WF is now a paid forum..Yayyyy!! [Mod note: only the war room is paid]

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I had been on a long vacation. Did not bother to check the forum. But got back and found it was paid.

What a tremendous relief.

I remember the times when there were various scamsters..posting their offers and then coming back in as other users and UPPING their own offers.

Now where will these scamsters go?

Sure, there will be quite a number of them around, using all their old accounts and scamming about how good their offers are one such is the notorious web hosting company, who I complained about and the next moment, they came in with all their fake accounts and started spamming the thread in which I had called them a fake.

These guys are based in India but they claim to be based in USA but all of them who answer tickets only have Indian names. How come not one of them has a name that is USA based?

Also, their support is rude and always late.

The name of this firm?
See my other threads if you wish to know.

But, how can the WF prevent these scamsters with old accounts that are FREE ONES, from posting all their scams?

My suggestion?

Give all the free account holders a native period to update the accounts.
Else, discard them. Especially discard the accounts with 500 and lesser posts..these are definitely not genuine.
This will make the WF a much better place.

My 2 bits.

Waiting for the scamsters to join in and pitch their SCAMMY BITS to this!
Gives me a good laugh.
#forumyayyyy #paid
  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    You forgot one thing.

    Warrior Forum is monetized through diverse fees, for WSOs and upgrades.

    The purpose of the forum is not to keep the quality as high as possible. The purpose of the forum is to generate revenue.

    Plus, most people simply don't have time to post 500 times. In all honesty, there aren't enough quality interactions for such a volume.

    What's funny about this forum is that most people have an agenda.

    Those who are self-employed are directly or indirectly selling their services. Those who are relatively new to this are trying to get traffic to their signature.

    But as long as this drives sales, who cares? WF is not an non-profit and I'm fine with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
      Originally Posted by RogozRazvan View Post

      What's funny about this forum is that most people have an agenda.

      Those who are self-employed are directly or indirectly selling their services. Those who are relatively new to this are trying to get traffic to their signature.
      I would assert almost everyone here has an agenda....

      Some are selling directly or indirectly.... Some are here for the signature traffic... Others are here for free advice...

      The small group that doesn't have an agenda are those who are reading and posting just to pass the time away. Based on my experience, this is a miniscule percentage.

      On a side note, I get a hearty laugh when people assert Warrior Forum is a "community of people helping people" or when people get offended by "being sold to" on a Marketing forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

    I had been on a long vacation. Did not bother to check the forum. But got back and found it was paid.
    Where did you see this? When I recommended it 3 days ago I was informed that they absolutely refuse to make it a paid forum, unless I read the PM incorrectly.

    Please advise.

    Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    WF was a paid forum for a short time right before Freelancer bought the site. New signups dropped like a brick but it kept out the junk profiles.

    I have no idea what OP is talking about. Viewing the signup page from a clean browser and there's nothing about a payed forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    If this forum went full pay to join, the forum would die.

    The only reason this forum even stays alive is because of the influx of new people everyday. It's true that probably 75% of those new people don't add much to the forum. The other 25% keep this place afloat.

    If this forum went the paid route. There would be a huge drop in new users. The growth of the forum would be on a steady decline and the only reason this forum makes money in the first place is from all the "gurus" who post WSOs to make money off these new people.

    It would be the final nail in the coffin for this place.

    Some people would like to think this place would be better off. And there's a good chance there would be a 'golden' period for a couple of months where the crap posting stops, but slowly but surely this place would die out. There are better forums out there that offer more value if you want to pay to use a forum.

    This place is the biggest internet marketing forum for a reason and in order to stay that big you have to deal with the bad that comes with it.

    So from a business perspective it doesn't make much sense to close this place off behind a paywall. They do just fine making money from the ads and WSOs that get posted everyday.
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

      If this forum went full pay to join, the forum would die.
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      This is absolutely true.

      Also, Google's recent updates haven't been kind to forums IN GENERAL.

      Whether we're talking about WaFo, DP, WiFi, and others, there's been a downward trend in organic search traffic.

      The only ones growing are BH sites and I suspect most of the search volume with those are related to downloading freebies and 'cracked' or 'nulled' software.

      With that said, there's really no other alternative.

      Most of the 'improved version of WF" forums are dead.

      There are FB groups but people don't really read posts there.

      People just post their ads and leave. It's like trying to sell ice to Eskimos.

      The Skype groups are, likewise, a joke.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Charging $5 would keep out the riff-raff. If this site isn't worth at least $5 to you - then why would you be here.

    Additionally, it should only be for new people.

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    • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Charging $5 would keep out the riff-raff. If this site isn't worth at least $5 to you - then why would you be here.

      Additionally, it should only be for new people.

      Frank

      That's the problem though.

      "it should only be for new people".

      Putting hurdle in front of new people in an already declining website is going to be a disaster.

      It's just going to hasten the death of this place.

      And where do you start charging these new people? Are they allowed to read the thread but they have to pay to post on it?

      If that's the case it's even worse. because you're getting visitors to your website, but you can't even capture most of them because they would rather read the site instead of signing up (the warriorforum also sends out emails to their users with offers. they will be losing a lot more than $5 if their signup rates drop).

      I won't get into the business reasons as to why charging money to post on this forum would be a stupid idea (they tried it before, it didn't work).

      The only real way to get this forum on track is to step up moderating and find a way to entice people to start adding value to this forum and turn it back into a place people want to discuss business. Not a place the wolves use to sell crap to the sheep who come here.

