Which do you believe is the most likely to exist?

15 years ago

Number 3. The existence of many other intelligent species in the universe is almost a mathematical certainty. The probability of them ever traveling interstellar distances is much smaller, and depends largely on exceeding the theoretical relatavistic maximum speed.

Too much we don't know to rule it out, but it's not likely we'd meet them any time soon. A species advanced enough intellectually to have attained the technology for interstellar travel in rational time frames would almost certainly avoid contact with less technologically advanced life forms. Especially any life form that gave all appearances of being collectively suicidal.

This assumes a few things, of course. The first being that their intelligences evolved in a way similar to ours, which is by no means certain.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Aliens from another planet

Definitely this one because, as of right now, over 300 extra-solar planets have been detected, and more are being continually discovered. Extrapolations made from the body of knowledge generated by the discovery of these planets gives an average of one Earth-like planet per Sol-like star (which are pretty common)... equating to potentially BILLIONS of Earth-like planets in our galaxy (which, according to estimates, has about 100 billion stars).

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A species advanced enough intellectually to have attained the technology for interstellar travel in rational time frames would almost certainly avoid contact with less technologically advanced life forms.

I wouldn't rule us out of the picture. With the exception of a viable propulsion system, most of the technology to build an interstellar spacecraft already exists, or is likely to exist in the very near future as a result of simple progression of current technologies.

And there are plently of ideas out there for the propulsion bit. Granted, turning those ideas into reality is the tricky part but, as a species, we've gone from horse-and-carriage to landing on the Moon in less than 100 years. I'd be very surprised if we haven't at least attempted to leave the solar system within another 100 years. (Although, technically speaking, the Voyager, Pioneer, and New Horizons probes could all be considered interstellar spacecraft... they just haven't actually left the solar system yet.)

And who knows - maybe if we do actually encounter ET at some point, perhaps he'll be kind enough to leave us a working "warp drive" to tinker with! (Either that, or we shoot the ******* down and take it anyway... oh dear, there's my violent human nature showing through again!

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Michael Ellis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Number 3. The existence of many other intelligent species in the universe is almost a mathematical certainty. The probability of them ever traveling interstellar distances is much smaller, and depends largely on exceeding the theoretical relatavistic maximum speed.

I assume you're talking about exceeding the speed of light, which is the ultimate speed at which something can pass through space-time, or what we know of space-time. However, interstellar travel probably does not depend on this at all... there are a lot of interesting theories on worm holes, folding space, riding a wave of distorted space-time, etc. that seem to offer much better chances (on paper at least) of interstellar travel. We just don't know how to do it.

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Dan C. Rinnert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Ellis

However, interstellar travel probably does not depend on this at all... there are a lot of interesting theories on worm holes, folding space, riding a wave of distorted space-time, etc. that seem to offer much better chances (on paper at least) of interstellar travel. We just don't know how to do it.

I'm not sure of current theories, but I know it's been estimated that there could be as many as 9 to 20 dimensions in total. What may be far away to us in 3-4 dimensional space-time might just be a short hop in the Nth dimension. Maybe that far off planet we want to visit is right next to us.

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Michael Ellis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

I'm not sure of current theories, but I know it's been estimated that there could be as many as 9 to 20 dimensions in total. What may be far away to us in 3-4 dimensional space-time might just be a short hop in the Nth dimension. Maybe that far off planet we want to visit is right next to us.

I like the way you think.

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TimPhelan

15 years ago

The Drake Equation in 1961 was accepted by many scientists in the past. Frank Drake estimated 10,000 communicative civilizations. However, a more recent mathematical model by Professor Andrew Watson suggests that intelligent life on Earth is likely much more unique than previously thought. Watson estimates the chances of intelligent life emerging is as low as "less than 0.01 per cent over four billion years."

I would probably pick bigfoot as being more likely. I don't believe there is a bigfoot, but chances are probably higher than the other two.

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Dan C. Rinnert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

The Drake Equation in 1961 was accepted by many scientists in the past. Frank Drake estimated 10,000 communicative civilizations. However, a more recent mathematical model by Professor Andrew Watson suggests that intelligent life on Earth is likely much more unique than previously thought. Watson estimates the chances of intelligent life emerging is as low as "less than 0.01 per cent over four billion years."

Aren't his estimates based on life as we know it? As others have mentioned, silicon life forms are a possibility, and we really don't know what factors would result in intelligent silicon-based forms of life.

As for carbon-based life, well, living things seem pretty resilient. Obviously, life is, at some level, very particular and fragile but, even so, there seems to be a wide variety of conditions to which it manages to adapt, especially as complexity decreases. Some forms of life manage to survive in conditions thought to be impossible. So, who is to say life couldn't have started in ways we think impossible?

Of course, everything is conjecture until we have the technology to reach some of those distant worlds, or until someone pays us a visit or communicates with us.

When you get right down to it, though, all probabilities are binary. Either a thing will happen or it won't. Either the universe is teeming with life, or it isn't. Either we are alone in the universe or we aren't.

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TimPhelan

15 years ago

He based it on "communicative life" which doesn't even have to be at our level.

Yeh, it's an interesting subject anyways. We really don't know, but it seems what has happened here on earth is pretty damn amazing when you think about it. It took 4 billion years to get to where we are. We only have about a billion more left at the most to leave this planet. Of course, we could be wiped out easily before that, just as the dinosaurs were.

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Aren't his estimates based on life as we know it? As others have mentioned, silicon life forms are a possibility, and we really don't know what factors would result in intelligent silicon-based forms of life.

As for carbon-based life, well, living things seem pretty resilient. Obviously, life is, at some level, very particular and fragile but, even so, there seems to be a wide variety of conditions to which it manages to adapt, especially as complexity decreases. Some forms of life manage to survive in conditions thought to be impossible. So, who is to say life couldn't have started in ways we think impossible?

Of course, everything is conjecture until we have the technology to reach some of those distant worlds, or until someone pays us a visit or communicates with us.

When you get right down to it, though, all probabilities are binary. Either a thing will happen or it won't. Either the universe is teeming with life, or it isn't. Either we are alone in the universe or we aren't.

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myob 13 years ago

Ergo, the probability of a ghost with big feet on another planet is huge.
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  Ergo, the probability of a ghost with big feet on another planet is huge.
  
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

As for carbon-based life, well, living things seem pretty resilient. Obviously, life is, at some level, very particular and fragile but, even so, there seems to be a wide variety of conditions to which it manages to adapt, especially as complexity decreases. Some forms of life manage to survive in conditions thought to be impossible. So, who is to say life couldn't have started in ways we think impossible?

