she's lied to me, stabbed me in the back, spat in the face of my hopes and dreams, and made it quite clear that she really has no faith in me succeeding in life. She's also arrogant and thinks she knows everything about life in money... despite the fact she's got 20 years of law experience, making $40,000/year AND is $20,000 in debt. She talks forever about getting another job, but won't do it. She's also the kind of person who spends hours on hours highlighting self-help books, but never actually does anything the books suggest she do.

I don't have a dad to run to, either. I thought I did for the first 11 years of my life, before everything about his past came exposed to the light and he was officially diagnosed as a sociopath. But we're not here to talk about him.

I've been described as the "black sheep" in my family on numerous occasions - different clothing style, different music, different religion, different fill-in-the-blank. I'm sure all you successful Warriors out there know how hard it is to explain Internet Marketing... well, not only do I just look different from my mother, but I don't have the same plans in life. I take college courses that I WANT to take, not courses for a degree that I'm not interested in and will pay me very little. I'm moving towards bigger, better things. I live life TODAY, and live it to the fullest. All of the above threatens her world-view, and now that she's given up on making me be like her, she's all about control control control.

I stood up to the constant jerking around, and where did I end up? At my boyfriend's house, staying in his sister's room (he's still at home). I can't stay here forever though. He works in an extended stay hotel where he can get me a place to stay there, $800/mo with of course, full furnishings, internet and cable. We plan to get an apartment eventually anyway, so this is a place to sleep for a few months.

Now here's the kicker: I barely make $500/mo at my current retail job, he makes about the same (as most of his money goes toward his car, he's constantly broke). I'm looking for a second job. I'm in debt. I'm still buying a car from a (now former) neighbor but now those payments are pushed further back. I don't even know if I can pay hosting for my goddamn website, which I REALLY don't want to give up as that would mean I'd have to start from scratch again.

Suggestions? Advice? HELP??

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To seasoned and Kay King:

The whole "let's knock the young ones" has been done to death. I'm sure you had the same wisdom at your ages as you did at 20. I asked for help. Don't like it? It's called the Back button.

Now.

I'm human. I've f***ed up and so has she. I'm not perfect and I can admit that. I also know that age does not guarantee, or equal, intelligence or maturity. I've seen mature 13 year olds and highly immature 30 year olds.

I don't need personal attacks. I need to know where I'll sleep and how I'll feed myself, kthx.
  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    Relax, stop worrying, stop trying to figure it out, and let life happen.
    Seriously if you sit around worrying and trying to figure out how to get out of that mess then that is all you will do.
    You know your situation, you know what you need to do. Your opportunities will show themselves when you stop trying to force them.
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  • Profile picture of the author lilhay
    I have been in the same boat you are in now. It's hard and I know it.
    Now you need to push through and be persistant. You can't quit now.
    You seem like you believe in yourself enough to make it happen.

    My family constantly told me..forget all that home business nonsense and
    get a good job..blah..blah. My response was " and be like you, barely getting by every month."
    Now I have a paid for house, cars and out of debt because I believed in myself and
    didn't let negativity from my family stop me. Don't get me wrong. Your family loves
    you and usually wants the best for you. Most just don't understand anything but
    working for someone else for most of their lives.

    I will tell you this..when the money is flowing like water, you will not hear anything
    but praise from your family and of course the usual..."can I borrow some money"..lol

    Don't let anything stop you from acheiving your goals and dreams!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Black sheep here, too.

    First off - a hotel room that costs more than you make is NO favor. Get on craigslist and look for work/rent, share/rent situations. If you get ahold of a looney, then you can use your boyfriend's wild card to get out of a bad situation there. But a lot of people will be willing to rent a room in exchange for help with work or kids. Some will be cheap rent - some free for the help.

    Then find out what grants you can get for school. Forget loans - you don't need to start out with a huge debt. Pell grant should cover you for your situation. You just need to figure out a direction to take school that you will actually LIKE what you learn. There are jobs out there that call for indepence in some fields, or even areas of specialty that you can take your degree and go into business for yourself. A lot of people in ecological and geological fields are making it on their own business and loving every minute of life. The grant should help cover your cost of living in your situation, too. You might not be serious about school with pressure to go into certain fields -- but when you start moving in your own chosen direction, it can be a real kick. Trust me on that one.

    Then - as Thom says, take it on the flow. I've been up and down so many times that they've probably named a roller coaster after me. And I seem to do fine either way - it always turns out alright.

    Uh....I don't know what you did to get so far in debt at your age either, but you are about to get a lesson in the difference between a need and a want. It will surprise you to find out how actually happy you can be without a lot of material crap and how many gadgets that zap your finances are only addictive little toys with no real value in the long scheme of things.

