I have an issue With my New Laptop!

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Hi, all, a new subject, just got a Toshiba i7, 4k resolution, blah, blah, Laptop, and eventhough it is great it does have a major issue with Photoshop cs2-6 maybe later, as the tabs are tiny and the text is blurry.


I was able to fix the text issue, but not the tabs one? Anyone else out there have a high res, laptop, and this issue?


So far, installing XP mode, (have Windows 7 Pro,) or inserting some code into the registry, and then in the software itself seem to be the only fixes.


Anyone here have any fixes that l am not aware of? Appreciate some help.


PS it is 16gigs, as well, and l don't really want to virtually link back to another one of my computers with cs, as they are slow.


Help!
  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Have you tried adjusting the screen resolution? Your old version of Photoshop is most likely not optimized for 4k res.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Have you tried adjusting the screen resolution? Your old version of Photoshop is most likely not optimized for 4k res.
      4K res, hmmmmm
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  • Profile picture of the author Faulkner
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    Hi, all, a new subject, just got a Toshiba i7, 4k resolution, blah, blah, Laptop, and eventhough it is great it does have a major issue with Photoshop cs2-6 maybe later, as the tabs are tiny and the text is blurry.


    I was able to fix the text issue, but not the tabs one? Anyone else out there have a high res, laptop, and this issue?


    So far, installing XP mode, (have Windows 7 Pro,) or inserting some code into the registry, and then in the software itself seem to be the only fixes.


    Anyone here have any fixes that l am not aware of? Appreciate some help.


    PS it is 16megs, as well, and l don't really want to virtually link back to another one of my computers with cs, as they are slow.


    Help!
    Right click on the PS icon (on your desktop, taskbar, Start menu or the exe file), select Properties. Click the Compatibility tab. Test out the various compatibility options there (OS, resolution, etc.).

    In the meantime, post about this on the official forum - just in case they are unaware (unlikely). Who knows, an update might be released to address the issue.

    ps: Don't touch the registry.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

    Have you tried adjusting the screen resolution? Your old version of Photoshop is most likely not optimized for 4k res.
    Yes, Dan, spent a day or so adjusting that or trying to. Also adjusted the darkness of the text, etc.

    Very happy with it overall, apart from tini tabs in Photoshop, illustrator and Fontographer 5.2.

    Although illustrator automatically flattens transparencies when loading up, so running that one in XP mode shouldn't be a hassle.

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    4K res, hmmmmm
    Yes, but from what l have read any screen that goes past 1366x768, will shrink the tabs in the same way.

    I can also understand why you pushed high res, screens, colors are darker and richer, and the WF, logo looks good, (looks like a bit of a mess in normal res,).


    Originally Posted by Faulkner View Post

    Right click on the PS icon (on your desktop, taskbar, Start menu or the exe file), select Properties. Click the Compatibility tab. Test out the various compatibility options there (OS, resolution, etc.).

    In the meantime, post about this on the official forum - just in case they are unaware (unlikely). Who knows, an update might be released to address the issue.

    ps: Don't touch the registry.
    Thanks Faulkner, trying it now, but so far usual small screen issue.

    I will mess about with it, and try restarting the Laptop?



    PS true l am not crazy about changing one line in the registry then cutting and pasting some file into cs2, others have reported that it worked but others have said, that it didn't or cs2 wouldn't load.

    I thought that creating a restore point, and image of the OS, before trying that would keep the risk to a minimum.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Why in the world come to WF about this? Go to the source.

    https://forums.adobe.com/community/photoshop



    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

    Have you tried adjusting the screen resolution? Your old version of Photoshop is most likely not optimized for 4k res.
    Oh, and what Dan said. In your rush to stick with the old while avoiding Windows 10, did you consider matching the machine with the software instead of just worrying about if the software was compatible with the OS?
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Seems to me that the root cause of all your problems is you're using a version of photoshop that is about a decade old. At the time of its release that high a resolution was unheard of.

    Sooner, rather than later, you're going to have to bite the bullet and upgrade photoshop, or choose an alternative. In one of your many posts about these issues you're having I recommended GIMP. It's free and so are all of its updates.

    However if you absolutely have to use photoshop, you're going to have to open your wallet. As I mentioned, its more likely you'll need to do that sooner, not later.

    Alternatively I guess, you can keep creating threads about the issues you're having.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Alternatively I guess, you can keep creating threads about the issues you're having.
      I'm sure he'd much prefer that over spending money. I mean, after all, he only uses Photoshop to earn a living, so what would be the benefit in upgrading? Why should Adobe get any portion of that income???