Actually, there IS life here that is totally alien to most other life. Life that lives without oxygen, requires several hosts, lives in extreme temperatures, etc....

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15 years ago

Bigfoot

Whenever I go to my brother-in-laws house there are always huge shoes laying by the front door.

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Kurt

15 years ago

I say Big Foot...Although not the American version, but rather the Yeti.

Here's my reasoning: Of the three options, there's only one that has been proven to ever exist. Gigantopithecus was a giant ape that lived until 50,000 years ago. I read one expert's opinion that it could have been as recent as 10,000 years ago.

Gigantopithecus was 10 feet tall and weighed 1200 pounds, certainly making it large enough to be a "big foot".

I think it is possible (but unlikely) that a few have survived, and since it did exist and there's fossil records to prove it, I believe it is more likely than the other two, which may exist.

Gigantopithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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CDarklock

15 years ago

Ghosts. I've had personal experience with them, so I know they exist. While I have no doubt aliens exist, I also have no proof... so maybe there aren't any. Bigfoot almost certainly doesn't exist. So when choosing between "known fact," "overwhelmingly unlikely," and "highly likely" - I have to say "known fact" wins.

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15 years ago

Definitely aliens from another planet.

Only earth's mankind would be arrogant enough to think that out of the ENTIRE galaxy, intelligent life exists ONLY here.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by barbling

Definitely aliens from another planet.

Only earth's mankind would be arrogant enough to think that out of the ENTIRE galaxy, intelligent life exists ONLY here.

Intelligent life exists on Earth?!??!?

Seriously though, I'd go for the aliens for much the same reason.

Bigfoot/yeti may well have existed once, but natural selection would have eridicated them millenia ago. Unless there is just one who is many thousands of years old. Unlikely. They would have had to interbreed with other hominds in order to survive. As whatever replaced them was "superior" the Bigfoot days were numbered. There is evidence however that some of their genetic traits may have survived. Ever been to a Metallica concert?

And until I see one I'll put ghosts in the same category as elves, goblins and Santa.

Leprechauns are real though. Or so the one sitting on my keyboard is telling me anyway.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Ghosts. I've had personal experience with them, so I know they exist. While I have no doubt aliens exist, I also have no proof... so maybe there aren't any. Bigfoot almost certainly doesn't exist. So when choosing between "known fact," "overwhelmingly unlikely," and "highly likely" - I have to say "known fact" wins.

I believe all 3 exist.

But, since I can only choose 1, I'll say it's neck-n-neck between
Bigfoot and aliens.

With aliens breaking the tape.
My decision is based on personal experience.

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bozz723

15 years ago

Easy question - Aliens. Even though I know for a fact "ghosts" per se exist. Maybe not in a traditional sense, but in an ethereal energy sense.

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15 years ago

Ghost.. because they always exist in your mind

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TLTheLiberator

15 years ago

#3

I'm having a hard time believing that we're the only intelligent life forms in the entire universe.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

My vote would go to Bigfoot.

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15 years ago

I think ghosts are able to exist. Have you watched the news on Fox last time that in Michael Jackson's residence, there's a footage in which to believe that there's a Michael Jackson ghost walking in the aisle.

And also my classmate with a third eye, capturing a ghost in his cellphone which a headless woman sat in a wheelchair alongside with an abusive man, sending message to my classmate.

Oh gosh! Ghost really exists!

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Dan C. Rinnert 15 years ago

That's a tough one but I'd have to go with #3 Aliens because of the mathematical probability. I think it's been only relatively recently that we've had the technology to see Earth-sized planets. So, there's any number of Earth-like planets that are out there that we just haven't been able to see. Of course, that doesn't mean alien life couldn't develop on smaller or larger planets, or even moons of something like a gas giant. So, it just seems mathematically improbable that there aren't other lifeforms in the universe. Whether or not they would have the technology to visit us is another matter entirely. But, since we are talking merely about their existence and not their ability to pay a visit, then I would say, yes, aliens are the most likely of the three to exist.

Bigfoot would be a close second. We keep discovering new species all the time, and I don't think it's out of the question that there couldn't be a small group of primates that live in areas underpopulated by humans and are perhaps smart enough to stay out of sight. Perhaps they've survived because they stay hidden or perhaps they are nocturnal, etc.

Deer live in my area but there was perhaps a twenty year period when I never saw any. It wasn't until a drought a year or two ago that they ventured out of their normal habitats in search of food. So, if you had a small population of bigfoot (bigfeet?) somewhere, I just don't think it's completely impossible that they might not be seen, especially if they try not to be seen.
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15 years ago

aliens

with ghosts being a close second.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Uh...Kurt....could you make this just a tad more difficult to decide?

uh...ghosts? It's possible they are merely residual energy stored and released under the right circumstances - too many explanations.
Aliens? Cripes I believe that is what the heck WE are in the first place.

BIG FOOT? Well ya know - I'm going to pick this, not because I find it most likely, but because of the interesting possibilities.
As you mentioned, Kurt - there were some very large species of Apes until recently. I also know several Archaeologists who know of, and one who has actually found skeletons of 8 and 9 foot tall human remains. For some reason these remains are never heard of again after the Smithsonian gets their mits on them. Go figure.

Now add that to the mountain ranges which have not been explored extensively - and the cold at night in altitudes and it would just make sense that indigenous species might have a evolved a tad extra fur for protection.
One mountain range that little is still known about and remains very ecologically intact to this day is the Cardamom Mts. that run through SW Cambodia and SE Thailand. New species are being discovered there all of the time - could a human like species be residing there, too? I'm sure they'd be smart enough to avoid us if they want to survive. Also there are mountains that run through Russia and China that aren't completely explored and coincidentally China is at no loss for reports from farmers who live near mountain ranges and have claimed to have seen Yeti or Big Foot like creatures in their fields. How many reports does it take before they are considered a valid possibillity? Even a tall race of humanoids wearing fur for protection could be mistaken to actually have grown the fur from a distance.

Considering the way the Smithsonian has spirited off with all evidence and news of ancient oversized skeletons, I would say that any recent ones found are not likely to become public knowledge, so reports that no remains are ever found can't really be taken as fact. Our rulers seem to be very jealous of information regarding anything outside of our normal daily exposure and I would not trust them to come forward to tell the general public that the remains of a 9 foot human covered in fur were just discovered. Actually - that's a good thing as it would be par for the course for people to go in, search them out, and kill them.