      I don't know if you noticed, but most of the good posters who provided value here moved on to greener pastures and the only 'old timers' who stuck around are the people who treat this place like some kind of local community center where they ramble like old people and "the golden days"... they refuse to move on because they built up some kind of "reputation" here.

      That's really the only reason this place hasn't become a spam filled, terribly written english filled forum like the digital point forum has become.

      So in the end... this place probably can't be saved. It's most likely a sinking ship and there isn't much that can be done about it. Either go down with the ship or move on to another one.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

        That's the problem though.

        "it should only be for new people".

        Putting hurdle in front of new people in an already declining website is going to be a disaster.

        It's just going to hasten the death of this place.

        And where do you start charging these new people? Are they allowed to read the thread but they have to pay to post on it?

        If that's the case it's even worse. because you're getting visitors to your website, but you can't even capture most of them because they would rather read the site instead of signing up (the warriorforum also sends out emails to their users with offers. they will be losing a lot more than $5 if their signup rates drop).

        I won't get into the business reasons as to why charging money to post on this forum would be a stupid idea (they tried it before, it didn't work).

        The only real way to get this forum on track is to step up moderating and find a way to entice people to start adding value to this forum and turn it back into a place people want to discuss business. Not a place the wolves use to sell crap to the sheep who come here.

        I don't know if you noticed, but most of the good posters who provided value here moved on to greener pastures and the only 'old timers' who stuck around are the people who treat this place like some kind of local community center where they ramble like old people and "the golden days"... they refuse to move on because they built up some kind of "reputation" here.

        That's really the only reason this place hasn't become a spam filled, terribly written english filled forum like the digital point forum has become.

        So in the end... this place probably can't be saved. It's most likely a sinking ship and there isn't much that can be done about it. Either go down with the ship or move on to another one.





        They wouldn't lose anything except junk profiles.

        Here's what happens, people use automated software to create 10s/100s of bogus forum profiles because the profiles are free.

        Charge one cent and you remove the bots... but then you would have to eat the transaction cost so bump the price up to cover that expense.

        Real people have $1, $5, whatever... to buy a one time forum profile. Go look at the War Room, plenty of folks payed for that.

        Bot profiles will never buy anything.
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        • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          They wouldn't lose anything except junk profiles.

          Here's what happens, people use automated software to create 10s/100s of bogus forum profiles because the profiles are free.

          Charge one cent and you remove the bots... but then you would have to eat the transaction cost so bump the price up to cover that expense.

          Real people have $1, $5, whatever... to buy a one time forum profile. Go look at the War Room, plenty of folks payed for that.

          Bot profiles will never buy anything.

          I haven't seen a lot of problems with bots on here.

          If they do have a lot of problems with bots that can be fixed with good captcha software.

          The problems I do see are people who come on here to post a couple times and spam a link in their signature.

          That's where better moderating can come in. Or if you want to you can make the signature section pay to use.

          Nothing will ever truly eliminate the problem of people spamming or abusing the system. and making this place pay to join would potentially be pushing away more good people.

          And it doesn't matter if it's only 1 cent or $5 or $50.

          If the person is new the likely hood of them coming across this website and hitting a paywall is more likely to push them away then get them to join and contribute. They would have to understand the value they are getting for what they pay.

          Truth is most new people find this place from google looking up questions about something in internet marketing.

          How would you like it if you searched for something in google, came across a website talking about the solution and you wanted to contribute to the discussion but you had to pay $5 to join it?

          You would probably leave and look elsewhere.

          There's a reason 99% of user content websites don't charge money to get people to signup to their website... because its a losing proposition. The value is in the users themselves. and that's especially true for forums where your entire website is valued around how many members you have and how much content they contribute.

          Putting up a pay wall DOESN'T WORK.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

            I haven't seen a lot of problems with bots on here.
            Where have you been?

            Here's a few... I got tired of reporting them.

            Bogus Forum Profiles
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            • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Where have you been?
              Oh I dunno... not living my life on a forum maybe.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

                Oh I dunno... not living my life on a forum maybe.
                Maybe you should before acting like bots aren't a problem.
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Where have you been?

              Here's a few... I got tired of reporting them.

              Bogus Forum Profiles
              It's funny, isn't it?

              If I remember right, there was a whole WSO frenzy over buying lists of forums and other sites where people could set up spam profiles, software to make it quick and easy, etc. And a whole lot of people saying there was no harm done because the phony profiles made the forum look more successful.

              It took a long time to get rid of that garbage.

              Now the chickens are coming home to roost...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    I'd support the forum going paid..

    The direction the new guys in charge are going right now is pretty good.. looks like they're genuinely trying to bring it back to being a reputable forum.

    Charging an entry fee might help achieve that, even if membership drops.
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    • Profile picture of the author pauloadaoag
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      Michael Meaney Thanks for the compliments. We really are trying to bring the quality of discourse up in the forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Michael Meaney View Post

      I'd support the forum going paid..

      The direction the new guys in charge are going right now is pretty good.. looks like they're genuinely trying to bring it back to being a reputable forum.

      Charging an entry fee might help achieve that, even if membership drops.
      Maybe they could do it like War Room years ago. $20 for 37 years or something like that.

      Possibly make it $30 if you want to be a part of War Room


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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    I tend to agree with RefuseToLose on this. I supported the charge when Allen Says introduced it before the takeover, but evidently it wasn't successful as it didn't last too long. Of course, it could be that Allen changed his mind in order to boost sign-ups before the sale.