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I can understand trying to save money, but Photoshop is only $9.95 a month with a 30 day free trial on the Cloud and includes all updates. If you make money from it, it seems like a needed expense.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I can understand trying to save money,
      But surely not acting like a piker!

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I can understand trying to save money, but Photoshop is only $9.95 a month with a 30 day free trial on the Cloud and includes all updates. If you make money from it, it seems like a needed expense.
      9.95 a month, is that all, really Shane, a business expense. Beats buying it outright too.

      Being in education we can use the whole Adobe Creative Suite for about that per year, on our home devices as well as works, To have it at work is free. Office 365 is free for home and work. It may not pay top money salary wise but it has it's perks.

      PS: A true 4k display has a resolution of 3,840 pixels (horizontal) x 2,160 pixels Does yours have that?
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    Why in the world come to WF about this? Go to the source.

    https://forums.adobe.com/community/photoshop

    Oh, and what Dan said. In your rush to stick with the old while avoiding Windows 10, did you consider matching the machine with the software instead of just worrying about if the software was compatible with the OS?
    No Dan the supplier, installed it for me, and it is Windows 7 Pro. w7pro also allows the touch screen thing, so it doesn't seem to have any incompatibility issues.

    I had virtual XP as a backup if cs2,etc didn't work, but XP mode eventhough it has installed has also skipped some of the installation steps and won't show any links.


    Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

    Seems to me that the root cause of all your problems is you're using a version of photoshop that is about a decade old. At the time of its release that high a resolution was unheard of.

    Sooner, rather than later, you're going to have to bite the bullet and upgrade photoshop, or choose an alternative. In one of your many posts about these issues you're having I recommended GIMP. It's free and so are all of its updates.

    However if you absolutely have to use photoshop, you're going to have to open your wallet. As I mentioned, its more likely you'll need to do that sooner, not later.

    Alternatively I guess, you can keep creating threads about the issues you're having.
    No, Whatr, 2014 onwards, has the UI 200% button that fixes that issue, but it also shrinks the glyph screen in Fontographer.

    But staying with a high powered laptop and buying adobe suite when l can is certainly a good option.

    But the issue now is getting virtual xp to work. If l can pull that off, then l can access all of my software that has res, issue, I have scoured the internet for a solution to that one, but so far no luck.

    Microsoft software has said that my computer is enabled for it, and technicially is should work, but apart from seeing the file in the right spot, and it showing up in "uninstall software" no trace of any link, or no way to start it.


    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    I can understand trying to save money, but Photoshop is only $9.95 a month with a 30 day free trial on the Cloud and includes all updates. If you make money from it, it seems like a needed expense.
    Amm, no it isn't, in AU it is $29 a month and about $60 if l want illustrator thrown in as well.

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    9.95 a month, is that all, really Shane, a business expense. Beats buying it outright too.

    Being in education we can use the whole Adobe Creative Suite for about that per year, on our home devices as well as works, To have it at work is free. Office 365 is free for home and work. It may not pay top money salary wise but it has it's perks.

    PS: A true 4k display has a resolution of 3,840 pixels (horizontal) x 2,160 pixels Does yours have that?
    Yes!

    But the issue now is getting VXP to work, my laptop allows visitation, and has more than enough power, but the frickin thing won't work.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


      Amm, no it isn't, in AU it is $29 a month and about $60 if l want illustrator thrown in as well.
      I just checked this page for Photoshop in AU:
      https://creative.adobe.com/plans?pro...&store_code=au

      It's $22.95 a month on a month to month basis. But if you agree to a one year subscription it's only $11.95 a month and that's in AU dollars ($9.95 US). For someone that makes their living using it, sounds like a good investment to me to always have the latest updates and upgrades.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I just checked this page for Photoshop in AU:
        https://creative.adobe.com/plans?pro...&store_code=au

        It's $22.95 a month on a month to month basis. But if you agree to a one year subscription it's only $11.95 a month and that's in AU dollars ($9.95 US). For someone that makes their living using it, sounds like a good investment to me to always have the latest updates and upgrades.

        It might look like a good idea but when someone only needs the basic tools that the older versions include then a constantly updated app is a PITA and just keeps getting bloated with new options that will never be used.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          It might look like a good idea but when someone only needs the basic tools that the older versions include then a constantly updated app is a PITA and just keeps getting bloated with new options that will never be used.
          So much for expanding one's horizon and capabilities. :-)

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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            So much for expanding one's horizon and capabilities. :-)

            Frank


            You don't get it.

            A working system doesn't need interruptions.
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              You don't get it.

              A working system doesn't need interruptions.
              I get it completely, but attempting to justify it is questionable.

