I just killed a 4 1/2 foot rattle snake! (Pic Inside)

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So I go outside to take a break from typing all day and I hear the "rattle" of a snake. That sound that says... death!

I froze in my tracks and see a coiled snake that could have stricken at any moment.

I took a few steps back and grabbed a 10 gauge shot gun and shot it, I didn't want to do it, but I have a 6 year old boy that runs all over these 2 acres.

http://greenovni.org/1.jpg

It took 2 shots!

I never believed that a near death experience / scare would have your whole life flash besides your eyes until today.

2 things stick out now that the excitement is down.

1. If I die, who takes care of my son?
2. Is my business in order and can it produce long term income for my son?

The answer to # 1 is a personal decision that I would have to make.

The answer to # 2 at this time is a big fat NO. At this point I do not have my business in automatic / long term income mode, no one besides myself knows what I do and no one has any passwords to be able to access any of my accounts.

I don't even have a will done yet!

I guess starting tomorrow, I need to create a real business plan instead of the regular running ads to get some conversions.

How about you? Have you ever thought what happens to your online business in case of an accident or death?
#1 or 2 #foot #inside #killed #pic #rattle #snake
  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    That still leaves your business unattended and I would still be at the mercy of an insurance company whose sole purpose is to profit. They might even refuse to pay because they don't cover "rattle snakes".
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Bastide
      Oh Wow Man

      I'm In Kissimmee

      never seen one of those

      Whereabouts in Orlando are ya?

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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      That still leaves your business unattended and I would still be at the mercy of an insurance company whose sole purpose is to profit. They might even refuse to pay because they don't cover "rattle snakes".
      Wow, who knew ripping off customers was the key to making profits?

      So then, since profit is apparently evil in your book, can we assume you won't be working for a profit once you get serious about your business? And surely there will be no profit involved in the house you're trying to sell, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author greenovni
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        Wow, who knew ripping off customers was the key to making profits?

        So then, since profit is apparently evil in your book, can we assume you won't be working for a profit once you get serious about your business? And surely there will be no profit involved in the house you're trying to sell, right?
        The problem is not that they profit. The problem is that they screw people. That is their job, to pay you (the insured) as little money as possible for your claim.

        They are now in cahoots with wall street to profit from our death.
        Wall Street's $500 billion plot to profit from your death -- DailyFinance

        I rather leave my son an automatic business that makes $30,000 a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Wow, that would be so scary. Good for you for staying calm and taking care of the beast - eeeewww!

    When we were travelling a couple of years ago there was a poisonous snake in the caravan park and the owner wouldn't do anything about it because they are a 'protected species'. Then another guy that worked there came along with a shovel and killed it - his view - protected species or not, there are kids running around the park and kids lives are more important than a snakes. With 3 of my own kids running around, I agreed with him, I'd rather the snake dead than one of my kids.
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  • Profile picture of the author arepb
    You got pretty close to take that pic!
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Pigmy rattlers are a big problem here in NW Florida. I see one of
    them almost every week :-)

    I have insurance, wills and written out instructions.

    Many of my projects are also corporations, meaning
    they will live on after I do anyway :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    @Sheryl Polomka I agree - too big of a snake to have here on property. We have tons of animals on these parts including protected turtles (which my son feeds all the time) deer, hawks, eagles, snakes and I have never seen any as dangerous as this one on my property.

    @Jack Bastide East orlando - 50 / Colonial drive towards Christmas.

    @arepb I had already shot the snake.

    @Willie Crawford Hey Willie, nice to see you again, it's been a while. Yeah, you have hit the big times and looks like you have your business completely covered.

    Quick question, do you open a new company for each venture or just one big company for all ventures?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ivancho
    Just to tell you buddy if their is one their will be always more and more... get someone to check out your garden is dangerous...
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    @Bryan Zimmerman Yeah, they have been out a lot because of the rain too. We had 1/2 of water all throughout the property.

    @Ivancho I have a little more than a garden 2 Acres of "unincorporated land" that includes some endangered species of turtle.

    For those that sent PMs. I am not a "gun" type of person, that thing has been there for years in an old shed. I'm surprised it worked at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Sepich
    Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

    So I go outside to take a break from typing all day and I hear the "rattle" of a snake. That sound that says... death!

    I froze in my tracks and see a coiled snake that could have stricken at any moment.