    And last........life is only a series of events. It isn't always easy, but it never has to be boring. Go with the flow, let stuff happen, and enjoy the ride wherever the road takes you. It doesn't matter what you PLAN to do - life seldom turns out just the way we PLAN it. I'm starting to be very glad that it doesn't. I would have missed a lot of people and places if it had.
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    Make up with your mother.
    Or suffer anguish when she's gone.

    Serious.

    Do you intend to never see her again?

    Live goes by so darn quickly. You'll see.

    This could turn into a bitter memory that could turn you into someone
    you hate.

    STOP NOW!

    Relax and think....Kindness.

    How much kindness can YOU generate!
    Was it the Beatles that said the "love you take is the love you make"

    Cool off and dig deep to find a time you did enjoy you mom.

    I would have to think you can now find a pleasant memory or two.

    At your age it seems to take forever for Friday to hit when you're
    on Monday.
    "she spends hours highlighting self help books.."
    Ever wonder why?

    We ALL have our internal issues.

    How was her upbringing?

    We could trade horror stories about how bad things were.
    Few I've met had a glorious perfect every day childhood.
    No, actually I've never met anyone that can report that.

    It is YOU that needs to fix this.(did not say it is all your fault but it takes two)

    Or you could be doomed to repeat the exact crap with your
    children should you plan to have some.

    We are creatures of habit too.

    And I know too well that arguing and fighting and getting angry
    at the "other" person because it is "all there fault" is too easy.

    There is something called "familiar spirits" in the bible.

    You'll doubt I suspect but, families often have a recurring "issue" through out
    the generations.

    Some beat there children.The child says, "I will never.." and then they do.
    Some are criminals. Some incestuous.
    Some never express love.

    However these CAN be stopped successfully. With effort.

    You asked so, I needed to express this.
    I'm 55 and regret many things.Too late now though.

    Take a path in your life where you make the people you meet feel
    glad to have met you even for a moment.
    The past is past.

    Please trust me on this, you can control your inside,even when the outside
    seems like crap.
    No expert on this end but, with conscious effort you CAN make it better.

    If you showed you mom calmness and kindness, no matter what AND she
    still treated you poorly, at least you can be proud thinking you did the best
    you could have.
    Did you do the best you could have?

    You might consider reading Viktor Frankl's book Man's Search for Meaning.
    It might be worth a quick read for you.

    I wish you much success.

    You are at a point now where you need to decide how your future will be, filled
    with resentment, or enjoying an inner smile because you are actually happy with
    your life! You are the one in control.

    May you find what you're looking for or at least learn what really is
    important before you end up like me, an old crap ass

    God bless you!
    John
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Instead of the negative, look for the positive. I count every day as a blessing.
    Sal gave some good advice, go to craigslist and find a place to share. I don't know about where you live, but you should be able to find a decent place to share with someone for a lot less than an extended stay motel.
    Then get a good budget. This site sells things, but the guy also is great with finacial advice: Real Debt Help - Get out of debt with Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover Plan.
    John Kane also makess a lot of sense. I'm the same age as he is and one of the biggest regrets I have in life is that my father passed away about 3 years ago , and for the 3-4 years before that, we didn't say one word to each other.
    Now that I am sick, my kids call me almost every day,even if it's just to say hello,and of course my point is, just like I understood John Kanes to be,is you don't know what you have til its gone.
    My father was a hard man to know, but I do know he had a hard life.
    Your mother may seem inpossible to talk to now, but if she is gone tomorrow, I bet you could find a thousand things you wish you had said to her.
    My advice is start saying them now. It will be hard, and she will thinkyour crazy, but you will be so glad you did in the long run.
    I'll probably add more later, but either way, good luck!
    Kim
    PS: One of the most overlook books out there is Gail Sheehey's(sp?) Passages.
    I highly recommend you pick a copy up from the local library and see how others have faced what you are now.
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  • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
    Check and see what colleges are around you.
    Look into some kind of computer repair,software,something to do with what your doing right now.
    Use the pell grant and when you apply say youll need it for expenses.Then look at housing on campus.
    Youll have free room,electric,place to think,work on your sites,ect...
    That will be a load off your mind and then you can get back ontrack.
    Im looking into doing it myself right now.Im 53 years old and my construction company has failed.
    Now my wife and i might be evicted next week.
    Looks like where going on a camping trip maybe.
    Theres more of us that are hurting right now.
    You can do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    A Native American boy was talking with his grandfather.