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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                I get it completely, but attempting to justify it is questionable.

                Frank


                Ok.

                Make a BLT sandwich on the kitchen table along with a bunch of random items you'll never need to make a sandwich.

                ...and GO!

                • hanger
                • candy wrapper
                • paper
                • checkbook
                • sand paper
                • credit card
                • tomato
                • stockings
                • toothbrush
                • spoon
                • clay pot
                • street lights
                • socks
                • USB drive
                • toe ring
                • lace
                • toothpaste
                • desk
                • sidewalk
                • shawl
                • shirt
                • sun glasses
                • bed
                • mouse pad
                • perfume
                • monitor
                • slipper
                • soap
                • pool stick
                • grid paper
                • lettuce
                • controller
                • radio
                • computer
                • pen
                • thread
                • sharpie
                • coasters
                • bookmark
                • screw
                • teddies
                • bacon
                • shampoo
                • conditioner
                • drill press
                • tissue box
                • mp3 player
                • bow
                • eraser
                • video games
                • chair
                • money
                • bananas
                • drawer
                • bottle
                • wallet
                • piano
                • flowers
                • white out
                • zipper
                • couch
                • rug
                • ipod
                • deodorant
                • newspaper
                • sketch pad
                • air freshener
                • doll
                • window
                • cell phone
                • purse
                • seat belt
                • apple
                • wagon
                • vase
                • hair tie
                • thermometer
                • bread
                • leg warmers
                • car
                • balloon
                • picture frame
                • boom box
                • floor
                • blouse
                • ice cube tray
                • tv
                • nail clippers
                • sticky note
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                • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Ok.
                  Thank you for being in total agreement, which is all I can get from your ludicrous attempt of comparing apples and oranges, or should I say BLT's and computers.

                  That wasn't so hard now, was it ?

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                  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                    Thank you for being in total agreement, which is all I can get from your ludicrous attempt of comparing apples and oranges, or should I say BLT's and computers.

                    That wasn't so hard now, was it ?

                    Frank


                    I take it you can't make a sandwich.

                    Focus grasshopper, focus.

                    ...or do what makes sense and don't add unnecessary items to a system that already works.
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                    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                      ...or do what makes sense and don't add unnecessary items to a system that already works.
                      Excellent concept - if only it worked. It doesn't.

                      I guess if you're content to spend your life where you already are - anything considered an advancement would be unnecessary, though. Pathetically sad.

                      All aboard the slow train to nowhere.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              You don't get it.

              A working system doesn't need interruptions.
              Ummmm...Shane's system isn't working, hence this thread. What do you suggest to fix his problem since you've eliminated a subscription to Photoshop?


              ...Not to mention "working" doesn't mean "optimal" and "interruptions" doesn't mean "upgrades".
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Ummmm...Shane's system isn't working, hence this thread. What do you suggest to fix his problem since you've eliminated a subscription to Photoshop?


                ...Not to mention "working" doesn't mean "optimal" and "interruptions" doesn't mean "upgrades".
                I wouldn't take that post seriously. More than likely he just wanted to attempt to refute anything I said, even when I'm totally correct, which is generally - always. There's a lot of that going around. :-) Some folks see it as a moral imperative.

                I see it as a losing battle, but I never tell people how to spend their precious time, especially when it concerns needlessly battling their computer. I learned long ago how silly that is. Some folks haven't learned it and never will.

                Let them suffer. They obviously enjoy it and if nothing else, it builds character.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          It might look like a good idea but when someone only needs the basic tools that the older versions include then a constantly updated app is a PITA and just keeps getting bloated with new options that will never be used.
          Updates are only part of the equation. Cashflow is the other. And we can't assume that updated/new features will never be used or be beneficial or the OS won't update, causing a need to update Photoshop.

          I use Microsoft Cloud, mostly for PowerPoint, and pay $7 monthly and I like the updates and upgrades.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        For someone that makes their living using it, sounds like a good investment to me to always have the latest updates and upgrades.
        Not only that, but the cost is a legitimate tax deduction as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      "No Dan the supplier, installed it for me, and it is Windows 7 Pro. w7pro also allows the touch screen thing, so it doesn't seem to have any incompatibility issues."

      Just get windows 10, upgrade 7 to it and rent adobe photoshop for 9.95 per month and be done with it.
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    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    I just checked this page for Photoshop in AU:
    https://creative.adobe.com/plans?pro...&store_code=au

    It's $22.95 a month on a month to month basis. But if you agree to a one year subscription it's only $11.95 a month and that's in AU dollars ($9.95 US). For someone that makes their living using it, sounds like a good investment to me to always have the latest updates and upgrades.
    Ok, but unfortunately this is for US residents, etc, not AU.

    https://creative.adobe.com/plans?sdi...161218100746:s

    You will probably find if you click on the link above that no prices are shown.