    I took a few steps back and grabbed a 10 gauge shot gun and shot it, I didn't want to do it, but I have a 6 year old boy that runs all over these 2 acres.

    http://greenovni.org/1.jpg

    It took 2 shots!

    I never believed that a near death experience / scare would have your whole life flash besides your eyes until today.

    2 things stick out now that the excitement is down.

    1. If I die, who takes care of my son?
    2. Is my business in order and can it produce long term income for my son?

    The answer to # 1 is a personal decision that I would have to make.

    The answer to # 2 at this time is a big fat NO. At this point I do not have my business in automatic / long term income mode, no one besides myself knows what I do and no one has any passwords to be able to access any of my accounts.

    I don't even have a will done yet!

    I guess starting tomorrow, I need to create a real business plan instead of the regular running ads to get some conversions.

    How about you? Have you ever thought what happens to your online business in case of an accident or death?
    I'm seeing subliminal alien heads similar to your avatar all over your driveway surrounding the snake. Anybody else seeing that? Look carefully!

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  • Profile picture of the author Versus
    anyone else uneasy at their desk today, after seeing that photo?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Killops
    We were in Orlando a couple weeks ago (Actually at a the Beach Club Disney World resort) and my son was on our balcony and noticed a huge snake on the ground close to the building. The thing was gray in color so I guess it asn't a rattle snake.

    I wasn't going t go close to the snake. Them scare the &%* out of me.

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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    @George Sepich Lol, you mean the shadows on the floor?
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    I hate snakes. Thank God there're none in Ireland (Thanks, St. Paddy! )
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    @Versus I've been uneasy all day for some reason

    @Gary Killops Most snakes do not bother us as both my son and I can distinguish them and leave them alone. This one happened to be too big and ready to strike so I had no other choice.

    It is very seldom that we see a snake & most snakes we see are garden snakes 2-3 feet in length.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Dean
    Now you got me thinking about the cotton mouth I killed in our pool. That thing terrified me (I'm in N.E. Fl)

    We have garden snakes and a few fair sized rat snakes but they run off when you encounter them. This moccasin leaped (for lack of a better word) into the pool, swam to the side I was on and came about 1/2 way out of the water hissing at me as I was walking down the deck to the pool.

    It challenged me when I tried to get it with the pool net. So I shot it 3 times with 22lr rat shot before it retreated then 3 more times to finish it off. I had never believed they were that aggressive as the Fl site on snakes dispells this. Felt under gunned with the 22 lol but I got it so it wouldn't damage the pool deck etc.

    I am a believer now. Still have a look around before letting the kids go in. Gives me shivers.

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
    Wow you are a real tough guy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

      Wow you are a real tough guy.
      Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

      Your tone betrays your true motivations.
      Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

      Funny how snake killers always use this extremely lame argument to support the killing of an innocent animal who was just minding its own business. There are plenty of non-cowardly ways to deal with a rattlesnake and killing them is completely unnecessary.
      What would you have rather he did?

      Run and hide in his house?

      Picked it up and moved it?


      I can't figure out whether you are being serious or if you are just trolling.
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    @Tom Dean Moccasins are wild, they WILL attack you. It is the only snake I've ever seen that comes after you.

    When I first arrived in FL I had the great idea of opening a aqua scape company (like landscape but underwater) and the business did really good because there are only 42 companies in the whole state of FL.

    The very first mocassin I saw just came after me!!! Just imagine, a latin kid (back then) running / swimming like a little girl because the snake was going to 'eat me'!

    Those are some evil snakes that I kill on sight.

    Wow, the famous water moccasin, great memories!

    PS. To kill an evil moccasin nothing short than a 20 guage shotgun.

    @Gary_The_Ace I don't remember any meet ups - we should have one!
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    @Rich Struck I didn't want to kill it, but I also didn't want it to be around my son. Nothing tough about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      @Rich Struck I didn't want to kill it, but I also didn't want it to be around my son. Nothing tough about it.
      Your tone betrays your true motivations.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teresa Coppes
    Ewwwww!! That is scary!

    And what a great way to get the mind going and see exactly how you can setup your business to keep going when you're gone. I'm glad (not really glad but hope you know can't think of a better term) that you were the one who came upon that snake and not your son.
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    This would make a great WSO! ;-)
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    grrr...

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Henshaw
      This would make a great WSO! ;-)
      I might be inclined to agree - but then we need the niche!

      Guns, the snake, natural history, or the story et al?

      Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    @Rich Struck You don't even know me so how would you know my true intentions? True intention from here is: ANYTHING that can harm my son I will neutralize by any and all means necessary.

    We have many animals / critters around these parts and I have never had to hurt any until today.

    @Teresa_C I am glad that he wasn't here but out with his mom for the day! I already told him that he can no longer play in the woods and must stay close at all times. I tell you, something like this changes the way you look at things.

    @ FormerWageSlave lol, the rattle snake method: How a brush with "death" put me on a path to millions!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      @Rich Struck You don't even know me so how would you know my true intentions? True intention from here is: ANYTHING that can harm my son I will neutralize by any and all means necessary.
      Funny how snake killers always use this extremely lame argument to support the killing of an innocent animal who was just minding its own business. There are plenty of non-cowardly ways to deal with a rattlesnake and killing them is completely unnecessary.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
        Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

        Funny how snake killers always use this extremely lame argument to support the killing of an innocent animal who was just minding its own business. There are plenty of non-cowardly ways to deal with a rattlesnake and killing them is completely unnecessary.

        Well, there is always torture and release.
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
        Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

        Funny how snake killers always use this extremely lame argument to support the killing of an innocent animal who was just minding its own business. There are plenty of non-cowardly ways to deal with a rattlesnake and killing them is completely unnecessary.
        In Scotland you don't have anything but adders to worry about and in the last 100 years only a dozen people have died from an adder bite.

        Adders rarely bite unless picked up and even when bitten their bites do not generally cause very serious reactions.

        In the US 7000-8000 people are bitten by venomous snakes each year. Every rattle snake bite is potentially deadly. It can cause massive tissue damage and destroy organs.

        Luckily anti venom is available and which reduces the immediate death rate to around 4% but the bite can have lasting effects due to the damage that can still cause shortened life.

        Poor poor snake... I guess it should have read the "children at play" and "beware of shotgun" sign...

        Out here in the west we eat them and a shotgun is as good as any way of dispatching them... just be careful not to bite into a stray pellet.

        I am sure I was conditioned to hate the poisonous varieties though because my favorite cartoon movie growing up was Rikky Tikky Tavi:


        True it is that he could have been more charitable toward the poor snake... we do have some traditions in the US of taking the poor abused fellas dancing at church:


        They make far better food though ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author aquablue
        Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

        Funny how snake killers always use this extremely lame argument to support the killing of an innocent animal who was just minding its own business. There are plenty of non-cowardly ways to deal with a rattlesnake and killing them is completely unnecessary.
        It wasn't minding it's own business, it was in "attack mode". What greenovni did was in self-defense. Where there are children involved? No contest.
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      • Profile picture of the author JakeDaly
        Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

        Funny how snake killers always use this extremely lame argument to support the killing of an innocent animal who was just minding its own business. There are plenty of non-cowardly ways to deal with a rattlesnake and killing them is completely unnecessary.
        If it makes you feel any better, I once killed 3 snakes over a span of 24 hours. I indirectly saved well over forty people from inevitable screaming, two potential car crashes, multiple people who may fear venom bites from unneccessary stress and helped dozens of people live better, more ordinary lives.

        Now out of all those people I saved, let's just assume one goes onto win a Nobel prize and find the cure for AIDs. Guess what? One small, insignificant act of killing three snakes and BAM, we have the cure for AIDs. And here you are, going all Pro-Snake and little do you realize that the methodical killing of venomous snakes has, in turn, saved the World many times over.

        Even PETA doesn't like snakes, it says so on their website.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          There are other options:

          http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS274US274&q=orlando+animal+contro l+snake+removal



          Originally Posted by JakeDaly View Post

          If it makes you feel any better, I once killed 3 snakes over a span of 24 hours. I indirectly saved well over forty people from inevitable screaming, two potential car crashes, multiple people who may fear venom bites from unneccessary stress and helped dozens of people live better, more ordinary lives.

          Now out of all those people I saved, let's just assume one goes onto win a Nobel prize and find the cure for AIDs. Guess what? One small, insignificant act of killing three snakes and BAM, we have the cure for AIDs. And here you are, going all Pro-Snake and little do you realize that the methodical killing of venomous snakes has, in turn, saved the World many times over.