    In any case, I believe the mods should take care of business at the new member stage, and if the forum wants to increase revenue, it could start with a combination of a radical revamping of the War Room and charging a more realistic (lower) rate to join. I don't know what the take-up is for War Room membership, but I get the impression it's much lower than it used to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I still don't see any payment requirement - where did you see a "paid forum"?
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  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    Well what you linked in your edited post could be bots or it could be cheap indian workers overseas getting paid to spam.

    If it's bots, then better captcha could help towards that.

    But I have a feeling those aren't bots.

    They are looking for skype IDs.

    My guess is they get peoples skypes, add them, send them a link and infect their PCs with something.

    Could be something bots could do, but that would be a pretty advanced bot. Would most likely be cheaper just to pay a whole team of spammers over in india to do it for you for $10 a day.

    Either way, better moderating is the best solution for both.

    The focus the owners should be taking isn't how to keep people out, but how to bring in more quality people to raise the overall quality of the forum.

    Kicking out bots and spammers isn't going to magically make this place amazing. If anything it will make this place look even more dead than it already is.

    It's a classic scapegoat reasoning.

    This forum isn't falling apart because of bots or spammers. It's falling apart because there is no quality discussion here anymore. It's the same thing everyday. I keep saying it over and over but this place is like a never ending circle of garbage in garbage out. The smart people left a long time ago once they realized they hit the learning ceiling here and moved on.

    But nobody wants to believe that. So they point fingers at spammers and bots as if cleaning that up will magically make this place amazing...

    90% of the content on this forum is written in response to those spammer / bot posts. Imagine how dead this place would be when everyone here runs out of places to "pimp their knowledge". To play devils advocate here, I think this place needs those bots and crappy threads asking the same questions over and over just to make this place look alive...
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  • Profile picture of the author vedremo
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    Could work for new members.. even just a Paypal authorisation for $0.04 would deter spam. But for genuine users - people join here as one of many IM/QA sites. Is there really compelling reason for new members to pay here vs going elsewhere & contributing to their sites for free? If it was my forum I would not do this.

    If it is beyond point of no return, membership isn't free, exceptions should be considered such as members of War Room, Voltage, Kindle, active WSO sellers, active buyers, university (?) etc. These people are already invested in the forum and additional fees are unlikely to be well received.

    Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

    The focus the owners should be taking isn't how to keep people out, but how to bring in more quality people to raise the overall quality of the forum.
    Well said - focus should be how to add value to members.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelhart
    People WILL pay for value.

    The forum is free, but the membership is already paid. Why have a 2 step payment process when if you are sick of the bs in this forum, pay to have a better experience.

    Who here has actually paid for the forum membership? Can anyone report if it actually ads value to the WF experience?
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    • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
      Originally Posted by michaelhart View Post

      People WILL pay for value.

      The forum is free, but the membership is already paid. Why have a 2 step payment process when if you are sick of the bs in this forum, pay to have a better experience.

      Who here has actually paid for the forum membership? Can anyone report if it actually ads value to the WF experience?
      Well, I've been in the War Room. I can't say that the experience is better.

      In all honesty, while a pay-wall may keep away the "How can I earn $10/day?" type of questions, I don't see the value in paying for it. Most of the bright minds left a long time ago and while there are still some amazing people here, 90% of the topics are either self-serving or not that useful to start with.

      Plus, when you see that people who have no idea about online marketing post opinions as facts, when you see the arrogance of some people (and some of them, actually, most of them are posers), when you realize that you can write a long sales letter critique or analysis and you're not even getting a "thank you", then where's the value?

      People who ask for help here don't appreciate the help and those who can provide the help don't see a reason to bother anymore.

      I remember posting a few weeks ago about how to network effectively and the only reply I've got was from a guy who tried to pitch me something. Two weeks later, he was banned.

      This forum is a democracy and in a democracy, the idiot has the same rights as the genius. Well, if you want this forum to have actual value, then it must be a meritocracy and status to be given based on experience and insight.

      On the other hand, why bother. As a business it works just fine.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by RogozRazvan View Post

        This forum is a democracy
        This forum is a business. Nothing democratic about it, nor should there be.

        That said, if everyone paid, then everyone should have a voice.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    The OP did not post again to say what page he was on when he saw a "fee".
    Has ANYONE posting in this discussion SEEN a page where a fee is charged?
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    • Profile picture of the author michaelhart
      If i am not a war room member, which i am not, then yes i can see a fee is being offered to be charged to join the war room. which i see you are a member of
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Of course - there's always been a fee for the War Room. There have often been paid courses or paid sections of the forum.

    The OP said there is now a fee to join the main forum - and I don't see that mentioned or listed anywhere. That would be a fee to be a member here - which is something the previous owner did for a while in 2013 (it was only $10 and meant to keep out the link spammers).
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    If the forum becomes paid then more people will find the motivation to produce shit that is actually useful.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    rying to bring the quality of discourse up in the forum.
    That's good - but no one has answered the question of "IS THIS NOW A PAID FORUM?" I'd definitely support it because I saw it working well a few years ago.

    The OP started the thread but never said where he saw payment required...I haven't found a page requiring payment to join. No one has answered the question definitely so the thread is pure conjecture.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I say anyone that is already a warroom member is in then put a fee on the rest. I do not mean something large. Like others have said, maybe $5.00. While this might deter the amount of members it will certainly increase the quality of discussions. No more will we see someone with one post asking for tech support for some software that has their own support system.

    Or, signature whores that ask "how do I make me monies on line" with a signature that says they will teach you how to make 5k a day.