    In AU, it is $23 a month for Photoshop, and about $60 for photoshop and illustrator.

    Or almost $700 a year for both. So, l am giving them a new high end laptop every 2 years. I know if l get a business going but still.

    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    It might look like a good idea but when someone only needs the basic tools that the older versions include then a constantly updated app is a PITA and just keeps getting bloated with new options that will never be used.
    Yep, already tried the cloud with cs2, and cs3, (one week free trial) cs2 is ok, but the contrast button was replaced with some crappy alternative, it had a new monkey tool, (basically distorts an image, pretty useless) and it did have the 3D one, and editing cabilities, (both of those needed W10 to work).

    So more of a last resort than an option.

    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    Updates are only part of the equation. Cashflow is the other. And we can't assume that updated/new features will never be used or be beneficial or the OS won't update, causing a need to update Photoshop.

    I use Microsoft Cloud, mostly for PowerPoint, and pay $7 monthly and I like the updates and upgrades.
    As well as the cloud one probably still has the tini tab issue; spoke to an expert today about all of this, and he said, that even if l could install VXP it would still have the tini tab issue with cs2, etc. grrrr!

    But l could create a second account on my new one, and change the res for that, so cs2, illus, and FG would all work.

    Or if l manage to get VXP on this, one, (there is a software one as well) l could effectively change the res for it, and grab cs2 and put it on the w7 one.

    I will mess about with res, now, although returning this while l can before Xmas so l am not stuck with it, is also another option.

    But since FG Fontographer also has the issue, (the glyph window was a nightmare on a 1355x768, even worse now) and that has no cloud version, and no patches on the horizion, (already gone to their forum and asked) it isn't as easy as just going for the cloud option.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      it isn't as easy as just going for the cloud option.
      I believe that the Borg said it best - "Resistance is futile." That said, some folks just enjoy beating a dead horse.

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    Some people just like to be miserable and find problems at every corner.
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Some people just like to be miserable and find problems at every corner.
      Yes - and I am thrilled to have divorced her!

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Shane, it's time to accept your fate. Either shell out for the new software or bite the bullet and sign up for cloud service. Time waits for no man.

    If your business isn't viable enough to support these truly minimal expenses, you simply don't have a viable business.

    Now have some chocolate cake, pet a fluffy bunny, read a couple of your cat posters for encouragement, and get back to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    some bloke a similar problem hope this helps

    Jason

    My lap top is not working its a Toshiba
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Me thinks Tag has given up on this thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    I believe that the Borg said it best - "Resistance is futile." That said, some folks just enjoy beating a dead horse.

    Frank
    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    Some people just like to be miserable and find problems at every corner.

    And some people want to make the best choice.

    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

    Shane, it's time to accept your fate. Either shell out for the new software or bite the bullet and sign up for cloud service. Time waits for no man.

    If your business isn't viable enough to support these truly minimal expenses, you simply don't have a viable business.

    Now have some chocolate cake, pet a fluffy bunny, read a couple of your cat posters for encouragement, and get back to work.

    No, my business should be viable enough, but it hasn't happened yet. Hopefully it will be soon, but it could take a few more months. It depends on whether l am 99 or 100% competent in my business or not?


    In the meantime, my slow, occasionally freezing up, and running out of storage, Laptop will have to do



    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    "No Dan the supplier, installed it for me, and it is Windows 7 Pro. w7pro also allows the touch screen thing, so it doesn't seem to have any incompatibility issues."

    Just get windows 10, upgrade 7 to it and rent adobe photoshop for 9.95 per month and be done with it.

    No, if l get w10, then it is inevitable that it will cripple Adobe suite 2005, so w10 eventhough a good OS, isn't viable for my needs.


    And in Au, the cloud option, that may still have the tini tab issue, is $23 a month, or $60 for cs2 and illustrator.


    Besides w7 Pro, is pretty impressive overall, so l will stay with that one if possible.



    Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

    Me thinks Tag has given up on this thread!

    Given up no, just busy.


    After a lot of thinking, l thought that the only option was to get VXP to work, or install the one that uses the free software, then scale up cs2 and illust, so it isn't tini, but unfortunately that also shrinks the working space and makes the top dropdown tabs at Playschool scales.


    So l would have adobe suite, as a mixture of large and at scale tabs, with a smaller work area on the Virtual XP area, and Fontographer, with smaller glyph displays.