          Even PETA doesn't like snakes, it says so on their website.
          Since you can make up the future, please allow me to do the same: Let's assume the snake eats a rat that was going to give birth to other rats, one of which will carry fleas that carry the bubonic plague, which kills the guy that was going to cure aids.
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            Since you can make up the future, please allow me to do the same: Let's assume the snake eats a rat that was going to give birth to other rats, one of which will carry fleas that carry the bubonic plague, which kills the guy that was going to cure aids.
            That is false.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by JakeDaly View Post

          If it makes you feel any better, I once killed 3 snakes over a span of 24 hours. I indirectly saved well over forty people from inevitable screaming, two potential car crashes, multiple people who may fear venom bites from unneccessary stress and helped dozens of people live better, more ordinary lives.

          Now out of all those people I saved, let's just assume one goes onto win a Nobel prize and find the cure for AIDs. Guess what? One small, insignificant act of killing three snakes and BAM, we have the cure for AIDs. And here you are, going all Pro-Snake and little do you realize that the methodical killing of venomous snakes has, in turn, saved the World many times over.

          Even PETA doesn't like snakes, it says so on their website.
          That is false.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
        Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

        Funny how snake killers always use this extremely lame argument to support the killing of an innocent animal who was just minding its own business. There are plenty of non-cowardly ways to deal with a rattlesnake and killing them is completely unnecessary.
        I killed a Coral snake that was only about 2 feet and I'm not going to use any "extremely large" arguments. I'm going to use the "it's one less deadly snake that is going to have the potential to bite me or my kids".

        If it's poisoness and it's in my area, it dies. No matter what it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      @Rich Struck You don't even know me so how would you know my true intentions? True intention from here is: ANYTHING that can harm my son I will neutralize by any and all means necessary.

      We have many animals / critters around these parts and I have never had to hurt any until today.

      Don't feel like you need to justify your actions to people like this.

      The only thing I question you about is why it took 2 shots. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author greenovni
        Originally Posted by vckloong View Post

        what you wrote here got me thinking... without an automated business means no income for the family after my death.. great point dude!
        Yeah, I am about to redo my whole business plan and separate what is being done for quick cash / unstable business and what will be done for longer term results.

        Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

        Actually, killing a rattling rattlesnake is bad for us.

        Since a large number of snakes who rattle in warning are killed, we're removing that trait from their gene pool. A rattlesnake that stays silent has a much higher survivability and hence has more offspring. They're already rattling much less then they used to. In another 200 years people might wonder why rattlesnakes even have rattles.

        If you have a small child or dog, kill them. If not, take care of your rodent problem and the snakes will move on.

        I'm not a snake lover, I just prefer practical solutions.
        I usually see them minding their own business and agree that killing them is bad as they eat all the rodents. They usually go away from you and I have thought my boy to leave them alone and walk away and have even taking him to "snake classes" so he is pretty used to walking away, this one was coiled and rattling like a drunk spanish singer with maracas.

        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        Don't feel like you need to justify your actions to people like this.

        The only thing I question you about is why it took 2 shots. :p
        Took 2 shots because the first hit him on the side and he was still going.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    I live in the Stl. area and recently used a lawn mower to kill a copperhead snake. With three little ones running around, it kind of freaked me out. BTW that rattler was huge ... yikes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    The best thing you can do is teach your familiy proper first aid and how to deal with snake bites - you won't need to worry about carking it then A properly bandaged snake bite will give you a lot of time to get proper care.

    My favourite snake encouter was when I was was knee deep in a creek and a red-bellied black decided to swim over and say g'day. I walked on water that day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      My favourite snake encouter was when I was was knee deep in a creek and a red-bellied black decided to swim over and say g'day. I walked on water that day!
      We encountered a red-bellied black in the Murray River. I always looked out for snakes on land but never really thought about them in the river until you meet up with one in there! Pretty scary!

      Funny how snake killers always use this extremely lame argument to support the killing of an innocent animal who was just minding its own business. There are plenty of non-cowardly ways to deal with a rattlesnake and killing them is completely unnecessary.
      So full of crap!

      I have never killed a snake and I'd be terrified if I had to do it, but if it is choosing between a snakes life and my kids - my kids win hands down!