    "What do you think about the world situation?" he asked.
    The grandfather replied, "I feel like two wolves are fighting in my heart.
    One is full of anger and hatred.
    The other is full of love, forgiveness, and peace."

    "Which one will win?" asked the boy.

    To which the grandfather replied, "The one I feed."

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It sounds like it's been a rocky relationship but why would a Mother want to continue supporting a daughter who clearly detests her? How many years of free housing does she owe you? At what point do you start taking responsibility for your own life and stop complaining about your childhood?

      I take college courses that I WANT to take, not courses for a degree that I'm not interested in and will pay me very little. I'm moving towards bigger, better things. I live life TODAY, and live it to the fullest.
      Problem is you're not a rebellious teen any longer. You can live your life as you choose, do what you want, avoid things you don't like to do...but with that freedom comes the obligation to pay your own way.

      A boyfriend who spends all his money on a car and lives with his sister doesn't sound like "bigger and better". You make $500 a month and are looking at paying $800 for a place to live. You bought a car but aren't making payments. You complain about your Mother's debt - but have debt of your own. Your anger seems to be based on the fact that you may have to take care of yourself while you wait for life to become its "fullest".

      Welcome to the real word - reality bites, doesn't it?

      Kicking you out may be the biggest favor your Mother's ever done for you. At 20, it's time to grow up and you won't do that as long as someone else provides for you and gives you fuel for complaints. Maybe you should look outside your "me me" version of life and see how other people are living these days.

      All over this country, people are losing their homes, students are finding they can't afford college, those who've worked hard for years find themselves unemployed and broke. Whole families are living in tent cities and trying to explain to their children why everything they had is gone. In other countries our Soldiers risk their lives every day while their families here struggle with fear for their safety.

      Take a deep breath, put the anger behind you and stop the pity party. You are young and healthy and your life will be what you make it.

      kay
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    • Profile picture of the author talfighel
      Originally Posted by John M Kane View Post

      A Native American boy was talking with his grandfather.

      "What do you think about the world situation?" he asked.
      The grandfather replied, "I feel like two wolves are fighting in my heart.
      One is full of anger and hatred.
      The other is full of love, forgiveness, and peace."

      "Which one will win?" asked the boy.

      To which the grandfather replied, "The one I feed."

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      John,

      That is a great quote my friend. Very inspiring. Make us think about what we think about in our own minds.

      Tal
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    • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
      Originally Posted by glazebrookwarrior View Post

      your signature 2 months ago was how you was making $100,000+ per annum and the next step was 7 figures.....so what happened there? you was prmoting all those B*S* forex robots that could turn $1,000 into $2 million by Xmas..why didn't you trade them...? Or is that where you lost all your money?

      I see they have disappeared now......Typical.
      Man! You like kicking someone when they are down eh?
      ANY chance to stay ON TOPIC?
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by glazebrookwarrior View Post

        your signature 2 months ago was how you was making $100,000+ per annum and the next step was 7 figures.....so what happened there? you was promoting all those B*S* forex robots that could turn $1,000 into $2 million by Xmas..why didn't you trade them...? Or is that where you lost all your money?

        I see they have disappeared now......Typical. Next time be more careful about what you post. It's come back to haunt you.


        glazebrookwarrior, it's a tactic that many noobies use when theya re just starting out. They honestly don't know better because they bought one of the latest gooroos ebooks that tells them that's what they need to do.

        Originally Posted by John M Kane View Post

        Man! You like kicking someone when they are down eh?
        ANY chance to stay ON TOPIC?
        John M Kane, as much as I hate to say it, he does bring up a very legitimate point.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          glazebrookwarrior, it's a tactic that many noobies use when theya re just starting out. They honestly don't know better because they bought one of the latest gooroos ebooks that tells them that's what they need to do.
          Sometimes, you are hard to figure out. HERE, for example.....

          They BUY a book written in English! They know that it says to say this stuff in a sig line. Somehow, they forget all English when it comes to READING that sig line?

          You say they HONESTLY don't know better? How can you HONESTLY say that?

          As for kicking someone when they are down, have you ever heard the statement "Give someone a fish, and you feed them for a day. Teach someone to fish, and you feed them for a lifetime."? Well, sometimes people need a "KICKstart".

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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Sometimes, you are hard to figure out. HERE, for example.....

            They BUY a book written in English! They know that it says to say this stuff in a sig line. Somehow, they forget all English when it comes to READING that sig line?

            You say they HONESTLY don't know better? How can you HONESTLY say that?