Fun topic, Kurt.

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Aliens? Cripes I believe that is what the heck WE are in the first place.

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TeddyP

15 years ago

I can't rule out ANY of them.

I say Aliens are most likely due to the vastness of the universe...but then again they are constantly finding new species here on Earth - so who knows if there is a Big Foot roaming some remote wilderness.

For some reason - I hope so.

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15 years ago

HEY, I used to see ghosts every now and then! We had fine tuning on TVs, and a little out of tune could give you ghosts! HEY, you didn't say what kind!

According to that wikipedia article, there hasn't been much found of Gigantopithecus. They are assuming an AWFUL lot based on just the lower jaw and teeth! Nobody TRULY even knows what a dragon was, or its abilities. Maybe these ARE dragon bones!

As for interstellar travel, I don't see people EVER going the speed of light. Not only do I believe that matter would disintegrate at that speed. Not only is matter more likely to have problems as it approaches that speed. Not only do my theories have to be correct for a particle accelerator to work as it does. But just TRY to determine where every particle is going to be thousands of light minutes in front of you instantaneously. And don't forget, that requires being able to determine its trajectory, speed, and distance to figure out where it is this moment, since you would be using light to observe it! One wrong calculation, and you are TOAST!

As for aliens on other planets? I think it would be the ultimate in hubris to think we are the ONLY ones around.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

As for interstellar travel, I don't see people EVER going the speed of light. Not only do I believe that matter would disintegrate at that speed. Not only is matter more likely to have problems as it approaches that speed.

The problem with mass in relation to the speed of light is the closer you get to that speed, the more massive you become. A body of any mass that travels close to the speed of light would become infinitely massive, and it would take an infinite energy to push an infinite mass beyond that barrier. Not doable. That's why it's called the ultimate speed limit.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Ellis

The problem with mass in relation to the speed of light is the closer you get to that speed, the more massive you become. A body of any mass that travels close to the speed of light would become infinitely massive, and it would take an infinite energy to push an infinite mass beyond that barrier. Not doable. That's why it's called the ultimate speed limit.

YEAH, but MY theory dictates that, eventually, you would become VERY light or, more precisely, a LOT of very light atoms or even SUB nuclear. So it wouldn't matter even if it WERE "doable".

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

As for aliens on other planets? I think it would be the ultimate in hubris to think we are the ONLY ones around.

Steve,

If they are another planet, they aren't aliens.

It's kind of a trick question. I'm pretty sure there's life in other parts of the universe, but is it here? And by "aliens", I'm implying intelligent life.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Steve,

If they are another planet, they aren't aliens.

It's kind of a trick question. I'm pretty sure there's life in other parts of the universe, but is it here? And by "aliens", I'm implying intelligent life.

They CAN'T be another planet! Aliens would be ON the planet! But people assume you are talking about life foreign to us when you just speak of aliens.

As for intelligent? WHO KNOWS? Besides, how do we gauge it since communication and perception may be so different.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

They CAN'T be another planet! Aliens would be ON the planet! But people assume you are talking about life foreign to us when you just speak of aliens.

As for intelligent? WHO KNOWS? Besides, how do we gauge it since communication and perception may be so different.

Steve,

That was obviously a typo. My standard for intelligent life may be for someone to figure that out? j/k

Point is, if they aren't here, they aren't "alien", as alien is a relative term.

And we'll define "intelligent" as being able to make it to Earth on their own free will or ability, and not from some natural coincidence.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Steve,

That was obviously a typo. My standard for intelligent life may be for someone to figure that out? j/k

Point is, if they aren't here, they aren't "alien", as alien is a relative term.

And we'll define "intelligent" as being able to make it to Earth on their own free will or ability, and not from some natural coincidence.

OK, that is probably a good point. I like the way you exclude the zanti misfits. Maybe I shouldn't explain that, as it may get political. 8-) You can look it up on google, if you don't remember.

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teleam

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

OK, that is probably a good point. I like the way you exclude the zanti misfits. Maybe I shouldn't explain that, as it may get political. 8-) You can look it up on google, if you don't remember.

Steve

zanti misfits were criminal aliens from planet Zante. they look like large ants about two feet long. That was a show on the original outer limits.

As for the Question of what I believe it would be intelligent life on other worlds. Surely there are planets out their that closely have the same elements and water as in our earth.
Also our life forms are based on carbon. Who's to say that another life form with intelligence would be based on silicon for example. That would make Our world uninhabitable to them.

I believe the key is intelligence. Even an insect on our world has intelligence.

I don't believe in Ghosts I believe in energy and the after life but not ghosts on our world, one dies a change takes place the universe wastes nothing.
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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by teleam

zanti misfits were criminal aliens from planet Zante. they look like large ants about two feet long. That was a show on the original outer limits.

As for the Question of what I believe it would be intelligent life on other worlds. Surely there are planets out their that closely have the same elements and water as in our earth.
Also our life forms are based on carbon. Who's to say that another life form with intelligence would be based on silicon for example. That would make Our world uninhabitable to them.

I believe the key is intelligence. Even an insect on our world has intelligence.

I don't believe in Ghosts I believe in energy and the after life but not ghosts on our world, one dies a change takes place the universe wastes nothing.
IMHO

Tom

Just to let you know about what I meant, so you realize. My memory is a bit different from the given synopsis. They were to come here as ambassadors of a sort. The humans knew NOTHING about them. They brought havok, the humans killed them, and didn't know what the zantis would do. The zantis said the ambassadors were criminals, and they knew they would be killed here. They didn't believe in killing. I was saying nothing about the intelligence. The political aspect was the question of a death sentence, etc...

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solardave

15 years ago

I believe I've seen the Ghost of an Alien Bigfoot but I've quit drinking since then. Might be the reason I quit.
No really I think aliens are the most probable.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

I chose Bigfoot. It sounds intriguing, and it just may be possible. The thing about Asian mountains was exactly one of the reasons. It's not just new species of insects, reptiles and birds that they discover there, but also mammals.

I am quite sure aliens don't exist, and 100% sure ghosts don't exist. I believe that other people believe it as much as I don't believe it. I think it's just the easiest way for them to explain something they couldn't explain any other way.

But that's just my take on it.

Interesting discussion.

The idea of undiscovered dimensions is interesting. I had heard about theoretical dimensions too. I think time travel would be really interesting, though interstellar would be cool, too.