    Unless l create a second account, scale that up and then have FG at a large scale, and try to change the registry and hope that fixes the Adobe Suite one, so it fixes the scale issue. Eventhough creating's two accounts and different scales doesn't have bleeding issues, or the scale of one would affect the other. Or dogs breakfast all of the desktop icons, aaaaarrrggg!


    So put up with FG, being too small, and Adobe suite too small or being a mess if l scaled up, for $1500.


    Screw that!




    So yeah, today l cleaned the laptop to an inch of its life and returned it!




    A high res, laptop shouldn't mean that it dogs breakfasts your expensive software, (FG cost me $650, no updates or patches, and it is current) or older ones.


    I spotted a similar Toshiba laptop online in AU, that just came in, which does have 1366x768 Only. So no more BS scaling issues, hopefully this guy will give me my refund quickly enough to grab the other one before Xmas?


    Time will tell.




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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Still using 12 year old software!!! Hands washed

    A graphic artist wanting to use 1366x768 in 2016/17..Sheez

    Where did the big Dick find such a thing.

    Just flyers is it?
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Still using 12 year old software!!! Hands washed
      That's some confession. We can open a GoFundMe account for him. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Still using 12 year old software!!! Hands washed

    A graphic artist wanting to use 1366x768 in 2016/17..Sheez

    Where did the big Dick find such a thing.

    Just flyers is it?

    Ok, know, but seriously FG needs a magnifying glass to see some of the punctuation on it, and photoshop and illustrator, also needs one, or it is unusable.


    All versions of adobe suite, have this issue, except ones done after 2014, that have the scaling option.


    High res, is nice, but it also blurs all of the text in web browsing, and it also blorrs some graphics and tabs here and there.


    I really don't think that it will make any difference to my work, most laptops are 1355x768.


    And Fontgrapher is a key part of my business, as is cs2, so they both need to work.


    All high res, seems to do is blurs stuff, or takes elements that had jagged edges, and puts in more gray or softer pixels inbetween.


    Which sounds good in practice, (certainly works for computer animation) but for what l am using it for, (fonts and presentation of said fonts) doesn't really matter.





    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    That's some confession. We can open a GoFundMe account for you. :-)

    Frank
    Yes, l only need $2,500!


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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    And all of that is just another reason that professional graphic designers work on 27"+ screens, not laptops.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      And all of that is just another reason that professional graphic designers work on 27"+ screens, not laptops.
      But they just wont fit in coffee shops.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        But they just wont fit in coffee shops.
        Well, at some point you have to decide if you are going to be serious about your business or not.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Well, at some point you have to decide if you are going to be serious about your business or not.
          Obviously he has decided and went with, 'or not.'

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Another option is to maybe hook up a monitor to your laptop. I used to run my old laptop this way, can it still be done?
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Another option is to maybe hook up a monitor to your laptop. I used to run my old laptop this way, can it still be done?
      Absolutey!

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Another option is to maybe hook up a monitor to your laptop. I used to run my old laptop this way, can it still be done?
      Most laptops I have seen lately are still shipping with HDMI ports. Who knows with this laptop in question, but yeah probably.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    Another option is to maybe hook up a monitor to your laptop. I used to run my old laptop this way, can it still be done?

    Pretty hard to lug that thing down to the shopping centre, when it is too hot to work at home?

    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    Well, at some point you have to decide if you are going to be serious about your business or not.
    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    Obviously he has decided and went with, 'or not.'

    Frank

    Serious! At 4k resolution, you get less jagged edges in the work area with cs2, and nicer looking images in preview, that is about it.


    But working in a stinking hot house, at this time of the year, since my screen res, makes everything too small, (to go somewhere cool) unless l have a large moniter in front of me, seems silly to say the least.


    I know that the purists might cringe, but seriously what does a high res, screen offer.


    In CS2 l can scale in to every pixel, same with FG, so no advantages there.


    It all seems to boil down to a nicer, richer looking final image, and less jagged edges to deal with when working.



    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    Most laptops I have seen lately are still shipping with HDMI ports. Who knows with this laptop in question, but yeah probably.
    Yep, it had everything, well almost!


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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Pretty hard to lug that thing down to the shopping centre, when it is too hot to work at home?






      Serious! At 4k resolution, you get less jagged edges in the work area with cs2, and nicer looking images in preview, that is about it.


      But working in a stinking hot house, at this time of the year, since my screen res, makes everything too small, (to go somewhere cool) unless l have a large moniter in front of me, seems silly to say the least.


      I know that the purists might cringe, but seriously what does a high res, screen offer.