            As for kicking someone when they are down, have you ever heard the statement "Give someone a fish, and you feed them for a day. Teach someone to fish, and you feed them for a lifetime."? Well, sometimes people need a "KICKstart".

            Steve
            Sometimes I'm hard to figure out??
            I haven't a clue what you you think I said here and what your trying to say........
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    BTW I said make up. I didn't say go back.
    Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

    Someone once said, probably a NLPer;
    "The meaning of your communication is
    the response you get"

    Rephrased it could mean how people treat
    you is DIRECTLY dependent upon how
    YOU treat them.

    Maybe you might know of someone that
    no matter what troubles they have, they
    always "seem" to be happy?

    Model them. Talk to them. Ask what they
    are doing "inside" to make that happen.

    I wax nostalgic here; I feel todays music,
    movies,TV and the "cocooning" due to the
    internet, has really distanced US.

    Yeah, there always has been Mr and Mrs Richard Heads
    and news travels faster and further, still there
    is a greater disconnect then ever.

    When I got a new job working in a hospital I met
    many volunteers there. I wondered WTF? Why the
    H do they work for free?!

    Then as time went by I got to talk with them and soon
    discovered that they were some of the happiest people
    I've met.
    I even discussed this with some and they generally had some
    story to tell that was interesting.

    One had lost a daughter to cancer and was unable to cope with
    her loss. Some how she was advised to try volunteering and it
    gave her back her life.
    One had a severe industrial accident and had over 1 1/2 years of
    recovery. He was permanently handicapped,physically, but not
    mentally. He made great friends with the doctors and nurses and
    wanted to give back. He worked repairing electronic equipment as
    that was his skill.

    I want to thank you for opening this thread as it has
    caused me to ponder my past and to remember some
    good times I had put away in deep storage

    Good luck again young lady,
    John-boy
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

    Well, I really hoped it wouldn't come to this, but I don't know where to turn.

    I've just been kicked from my mom's house. I'm 20 in October and already in deep financial ****. I HAD a plan to get out of debt, get my website up and running, and have a great WSO in mind for future, but I can't do any of that right now because (!) our strained relationship has finally broken.
    It seems like you take after what you say your mother is!

    Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

    This is not some petty argument blown out of proportion, so let's please skip the patronizing "it's hard for teens and parents".
    You're NOT a teen anymore!

    Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

    At worst, parents should be just annoying - can't stay out till 5 AM or get your nose pierced. I discovered from a very young age (try five years old) that I cannot have a simple conversation with my mother - everything I'd say would be used against me later. For quite sometime she's lied to me, stabbed me in the back, spat in the face of my hopes and dreams, and made it quite clear that she really has no faith in me succeeding in life.
    JOIN THE CLUB! I could tell you stories about MINE! OH MAN! I moved THOUSANDS of miles away from her partly just to get away. NO, I am NOT kidding! I USED to live right ON the west coast. NOW, I live close to the east coast. Well, she is POOR, OLD, etc.... She is on Section 8! STILL, she recently(about 10 years after I moved), moved within 7 miles of me! NO JOKE! NOW, she is complaining because her apartment manager hates her guts! She is trying to move into MY place! How is THAT for STARTERS!!!!!!! BTW I am in my FOURTIES!!!!!!!

    Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

    She's also arrogant and thinks she knows everything about life in money... despite the fact she's got 20 years of law experience, making $40,000/year AND is $20,000 in debt. She talks forever about getting another job, but won't do it. She's also the kind of person who spends hours on hours highlighting self-help books, but never actually does anything the books suggest she do.
    Your point is??????? Some STUPID lawyers make MILLIONS! Income doesn't say ANYTHING about intelligence. Some of the smartest people are POOR! Some of the dumbest are RICH! And NOW is not the time to look for a job anyway!

    Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

    I don't have a dad to run to, either. I thought I did for the first 11 years of my life, before everything about his past came exposed to the light and he was officially diagnosed as a sociopath. But we're not here to talk about him.
    That's OK, you seem to indicate making a lot is SIMPLE, etc.... TAKE THE INITIATIVE! There are THOUSANDS of "self-help books" you can "highlight" and do what they "suggest". Maybe you can make a LOT!

    Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

    I've been described as the "black sheep" in my family on numerous occasions - different clothing style, different music, different religion, different fill-in-the-blank. I'm sure all you successful Warriors out there know how hard it is to explain Internet Marketing... well, not only do I just look different from my mother, but I don't have the same plans in life. I take college courses that I WANT to take, not courses for a degree that I'm not interested in and will pay me very little. I'm moving towards bigger, better things. I live life TODAY, and live it to the fullest. All of the above threatens her world-view, and now that she's given up on making me be like her, she's all about control control control.
    $40,000 goes farther when there is only ONE person. You seem to want a society that will give you everything NO QUESTIONS ASKED. You had that for 18 years. Your mother didn't HAVE to cover you for the last 2-3 years, but she DID! HEY, NOW YOU'RE FREE!

    Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

    I stood up to the constant jerking around, and where did I end up? At my boyfriend's house, staying in his sister's room (he's still at home). I can't stay here forever though. He works in an extended stay hotel where he can get me a place to stay there, $800/mo with of course, full furnishings, internet and cable. We plan to get an apartment eventually anyway, so this is a place to sleep for a few months.
    CAREFUL, HE doesn't have to cover you EITHER, and the hotel may rescind the offer!

    Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

    Now here's the kicker: I barely make $500/mo at my current retail job, he makes about the same (as most of his money goes toward his car, he's constantly broke). I'm looking for a second job. I'm in debt. I'm still buying a car from a (now former) neighbor but now those payments are pushed further back. I don't even know if I can pay hosting for my goddamn website, which I REALLY don't want to give up as that would mean I'd have to start from scratch again.

    Suggestions? Advice? HELP??
    Well, you KNOW where I stand. I am just telling you how it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkKennedy
      All this "stay positive" and "stay focused" advice is great and you should do that.

      BUT, let's also face a little reality here: you are making $500 a month at your job. Even if you are paid minimum wage, that means you are working LESS THAN 16 hours a week. So, the obvious advice should be: get off your lazy a$$ and work full time. Go to Burger King and flip burgers if you have to until you find something better. You have no business trying to be an internet marketer if you can't pay your bills and survive without living in mommy's house. That is something you do once you have some stability. If you are worried about not being able to pay for a hosting account - which costs less than $10 in nearly all cases - you have a much bigger problem.

      You're 20 years old for god's sake: grow up and start taking some responsibilty for yourself. Stop whinning about it here and do something to fix your situation.

      Time to wake up and grow up.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Your profile says your in Austin Texas.
    One of my daughters decided to drop out of college and work.
    She is currently a waitress at a mom and pop place.In other words,not a chain,though she did work for a short time ar BW3.
    She is easily bring home $400-$500 a week in tips alone.
    Contrary to what a lot of people think, food service is hard work, but it can bring you lots of cash quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Your profile says your in Austin Texas.
      One of my daughters decided to drop out of college and work.
      She is currently a waitress at a mom and pop place.In other words,not a chain,though she did work for a short time ar BW3.
      She is easily bring home $400-$500 a week in tips alone.
      Contrary to what a lot of people think, food service is hard work, but it can bring you lots of cash quickly.
      Yeah, but tips are REALLY supposed to be a gratuity! Something given out FREELY! Traditionally, they are only paid if you are given good service, and paid out commensurate with that. Granted, some restaurants raise their prices and call part of it a gratuity. That is just a SCAM that rips off everyone, but the worst help.

      That means that you should get paid more if you listen, and act as if the customers are the only ones there and just give them GREAT service. I don't know if some REALLY want to do that.

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Yeah, but tips are REALLY supposed to be a gratuity! Something given out FREELY! Traditionally, they are only paid if you are given good service, and paid out commensurate with that. Granted, some restaurants raise their prices and call part of it a gratuity. That is just a SCAM that rips off everyone, but the worst help.

      That means that you should get paid more if you listen, and act as if the customers are the only ones there and just give them GREAT service. I don't know if some REALLY want to do that.

      Steve
      Steve , you are absolutely right. I HATE places that automatically add the tip in,at that point is is no longer a tip but a service fee.
      And I have a confession, my daughter is drop dead georgous. Many are often telling her she could be a model. And while I have never gone to her place of business and been waited on by her, I am sure she takes advantage of her looks !
      But even if the OP could only make 50% of what my daughter makes she would still be doubling her income!

      Originally Posted by glazebrookwarrior View Post

      no,no..you got to take responsibiltiy..."the guru made me say it" does not cut it in my book

      And what aboutt he poor suckers who beleived ehr and bough the product becasue of this? Maybe they are in a worse postion now? But we do not care about them.
      I wasn't justifying it, I was offering a possible explanation. Did you buy it and are you in a worse position because of it?
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Steve , you are absolutely right. I HATE places that automatically add the tip in,at that point is is no longer a tip but a service fee.
        And I have a confession, my daughter is drop dead georgous. Many are often telling her she could be a model. And while I have never gone to her place of business and been waited on by her, I am sure she takes advantage of her looks !
        But even if the OP could only make 50% of what my daughter makes she would still be doubling her income!
        OK, I have a confession. A waitress that is "drop dead georgous" will probably get more from me than one that is very plain, but ONLY if she gave me service that was at least as good. Granted, some guys might be different, but that is how I am.