I think some form of life exist, but I don't think any of it even comes close to human intelligence (is that an oxymoron?).

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

I chose Bigfoot. It sounds intriguing, and it just may be possible. The thing about Asian mountains was exactly one of the reasons. It's not just new species of insects, reptiles and birds that they discover there, but also mammals.

For me, it's the mountains of Asia plus the FACT that "big foot" (Gigantopithecus) teeth and jaws have been discovered in those same areas that tip the scales for me. The fossil record proves there was a "big foot" in the mountains of China and India. While unlikely, it is possible a few have survived.

If someone can show me an alien tooth, I may change my mind.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

For me, it's the mountains of Asia plus the FACT that "big foot" (Gigantopithecus) teeth and jaws have been discovered in those same areas that tip the scales for me. The fossil record proves there was a "big foot" in the mountains of China and India. While unlikely, it is possible a few have survived.

If someone can show me an alien tooth, I may change my mind.

Heck, we can't even find something that we KNOW exists, how much harder is it to find something we are unsure of?

The other theory I like about Bigfoot is that the plethora of wild man stories around the world are a kind of anthropological echo from when Homo sapiens encountered Bigfoot-like creatures.

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Michael Ellis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

I am quite sure aliens don't exist, and 100% sure ghosts don't exist. I believe that other people believe it as much as I don't believe it. I think it's just the easiest way for them to explain something they couldn't explain any other way.

The countless planets circling countless stars in countless galaxies... and we're the only guys in town?

The fact that we're here is pretty much proof that they're there.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Ellis

The countless planets circling countless stars in countless galaxies... and we're the only guys in town?

The fact that we're here is pretty much proof that they're there.

just my 2 cents...

Hi Michael(s),

The keyword is "aliens", which means they had to make it to Earth. I'm pretty sure there's life somewhere out there, but are we being visited, hence "aliens".

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Michael Ellis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Hi Michael(s),

The keyword is "aliens", which means they had to make it to Earth. I'm pretty sure there's life somewhere out there, but are we being visited, hence "aliens".

Ahh, okay, I see now...

Well, call me crazy (I've been called worse

), but I think with intelligence comes curiosity, so yes, I do believe that older civilizations have made their way to us in some form or another.

Now, I'm not saying all those UFO sightings are real. Most probably aren't. However, there are some that cannot be so easily dismissed.

But think about it...

Older civilizations could be so advanced that they don't have to physically come here. Maybe they have a telescope that peers through a wormhole and can read our license plates. Lol. I guess that would qualify as aliens spying on us... even though they're not physically here.

Interesting topic.

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Dan C. Rinnert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Ellis

Older civilizations could be so advanced that they don't have to physically come here. Maybe they have a telescope that peers through a wormhole and can read our license plates. Lol. I guess that would qualify as aliens spying on us... even though they're not physically here.

Maybe they have phase-shifting technology and they're sitting right next to you, right now, but you can't see them (or affect them) because they're out of phase.

You know, when you get into quantum mechanics, the universe gets a bit wacky, so anything could be possible.

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lilhay

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Which of the following do you believe are most likely to exist:

Ghosts
Big Foot
Aliens from another planet

You can only pick one. You don't have to believe it exists, only that it is the most likely...Please explain your answer...

All three exists and I have done research on all these subjects for a few years regarding
eyewitness accounts, underground bases, government cover ups and abduction accounts.

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The Octopus, Black Projects And The Dulce Facility
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Watch the videos

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by lilhay

All three exists and I have done research on all these subjects for a few years regarding
eyewitness accounts, underground bases, government cover ups and abduction accounts.

Not trying to say you're not interested, but I have to ask about your "research".

Using what academic discipline? Credentials? What peer-reviewed publications did you consult?

Eyewitness accounts is close to the worst kind of evidence. Very unreliable. Underground bases and cover ups are the traditional method of "proving" these things, BUT if they are so "underground" and "covered up", how is it that you were able to find out?

Here is the probability of existence for each of the three, IMHO.

Ghosts - 0%
Aliens (of human intelligence or better) - 0.0025% (and that's a very generous number coming from me)
Bigfoot - 0.01%

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ThomM 15 years ago

Tough one Kurt.
There has been a ghost in my house for years, tho much less active after my mother died. Ghost of my fathers first wife who died in this house perhaps?
Now my first wife acted like an alien when we where married and when I saw her 30 years later, looked like bigfoot, well maybe the Penguin from the Batman movies.

So I guess I''l go with ghosts first.
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seasoned

15 years ago

Kurt,

You are thinking incorrectly. Alien doesn't mean foreign to the earth. It means FOREIGN! SO, if people lived on venus, and went to mars, they would be ALIEN! THEY EXIST, without being here! If we went to mars, WE would be aliens.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Kurt,

You are thinking incorrectly. Alien doesn't mean foreign to the earth. It means FOREIGN! SO, if people lived on venus, and went to mars, they would be ALIEN! THEY EXIST, without being here! If we went to mars, WE would be aliens.

Steve

Steve,

You have a very hard time with the concept of "intent/spirit" of other's comments and constantly focus on the "letter".

In addition, I went on to explain what I was talking about, and you agreed then. There are different definitions for the word "alien", and since it's my question, I will choose the context, not you.

Take my word on this...It's more fun to play along than try to outsmart everyone and I suggest you focus on MY intent, as I explained to you above. And please, don't get into a debate about "letter" vs. "spirit/intent".

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Steve,

You have a very hard time with the concept of "intent/spirit" of other's comments and constantly focus on the "letter".

In addition, I went on to explain what I was talking about, and you agreed then. There are different definitions for the word "alien", and since it's my question, I will choose the context, not you.

Take my word on this...It's more fun to play along than try to outsmart everyone and I suggest you focus on MY intent, as I explained to you above. And please, don't get into a debate about "letter" vs. "spirit/intent".

OK, Maybe I should have said J/K. I thought my intent was clear! I am just playing with it. HEY, YOU played a bit ALSO!

BESIDES, your question is a loaded one. I can't really speak to Gigantopithecus, but I think they are assuming too much. As for ghosts, YEAH, I knew what you meant, I was playing THEER also. Who knows WHAT the soul is. Frankly, since physical damage DOES affect it, I think the whole idea is physical, but I could certainly be wrong there. HEY, people have asked that question for millennia! Anyway, the theory is that ghosts are effectively a "physical" manifestation of the soul. As for aliens? If I REALLY knew any, I would probably want to go wherever, since I feel no real tie here. Food and waste may be a problem though. and what of temperature and environment?