    Maybe instead of charging to be a member they should require warroom membership to have a signature or to post links. Although, they would have to drop the price to something that is more in line with the quality there.

    just my thoughts

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      I . Like others have said, maybe $5.00. While this might deter the amount of members it will certainly increase the quality of discussions. No more will we see someone with one post asking for tech support for some software that has their own support system.
      It would be a win-win. More quality members and FL would start having a decent Buyers List which would only be a plus for them.

      Of course in some peoples' minds that may NOT be a huge Plus for the Members ( buyers list). Depends how you look at it I guess
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  • Profile picture of the author MValmont
    This forum used to be great because those with a lot of experience had an incentive to help newbies: These newbies would click on their signature and they would end up making money. This is a fair exchange of time and value and this is how it should be. Everybody wins with a system like this.

    Now the problem is that there is almost no traffic, so the WSO section is not making as much money as before....so why would the experienced guys come here and offer value? They know it won't translate into sales...so why would they do it??

    Charging money would only make this worse. The only person that would win are those with thousands of posts that post junk all day (members of the social club here, come here when they have breaks at their day job).

    I remembers years ago every time a newbie would post a question, dozens of experienced people would come up with IN DEPTH ANSWERS....and YES their goal was to make money out of this newbie ( the newbie could click on their link in their signature....BUT WHO CARES??? AT LEAST SOMEONE IS BRINGING VALUE)...

    Now when a newbie ask a question, he gets replies like:

    Use the search bottom

    Don't listen to people giving you advice here

    what a stupid question

    You've been here for two years and you haven't figured this out yet

    This forum lots its spirit.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

      This forum used to be great because those with a lot of experience had an incentive to help newbies: These newbies would click on their signature and they would end up making money. This is a fair exchange of time and value and this is how it should be. Everybody wins with a system like this.
      Only the people selling things win in that scenario, which, I might add, seems to be all that you are concerned with.

      Charging money would only make this worse
      Charging a paltry sum like $5 to keep out spammers and posers will go a long way to reduce the problem. It should be the very first thing implemented to make this place better.

      I remembers years ago every time a newbie would post a question, dozens of experienced people would come up with IN DEPTH ANSWERS....and YES their goal was to make money out of this newbie ( the newbie could click on their link in their signature....BUT WHO CARES??? AT LEAST SOMEONE IS BRINGING VALUE)...
      Unfortunately, now you have people that why you try to give them good advice they attack you because you haven't told them what they want to hear in a way they want to hear it. Screw, them. Why would anyone want to help people like that. Oh, right. To possibly SELL THEM SOMETHING!!!

      Now when a newbie ask a question, he gets replies like:

      Use the search bottom
      Which should e anyone's first option when looking for information. Why would you spend your time helping someone that won't take the simplest action to help themselves - unless of course you want to sell them something. lol

      Don't listen to people giving you advice here
      That's rarely how it's put. It's usually more along the lines of, "be careful in dealing with people that offer to help you as many of them have a hidden agenda, as in trying to sell you something." People shouldn't be warned? Why not. Might hinder your sales???

      what a stupid question
      Well, that could be stated in a gentler fashion, but it doesn't change that fact that many of the newbie questions are stupid. Would you agree that, "What is the best web hosting" is not a stupid question? Do you believe there is such a thing as "best' web hosting, or might that depend on an individuals specific requirements? See? Stupid question!

      You've been here for two years and you haven't figured this out yet
      What the hell is wrong with that rejoinder? Nothing. That's what. lol

      This forum lots its spirit.

      And many of the newbies are responsible for that. They've sucked it dry of its spirit.


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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Only the people selling things win in that scenario, which, I might add, seems to be all that you are concerned with.


        Charging a paltry sum like $5 to keep out spammers and posers will go a long way to reduce the problem. It should be the very first thing implemented to make this place better.


        Unfortunately, now you have people that why you try to give them good advice they attack you because you haven't told them what they want to hear in a way they want to hear it. Screw, them. Why would anyone want to help people like that. Oh, right. To possibly SELL THEM SOMETHING!!!


        Which should e anyone's first option when looking for information. Why would you spend your time helping someone that won't take the simplest action to help themselves - unless of course you want to sell them something. lol


        That's rarely how it's put. It's usually more along the lines of, "be careful in dealing with people that offer to help you as many of them have a hidden agenda, as in trying to sell you something." People shouldn't be warned? Why not. Might hinder your sales???


        Well, that could be stated in a gentler fashion, but it doesn't change that fact that many of the newbie questions are stupid. Would you agree that, "What is the best web hosting" is not a stupid question? Do you believe there is such a thing as "best' web hosting, or might that depend on an individuals specific requirements? See? Stupid question!


        What the hell is wrong with that rejoinder? Nothing. That's what. lol


        And many of the newbies are responsible for that. They've sucked it dry of its spirit.[/B]

        Frank
        Spot on Frank.
        Those that whine the loudest usually have their wallet in mind.
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    I've typed this multiple times before and will waste my time again...If the WF wants to increase traffic, then they should start an affiliate program for the War Room, High Voltage and Kindle private paid forums.

    It makes no sense to me that this forum, with their own affiliate platform, doesn't have an affiliate program for their own offers. If this forum wants more traffic, pay people to send it. Better yet, this will increase BUYER traffic.

    To increase value and participation, offer payments and prizes for best posts of the week and month. I wrote a plan for a previous WF "community manager" that was ignored, so I won't waste my time again.