        Yeah, $500/month is like $6000/year. even before taxes it can't be more than $8000. With an average work week, that comes to 3.84/hour! Just last month they raised the minimum wage to $7.25! That is $15080/year($1256/month). The average US tax rate for that is supposed to be 15%, which brings it to $12818/year($1068/month). Assuming that her car and insurance were as high as mine were in california, that gives her $8818/year which is $734/month.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          First, don't pay attention to all those on this thread standing on their soap box wagging their fingers at you. Now's not the time for that crap, you need to survive.

          Here's the two posts that make sense and actually offer good advice:

          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Black sheep here, too.

          First off - a hotel room that costs more than you make is NO favor. Get on craigslist and look for work/rent, share/rent situations. If you get ahold of a looney, then you can use your boyfriend's wild card to get out of a bad situation there. But a lot of people will be willing to rent a room in exchange for help with work or kids. Some will be cheap rent - some free for the help.
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Your profile says your in Austin Texas.
          One of my daughters decided to drop out of college and work.
          She is currently a waitress at a mom and pop place.In other words,not a chain,though she did work for a short time ar BW3.
          She is easily bring home $400-$500 a week in tips alone.
          Contrary to what a lot of people think, food service is hard work, but it can bring you lots of cash quickly.
          If I had a daughter, one survival skill I'd insist she learn is how to be a waitress. At your age, without any special skills, the only way to make a decent dollar is working for tips. And I'm not sure that you don't have to be 21.

          Not only will you make a little more money, but you also have cashflow and get paid every day. If you're totally broke, chances are you can't wait 2-3 weeks to get your first pay check.

          And as a waitress you usually get a meal or a food discount. Food and cashflow are two essentials for survival.

          It's not glamorous and is hard work. And not all waitress jobs will pay you enough. You may get bad shifts, not enough hours, or the bad "station" when your first start out, but keep trying.

          At least get a FULL TIME fast food job, which will pay more than $500 a month. We all did it at some time. I did my 6 weeks at Taco Bell when I was your age, until someting better came along.

          Just get something going right now. Then get back to IM and trying to make some money online.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by glazebrookwarrior View Post

      LOL.....i wouldn't touch any of that garbage with a ten foot pole but I guess, in fact it's a fact, many bought them hoping the B*S* wasn't B*S*. Of ourse it was.



      so you saying she really did not know any better to to tell lies? I mean is she retarded or something? If I missed something fair enough otherwise all this "do not kick her when she is down is b*S*."

      I hope she has learnt big lesson from this? We'll see.

      I'm very curious, you weren't even a member 2 months ago,on a forum that has over 144,000 members, how is it you know a specific member's sig from two months ago plus the number of sales she had from it? You are posting like someone with a grudge, not someone trying to contribute to the thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author lharding
    There's little point in looking over your past (unless you can gain some happiness from it). Take stock of where you are now, and tell the story of how you want your life to unfold from this point.

    Your teenage years are probably no different to any others. You think you know everything and are constantly at odds with your parent. Sounds familiar. You're an adult so of course you are not going to see things the way your mother does. That's life. The challenge is to accept that and learn to live with one another, or move on. At 20, you should be taking responsibility for your own life. If you need the support of other people, then you will probably have to learn to accept the baggage that comes with that. You can't have it all your way. Nobody is responsible for understanding, accepting or supporting your dreams, not even parents.

    Internet Marketing is a valid career to pursue, but you do have to support yourself in the process. It would be nice to be a millionaire over night, and not have the financial worries, but it's probably best to get yourself in full time PAID employment in the mean time.

    Don't be too hard on your mum. She has raised you and probably taken quite a bit of crap from you over the years. Yes, she probably gets frustrated with you because you're not turning out to be the image she had in her mind. It's hard for parents as well you know.

    Take control of your life. Stabilise your accommodation situation, and take responsibility for looking after yourself. If that means working 8 hours a day in paid employment (like most of us on the forum) and doing IM 6 hours every evening, then so be it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mayapearl
    Hi Emily,

    you are still raw from your fight with your mother, the best thing to do is to first of all chill. Anger will not help you and if anything will not let you see things clearly.

    Don't dwell on the hurts you and your mother inflicted on each other, forgiveness will heal you and your mother, she has raised you until now and her throwing you out may be the best thing for you. Many things are said and done when angry and in a stressful situation, I can guarantee that your mother is hurting, probably more than you are and that she still loves her little girl.


