Should I move to Europe???

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I have this possible opportunity. It's to move to Europe and live out my life there. It's a serious prospect. And I'm so sick of north america. I'm just tired of it all. Plus it's turning into essically a new nazi germany. It's a police state, and technocracy already. But give it a decade or 2. You haven't seen nothing yet. So I've thought about leaving for good. And I could get my eu citizenship. So I'm seriously considering it. But that's a major move. But I reason it could be such an adventure and so much fun too. I've been really struggling with all the pro's and con's of actually doing this for real and not just talking about it anymore.

could you please give me your two cents on the idea??? Thank you.
  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    If you don't want to live in "nazi germany" you might not like Europe. Remember that the original "nazi germany" was actually in Germany.

    Seriously though, no, no-one can help you out there. It's got to be your choice, and yours alone.

    Just make sure you don't jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.

    Go for a holiday there first. Travel far and wide (it's pretty easy to do), and learn as much as you can about each place along the way. That will help you determine whether or not it actually is the right move or not.

    On the other hand you might learn that you've actually got it pretty good where you are and have saved a lot of money and effort if you don't like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    as an American? you will move anyway soon. Why not Europe
    well they have the same problem as America,

    Asia is better for a time, Europe will rule the world, for a while

    hey, it does not matter, anything is better than America, This story is....
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    yet to be explained in full

    not yet the time for that. Wait for Sept. 30

    a big day at the global stock exchange...
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

      yet to be explained in full

      not yet the time for that. Wait for Sept. 30

      a big day at the global stock exchange...
      Today there was a financial person on the radio this morning. He listed a lot of bold predictions that were wrong over the years. As he said don't buy into the hype. At the end of the day someone is trying to get you to spend cash !
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ou-travel.html

    Three days later you are moving to Europe?

    You also have posted about being in your 40s and losing your sense of identity, etc.

    Moving to a country - if you have work or can support yourself - could be a great way to kickstart a new lifestyle or add interest/adventure to your life.

    If what you want is to escape problems in your life - don't do it. Solve the problems first, and then move.

    As for the comments about North America - that's crazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Just don't go to Spain, and renovate a Hotel, we have so many shows like that in AU, usually with a stupid couple from England, it is almost outflanking English renovation shows!

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    • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Just don't go to Spain, and renovate a Hotel, we have so many shows like that in AU, usually with a stupid couple from England, it is almost outflanking English renovation shows!

      lol. saw a few of those shows. I want to renovate a hotel. Right now!
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Originally Posted by theoperator View Post

    I have this possible opportunity. It's to move to Europe and live out my life there. It's a serious prospect. And I'm so sick of north america. I'm just tired of it all. Plus it's turning into essically a new nazi germany. It's a police state, and technocracy already. But give it a decade or 2. You haven't seen nothing yet. So I've thought about leaving for good. And I could get my eu citizenship. So I'm seriously considering it. But that's a major move. But I reason it could be such an adventure and so much fun too. I've been really struggling with all the pro's and con's of actually doing this for real and not just talking about it anymore.

    could you please give me your two cents on the idea??? Thank you.
    I am in the US and come from the UK. Swings and Roundabouts and, which country would you reside in? Healthcare is great, social security better. Much more expensive to live there though. If your a self sufficient internet marketer though, making a good income you can live anywhere. The dollar has never been stronger against the Euro-Currencies

    Best to travel first to the desired locations, get a feel for the cultures.

    I think you will find people there more real, more demonstrative, more sincere and friendly. America is cocooned in it's own little world.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    Maybe you were listening to the wrong guy on radio?

    you guys call yourself "business people" and don't know about the
    coming changes to the world's reserve currency system?

    c'mon i cannot believe that level of ignorance.
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      I have heard about the currency situation. But to say it is going to happen this Friday is going out on the limb. Will the US loose that status yes, but don't bet on it to happen overnight. It takes a little time before the whole world will buy into it. Worry more about a large bank going down some where around the globe or if the bond market crashes.
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  • Profile picture of the author theoperator
    Ya well I have to get a few things out of the way first. So I'm working on them. Ya I guess it's hard to know if the grass is greener on the other side. You know there's pro's and con's to it. But I just really really would love and invite a change. Even if the change really sucked at first. I don't care. I'd put up with it meanwhile just working on improving it until I could make it how I wanted it. but ya I just want to get out and try some stuff. Like I'm already in my 40's so at this age you start to sort of think about retirement and or taking some chances while you're still able to do so. Like because the reality is that if you don't take them then at some point you won't be able to anymore really.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    man, you're such a fragile guy with so many worries

    could you just reach out

    and do something?