    To help combat bots, write some simple code to VB:
    If member has less than 10 "thanks" they can't post links, rejecting any posts by members with less than 10 thanks that contain a URL. It's not perfect, but it's easy and will help.
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    Just to be absolutely clear WF is not a paid forum. I have no idea why OP thought it was... My best guess is that OP hit the War Room landing page.

    We have a few reasons for not wanting to go that way, but the single biggest is simply that we want to be the biggest and best IM forum around.

    Turning into a paid forum would help in the short term in reducing spam and low quality posting (plus it'd bump our revenue), but longer term I think we'd eventually get beaten by someone else who can solve spam and quality without charging an upfront fee.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      JWe have a few reasons for not wanting to go that way, but the single biggest is simply that we want to be the biggest and best IM forum around.
      Hard to be both and if you can only be one of the two - best is best. :-)

      Turning into a paid forum would help in the short term in reducing spam and low quality posting
      Putting you on the path to being the best if not the biggest.

      (plus it'd bump our revenue),
      Don't pocket the money. Donate to a worthy charity or find a way to return it to members, either after a probationary period or through contests and the like.

      but longer term I think we'd eventually get beaten by someone else who can solve spam and quality without charging an upfront fee.
      So - what you are saying is you think it's more likely for that to happen than for you to get things sorted?

      Stop the insanity. Charge a refundable $5 fee and eliminate most of your problems, instantly. The way you are going about it will take forever and probably fail. Your practicing 'forum masochism.'

      Anyone not willing to pay $5 to be a member of this forum as it is now, warts and all, is not someone you should want as a member - period!

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      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      ...
      We have a few reasons for not wanting to go that way, but the single biggest is simply that we want to be the biggest and best IM forum around.
      ...
      "Biggest" and "best" do not usually go hand-in-hand, in my experience.

      You make something the 'best', eventually it may grow into the biggest, just as the WF did.

      In the attempt to make the WF even bigger, the 'best' was ignored or even thrown out with the bathwater.

      Go back to trying to make the WF the best - accomplish that, and becoming the biggest won't be far behind.

      IMHO, of course.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      we want to be the biggest and best IM forum around.
      I think that's going to take a lot more work than what's being
      put in at the moment.
      It's beginning to look like the largest childrens playground online.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        I think that's going to take a lot more work than what's being
        put in at the moment.
        It's beginning to look like the largest childrens playground online.
        As long as it's the largest, as that seems to be the primary marketing objective. Being the best probably ranks second, from a business valuation standpoint.

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          Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

          If all the posters with thousands of posts were actually FRIENDLY towards the newbie and answered their questions instead of being rude, this forum would had WAY MORE TRAFFIC.
          There's a fine line between being friendly and helpful, and being an enabler.

          Who is being helped by answering basic questions over and over, acting as the Universal Support and Customer Service site for every product and service sold, or patting every whiner on the head and telling them they're on the right path?

          Maybe some of the long term members are a bit short on tact, but for the most part good questions get good answers.

          How is any newbie going to learn to stand on their own two feet and feed themselves if they're constantly spoon fed?
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          • Profile picture of the author MValmont
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            There's a fine line between being friendly and helpful, and being an enabler.

            Who is being helped by answering basic questions over and over, acting as the Universal Support and Customer Service site for every product and service sold, or patting every whiner on the head and telling them they're on the right path?

            Maybe some of the long term members are a bit short on tact, but for the most part good questions get good answers.

            How is any newbie going to learn to stand on their own two feet and feed themselves if they're constantly spoon fed?

            Again,

            Only the posters with 2000+ posts are mad about this...Only the posters with 2000+ posts e even NOTICE these things.

            If it bothers you that much, it MEANS YOU SPEND TOO MUCH TIME HERE.

            That's what I'm talking about when I talk about the Social Club.

            I learned 90% of what I know about IM because people answer my questions when I started new threads. I've been lucky enough that rude posters, members of that social club, didn't tell me to *** off. Probably I would have never came back here. This is why this forum used to be amazing, and now it is average at best.

            PS: The guy said it. They tried the paid model and it doesn't work.

            This forum is the place where newbies come to start. If it becomes a paid forum, the traffic will go down by a lot.

            If all the newbies come here...YOU WILL SEE NEWBIE QUESTIONS..Simple eh?

            If you guys can't handle these newbies, maybe it is time for YOU GUYS to move to another place, no?

            Just my two cents.
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

              AOnly the posters with 2000+ posts are mad about this...Only the posters with 2000+ posts e even NOTICE these things.
              Have you ever stopped to consider that folks with over 2,000 post may have been around here and putting up with this for a lot longer than most people?

              Duh! lol

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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                As a 'newbie' who came here with lots of questions, I can say that by trying not to be an annoyance and using the search function, I have been able to get answers to almost all of my questions.

                Being a newbie should not give me the right to ask questions that have probably been asked hundreds of times, already. If I want to be a considerate person, mainly of other people's time, I should take it upon myself to search for what I am looking for and if unsuccessful, then try to ask an intelligent question.

                I have been watching what people post. I would be embarrassed to ask a question like: "10$ a day is it possible?" Yet, there are 111 replies, the second highest amount on the first page of thread listings. Maybe I am wrong, but I think most of the replies are worse than the question. Reading that thread was scary. :-) :-) :-)

                Being new does not relieve oneself of the obligation of conducting themselves in a considerate and reasonable way. It is not hard to understand how people that have been here for a very long time might become frustrated by seeing the same question over and over, especially if it has been asked and answered many, many times, previously.