    Be one of those people who thrives under pressure and just power along.
    Try to project yourself say five years into the future, does it all still look so bad? I bet that in years to come you will talk about all this with a chuckle and say : "My, I don't know why I took it all so seriously"
    You are an adult, at least legally, your parents don't owe you. Find a job that pays you more money and get out of your financial bind, you will feel great being responsible for yourself and you will be able to grow.
    Make sure you keep your dignity no matter what, making a lot of money or having titles does not do it, having self respect and being respectful of others does.

    I wish I could give you a magic formula, but you know this all life's journey, speed bumps and all.

    All will be well I know

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Don't worry cause every little thing gonna be allright!
      Not if you keep spamming the forum with one liners.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Ya know - people keep insisting "get a job" as if that were a snap in this economy. It might surprise some people that just because it's fast food and running perpetual hiring ads doesn't mean there are jobs available right NOW.

    Waitressing also requires certificates now in some states - those cost money to get.

    What you will have to do if you can't find immediate employment is get down to your state employment office ASAP. They have training programs and many will help you foot the price of the certificates if they are required where you live. They might have some sort of financial aid for you while you get training, too. Be warned that you can't just take the aid and cruise with it - if you don't get the certification or drop out of the program, you will be forced to pay that aid back. But a food handling certificate is easy - mostly common sense and it's only a one day thing so it won't take a lot of time to get set and employed.

    Oh-- and good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Ya know - people keep insisting "get a job" as if that were a snap in this economy. It might surprise some people that just because it's fast food and running perpetual hiring ads doesn't mean there are jobs available right NOW.

      Waitressing also requires certificates now in some states - those cost money to get.

      What you will have to do if you can't find immediate employment is get down to your state employment office ASAP. They have training programs and many will help you foot the price of the certificates if they are required where you live. They might have some sort of financial aid for you while you get training, too. Be warned that you can't just take the aid and cruise with it - if you don't get the certification or drop out of the program, you will be forced to pay that aid back. But a food handling certificate is easy - mostly common sense and it's only a one day thing so it won't take a lot of time to get set and employed.

      Oh-- and good luck.
      But she was NOT screwed! She screwed HERSELF! Frankly, she should have found an option before making it necessary!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
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        Simple fact - she posted a rant here when she was mad and hasn't come back to the thread. I hope things get better for her - it's up to her.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Ya know - people keep insisting "get a job" as if that were a snap in this economy. It might surprise some people that just because it's fast food and running perpetual hiring ads doesn't mean there are jobs available right NOW.

      Waitressing also requires certificates now in some states - those cost money to get.

      What you will have to do if you can't find immediate employment is get down to your state employment office ASAP. They have training programs and many will help you foot the price of the certificates if they are required where you live. They might have some sort of financial aid for you while you get training, too. Be warned that you can't just take the aid and cruise with it - if you don't get the certification or drop out of the program, you will be forced to pay that aid back. But a food handling certificate is easy - mostly common sense and it's only a one day thing so it won't take a lot of time to get set and employed.

      Oh-- and good luck.

      In LV, food handling is something like $40 and is a one day class, which is offered at least a few days a week. However, you need a "hire slip" before you can enroll in the class. Here, getting hired comes BEFORE the class.

      Not to mention, to get almost any job in LV you need a sheriff's card, which is a background check.

      But I assumed she is more familiar with the local regulations in her area than you or I, and I don't see a need to bring up a hypothetical or the regulations where I live. Or, she may already have one.

      And your "logic" makes no sense. Why go to food handling if she can't get a job handling food?

      Also, no one said getting any job right now is a "snap", you inferred that on your own. The fact is, unless she becomes a thief or can move back in with Mom, there really are few other options to a job. The point is, she needs to act NOW. $500 a month isn't going to cut it.

      Wait until she puts in 10 fast food applications without getting hired before telling me it's a bad idea. And fast food was just a single suggestion and wasn't meant to be her only option. She also needs to apply at every retail job she can think of.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    FYI: Internet access is limited, so I haven't had time to respond.

    Now. Before people decide to ram in the whole "kids think they know everything" into the ground, think about this: If I even *thought* I knew everything, would I be asking for help, much less from people who are old enough to be my parents (and probably have kids of their own)? Just take a second to think about that logic.

    BTW, seasoned, I had a plan before I was thrown that curveball. I don't have any control over my mother's actions, so no, I didn't screw myself. I've made mistakes, I'll give you that. But that particular action was not mine.