    you know, to be honest, the top league here are doers
    not talkers, and we give not 1 flying fig-foo about talkers
    that never done anything themselves.

    identify a doer of choice: contact them

    or stay in your common misery forever
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

    lol. saw a few of those shows. I want to renovate a hotel. Right now!
    If you are from England, don't do it!


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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    it does not matter where you are from

    its a practical thing to do something practical. lol.

    i personally like hotels - i just not want to decorate them
    but thats just me, for everyone else: this might be a bigger
    game than you're used to play right now, So why be
    demanding? learn from the ground up - and have a solid
    education - that opens up all the other doors.

    its a step 1 then 2 then 3 - and finally you will be the owner
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Don't let the Statue of Liberty kick you in the ass on your way out. Buh-bye!

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    P.S. You'll be back. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    You know what I like better than moving to Europe? Expired canned beets and knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    If you are in your 40's without tons of obligations - why not go on the international job sites and see what you can find?

    Jobs Abroad | International Jobs & Work Abroad | GoAbroad.com

    I worked with a man who did that - left the US to work in Europe. He was able to travel all over Europe on weekends and holidays. He came back to the States for a couple of years - then moved permanently to Thailand.

    Takes a sense of adventure and a willingness to jump in and do it.
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    The latest quandary is Japan...

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I just saw the questions about Japan - think the OP should perhaps stay in Podunk, USA and subscribe to National Geographic.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    agree with you DWolfe, it might take a while, even 3 months

    but it starts Friday, if the Chinese will release their data about their gold holdings
    as well, which they said they will,
    then we suddenly have a currency backed by gold. And another one based on debt.

    At the same time Deutsche Bank positioned themselves to take down all central banks
    with them, if they go, all will go together. and we have the derivatives market that is just
    waiting for something like that to happens to go poof within a day or two.
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    • Profile picture of the author candoit2
      Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

      agree with you DWolfe, it might take a while, even 3 months

      but it starts Friday, if the Chinese will release their data about their gold holdings
      as well, which they said they will,
      then we suddenly have a currency backed by gold. And another one based on debt.

      At the same time Deutsche Bank positioned themselves to take down all central banks
      with them, if they go, all will go together. and we have the derivatives market that is just
      waiting for something like that to happens to go poof within a day or two.

      The purchase of gold by a central bank functions the same way as the purchase of any other asset: it adds to reserves in the banking system while at the same time it removes that asset.

      The mere purchase of gold does not mean the currency is "gold backed."

      For a currency to be deemed "gold backed" it must be convertible at some fixed rate to gold on demand.

      That is not what is going on here.

      Also for any other country to take over from the US as the go to currency that country needs to be willing to take on never ending massive deficits.

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  • Profile picture of the author proxy91
    If you can't make a decent living in North America, I highly doubt that you can do well in Europe. Remember why the U.S. gained independence from Great Britain?
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    I dont know the Chinese arrangements with their yet
    undisclosed huge quantities of gold, nearly sure the
    mere possession of it in physical terms is what decides
    that case in the end, because its not virtual, neither is
    it based on bets, like most of what these guys do:

    Deutsche Bank holds 75 Trillion Euro in derivatives,
    who could bail them out, who has that kind of money?
    this is different than Lehman bros & Freddy M in 2008
    this one is 20x the German GDP!

    & their shares are down to E10, no wonder the bond sales
    over there stalled. Who wants to invest in risky places like
    that, in moments like this. And its all connected, when DB
    goes, all global derivatives falter. It's the law of Las Vegas,
    gambling can be a threat to your ability to survive.
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    • Profile picture of the author candoit2
      Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

      I dont know the Chinese arrangements with their yet
      undisclosed huge quantities of gold, nearly sure the
      mere possession of it in physical terms is what decides
      that case in the end, because its not virtual, neither is
      it based on bets, like most of what these guys do:

      Deutsche Bank holds 75 Trillion Euro in derivatives,
      who could bail them out, who has that kind of money?
      this is different than Lehman bros & Freddy M in 2008
      this one is 20x the German GDP
      !