                Thank you.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                  I have been watching what people post. I would be embarrassed to ask a question like: "10$ a day is it possible?" Yet, there are 111 replies, the second highest amount on the first page of thread listings. Maybe I am wrong, but I think most of the replies are worse than the question. Reading that thread was scary. :-) :-) :-)

                  Being new does not relieve oneself of the obligation of conducting themselves in a considerate and reasonable way. It is not hard to understand how people that have been here for a very long time might become frustrated by seeing the same question over and over, especially if it has been asked and answered many, many times, previously.

                  Thank you.
                  True, ask "How do l Make 10k a Day" and the replys will consist of, "Half past 11", dribble about achieving goals through clearly the junk out of your skull, (with a sig, link what not surprisingly shows you how to do it)", and a few that decide to potentially waste a lot of their time and tell it how it is.

                  True, that if you find something online that works, and automate it, (l am looking into that now) you can literally make as much per day as you like.

                  So it is possible to make money without limits online, but it takes years of training, effort, failure and investment to pull it off.

                  Yeah, l know, newbies don't have a clue, so as others have said some stickys need to be added.

                  "If You Want to Make 10k a day, Read This" sticky should do the trick.

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    • Profile picture of the author MValmont
      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      Just to be absolutely clear WF is not a paid forum. I have no idea why OP thought it was... My best guess is that OP hit the War Room landing page.

      We have a few reasons for not wanting to go that way, but the single biggest is simply that we want to be the biggest and best IM forum around.

      Turning into a paid forum would help in the short term in reducing spam and low quality posting (plus it'd bump our revenue), but longer term I think we'd eventually get beaten by someone else who can solve spam and quality without charging an upfront fee.
      Here is my advice:

      You need to make this an ONLINE MARKETING FORUM again. Not a golden age social club like it is now.

      There is a group of about 10-15 people with thousands of posts here (funny enough they pretty much all posted in this thread) that are SUPER RUDE to newbies and are not giving a good impressions to the new people that sign up.

      Just look at the Main section and you will see. Someone with ONE post started a thread about SEO, wrote a big text asking a question, and Big Frank laugh at the person and is rude towards him or her and tell the person to post in the SEO section.

      Do you really think this person will want to come back here? Do you really think this is how you will gain more traffic on the warrior forum? No it is not. A few years ago it was the BEST place to come if you are a newbie but not it became a social club for these members with thousands of posts.

      They don't even talk about online marketing. The only thing they do is come here and bash other people.

      Don't even think about making the forum paid etc, it will be useless. You need to fix what I'm talking about. That's the real problem. Just read all the posts by BigFrank and you will see.

      He delivers absolutely zero value and he makes it that newbies don't ever come back.

      You realize these posters with thousands of posts are of zero value to you right? They don't even help the newbie (some do, but most don't).

      If you want to raise the quality of this forum, this is the #1 thing the WF needs to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

        Someone with ONE post started a thread about SEO, wrote a big text asking a question, and Big Frank laugh at the person and is rude towards him or her and tell the person to post in the SEO section.
        Hello,

        Pardon me as I am very new here and I am trying to learn my way around. Why would someone with one post get mad if they posted a question in a section that was not appropriate and it was suggested that they post it in a more appropriate forum. Isn't that person being helpful to the newbie? Shouldn't an SEO question be in the SEO forum?

        I don't understand what I am missing. :-(

        I am happy to make your acquaintance and I hope if I make a mistake, someone will show me the right way to do things. I am here to learn.

        Thank you.

        EDIT: It appears that the mods moved the post in question to the SEO forum and banned Mr. Frank in the process. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. :-) :-) :-)

        I think I will tread lightly.
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      • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
        Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

        Here is my advice:

        You need to make this an ONLINE MARKETING FORUM again. Not a golden age social club like it is now.

        There is a group of about 10-15 people with thousands of posts here (funny enough they pretty much all posted in this thread) that are SUPER RUDE to newbies and are not giving a good impressions to the new people that sign up.

        Just look at the Main section and you will see. Someone with ONE post started a thread about SEO, wrote a big text asking a question, and Big Frank laugh at the person and is rude towards him or her and tell the person to post in the SEO section.

        Do you really think this person will want to come back here? Do you really think this is how you will gain more traffic on the warrior forum? No it is not. A few years ago it was the BEST place to come if you are a newbie but not it became a social club for these members with thousands of posts.

        They don't even talk about online marketing. The only thing they do is come here and bash other people.

        Don't even think about making the forum paid etc, it will be useless. You need to fix what I'm talking about. That's the real problem. Just read all the posts by BigFrank and you will see.

        He delivers absolutely zero value and he makes it that newbies don't ever come back.

        You realize these posters with thousands of posts are of zero value to you right? They don't even help the newbie (some do, but most don't).

        If you want to raise the quality of this forum, this is the #1 thing the WF needs to do.
        Spot on.

        I've been saying this for awhile and I'm glad other people are starting to see it for themselves.

        And now it looks like the mods have started to notice the trend...

        This is a internet marketing forum first. Not a socialite hang out where you bash other people because you and your buddies have been here for a long time. How petty is that.


        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Something like that would get reported assuming they initiated first contact via PM.
        He wishes I PM'd him first so he could report me. He PM'd me twice (the first time he tried to make the message look like I had violated some warriorforum rule and got an infraction. LOL).

        He was the one who probably got the infraction and he was pissed so he PM'd me to try and intimidate me...