      You can't just let deadly snakes linger around your yard when you have young kids running around.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr.Tambourine
    oh man ! you've scared me now ! Do you live in Australia or something ? It's good I don't have a kid, YET
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkWrites
    Hmm, I look at that picture and all I can think is... hey cool, snakeskin floormats!
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  • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
    Well here in AZ where allowed to carry guns all the time.Yes,private citisens.
    When i go out beyond the safety zone,whatever that is,i carry a snake gun.
    410 shotgun but its the size of a single shot pistol
    Or a .38 with rat shot.
    Nothing less than a .22 mag with rat shot.
    I used to live in St Pete.
    You ought to see some of the rattlers here.
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  • Profile picture of the author terriorah
    Wow, my first time on this forum and I see this big, ugly snake! Glad you took care of business, especially with a child around. I wouldn't hesitate at all if one was in my backyard or front yard for that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    Actually, killing a rattling rattlesnake is bad for us.

    Since a large number of snakes who rattle in warning are killed, we're removing that trait from their gene pool. A rattlesnake that stays silent has a much higher survivability and hence has more offspring. They're already rattling much less then they used to. In another 200 years people might wonder why rattlesnakes even have rattles.

    If you have a small child or dog, kill them. If not, take care of your rodent problem and the snakes will move on.

    I'm not a snake lover, I just prefer practical solutions.

    (I believe Rich the snake guy is in Scotland, SD.)
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    • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
      Large numbers of deer are killed every year while crossing roads. When will they lose this trait from their gene pool?

      A dead rattlesnake never rattles again. How do the live ones learn from the dead one not to rattle?

      John

      Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

      Actually, killing a rattling rattlesnake is bad for us.

      Since a large number of snakes who rattle in warning are killed, we're removing that trait from their gene pool. A rattlesnake that stays silent has a much higher survivability and hence has more offspring. They're already rattling much less then they used to. In another 200 years people might wonder why rattlesnakes even have rattles.

      If you have a small child or dog, kill them. If not, take care of your rodent problem and the snakes will move on.

      I'm not a snake lover, I just prefer practical solutions.

      (I believe Rich the snake guy is in Scotland, SD.)
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by john_kennedy View Post

        Large numbers of deer are killed every year while crossing roads. When will they lose this trait from their gene pool?


        John
        It's not a "gene" problem.

        If they would just move those deer crossing signs to the back roads it would help a great deal...
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by john_kennedy View Post

        A dead rattlesnake never rattles again. How do the live ones learn from the dead one not to rattle?
        He was referring to evolution / survival of the fittest stuff.

        Let me give you some crazy made-up numbers... (total fiction -- illustration purposes only)...

        Let's say you have 200 snakes. 100 of them have a tendency to rattle whenever danger approaches. The other 100 rarely rattle. (Think of it like a personality characteristic -- just like some people are very serious and some of them are more humorous.)

        The rattlers attract attention to themselves so they get killed (shotguns, shovels, tied into a pretzel and flung from a cliff). Let's say 60 of them get killed.

        The non-rattlers don't attract that kind of attention. They're stealth. Humans don't even realize these non-rattlers are living nearby. So maybe only 20 of them get killed.

        Now you have 40 rattlers left and 80 non-rattlers. They all go out and reproduce. The rattlers pass on their tendency to rattle to their little ones. The non rattlers pass on their tendency to keep quiet.

        Next year, another batch of the rattlers get killed because they're always calling attention to themselves. A much smaller percentage of the non-rattlers get whacked because they keep things on the down low.

        Year after year after year the cycle repeats. Eventually -- maybe in a couple hundred years-- you'll have more non-rattlers than rattlers.

        (Again, totally made up numbers.)

        Here's a real example of evolution in action:

        Peppered moth evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  • Profile picture of the author solardave
    I lived in Tampa for almost 20 years and Orlando for 2. I know the area where you live and I'd say you will have to be vigilant from now on. There was this one time I was working at these people's house north of Tampa (they lived next to the golf coarse).
    I had parked my van out back under some pine trees. When I went back to get my tools there was a "rattler" about 6' long at the edge of the yard. I took a long handled shovel out and persuaded him out onto the golf coarse. I was lucky,he was willing to leave, and I figured those golfers had the balls to deal with him.
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  • Profile picture of the author ELCaD
    This is a topic that I have discussed a few times, but always avoid because hopefully I have many more years yet so no need to worry.
    But it is worrying to think that I could die tomorrow, and everything I have worked hard for will probably go with me...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    There are a lot of snakes in the news around here lately (florida). A huge python just killed an infant about a month ago, and i think that there is now open season on pythons. If you look around the internet, there was a python found in the everglades last year that basically exploded because it had killed a gator and was trying to swallow it whole.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    YIKES. I am deadly allergic to venom from most anything, from spiders to bees to snakes. I could not imagine seeing one that big, and I think you did the right thing, I have 5 little ones and would not want a snake anywhere near them, SURE...I could bandage them up and take em to the hospital if the snake bite them, but I would rather NEVER have to do that. Uggh, you got me all creeped out now. Please tell me it's not all over Florida right now the snakes are out in masse, I have plans to go there in two weeks and I don't like snakes...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I think in n. florida its not so bad. mid/south florida there are stories just about once a week of some ridiculous sized python being found or killing a child or something. I think in the last month or so there have been a couple 15ft+ pythons in the news. One was a 'pet' and killed an infant in lakeland (about 20 mins from tampa), one was pulled out of a toilet in a house. Big mofos too, about the diameter of your thigh
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Out here in the west we eat them
      Rattlesnake is good eating

