So - How Did That Tony Robbins Event Turn Out

Frank was smart. He gave up teaching his followers the science of 'fire-walking' and went with the art of 'rattlesnake-handling,' instead.

Frank be no dummy!

Cheers. - Frank

I doubt it, for two reasons:

1. He has Insurance that will cover this gross negligence liability.

2. Even if his Insurance Company doesn't cover this gross negligence, Tony is leveraging off of another platform that will cover 70- 90% of his lawyer's fees.

Just my 2 trillion cents worth here!

JMB

Actually , the guy has spent an enormous amount of time , effort, and resources to closely study and interview the most highly successful humans in the history of our Modern Society. And taken this incredible amount of data and applied his own personal insight and experience to form extremely useful personal help tools to get many people on the right track to success

The fact is millions of people have benefited from him highly. Including known celebrities and athletes.

Iam just glad that we do not have to subscribe to your Opinion of who is worthy and who is not in this World we live in

I will take a pass on your purported Expert advice, thank you sir !! :>)

I've been to similar events as a speaker and as an attendee (I know, Robbins is unique...but not really). And these events are transformational. You leave, with the feeling you can do anything. But that feeling isn't permanent, so you want to go again and again.

Ask yourself, what permanent benefit did you get from the experience? What did you learn, that you didn't know before?

Of course, to many, that doesn't matter...it's the experience itself...the emotional high you get. Everyone cheering, crying, it can be intoxicating. Good faith healers and evangelists try to get the same feeling going.

I'm glad you enjoyed the experience. And you are right, you cannot get the same feeling from a book...any book.

I don't see it that way. If you know who Tony Robbins is, and have read his books, watched his videos...and are willing to spend $5,000 to be around him for a few days, what's wrong with that?


His message is uplifting, and some people are willing to pay for that.

There are lots of things that cost $5,000 for a weekend; cruises, vacations, retreats of all kinds (religious, New Age, marketing).

Now, personally, I have no respect for followers of these Gurus. But my personal prejudice doesn't mean I think it should apply to everyone else.

When I went to Dan Kennedy events (to actually study how speakers sold from the front of the room, and to get booked as a speaker), I was astounded at how many were there , not to study marketing, but because they enjoyed the weekend with this group. To them, it was like a cruise, or an expensive road trip.

And, to be fair, 80% or the country already believes things far sillier than anything Robbins could teach.

A side note; These events are the very best place to prospect for business, if you are a guru yourself. Probably 20% of the attendees at the Dan Kennedy marketing events were there for the sole purpose of marketing to everyone else who attended.

It's like a school of fish...where 20% of them are piranha. The piranha are there to eat the other fish.

I know a very wealthy marketer, whose sole method of prospecting for new clients is attending these events, paying full price to be there, and talking to the attendees during breaks.


I want to address that.

These guru origin stories are almost always made up. Robbins worked as a sales rep, selling tickets to events put on by Jim Rohn.

He started selling the same kind of events for himself, and he had several things to his advantage; he's a gifted speaker, he used gimmicks like the fire walks and breaking boards, he just took some basic Neuro Linguistic Programming lessons, renamed them so he wouldn't get sued...and started his own thing.

He actually didn't become wealthy, until the infomercials...and the back end sales to these buyers, was a high end seminar.

He didn't become wealthy, and then start giving seminars. The seminars made him wealthy.

Inside baseball.

Frank Kern (as far as I know) makes most of his money showing people how to sell programs, either by speaking to groups, or with webinars. He uses his programs to sell them, as his product. You re literally paying for his sales sequence...that got you to buy his sales sequence. Nothing wrong with that. It's useful information...it just strikes me as funny.

Ash is only part of it, not "everything". Maybe the most important factor is how long a foot is in contact with the coals, which is why no one takes a slow stroll over the coals, except you.

The bed of nails is all about the pressure caused by the weight and area of the person, factored with the area and the density of the individual nails. Basically it comes down to nails per square foot vs the weight put on the nails. In your case, you need 6-7 more nails per square foot to be able to be supported by the nails than the average person. I'm estimate for a bed of nails to support you, every nail from Home Depot in a 500 mile radius needed to be used.

The trouble with "trickle-down" is that a "trickle" means most of the flow is shut off.

I've always wondered why you were nicknamed "Lumpy."

I think you have been snorting too much Coke.

Yes, I did read your post of my own volition, but whenever I do, I generally feel like a victim of both fraud and intellectual rape.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers. - Frank

I suggest you just sit back and relax while watching a Bernie Mac movie.

Why is it you haven't been banned yet?

I'm not talking about from this forum, I mean the human race.

You certainly deserve to be PUNished.

Keep making fun of me. I may be an idiot. But the one thing I am not...is an idiot.