      In CS2 l can scale in to every pixel, same with FG, so no advantages there.


      It all seems to boil down to a nicer, richer looking final image, and less jagged edges to deal with when working.





      Yep, it had everything, well almost!


      Unbelievable that you have no A/C in a country that gets so hot. In Texas we could not function without it. The money you are spending on coffee and cakes in the coffee shops should be put towards getting it.

      There is a device that blows air and it either heats it up like a conventional heater or cools it down because you put ice packs (cubes) in it and sends out cold air. When our A/C broke down we purchased one of these and it was a life saver, cooled a considerably large area too. Alternatively their are single window A/C units for individual rooms.

      I expect you work in coffee shops to pick up women too, they see your creations on-screen and say oooohhh what a talented sensitive man,

      Claude tried this but when they peered over his shoulder to see he was just playing Solitaire they left in a hurry.

      PS: Have you tried this, a possible fix for your issue.. Works with CS6 but may work with CS2. Still got your high res laptop? Oh well. Watch it on you-tube, more info underneath video

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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Claude tried this but when they peered over his shoulder to see he was just playing Solitaire they left in a hurry.
        He was actually watching one of his bubblewrap fetish videos. What he was doing as he was watching it could be described as "solitaire" though.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      But working in a stinking hot house, at this time of the year, since my screen res, makes everything too small, (to go somewhere cool) unless l have a large moniter in front of me, seems silly to say the least.

      So get a desktop with a real monitor and take the money you saved and buy a window AC unit.

      Something like this should work fine. https://www.amazon.com/Frigidaire-FF...ords=window+ac
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        So get a desktop with a real monitor and take the money you saved and buy a window AC unit.

        Something like this should work fine. https://www.amazon.com/Frigidaire-FF...ords=window+ac
        That is interesting, l will have to see if they have a small one for the car?


        But the ongoing costs of up to $1.50 an hour is also something l have to take into account.


        Go to the shopping ctr, and library for 6 hours, or this, ummm, probably costs the same, as going down there, buying lunch, etc.


        Although l still like the idea of it being portable.


        Interesting comeback today, my seller suggested that windows 10 PRO addresses the scaling issue with CS2, and maybe FG, but unfortunately the forced updates still remain, and he would send it over on USB for free.


        I declined since, eventhough w10 pro updates can be tricked into not updating to a point it is ineviatable that it would.


        W10 Home, you have to accept all security updates.


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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          That is interesting, l will have to see if they have a small one for the car?


          But the ongoing costs of up to $1.50 an hour is also something l have to take into account.
          What do you mean for the car? This isn't something you lug around. You stick it in your window, plug it in, and turn it on.

          And $1.50 per hour? Where did you pull that number from.


          I'm tired of this. It is clear what the problem is. You like telling people you work online more than you actually like or care about working online. Clearly it is a status symbol thing to you and not something you are serious about. That is why you need the laptop. So you can look cool hanging out at the coffee shop "working".

          That and you just love searching for problems and "what-ifs".

          Good luck. You are going to need it.
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            And $1.50 per hour? Where did you pull that number from. .
            From the same place where he gets his NASA information.

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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              From the same place where he gets his NASA information.

              Frank
              The planet Hisanus?
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                The planet Hisanus?
                Be happy it's not Youranus.

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        All of this anguish because you refuse to upgrade your decade old software.

        True, spend $2,500k on updating, and put it on a slow, mem,,...storage limited laptop


        Or spend around a thousand on a fast laptop with storage to spare, and hang onto the old version.


        There is actually very little in incompatibility for cs2, l have tried it on w10, no probs, and w7 pro, still no probs, (apart from the screen scale issue).


        The next one will have w7 Pro as l was impressed with how much better it is over w7 home.

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        If he has CS2 he probably already payed for the software.

        I wouldn't just keep paying for the same software, well, the same tools plus unwanted tools.

        Keep in mind the old software was full price, plus the new software is pay as you go. A whole lot of paying for something already owned.
        True, l am not crazy about having to spend about $700 a year, on Adobe Suite, on the cloud, when l already have it.


        Especially when the cloud version, isn't as good as the original cs2 one.


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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Especially when the cloud version, isn't as good as the original cs2 one.
          Yeah, right. No improvements in the software in the past decade. lol Don't compare the software to your skills, which if you don't need increased capabilities in your software, obviously haven't improved at all.

          Just what I want. To hire a designer that's ten years behind the times. And you wonder why you can't afford the laptop of your choice. You have a pauper's mentality.

          Keep digging!