Anyway, this is an OTF, so I am simply here to play along or help, IF I can. Of course, THIS thread is all conjecture, so there is nothing to HELP with, I am simply playing along.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Aha, I need to change my numbers, then.

It's a subtle difference, but of the OP is about the existence of intelligent, alien species already visitng Earth, then...

Ghosts - 0%
Aliens (of human intelligence or better) - 0%
Bigfoot - 0.01%

My original number was based on the possibility of aliens (intelligent) anywhere in the universe.

@Michael Ellis - I appreciate your take on it. The fact that I gave it any possibility at all is a big step for me. But your logic doesn't really follow. The existence of one thing doesn't prove the existence of another. If it did, then I'd increase my Bigfoot number even more.

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Kay King 15 years ago

I'm way out there - have to say #1 and #3

Perhaps not "ghosts" as such - but spirits are something I can't eliminate.

As for "aliens" I have a simple theory:

I can't believe that in the entire humongous universe, we are the best (and only) life there is. To other lifeforms, I guess WE would be the aliens.

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15 years ago

I think that aliens that have the intelligence to be able to make a trip as far as they would have to come, would have to be smart enough to monitor us first. And they would quickly learn that we are violent, half retarded, and semi -stupid.

If you were of a completely different species and you saw a place where they killed their own that just colored different or were so stupid that they killed each other because they didnt pray to the same invisibile man in the sky..would you introduce yourself?

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15 years ago

I'm going to vote for Ghosts...

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15 years ago

i think ghosts exist on earth. all other are just fictional stories.

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15 years ago

This issues had been written by many writers with their own perspective. And base on my experience, I believe that ghost exist. Since, I encounter seeing ghost especially when I was a child. And also I believe with alien even though I don't see any evidence within my eye. It just happened that I felt it. One of my unforgettable days is when I was in our province, nearby with the corn field. I'm going to sleep until I heard like a plane sounds going to crushed our house. Realizing where was that sounds came.? It's not only me who heard it even though our neighborhoods does.

In conclusion, there are many unexplainable things happened in this world. And the best thing we need to do is to be aware of it.

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christftw

15 years ago

I'm torn between aliens and big foot.

"Ghosts" depends on how you mean it. I believe energy can be left over of course, and that there are "spirits," but not a separate 'thing' called "ghosts."

As others have pointed out the mathematical probability there are "aliens" is high (at least, in my opinion, and mind you, "high" is comparative to the thought it's absolutely impossible), but -- if I'm understanding Kurt correctly -- I don't believe any have made it here.

I do appreciate Dan C. Rinnert's posts though. I'm just figuring... considering the question was likelihood... the aforementioned 'evidence' that big foots could exist today holds more weight. At least with me.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Is anyone here familiar with the fact that many scientists now think that water is not indigenous to Earth but was, instead, "imported" via ice comets, etc. When you put that together with the growing belief that the juxtaposed string of stars in our area of our arm of the Milky Way are thought to be residual debris pulled from another galaxy which "collided" (quotes on the word, just for you, Tim

) with ours. So there are other planets to which water is actually indigenous and it seems life of the same type as ours would be more likely to form elsewhere than here.

Also - what if that water wasn't just brought here via a comet belt? What if it was brought here by aliens who needed (or just wanted) to cultivate a new planet? This is a good one -we've got gold. (LOL - incidentally we have ancient religious documents that say that life was created here specifically for the purpose of MINING gold. Maybe that's where all of the stuff we had in Ft Knox went, Alien Tax).

Oh and while we're at it -- what if the Aliens do come and monitor activity here sometimes......they wouldn't want to be seen and would leave few, if any, bones and artifacts........and they MAY LOOK JUST LIKE BIG FOOT.

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Dan C. Rinnert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Also - what if that water wasn't just brought here via a comet belt? What if it was brought here by aliens who needed (or just wanted) to cultivate a new planet? This is a good one -we've got gold. (LOL - incidentally we have ancient religious documents that say that life was created here specifically for the purpose of MINING gold. Maybe that's where all of the stuff we had in Ft Knox went, Alien Tax).

No. Life was brought here for the purpose of mining naquadah and when that ran out, the aliens never came back.

Oh and while we're at it -- what if the Aliens do come and monitor activity here sometimes......they wouldn't want to be seen and would leave few, if any, bones and artifacts........and they MAY LOOK JUST LIKE BIG FOOT.

If you want to go far out, it could also be that bigfoot represents the natural high point in primate evolution on this planet and homo sapiens only exists because aliens tampered with life on this planet long ago.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

No. Life was brought here for the purpose of mining naquadah and when that ran out, the aliens never came back.

If you want to go far out, it could also be that bigfoot represents the natural high point in primate evolution on this planet and homo sapiens only exists because aliens tampered with life on this planet long ago.

You NEVER know, look at SG1!

Goa'uld ... Egyptian gods(mostly)
Asgard ... Norse gods, ETs
Ancients... Christian God/angels
Ori ... Devil/demons
Nox ... Fairies, etc... ?

BTW does anyone else find the similar aliens on first wave, called the Gua an interresting coincidence?

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Dan C. Rinnert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Goa'uld ... Egyptian gods(mostly)
Asgard ... Norse gods, ETs
Ancients... Christian God/angels
Ori ... Devil/demons
Nox ... Fairies, etc... ?

You left out:

Furlings ... Ewoks

And of course the Mayan gods were the giant aliens.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

You left out:

Furlings ... Ewoks

And of course the Mayan gods were the giant aliens.

I didn't know that the furlings had ever been really identified, and I don't know about the giant aliens myth. 8-(

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Dan C. Rinnert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I didn't know that the furlings had ever been really identified, and I don't know about the giant aliens myth. 8-(

The giant aliens were only in one episode. They were enemies of the Goa'uld, but they never did another episode with them. One wonders if they might have been useful allies against the Ori.

The furlings were never really identified. They were in the opening scene of the episode "200" with the SG-1 team greeting them, "We thought we'd never get a chance to meet you." The furlings were depicted as something very similar to Ewoks. But, that was a fictional scene within the series, probably based on Jack's imagination. You know, furlings equals furry...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

The giant aliens were only in one episode. They were enemies of the Goa'uld, but they never did another episode with them. One wonders if they might have been useful allies against the Ori.