        Like I said. His brain is is of questionable quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post



    And many of the newbies are responsible for that. They've sucked it dry of its spirit.[/B]

    Frank
    True.

    Coming to the OT, and seeing endless posts like, "what is your favourite color", or "how many whiskers does you cat have today", (save that one for Facebook), or "How do l do something that any idiot could search for on youtube" type questions, doesn't motivate me to come back here regulary.

    But, unfortunately post something interesting, and, the view count is pretty dismal.

    Certainly surprised that my "Quotes for 2017" went over the 1000 mark, but at least it shows, that this forum isn't dead, yet!

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

      Listen. You have 20k posts on this forum.

      You practically live on this forum.

      Every time I come here I almost never notice any posts like that. And if they do popup, they are gone within an hour.

      Stuff like this happens. It's the internet and it's a public forum. If this place was as bad as you think it is, those threads would stay around for days.

      Get off the forums for more than 15 minutes.

      What the hell do you even post on this forum anyway to get 20k posts?

      Let me look at your profile..

      Oh... You're one of those socialite members who posts on the off topic section and treats this place like some kind of facebook page where you talk about the latest news.

      Why do you even bother doing that here?

      You are a prime example of whats left of the 'old timers' that come here. Most of the good ones left and the ones that stayed become cranky old farts who post on the off topic section and then complain and nag on the main forum about stuff they don't like.

      Maybe this forum is in decline because the social club you belong too is stinking up the place with all your negativity. And the fact that you guys seem to think this is some kind of community chatroom. (There are better places to do that you know. Just because you have 20k posts here and are friends with the next cranky old guy on here doesn't mean you guys need to hang out here to talk about... oh let's look at one of your threads... "Bad Kung Fu Dubs"...).

      Hey timokeefe,

      You wanna revitalize this place? Get rid of the old stinky garbage that's been sitting around here festering.

      Out with the old and in with the new. Open the doors and windows and let some fresh air into this place.











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      • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Originally Posted by RefuseToLose

        Listen. You have 20k posts on this forum.

        You practically live on this forum.

        Every time I come here I almost never notice any posts like that. And if they do popup, they are gone within an hour.

        Stuff like this happens. It's the internet and it's a public forum. If this place was as bad as you think it is, those threads would stay around for days.

        Get off the forums for more than 15 minutes.

        What the hell do you even post on this forum anyway to get 20k posts?

        Let me look at your profile..

        Oh... You're one of those socialite members who posts on the off topic section and treats this place like some kind of facebook page where you talk about the latest news.

        Why do you even bother doing that here?

        You are a prime example of whats left of the 'old timers' that come here. Most of the good ones left and the ones that stayed become cranky old farts who post on the off topic section and then complain and nag on the main forum about stuff they don't like.

        Maybe this forum is in decline because the social club you belong too is stinking up the place with all your negativity. And the fact that you guys seem to think this is some kind of community chatroom. (There are better places to do that you know. Just because you have 20k posts here and are friends with the next cranky old guy on here doesn't mean you guys need to hang out here to talk about... oh let's look at one of your threads... "Bad Kung Fu Dubs"...).

        Hey timokeefe,

        You wanna revitalize this place? Get rid of the old stinky garbage that's been sitting around here festering.

        Out with the old and in with the new. Open the doors and windows and let some fresh air into this place.



        Yukon

        I find this post from RTL disgusting and will be taking this further with the admins
        People used to get banned for this and have a very long holiday for abusing a forum member and offending the other older members as STINKY is not on

        I am going to go now before I write something I should not

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

          Yukon

          I find this post from RTL disgusting and will be taking this further with the admins
          People used to get banned for this and have a very long holiday for abusing a forum member and offending the other older members as STINKY is not on

          I am going to go now before I write something I should not

          Jason
          Yes, he might try to fool everyone with the remote, terminal signup months ago. but the true self eventually becomes apparent.

          I would say that the mods, have their hands full, so far so good.

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          Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

          Yukon

          I find this post from RTL disgusting and will be taking this further with the admins
          People used to get banned for this and have a very long holiday for abusing a forum member and offending the other older members as STINKY is not on

          I am going to go now before I write something I should not

          Jason


          It's not a big deal.

          I've been through SEO forum flamefest that make this thread look like a cakewalk.

          To be honest I never read a wall of text on flame threads, maybe the first sentence or two, get the tone and ignore the rest.
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          • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            It's not a big deal.

            I've been through SEO forum flamefest that make this thread look like a cakewalk.

            To be honest I never read a wall of text on flame threads, maybe the first sentence or two, get the tone and ignore the rest.
            Well this is the reply I got just now on the PM

            "Hahaha piss off shit for brains."

            Such maturity dunno if i would want help from a person who thinks like a 15 yr old and the fact that other members would not even go near there signature if they have one!
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

              Well this is the reply I got just now on the PM

              "Hahaha piss off shit for brains."
              Something like that would get reported assuming they initiated first contact via PM.
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            It's not a big deal.

            I've been through SEO forum flamefest that make this thread look like a cakewalk.

            To be honest I never read a wall of text on flame threads, maybe the first sentence or two, get the tone and ignore the rest.
            LOL,
            Yes Jason you need to get with the times

            This is child's play compared to the epic battles with Mike Anthony and Yukon.

            Blood and guts stuff lol
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            • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              LOL,
              Yes Jason you need to get with the times

              This is child's play compared to the epic battles with Mike Anthony and Yukon.

