# How does the universe start a steady motion?

by awledd
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I was thinking about this thing and several thoughts came to my mind. If it started from the energy of the big bang, it must have stopped by now in my opinion.

This is also some puzzle I can't get the answer to. I set up my own satellite receiver and I am surprised by the need for the precision of the dish antenna. It moves a little and you can't receive signal. since my dish antenna is mobile, the times I fix its position are many b/c the wind moves it a bit.

Now How in the whole world did the satellite maintain its position? because if it moves just an inch, we can't receive signal. How did the scientists do it? because you know to fix it at some position, you are exerting force on the satellite and it may start moving from that force. (Even if there is no wind there) I couldn't get the answer for this.

This brings me to a conclusion that if something is fixed in the universe, it rests right there unless some force affects it. On the reverse, once an object starts spinning in the universe, it will continue spinning forever. Not sure if that is true.
• I think als it is from the energy of the big bang,but the size of the big band still moves it,it hasn't stopped I think.
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 Originally Posted by awledd I was thinking about this thing and several thoughts came to my mind. If it started from the energy of the big bang, it must have stopped by now in my opinion. This is also some puzzle I can't get the answer to. I set up my own satellite receiver and I am surprised by the need for the precision of the dish antenna. It moves a little and you can't receive signal. since my dish antenna is mobile, the times I fix its position are many b/c the wind moves it a bit. Now How in the whole world did the satellite maintain its position? because if it moves just an inch, we can't receive signal. How did the scientists do it? because you know to fix it at some position, you are exerting force on the satellite and it may start moving from that force. (Even if there is no wind there) I couldn't get the answer for this. This brings me to a conclusion that if something is fixed in the universe, it rests right there unless some force affects it. On the reverse, once an object starts spinning in the universe, it will continue spinning forever. Not sure if that is true.

Geosynchronous orbit
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• well, how does a satellite maintain its position? how does a missile lock on a target?

I wouldnt know, but it sounds a bit similar. target position stabilizer would be the job description.

"Big Bang" yeah right, its a theory, because we have no files of what really happened.
Of course we hear guys on BBC science talk about what happened 300 million years ago,
but i always get slightly irritated by the thought that their archives lasted for that long, there
must be some kind of data storage errors by now? They would'nt simply lie to us, would they?
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 Originally Posted by awledd Now How in the whole world did the satellite maintain its position? because if it moves just an inch, we can't receive signal. How did the scientists do it? because you know to fix it at some position, you are exerting force on the satellite and it may start moving from that force. (Even if there is no wind there) I couldn't get the answer for this.
 Originally Posted by George Schwab well, how does a satellite maintain its position? how does a missile lock on a target? I wouldnt know, but it sounds a bit similar. target position stabilizer would be the job description.
Most mobile sat TV systems use a combination of compasses and gyroscopes to determine if the dish needs repositioned as the vehicle moves to keep the dish pointed at the proper satellite transponders on the proper bird that is flying in geosynchronous orbit. Neither Harpoons, SAMS, and other typical missile systems, or the usual targets they acquire are flying in geosynchronous orbits.

The modern weapon systems that track are quite different and they are usually laser, radar, or satellite guided, or they use a homing or tracking device ( ie: heetseeking etc.) to acquire their targets.

What Is a Geosynchronous Orbit?

How to get a satellite to geostationary orbit

List of satellites in geosynchronous orbit

HOW SATELLITES STAY IN ORBIT

 This brings me to a conclusion that if something is fixed in the universe, it rests right there unless some force affects it. On the reverse, once an object starts spinning in the universe, it will continue spinning forever. Not sure if that is true.
Newton...

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•  Originally Posted by awledd I was thinking about this thing and several thoughts came to my mind. If it started from the energy of the big bang, it must have stopped by now in my opinion.
Nothing is fixed in the universe. The universe is expanding.
And the energy from the Big Bang is stronger than the gravitational attraction. So the universe keeps expanding.

I'm not looking for a debate here. This is high school physics.

 Originally Posted by awledd This brings me to a conclusion that if something is fixed in the universe, it rests right there unless some force affects it. On the reverse, once an object starts spinning in the universe, it will continue spinning forever. Not sure if that is true.
Nothing is fixed in the universe. In fact everything is moving relative to everything else.
Because space is determined by mass and gravity....there is no center of the universe.

Once something starts spinning, it continues to spin, forever, unless acted upon by an outside force. This force can be almost anything, gravity, radiation, impacts..but there is no friction in empty space...of course, there is very little absolutely empty space.

For example, our Sun is moving through our galaxy at about half a million miles an hour. The galaxy we are in, is itself moving at about half that speed. But are we really moving at that speed through space? No idea, because we can only measure our speed, relative to other galaxies.

The space we occupy this second? We will never occupy that exact space again. Ever.

And the faster you move, the more time dilates. So time is traveling at different speeds, depending on which galaxy you are in....and how close you are to a massive black hole.

Science.
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 Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre Nothing is fixed in the universe. The universe is expanding. And the energy from the Big Bang is stronger than the gravitational attraction. So the universe keeps expanding.
There are only two known constants in physics.

1. The universe is constantly expanding.

2. Your waistline is constantly expanding

 I'm not looking for a debate here
I doubt you'll get one.

Frank
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•  Originally Posted by BigFrank I doubt you'll get one. Frank
Sure I will. Remember, NASA is lying to us. And so is our high school science teacher..and every astronomer.
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 Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre Sure I will. Remember, NASA is lying to us. And so is our high school science teacher..and every astronomer.
And don't forget the lyin' Kenyan - Obama!

Frank
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• I could be wrong though.

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• Thx guys. At least you gave me some insight. But I want to read more and learn more.