The furlings were never really identified. They were in the opening scene of the episode "200" with the SG-1 team greeting them, "We thought we'd never get a chance to meet you." The furlings were depicted as something very similar to Ewoks. But, that was a fictional scene within the series, probably based on Jack's imagination. You know, furlings equals furry...

Oh, I KNEW about the giant aliens in the GIANT pyramid and how daniel kept talking to his father thinking he couldn't really be heard and was surprised when he found out he could because his father was ALSO transported by a crystal skull, and his father stayed behind as a friend to the giant. But I don't know of any similar myth here.

And the only way we "found" they were an enemy of the guauld is that tealc never saw him and he never spoke english, or said anything other than "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" until they said they are enemies of the guald also.

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15 years ago

Heysal,

If you find them, let them know that Michael Rodrigues is CHEATING!

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15 years ago

I believe that there is most likely chances of the existence of the ghost, i personally have no experience but heard a lot from others about there experiences.

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15 years ago

OK. Do the aliens believe in ghosts? And, do they have their own version of Bigfoot?

And, if we were in a starship traveling at the speed of light, wouldn't be much a fly in moving vehicle?

And... When we look at a planet lightyears away we are actually seeing it in the past.
So, say we could catch a reflection of the earth in one of these planets. And for the sake of argument, we could enlarge that reflection enough to see details. Then, theoretically we could watch, say, the American Civil War as it unfolded. Or, taken to extremes, watch the creation of the Earth.

And, in infinity numerical values are meaningless. So, literally, anything is possible since the concept of "odds" are meaningless.

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Originally Posted by lcombs

And... When we look at a planet lightyears away we are actually seeing it in the past.

This is one of the things at which I marvel (and have taught my kids to marvel) - you might be looking at starlight that took a million years to reach us. During those past million years, that star could have blown up but we wouldn't know it NOW (as that light was originated said million years ago).

Looking into the night sky is like being in a time travel machine.

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  I always loved that fact, too. I remember looking at planets through a telescope with my grandson when he was about 5 and sharing that with him -he was fascinated, too.
  
  And, in infinity numerical values are meaningless. So, literally, anything is possible since the concept of "odds" are meaningless.
  
  There's something about having facts we can't "know" that appeals to me. Life should always have mysteries. Stating a percentage possibility of other life in the universe is on par with those who placed bets that the world was flat. The world didn't change - we just didn't know the facts.
  
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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

OK. Do the aliens believe in ghosts? And, do they have their own version of Bigfoot?

And, if we were in a starship traveling at the speed of light, wouldn't be much a fly in moving vehicle?

And... When we look at a planet lightyears away we are actually seeing it in the past.
So, say we could catch a reflection of the earth in one of these planets. And for the sake of argument, we could enlarge that reflection enough to see details. Then, theoretically we could watch, say, the American Civil War as it unfolded. Or, taken to extremes, watch the creation of the Earth.

And, in infinity numerical values are meaningless. So, literally, anything is possible since the concept of "odds" are meaningless.

But we are not discussing infinity nor numerical values. This is a hypothetical question asking you to post what you feel the best "odds" are of the three choices. No need to over-think to the point you can't even give a simple answer just to show you are smarter than the question.

To be honest, an answer of "any thing is possible" should apply to any theoretical discussion. Wouldn't that make for a boring life?

PS...Since I live in Las Vegas, the concept of "odds" is very meaningful

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Dan C. Rinnert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Oh, I KNEW about the giant aliens in the GIANT pyramid and how daniel kept talking to his father thinking he couldn't really be heard and was surprised when he found out he could because his father was ALSO transported by a crystal skull, and his father stayed behind as a friend to the giant. But I don't know of any similar myth here.

Actually, that was Daniel's grandfather. I'll give you that there's probably not a similar myth here. But, you did overlook the Spirits, which were loosely based on Native American mythology.

And the only way we "found" they were an enemy of the guauld is that tealc never saw him and he never spoke english, or said anything other than "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" until they said they are enemies of the guald also.

Still counts.

Originally Posted by HeySal

Wow guys. Turn off the TV for awhile, eh? Real life has some real neat mysteries of its own.

Are we being chastised for going off-topic in a thread in the off-topic forum?

Originally Posted by barbling

This is one of the things at which I marvel (and have taught my kids to marvel) - you might be looking at starlight that took a million years to reach us. During those past million years, that star could have blown up but we wouldn't know it NOW (as that light was originated said million years ago).

Looking into the night sky is like being in a time travel machine.

What happens when light crosses paths with tachyons? You never know--we could be looking at stars and planets from the future.

Originally Posted by Kurt

"What happens if you're in a spaceship traveling at the speed of light and you turn your headlights on?" - Steven Wright

You find your inner light.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

"What happens if you're in a spaceship traveling at the speed of light and you turn your headlights on?" - Steven Wright

Nothing out of the ordinary.

Ok, we all know that this question is invalid. So let�s stop harping on that point.

Let�s pretend for a second that it IS possible to reach the speed of light and stay there. And let's ignore the actual science of light spectrums and shifting paterns for the sake of a simple answer.

We�ll use this example; (And let�s keep the ratings fair given that we ARE talking about the impossible.)

You are on a train. That train is traveling at the speed of light. You are facing a wall on the train. You turn on a flashlight; Low and Behold! There is the beam of light on the wall! Why? Because the train is traveling at the speed of light WITH you, as is the flashlight.

Take the same example, and shine the light facing the wall towards the �engine� of the train (That is to say, the �front� of the train) and low and behold, the beam of light is on the wall at the front of the train! Why? Because the train is traveling WITH you, as is the flashlight.

Now, let�s turn on the headlights of this train. What do you know? The headlights are projecting light ahead! Why? Because the headlights are moving with the train!

This can easily be proven in a much more minor scale of speed and using mass. Next time you are in the car flying down the highway, flip a coin. The coin does not go shooting out the back window; it goes up and then comes down. Why? Because the coin is traveling WITH you in the car.

The point is that this is all (I hate to use the term!) RELATIVE to each other! The speed of light while being a constant is also a very abstract idea.

If you really want a question that will draw debate, ask if a person outside of your sphere of speed would see the headlights as you approached them!

OH! And in answer to Scrooge's Question; The people in Star Trek NEVER went at the speed of light. They "warped" space to bring the speed of light to an attainable constant.