      At 4 1/2 feet that would make that an Eastern Diamondback.
      I used to hunt them in Fl. back in the 70's.
      Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      I think in n. florida its not so bad. mid/south florida there are stories just about once a week of some ridiculous sized python being found or killing a child or something. I think in the last month or so there have been a couple 15ft+ pythons in the news. One was a 'pet' and killed an infant in lakeland (about 20 mins from tampa), one was pulled out of a toilet in a house. Big mofos too, about the diameter of your thigh
      Back in the 70's the problem was mostly confined to the Miami and Homestead areas.
      The ships bringing the snakes in from South America would dock in Miami and being snakes some would escape from the quarantine areas.
      A friend and I hunted for them around there and would sell them to the local pet stores.
      Poisonous snakes brought in the best money though.
      Bill Haast, when he was in Miami would pay 1.75 a foot for rattlers and if I remember right 30. for Corral snakes.
      For extra $ we would catch Armadillos at night and sell them to the Cuban restaurants at $3.00 each dead or alive.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    too big of a snake to have here on property.
    Hate to tell you this - but size isn't a factor in poisonous. Those baby snakes can carry twice the venom of an adult - nature's way of protecting the small and innocent. Same goes for scorpions.


    Since a large number of snakes who rattle in warning are killed, we're removing that trait from their gene pool. A rattlesnake that stays silent has a much higher survivability and hence has more offspring. They're already rattling much less then they used to. In another 200 years people might wonder why rattlesnakes even have rattles.
    We are seeing that now here in Idaho. It used to be that you couldn't get within 30 feet of a snake without it telling you to back the heck off (other than if the morning was chilly, they are lethargic in cold) and now you can almost step on them and they don't utter a sound. It gets a little spooky rockhounding in the sage now because they are too quiet.

    Another thing you have to watch out for is season - if they are molting sometimes the skin will form a hood over their eyes and pretty muchly blind them and then they will strike at anything that moves near them - and they don't always tell you they are there.

    Otherwise a rattler won't strike unless it feels it has to -- remember, when they spend their venom they are defenseless for awhile until it rebuilds so the only time they will strike is to eat and if they think they are in danger. I've been in striking distance a few times but did nothing to alarm them and got away with no real problems (other than a need to change my pants, lol).


    I would suggest that if you are going to live in areas where there are poisonous life forms you need to start teaching your kids how to survive around them - how to avoid them, safety around them, how to get away safely if they get too close - and how to watch out for them. You aren't going to be there 24/7 and the animal is not likely to notice whose property line it has crossed. And you can't kill ALL of them.

    A kid can handle acting right around them if they know how. If they stay over a body length away from a rattler it can't strike them. If they know to look out, they aren't going to get closer than that. Kids aren't stupid if you give them a chance not to be.

    And if you have to kill one -- for cripes sakes, don't waste it. They are excellent food. There's no excuse to kill something edible and not eat it.
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  • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
    He was referring to evolution / survival of the fittest stuff.
    I was calling BS on his assertions. I'd want to see proof that rattlers are losing their propensity to rattle when they feel endangered.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    maybe its not that they would loose their propensity to rattle. Maybe through some kind of genetic winds of fate, their rattlers arent as loud, or dont rattle as easiliy. But others rattle loud and easily. It would seem to be logical that sooner or later, the loud ones will get killed off and those that through a fate of nature just dont makes as much noise will be whats left?
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      maybe its not that they would loose their propensity to rattle. Maybe through some kind of genetic winds of fate, their rattlers arent as loud, or dont rattle as easiliy. But others rattle loud and easily. It would seem to be logical that sooner or later, the loud ones will get killed off and those that through a fate of nature just dont makes as much noise will be whats left?
      That's a possibility too -- and I'm sure there are even more explanations for why some rattle and some don't. But either way, the end result is that you have more non-rattlers because the rattlers are getting whacked, Soprano style.
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  • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
    I might buy into some of that if the majority of rattlesnakes lived amongst humans but the fact is that the majority of rattlesnakes go through their entire lives never seeing much less getting to rattle at a human.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    rattlesnakes have predators other than humans...
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  • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
    yes they do, but like a tree falling how do we know how they behave when there are not any humans around. Ever see any of the Far Side cartoons?
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by john_kennedy View Post