You mean Benny didn't inspire the TR fire walk?

Definitely, Get Smart.

So you recommend that someone spend his last 5k, on this,....lol, yeah, sounds like a plan!

15 hour day, dancing til 2.30 am, well l am convinced, l can see now how that will make me rich!

I have been to an Amway meeting and know about the high aspect, and also know that like a drug, you need to keep throwing money at it, to feel good.

But l can get a high out of a piece of chocolate cake and seeing a decent movie, for $30, than p*** away a fortune on this,....

And l have watched all of his tv series, read one of his books and watched the occasional video.

And gone to some Brad Sugars seminars as well, similar, but cheaper.

Thanks Claude, sounds like someone who just spend a bundle and is trying to convince himself and the rest of us that we should go.

I went.

People do get burned, mostly people who don't do the exercises. Shows you that you simply cannot be lazy in this world.

I went last year, and I'm going back in a few days actually. Absolutely love this seminar.

It is not about motivation, it is about teaching yourself to take action, constantly. Lots of people in this thread should attend.

Funny fact: People who are against these seminars often have this negative attitude with everything in their life.

Funny fact #2: This thread really shows that success is not for everybody. It's just not for everybody. I don't know if it is IQ or something...But it is the truth...One guy in this thread laughed about Trump, but Trump won the election. Same guy laughed about Tony Robbins, but Tony Robbins is almost a Billionaire and people like me absolutely love his programs, same guy also got banned in the process.

Natural selection at its best.

Maybe you are right Claude, he seems to be saying that spending, (hopefully no more than $600) that a 15 hour day, crying, hugging and yelling and dancing is better than one of his books?

From a motivational stanpoint, it probably is. But l still cannot see how being on a high for a few days, is going to make money for me, not unless l go into public speaking, or sales?

That is where l am coming from, better to spend the money on your business.


Take action, l still don't get it!


(Shaking my head) this forum really has dropped down to Newbsville levels.

I am against blowing $600 to 5k, on a motivational similar, that only puts someone on a high, and does zero in showing techniques or tricks to get ahead.

I did consider going to a Robert Koyosaki seminar, (Rich Dad, Poor Dad) but he charged an excessive amount, and offered little in regards to actually making money from it.

Read most of his books.

If you and others want to spend that sort of money for a high, then go ahead. But l would go to a Roulette table if l wanted to spend 5k, at least l have a 50% chance of doubling it.

I would go easy on the IQ remarks, l will be rich in the next few years online, and l have never been to one TR seminars.

I will become wealthy due to hard work, persistence, being at a low point countless times, and finding opportunities when they appear.

And investing wisely in infrastructure when needed, that helps to create more passive income.

Ok, l have paid $50 for a book. But l consider spending 5k, only l get motivated enough to take action to be insane.

I am sure that l could find a motivational coach on Fiverr for considerably less than that.

As for spending 15k to see him for 15 minutes in Hawaii, and jump out of a plane. That goes into comfy cells, striped sunlight and a box of crayons.

I have seen one of his events on a promo video online. And a lot of people getting on stage and crying their eyes out because he helped this person and that. And Ellen type dancing and rock concert type atmosphere and Anthony saying "Do You rock" or something like that.

True you get out of that with a Superman type persona, but does that immediately translate into big bucks or at least get your 5k back, nope.

Some may need that expensive hype, to get into action, but l cannot justify that expense for little to no direct monontery returns.


10k, to throw TR on the hot coals, hmmmm!

There is some hype there, but no more than an Amway meeting.

In Australia it is about $1000 up to $6000, (travelling overseas would be $2000 minimum.

Unleash the Power Within 2017

Scroll half way down for AU ticket prices.

So in Australia or Sydney with airfares from Vic, l would be paying about $1500 all up, to get a temporary high and get into action.

So you are telling me that l should go and spent $1.5k on that instead of investing it back into my business or invest it in infrastructure, like a Laptop?

Yeah, imaginary world, but the wealth l am making isn't!

Brain is protecting, lol. sounds more like you want to go to these things and convince everyone else that it is wonderful regardless of cost.

Sure l don't mind learning about the successful, (just finished Ken Done's autobiography) but l won't p*** that kind of money away on something like this.

Achieving something, well l am starting a Microbusiness course on Wednesday!

I guess my main reason for posting here is to help or stop other newbies that are on the fence about this. I don't want someone to put their last $600 US or $1k AU into feeling on a high for a few days, and having chipped away at a few barriers, but no real path laid out on how to make money.

As l said before a $30 book will cover that!

I'm not trying to make you go...Do you really think I care if you go to this event or not?

I couldn't care less to be honest.

I don't even care if you succeed or not, I really don't. It's the lack of logic that kills me.