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Originally Posted by Kurt

"What happens if you're in a spaceship traveling at the speed of light and you turn your headlights on?" - Steven Wright

Why does your spaceship have headlights?
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15 years ago

Wow guys. Turn off the TV for awhile, eh? Real life has some real neat mysteries of its own.

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Kurt 15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Wow guys. Turn off the TV for awhile, eh? Real life has some real neat mysteries of its own.

Best post on the thread...At least change the channel to Animal Planet or The Discovery Channel.
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seasoned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Wow guys. Turn off the TV for awhile, eh? Real life has some real neat mysteries of its own.

HEY, they laughed at daniel! WHO KNOWS whether or not this is real? J/K, sort of
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15 years ago

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HeySal

15 years ago

Are we being chastised for going off-topic in a thread in the off-topic forum?

Gee, Dan, nobody is going to "chastise" you for dragging fictional characters and events from a TV show into an actively philosophical discussion about a few of the many profound, baffling, and ongoing questions about life forms and existence. We understand how REAL those characters are to those who live on cushy couches - and after all the surgical extrication of a remote from the palm of the hand is a tricky and expensive procedure that can lead to hormone imbalances and extremely altered perceptions.

Sorry to wake you.. Go back to sleep now. All is good.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Gee, Dan, nobody is going to "chastise" you for dragging fictional characters and events from a TV show into an actively philosophical discussion about a few of the many profound, baffling, and ongoing questions about life forms and existence. We understand how REAL those characters are to those who live on cushy couches - and after all the surgical extrication of a remote from the palm of the hand is a tricky and expensive procedure that can lead to hormone imbalances and extremely altered perceptions.

Sorry to wake you.. Go back to sleep now. All is good.

I guess I need to find a way to make my smilies larger next time. At any rate, in a philosophical discussion of the mysteries of the universe, pantheistic solipsism perhaps ought not to be entirely discounted.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Gee, Dan, nobody is going to "chastise" you for dragging fictional characters and events from a TV show into an actively philosophical discussion about a few of the many profound, baffling, and ongoing questions about life forms and existence. We understand how REAL those characters are to those who live on cushy couches - and after all the surgical extrication of a remote from the palm of the hand is a tricky and expensive procedure that can lead to hormone imbalances and extremely altered perceptions.

Sorry to wake you.. Go back to sleep now. All is good.

Like I said before, I WAS getting to like you. It happens to be a TV show that presents an idea ABOUT "philosophical discussion". Maybe you should watch it sometime. Of course, you DO have to think about it a LITTLE. There were a lot of tales in Australia, China, etc... about WEIRD creatures that were considered MYTH. NOW they are FACT. So who is to say? And the idea of a wormhole may be the only long distance transport ever available. Even my little theory is taken into account by their talk of deconstructing and reconstructing. Of course, you TILL have to take into account things like Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle. Startrek TRIED to answer that by including a "Heisenberg compensator" on their transporters!

So sorry if all the films I watched, and tv programs I have seen are cross referenced in this way. You may see me do this a lot.

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Dan C. Rinnert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Of course, you TILL have to take into account things like Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle. Startrek TRIED to answer that by including a "Heisenberg compensator" on their transporters!

I also like how Stargate: SG-1 incorporated crustal displacement theory and placed Atlantis in Antarctica, which is the most logical place for it to have been, since Antarctica pretty much meets Plato's description. And, don't forget that ZPM's are based on scientific theory as well.

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netalab

15 years ago

Tough Question... hahaha?

hmmmm... I think ghost?

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kathycurtis

13 years ago

We live in a big universe and I believe other forms of life do exists. This goes to aliens, ghosts and many more which will be discovered soon.

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Roaddog

13 years ago

DDdamn Kurt...2009....you look so young.

All three exist...or should, in you..

...plus Santa

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Aliens, for pretty much the same reason that several others have given -- there's just too much "out there" for there not to be something out there.

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SharkNight

13 years ago

I do believe in the aliens from the other planet.

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JSanti7

13 years ago

Aliens. With the vastness of the universe and the limitless number of planets, I believe it's more than likely that life would exist in at least 1 other planet out there.

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scsheldon33

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Which of the following do you believe are most likely to exist:

Ghosts
Big Foot
Aliens from another planet

You can only pick one. You don't have to believe it exists, only that it is the most likely...Please explain your answer...

Ghosts cuz I heard more stories about them than the others.

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Sunfyre7896

13 years ago

I'm going to go with Aliens. You didn't specify whether they have visited earth or not. I definitely believe without a doubt that there are aliens out there as or more intelligent than humans. Even species that can travel throughout space.

The universe is very, very old and very, very large and expansive. I saw a show on the Science Channel where they were talking to scientists and statisticians about this. What they were looking for wasn't whether they had come there, but only if they existed in space somewhere. They started with the number of known galaxies, then went on to solar systems like ours, then to planets that could sustain life as we know it, and how long they've been around and other such information. They started with huge numbers and went down. They wanted to find how many planets could sustain life at our intellect and technological level of present day. There was something like 30,000+ planets. To me, at least one of those has some species cruising around in the universe. That's not even talking about species that can withstand more sever temperatures either way or species that are mostly energy or whatnot. So again I believe they exist. The question is whether they've ever been to earth in our entire history.

As to ghosts, I don't think that God would let spirits just linger around. That's as far as I'm going to go into the religious topic. The Yeti may exist, but I'm not sure. Maybe. Heck, they found the 27 foot squid and now a 21 foot croc that's on another thread here. It's possible I guess.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896

I'm going to go with Aliens. You didn't specify whether they have visited earth or not. I definitely believe without a doubt that there are aliens out there as or more intelligent than humans. Even species that can travel throughout space.

The universe is very, very old and very, very large and expansive. I saw a show on the Science Channel where they were talking to scientists and statisticians about this. What they were looking for wasn't whether they had come there, but only if they existed in space somewhere. They started with the number of known galaxies, then went on to solar systems like ours, then to planets that could sustain life as we know it, and how long they've been around and other such information. They started with huge numbers and went down. They wanted to find how many planets could sustain life at our intellect and technological level of present day. There was something like 30,000+ planets. To me, at least one of those has some species cruising around in the universe. That's not even talking about species that can withstand more sever temperatures either way or species that are mostly energy or whatnot. So again I believe they exist. The question is whether they've ever been to earth in our entire history.

As to ghosts, I don't think that God would let spirits just linger around. That's as far as I'm going to go into the religious topic. The Yeti may exist, but I'm not sure. Maybe. Heck, they found the 27 foot squid and now a 21 foot croc that's on another thread here. It's possible I guess.