      & their shares are down to E10, no wonder the bond sales
      over there stalled. Who wants to invest in risky places like
      that, in moments like this. And its all connected, when DB
      goes, all global derivatives falter. It's the law of Las Vegas,
      gambling can be a threat to your ability to survive.

      Most likelihood there will be a "bail-in." That's where the government or, institution itself, with the government's blessing, takes depositors' money to bail itself out.

      It happened with the Cyprus banks during the financial crisis.

      It's basically thievery, but the banksters always win.

      If it goes this route then DB has more than enough to save itself. It'll just steal depositors' money.

      That means there is no crisis.

      So this is probably what is going to happen. The stock price of DB is irrelevant other than a source of maybe short-term selling in the stock market by the dumb money.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    bail-ins are always the solution, unless you call yourself "Europes biggest investment bank"
    like DB does. Who wants to invest in a bank that takes your investment to bail itself out?

    And: How will that affect the necessary confidence in the derivatives market?

    The biggest Bubble ever in the gambling niche."yes we lost all -but we play again"
    not this time, too many people will loose too much.
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    • Profile picture of the author candoit2
      Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

      bail-ins are always the solution, unless you call yourself "Europes biggest investment bank"
      like DB does. Who wants to invest in a bank that takes your investment to bail itself out?

      And: How will that affect the necessary confidence in the derivatives market?

      The biggest Bubble ever in the gambling niche."yes we lost all -but we play again"
      not this time, too many people will loose too much.
      Friendly advice.

      You are in way over your head and have a harmful understanding(if I can even call it that) of everything.

      There may be a short lived sell off. Not because a real crisis exists, but from the self induced liquidity generated.

      I mean if enough people and money flows the market can move a lot.

      You may call it a crash to feed your ego, but for us it is just the liquidity we need to get the prices we want.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
        Originally Posted by candoit2 View Post

        Friendly advice.

        You are in way over your head and have a harmful understanding(if I can even call it that) of everything.

        There may be a short lived sell off. Not because a real crisis exists, but from the self induced liquidity generated.

        I mean if enough people and money flows the market can move a lot.

        You may call it a crash to feed your ego, but for us it is just the liquidity we need to get the prices we want.

        Ah, a player. I see it from the angle of those guys that took their money out
        of DB today. Are they the amateurs that got scared? No, they know whats
        ahead, and you obviously are not informed yet. Well I take it back then,
        you are not a player, yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author candoit2
          Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

          Ah, a player. I see it from the angle of those guys that took their money out
          of DB today. Are they the amateurs that got scared? No, they know whats
          ahead, and you obviously are not informed yet. Well I take it back then,
          you are not a player, yet.
          Whoever you are following is not correctly understanding the information they have and are likely not even looking at the correct information they need for proper understanding.

          Incomplete information and a flawed understanding of economics to begin with.

          What they do or think is not something I hold in esteem.

          I will consider fading them when I see them all hyping up the same bullish or bearish sentiment.

          Like I said, short term they can be right but their lack of understanding means they will not stay right for long.

          It doesn't matter how smart you are if what you know is incomplete or just plain outdated information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terminus
    OP- 2 most important things:

    1)What specifically are you looking for in a new destination? How will relocating there fix the things you don't like about your current location? Will you run into any of those problems in your new location?
    2) Where, specifically is it that you have this opportunity? Various areas of Europe can be very different from one another. Living in Eastern Europe or Greece will be a very different experience than London.

    If you work totally online, try plugging into (or at least dropping by) one of the various "digital nomad" hubs in Europe. (Barcelona, Prague, Berlin, Tallin, Bucharest, etc). It's always helpful to surround yourself with like-minded folks.

    I highly reccomend living abroad for to anyone who had the opportunity. You will have many unforgettable, sometimes uncomortable expereinces, but if you approach it with the right attitude you'll emerge better for it on the other side.

    Tell us more about what you want in this new life you're considering, and hopefully I can tailor my advice more specifically.

    Cheers,
    -Joe
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Why not be a digital nomad? Why not live in Europe for a time and then somewhere else for another part of the year? Why be tied to one location?
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