Though this is surprising to me - most people! Most people on planet earth have no clue about the universe. I do not mean they don't know. They just don't give a sh**t about whatever is goin on out there. The enormousness and complexity of the universe never crossed their mind. Who cares.
Well but those people seem to enjoy life more than the others who think and think and then analyze etc...
"with much wisdom comes much sorrow" Ecclesiastes 1:18
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• I've seen about 5 movies the last month that had to do with space, going to Mars, other planets etc.

Always fascinating, actually our minds are too small to fully grasp what's out there.
Thats the reason this never gets boring, I'm a sucker for space exploration....

....then again, when I read those other stories that say that physically we are not able
to actually pass a certain altitude...and all Apollo claims are fake and Stanley Kubrick
productions I get slightly....annoyed...worried....delighted...stunn ed...[well all of that]

NASA did lie to us? Yes, many times, about the state of the sun, the coming sun eruptions will be
much bigger than in the past because of new gravity forces in our system, the new planet in our system: you only get controlled misinformation. Even we the leak a story, its
only 10% truth and 90% BS. just to create the illusion of "ha i told you one day they will admit it". No they didnt. Just another wrong track leading us nowhere.

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P.S. There is this really great movie about the Apollo-Kubrick connection: "Moonwalkers"
Rolling Stone wrote: "Superb! The Most Funny Movie Ever"

well funny yeah, but also very psychedelic, great movie!
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•  Originally Posted by George Schwab I've seen about 5 movies the last month that had to do with space, going to Mars, other planets etc. Always fascinating,
The most fascinating thing is thats actually believable.
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• George Schwab what about the things we hear about Area 51 ? is it just a rumor or there is some reality in it?
I watched several Youtube videos. I even saved some on my PC.
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• Well i haven't been personally to A51, but i can give you a tendency in media reporting and the "big bag of hints" of how they talk to us by including facts + fiction into new Hollywood productions.

in my estimation they clearly are working hard to make us understand that aliens are among us. However their main trick is to conceal who they are exactly. That part is all BS.

Yes they are here, and yes they dont come from different planets. They are also not from planet earth. They are spirit entities that can control a human body. In the west this is part of mysticism, here in the east most people know about it, shape-shifters are common knowledge here, so many stories it makes your head spin.

Me & my wife got followed one time by such a spirit from a different island, over to ours. A guy on the ferry could see him, he said we have to talk to a 'spiritual guru' as soon as possible. These guys are real, he made about 6-7 light bulbs explode in our bungalow. We chased him away with prayer.
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•  Originally Posted by George Schwab Well i haven't been personally to A51, but i can give you a tendency in media reporting and the "big bag of hints" of how they talk to us by including facts + fiction into new Hollywood productions. in my estimation they clearly are working hard to make us understand that aliens are among us. However their main trick is to conceal who they are exactly. That part is all BS. Yes they are here, and yes they dont come from different planets. They are also not from planet earth. They are spirit entities that can control a human body. In the west this is part of mysticism, here in the east most people know about it, shape-shifters are common knowledge here, so many stories it makes your head spin. Me & my wife got followed one time by such a spirit from a different island, over to ours. A guy on the ferry could see him, he said we have to talk to a 'spiritual guru' as soon as possible. These guys are real, he made about 6-7 light bulbs explode in our bungalow. We chased him away with prayer.
Are you serious? I mean, is this something you really believe?
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•  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre Are you serious? I mean, is this something you really believe?
you have to be more specific, which part?

besides i only believe what i know for sure, i'm experience orientated,
and not an intellectual that thinks talking is the same as living it.

that's why a forum is basically one of the worst places to meet,
i prefer one on one contact, sitting on the beach together and
agreeing on: "Aaaahhh! Just another day in paradise"

realize that offliners have something that the onliners never will get:
True human experience that beats any theory, latest trick to success
books, and all the other crap they sell in courses. All BS. compared
to the life changing experience to go door to door and giving all you've got.

I did the same a while ago, i went from city to city, to find my stores
to sell to.Walked in and started a conversation. All my clients came from
that, i don't want to miss that experience....learned so much about people
and customers. Would do it again, at the right time. Right now prefer online.
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• stares at its navel saying ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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• well no. No om's tolerated in this house. You've got it all wrong.

Perception is a problem, if it doesnt work out.

Pre-conception is worse.
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• Princess Balestra's Guide To Shapeshiftin'

1) Assoom a comfortable standin' position.

2) Open up a bottlea Southern Cumfo -- an' drink.

3) Wait for an indeterminate time that becomes ever more indeterminate the longer you wait.

4) Assoom the horizontal, kinda heaped.

Failure rate on this one is zero %, morphgasmers.
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•  Originally Posted by Princess Balestra [CENTER] Princess Balestra's Guide To Shapeshiftin' [LEFT]1) Assoom a comfortable standin' position. 2) Open up a bottlea Southern Cumfo -- an' drink. 3) Wait for an indeterminate time that becomes ever more indeterminate the longer you wait. 4) Assoom the horizontal, kinda heaped.
5) sniff some glue until a woman with a bow and arrow is shimmering overhead - and it aint cupid.
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•  Originally Posted by Princess Balestra Princess Balestra's Guide To Shapeshiftin' 1) Assoom a comfortable standin' position. There is no such thing 2) Open up a bottlea Southern Cumfo -- an' drink. Will Vodka or Rum Work and can I mix it 3) Wait for an indeterminate time that becomes ever more indeterminate the longer you wait. I do have a lot of time but I do not have an indeterminate amount 4) Assoom the horizontal, kinda heaped. That makes drinking vodka, rum, or SoCo very dificult Failure rate on this one is zero %, morphgasmers.

Thats all for now

al
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