      yes they do, but like a tree falling how do we know how they behave when there are not any humans around. Ever see any of the Far Side cartoons?
      Well that just goes to show that animals are learning to protect themselves from humans - after the amount we kill, it would seem they HAVE to or we'll wipe them all out. It doesn't matter if a snake still warns a coyote or not to stay off - they aren't warning humans and that is the point that we need to watch for no matter what the reasons or how the trait is transpiring.

      You asked for proof? Come on out to Idaho and take a trip through the Owyhee mountains someday. That simple. They aren't rattling as normal and that's a fact nobody that lives out here where there are a lot of rattlers is contesting. Everyone is noticing it. It's just downright spooky. If you need some form of logical debate over genetic evolution, I haven't got it - but I hunt rocks in the Owyhees often - and I know when I'm rattled at and when I'm not. So do these ranchers out here. The empiracle evidence says they aren't so we really don't give a rip what the scientists say - we're just watching our step a lot more carefully now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Lowe
    I visited Orlando 2 years ago and was hoping to see some type of snake or other dangerous creature. The scariest thing I saw was a squirrel..lol

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      Originally Posted by Rich Lowe View Post

      The scariest thing I saw was a squirrel..lol

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      I hope you had the proper training before wandering into their natural habitat...SQUIRREL_ATTACK_PREVENTION_PROGRAM
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  • Profile picture of the author fionasdesigns
    Snakes .....Give me the creeps... shudder....
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    • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
      Originally Posted by fionasdesigns View Post

      Snakes .....Give me the creeps... shudder....
      I know how you feel. My definition of a bad snake:

      If it is longer than it is wide, it is a bad snake.

      Avoid at all costs. I don't kill snakes, even those in my yard and especially those in the wild. I have no small children here though and might take another view if it were truly a hazard.

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  • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
    I'd love to come out there. I was just in SW Montana in the Beartooth wilderness area and only saw one snake. Here is an interesting article on timber rattlers:

    Rattlesnakes in New Jersey

    Here is the quote I found most interesting:

    They rattle, after all, only when they feel threatened, but not to warn. "They would rather attempt to remain invisible than make their presence known."
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    I discovered we have a black rat snake living around the area here. Of course I leaped up a flight of stairs the moment I saw it, but heard later that black snakes are good to have around -- they actually eat other snakes eggs? Maybe even rattlesnake eggs so the snakes will go elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    We have bull snakes here Sherice - they eat rattlers too. But they get up to 10 feet long and are ferocious looking things. I stopped by one who was stretched almost across the road I was on so I could get a good look at the head - almost like a dragon's snout on them. It raised up and looked straight in my window and at least 5 feet of it was still on the ground. Talk about an intimidating thing.
    They are grouchy but not poisonous, but more people die from their bite than a rattler because of what they eat and the bacteria in their mouths. One ornery little non-poisonous creature I don't want to cross.
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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    Congrats - you get to say "I killed a rattlesnake by shooting it
    twice with a shotgun!" to your friends now =)

    I would kill it in a heartbeat as well. Funny how I saw a comment
    about how this would be a harmless animal minding its own
    business.

    If you were minding your own business on a picnic and
    mama grizzly and her cubs were nearby, she ain't caring if you're
    minding your business. You're potential danger/food to the cubs
    and you'd better get out!

    Not that I've been near one... but I ain't going to try.

    So, if a snake like that's near a place with kids, what's wrong
    with wanting to protect the young and blow that thing to
    smithereens?

    Show me a movie where a man dies for an endangered species
    versus someone dying to save another and I'll show you which
    one makes more sense. B)

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  • Profile picture of the author Amitywill
    I probably would've done the same but it's never
    nice having to kill something in my opinion.

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