Actually in my OP I did imply that they visited Earth by sayng "aliens" and "from other planets". A martian on Mars wouldn't be an alien until he/she/it visited Earth. And I didn't say "life on other planets"...But rather "from other planets".

I know I wasn't clear in the OP, but did clarify in a later post...

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Aussie_Al

13 years ago

True story:

Back in the late 80s I was living with my then g/f in a house in Perth, Western Australia and we had a vacant lot next door - with big windows in the living room facing out to the lot.

One night I had a dream (yes def a dream I was not awake) that there were 3 small ufos hovering above the lot, spinning and flashing with various lights.

The next thing you know I was on a UFO with 2 alien beings going very fast across the Nullabor Plain (Australian desert) ....

So I wake up the next day and I got to my girlfriend - wow I had this ****ed up dream last night and she goes ell before you tell me what happened - let me tell you about my dream ...there were these 3 ufos hovering over the vacant lot, spinning and shining their lights in....

So then I tell her about my dream and we are both like "wow wtf" so we start to get breakfast ready and we turn on the tv for the morning news.

They go "breaking news last night an Australian family were driving across the Nullabor plain when a ufo tried to pick up their car. There was a whole interstate bus full of witnesses and even the driver said up and until last night if you told be about UFO i would think you are a fool but I have now seen it with my own eyes"

So weird set of coincidences or something more. Until I see one wide awake I will keep an open mind.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Aussie_Al

True story:

Back in the late 80s I was living with my then g/f in a house in Perth, Western Australia and we had a vacant lot next door - with big windows in the living room facing out to the lot.

One night I had a dream (yes def a dream I was not awake) that there were 3 small ufos hovering above the lot, spinning and flashing with various lights.

The next thing you know I was on a UFO with 2 alien beings going very fast across the Nullabor Plain (Australian desert) ....

So I wake up the next day and I got to my girlfriend - wow I had this ****ed up dream last night and she goes ell before you tell me what happened - let me tell you about my dream ...there were these 3 ufos hovering over the vacant lot, spinning and shining their lights in....

So then I tell her about my dream and we are both like "wow wtf" so we start to get breakfast ready and we turn on the tv for the morning news.

They go "breaking news last night an Australian family were driving across the Nullabor plain when a ufo tried to pick up their car. There was a whole interstate bus full of witnesses and even the driver said up and until last night if you told be about UFO i would think you are a fool but I have now seen it with my own eyes"

So weird set of coincidences or something more. Until I see one wide awake I will keep an open mind.

There's a joke or two about "probing" that I'll leave up to everyone's imagination...

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nowwke

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Which of the following do you believe are most likely to exist:

Ghosts
Big Foot
Aliens from another planet

You can only pick one. You don't have to believe it exists, only that it is the most likely...Please explain your answer...

nice question...!

I think its depend upon every person.
Some people believe in ghosts and Spirit but some people not...
But I believe in everything which create god..

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dagaul101

13 years ago

I would have to say Big Foot, it would make sense if there was some Sapien we haven't discovered yet

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13 years ago

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Sumit Menon

13 years ago

#3. And some of them hang out in this forum. :p

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JoeUK

13 years ago

Aliens for sure. A good book I recommend to anyone with an interest is 'slave species of god' which goes past the 'do aliens exist' question and does an amazing job of explaining how advanced ET's actually created us as a slave race to mine gold which was required to 'fix' the atmospheric problems they were having on their home planet. There's some very interesting topics in there backed up with some surprisingly solid science!

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valerieSONORA

13 years ago

Ohhh I'll chose aliens!!! I wanna choose ghosts too but I'll stick with aliens!!! Ever watched Ancient Aliens on history channel? lol. Ohhh and there's a scary abduction story of Betty and Barney Hill from Unsolved Mysteries.

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

BIG Foot is real, I have proof!

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highhopes 13 years ago

"Equipped with his seven senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure science." ---Edwin P. Hubble

Our senses impose severe limits on us. We live in 4 dimensions (if time is counted) and can't visualize more or fewer.
The fact that we live in a world that has days and nights limits our ideas about time.
Our bodies impose physical limits on us - too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry and we die. We sleep wasting a lot of life.
Even in our imagination we are limited. Can you imagine what you can't imagine?
Out there things exist beyond our comprehension.......why would Aliens need to travel accross space, when they have the capabilities to jump time and space at a switch?

So 1,2 and 3 exist and more! But in a different reality to our limited human perceptions I think.
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jonnyhardbaked 13 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

BIG Foot is real, I have proof!

Hey Yukon! That's a hell of a proof! LOL!!!
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mojojuju

13 years ago

Aliens. Not necessarily green humanoid aliens, but life, in places other than our planet. There's just so many planets and solar systems out there, it seems that life would have come about someplace other than earth.

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Thomas Wilkinson

13 years ago

Why do we always assume that if there are aliens out there that they are automatically smarter than we are. Maybe there are planets with really dumb
cave man aliens or maybe the aliens are dinosaurs. Think about all this planet
has gone through. Any life form out there is alien but not necessarily people or anything like people.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson

Why do we always assume that if there are aliens out there that they are automatically smarter than we are. Maybe there are planets with really dumb
cave man aliens or maybe the aliens are dinosaurs. Think about all this planet
has gone through. Any life form out there is alien but not necessarily people or anything like people.

Thomas

No, life isn't alien on it's home planet (moon, comet, asteroid, etc). To be alien, it has to move someone else...Just like Mexicans in Mexico aren't aliens to the US. and royal pythons released in the Everglades are invasive alien animals. But royal pythons found in Africa are NOT alien.

You are confusing all life elsewhere with "alien".

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Thomas Wilkinson

13 years ago

You're right. I should have said alien to us. My friend Skyped me awhile ago and said much the same thing.

(What a world we live in. I was on the freeway with my hands free talking to someone waiting to board a ferry in France. It was like we were next door or something.)

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13 years ago

I'll have to go w/ bigfoot...

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jonnyhardbaked

13 years ago

In connection to ghosts, here in the Philippines, we have here the what we called ASWANG! Gwuaaaahh!

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EricDelano

13 years ago

If I had to go by what I think I may have encountered, I would say ghosts. I was in a situation once that made me think twice about the supernatural. I was in an indian burial ground in Hawaii and we heard a person's footsteps running up to us in the dark. We were so scared but we never saw anyone or any animal. It ran up to a foot away from me before complete silence.....