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Yeah, right. No improvements in the software in the past decade. lol Don't compare the software to your skills, which if you don't need increased capabilities in your software, obviously haven't improved at all.

        Just what I want. To hire a designer that's ten years behind the times. And you wonder why you can't afford the laptop of your choice. You have a pauper's mentality.

        Keep digging!

        Frank
        Gee, we are snarly today,....increased cabilities, lol, sure l will admit that the cloud version of cs2 is faster, buy beyond that unless l want to edit videos or 3D stuff, pretty useless.

        Sure paupers mentality, maybe l should just max out the credit card and spend 5k on an Apple laptop, then live in the knowledge that the 3.5k l p****d away could have been used to pay a small army of Phillipino's to work for me.

        Can't afford, as long as l get my refund, l can afford the one l wan't.


        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        Shane, I no longer even understand your problem.

        What is the current, up-to-the-minute heart of the matter?
        No, real problem now, apart from waiting for my refund to come in so l can get what l want, while it is still in stock.


        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        What do you mean for the car? This isn't something you lug around. You stick it in your window, plug it in, and turn it on.

        And $1.50 per hour? Where did you pull that number from.


        I'm tired of this. It is clear what the problem is. You like telling people you work online more than you actually like or care about working online. Clearly it is a status symbol thing to you and not something you are serious about. That is why you need the laptop. So you can look cool hanging out at the coffee shop "working".

        That and you just love searching for problems and "what-ifs".

        Good luck. You are going to need it.
        $1.50 per hour is the highest rate we pay in Victoria, Au, for aircon, well from next year thanks to gov, stupidity, it will probably be 1.75 and hour.

        Serious, lol, sure l have worked my guts out for 8 years online for the fun of it!

        And l need a laptop so l can work somewhere cool during a hot day, and so forth.

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        There's a number of Photoshop assets that won't work with older versions and need newer versions of Photoshop, such as actions, addons, effects, plugins, etc. The claim that there's no added value in versions newer than CS2 is bogus.

        CS2 is probably fine for the needs of most people, but not for those making a living as graphic designers.

        True, but designers needing actions, etc, it depends.


        I didn't need any of that for flyers, and l don't need it for font presentations.


        I have tried the updated version of CS2 on the cloud, and it is faster, but that is about it. Also tried cs3, but virtually the same.


        Apart from speed, there isn't much of a difference between cs5 and cs2, unless you are seriously into logo's, (cs5 allows cool affects with displaying logos, with advanced matt options).


        And some other features, that give a cheap and nasty way to do some work. I have researched it.




        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        It isn't just features I'm talking about, it's the ability to import and use pre-created media, such as those available on sites like www.GraphicRiver.net and www.deviantart.com.
        No Kurt, most flyers, etc done in cs5 will work in cs2, but there have been occasions when it refuses, (I have a 1 year membership with a flyer company).


        And rare occasions when l really need something that will not open, so l usually ask a friend in GR, with cs5 for a favour.


        That or Fiverr.





        PS the Photoshop alternative's, are only for Apple or are restrictive, or as in the case of GIMP, a poor replacement.
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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    Pretty hard to lug that thing down to the shopping centre, when it is too hot to work at home?
    Then you're screwed. There's nothing you can do and you may as well quit now and save yourself time and money and don't need to come up with any more excuses.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    Then you're screwed. There's nothing you can do and you may as well quit now and save yourself time and money and don't need to come up with any more excuses.

    No, Kurt, l have found one in AU, that has the correct screen res, and is virtually the same as the one l sent back.


    Once l get the money back, and some questions answered by the other mob, then l can act.

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Unbelievable that you have no A/C in a country that gets so hot. In Texas we could not function without it. The money you are spending on coffee and cakes in the coffee shops should be put towards getting it.

    There is a device that blows air and it either heats it up like a conventional heater or cools it down because you put ice packs (cubes) in it and sends out cold air. When our A/C broke down we purchased one of these and it was a life saver, cooled a considerably large area too. Alternatively their are single window A/C units for individual rooms.

    I expect you work in coffee shops to pick up women too, they see your creations on-screen and say oooohhh what a talented sensitive man,

    Claude tried this but when they peered over his shoulder to see he was just playing Solitaire they left in a hurry.

    PS: Have you tried this, a possible fix for your issue.. Works with CS6 but may work with CS2. Still got your high res laptop? Oh well. Watch it on you-tube, more info underneath video

    How To Make Adobe Software Display Larger On High Resolution Monitors - YouTube

    No, no air con, in the room l work, in, but l have gas heating, but it is relatively easy to go down to the shops.


    Pick up women, hmmm.