    Job thingy: Been turning in applications. Chances are I'll get rehired back at Panda Express, where I used to work a year ago and am friends with the manager. On top of that, the fabric store I work in - hours will pick up when it gets closer to Halloween/Christmas when everyone's making costumes and Christmas stockings. Doing some freelance sewing, making a business flyer to post at my job's bulletin board.

    Have a new WSO in mind that I may post in a few days.

    Unfortunately I was too stressed out when I posted this, but I was actually really hoping for suggestions on ways to make money on a limited budget where time's a factor. Blood and bone marrow donations only go so far.

    Less stress now... exercise really does make you feel better.

    Last I saw my mother (we've gone by my house a few times to gather clothes and stuff) she was acting really strangely... kind of guilty, kind of nervous, didn't know what to say to me. I've always wondered if things would get better with her once we were no longer under the same roof... I think they will.

    Now I'm off to finish a couple projects for my freelance sewing clients. Compensation is $250, will be a great jumpstart, then checking the War Room for fresh ideas. I've vented, I've destressed. Back to work...
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    • Profile picture of the author mayapearl
      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      FYI: Internet access is limited, so I haven't had time to respond.

      Now. Before people decide to ram in the whole "kids think they know everything" into the ground, think about this: If I even *thought* I knew everything, would I be asking for help, much less from people who are old enough to be my parents (and probably have kids of their own)? Just take a second to think about that logic.

      BTW, seasoned, I had a plan before I was thrown that curveball. I don't have any control over my mother's actions, so no, I didn't screw myself. I've made mistakes, I'll give you that. But that particular action was not mine.

      Job thingy: Been turning in applications. Chances are I'll get rehired back at Panda Express, where I used to work a year ago and am friends with the manager. On top of that, the fabric store I work in - hours will pick up when it gets closer to Halloween/Christmas when everyone's making costumes and Christmas stockings. Doing some freelance sewing, making a business flyer to post at my job's bulletin board.

      Have a new WSO in mind that I may post in a few days.

      Unfortunately I was too stressed out when I posted this, but I was actually really hoping for suggestions on ways to make money on a limited budget where time's a factor. Blood and bone marrow donations only go so far.

      Less stress now... exercise really does make you feel better.

      Last I saw my mother (we've gone by my house a few times to gather clothes and stuff) she was acting really strangely... kind of guilty, kind of nervous, didn't know what to say to me. I've always wondered if things would get better with her once we were no longer under the same roof... I think they will.

      Now I'm off to finish a couple projects for my freelance sewing clients. Compensation is $250, will be a great jumpstart, then checking the War Room for fresh ideas. I've vented, I've destressed. Back to work...
      Hi Emily,

      my heart really goes out to you, it is not so easy being kicked out from anywhere and having to deal with that rejection.
      I am certain, as I said in my previous post that your Mom feels really bad, once you have yourself set up again you will get on again better than before. I speak of experience here.
      As for making quick money I wish I knew, things are a lot easier here in Australia than in the US, but I think that just biting the bullet for now and doing ANY job that will pay you decent money is the go.

      Take care girl, and stay positive.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    moneysoapbox,

    For some reason, I just don't want to burn my bridges with my father, mother, or even any employers etc.... I can't say I am friends with any of them but, believe it or not, we're not enemies either. That is saying a LOT!

    The food industry DOES havee high turnover, so Kurt certainly has a point. And I can't imagine many places REALLY have ANY certification. I can tell you it must not be hard. I see NO evidence of knowledge about cross contamination, understanding the reasons for gloves, etc... I SWEAR, if you asked people what the gloves were for, they would probably say to keep their hands clean.

    OK, I admit it. I am a bit like felix unger or monk in that regard, and would LOVE to have half of the restaurants shut down for health code violations. And don't get me started about places like PCA. The FDA knew about that in 2006, but had to wait a few years until people actually DIED before they shut the place down.

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    • Profile picture of the author locpic63
      hey Soapbox

      Sorry to hear about the bad news. The thing about free advice is it's free. Sift through the responses and only take the advice that will help you in your current situation. Some of it may be hard to swallow. The main thing is to believe in your self and make it happen. If there is one thing that I have learned in life it is "that worrying about a situation is a total waste of energy." In my humble opinion the best advice that I have seen offered is to not take up the offer of the extended stay hotel. It is far to expensive, and I am certain you can find a better living arrangement.

      And for those of you doling out all the criticsm, remember what a man sows is what a man reaps, or what goes around comes around. I HOPE I NEVER SEE YOU HAVE A NEED ON THIS FORUM.

      Best wishes MoneySoapbox

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