    And thanks for the video, but l found that one a while ago, and l won't mess with the registry if l plan to return it. Besides it doesn't fix FG, so...



    Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

    He was actually watching one of his bubblewrap fetish videos. What he was doing as he was watching it could be described as "solitaire" though.
    True, he is barred from the Casino's!
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    All of this anguish because you refuse to upgrade your decade old software.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      All of this anguish because you refuse to upgrade your decade old software.


      If he has CS2 he probably already payed for the software.

      I wouldn't just keep paying for the same software, well, the same tools plus unwanted tools.

      Keep in mind the old software was full price, plus the new software is pay as you go. A whole lot of paying for something already owned.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        If he has CS2 he probably already payed for the software.

        I wouldn't just keep paying for the same software, well, the same tools plus unwanted tools.

        Keep in mind the old software was full price, plus the new software is pay as you go. A whole lot of paying for something already owned.
        Never upgraded anything that is 12 years old to something that is faster, slicker and has more features then? Never bought a new car because your old one still got you from A to B, never bought a larger tv with a better picture?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Shane, I no longer even understand your problem.

    What is the current, up-to-the-minute heart of the matter?
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    There's a number of Photoshop assets that won't work with older versions and need newer versions of Photoshop, such as actions, addons, effects, plugins, etc. The claim that there's no added value in versions newer than CS2 is bogus.

    CS2 is probably fine for the needs of most people, but not for those making a living as graphic designers.
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    There you have it, folks. Nothing more to see here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      There you have it, folks. Nothing more to see here.
      I wonder if he'll ever think to just raise his prices to cover the cost of new software (that works), and move forward. Or, just get one or a few extra clients per month to cover the cost.

      Shane, you belong to two (that I know of), marketing forums with tons of knowledgeable people that would be willing to help you expand your business. You've had a few threads with so much great advice and all you can think of is "I can't".

      My husband P.M.d you offering you a minor graphics job and you REFUSED!

      While I can certainly appreciate your budget, and I mean that sincerely, you really do have more options than you're willing to consider. I hope you learn to stop getting in your own way.

      You have talent Shane, but being stubborn, isn't one of the things that you should hang on to.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

        I wonder if he'll ever think to just raise his prices to cover the cost of new software (that works), and move forward. Or, just get one or a few extra clients per month to cover the cost.

        Shane, you belong to two (that I know of), marketing forums with tons of knowledgeable people that would be willing to help you expand your business. You've had a few threads with so much great advice and all you can think of is "I can't".

        My husband P.M.d you offering you a minor graphics job and you REFUSED!

        While I can certainly appreciate your budget, and I mean that sincerely, you really do have more options than you're willing to consider. I hope you learn to stop getting in your own way.

        You have talent Shane, but being stubborn, isn't one of the things that you should hang on to.

        And l appreciate your husbands offer, l think that it was for designing a logo, (if l remember correctly).

        I have had other offers here, and refused those as well, why, because freelancing is a limited income source.


        I did try freelancing on Fiverr, but clients asked too much and the money was poor, probably better now with no ceiling on how much l could ask.


        True it was fun, and l could have asked more, (which l did occasionally) but there is no leverage involved.


        Doing fonts, has tremendous leverage, as long as l can get my foot in their door. And making up to 10k a month, with the option of taking a 1 or 2 week holiday while the money pours in, beats having to constantly work for it.


        Sure l have to keep doing fonts, to maintain it, but outsourcing is another option.




        I appreciate others advice, but spending over 2k, on software for a slow, laptop, isn't a good idea. A bit like buying new exhausts for a car, on the verge of suffering a major breakdown.


        The ideal laptop is available in AU, but l have to ditch the other one first, and because of Au, Post stuffup, l will probably have to pick up the original one tomorrow and send it off again.


        Well, get a refund for sending it interstate and back to me again, (l checked with the supplier, and the address was correct).


        Either way l will have to wait tile late next week when Au Post is open for business again, get a refund for the first one, and grab the second before they sell out.


        Then set that one up, and then get back to work.




        Thanks for the talent remark, and you have a great new year, and Christmas.


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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          I have had other offers here, and refused those as well, why, because freelancing is a limited income source.
          And we all know that 'found money' that just drops in your lap should always be turned down.

          Doing fonts, has tremendous leverage, as long as l can get my foot in their door. And making up to 10k a month, with the option of taking a 1 or 2 week holiday while the money pours in, beats having to constantly work for it.
          You haven't made, let alone sold, a single font. I can buy a package of 1000 great fonts for $10. Let us know when the money starts rolling in.

          People say I shouldn't call you delusional. I defy them to find a word that better fits you.

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