              Blood and guts stuff lol
              Rob

              You and I both know that I would always help others if needed and yes have read some of the threads Mike and Yukie classics but to high jack a thread for its own purpose how the hell dint the mods kill this thread with all his flaming??

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              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              This is child's play compared to the epic battles with Mike Anthony and Yukon.

              Blood and guts stuff lol
              Admit it. You miss me and you miss those good old days when men were men and boys ran to hide for cover.

              Now all the oldies have is picking on the new/newer people(and of course the old staple - we know how to run a better Forum).
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    Can't we all just get along? :-)

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      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Can't we all just get along? :-)

      Frank

      It's an intervention for Donny and the anger issues.

      We're making progress.
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        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        It's an intervention for Donny and the anger issues.

        We're making progress.
        That story has already been turned into a blockbuster movie. "Mission Impossible."

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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Hmm...I could be wrong, but I don't think it's Don.


        It's a doppelganger, Donny Claus.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

          You obviously know this business better than they do.
          As far as solutions go, apparently I do.

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          • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            As far as solutions go, apparently I do.

            Frank
            Can you provide proof of the success of your solution. This should help the new owners make the leap of course.
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              Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

              Can you provide proof of the success of your solution. This should help the new owners make the leap of course.
              So, your looking for success before a plan is implemented? Good luck with that.

              Should they implement my suggestions, I'm sure they'll be extremely gratified by the results.

              You can lead a horse to water . . . . . . .

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              • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                So, your looking for success before a plan is implemented? Good luck with that.

                Should they implement my suggestions, I'm sure they'll be extremely gratified by the results.

                You can lead a horse to water . . . . . . .

                Frank

                Oh so you don't have any proof that your suggestion will work. No case studies of other websites that did it and succeeded, not even a website you've run before where you implemented this yourself and it was successful?

                Wait... well maybe you have an extensive list of experience you've gained while working for big websites giving suggestions that paid off for those websites and forums right?
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                  Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

                  Oh so you don't have any proof that your suggestion will work. No case studies of other websites that did it and succeeded, not even a website you've run before where you implemented this yourself and it was successful?

                  Wait... well maybe you have an extensive list of experience you've gained while working for big websites giving suggestions that paid off for those websites and forums right?
                  I have a gift. I'm nice enough to try to share it. Listing my vast experience and accomplishments would do nothing to appease your argumentative nature, so I'll leave you to believe whatever you wish. I have no desire to convince you of anything. You can deny reality all you like, but that will never change it.

                  We'll see what path they take and whether or not it works. I'm a very patient man and if they feel they need to try everything else before employing my guaranteed success formula, I have absolutely no problem with that.

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                  Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

                  Oh so you don't have any proof that your suggestion will work. No case studies of other websites that did it and succeeded, not even a website you've run before where you implemented this yourself and it was successful?

                  Wait... well maybe you have an extensive list of experience you've gained while working for big websites giving suggestions that paid off for those websites and forums right?


                  You're absolutely right.

                  Fake forum profiles are the keys to success.
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                      Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

                      Fake forum profiles are better than no forum profiles in their eyes. Like I said before... they are playing a numbers game, not a quality game.

                      Yes sir, you're absolutely correct.
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                          • Profile picture of the author michaelhart
                            Conducted with professionalism, right?

                            I'm here to stay. I've been here since early this month, forgive my inability to do hundreds of posts per day to satisfy your criteria for respect.

                            You have clearly outlined your disposition, so wherever you are in the world, enjoy the flat bread you have baked with your yeast-free comments.
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                            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                              Originally Posted by michaelhart View Post

                              Conducted with professionalism, right?

                              I'm here to stay. I've been here since early this month, forgive my inability to do hundreds of posts per day to satisfy your criteria for respect.

                              You have clearly outlined your disposition, so wherever you are in the world, enjoy the flat bread you have baked with your yeast-free comments.
                              Extremely profound. I'm sure we're all impressed with that unique display of mindless drivel.

                              Frank
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                            • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
                              Originally Posted by michaelhart View Post

                              Conducted with professionalism, right?

                              I'm here to stay. I've been here since early this month, forgive my inability to do hundreds of posts per day to satisfy your criteria for respect.

                              You have clearly outlined your disposition, so wherever you are in the world, enjoy the flat bread you have baked with your yeast-free comments.
                              Don't mind Frank. He just loves sharing his 'special' gift with everyone.
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                  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                    Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

                    Well this is the reply I got just now on the PM

                    "Hahaha piss off shit for brains."

                    Such maturity dunno if i would want help from a person who thinks like a 15 yr old and the fact that other members would not even go near there signature if they have one!
                    Sounds like Don, is back in form. And no he isn't 15, reliable reports say that he is 50+ years, (well, reasonably reliable).

                    Just send that to the mods, and we should all get a break from it.

                    He has been banned from two forums, but keeps coming back here, saying that we are the problem, lol,

                    No, rational discussion is probably futile.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                    Jus' gotta pack a scraper bigger'n a frickin' condo.
                    ...or a very large box of premium scoopable cat litter....?

                    I think I will tread lightly.
                    Nah - you have a good attitude. Some people only want to be told "you're right" so get bent if someone suggests an alternative reality. Being coddled may give people the warm fuzzies but it won't help them make any money.
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                  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                    Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                    There's a fine line between being friendly and helpful, and being an enabler.

                    Who is being helped by answering basic questions over and over, acting as the Universal Support and Customer Service site for every product and service sold, or patting every whiner on the head and telling them they're on the right path?

                    Maybe some of the long term members are a bit short on tact, but for the most part good questions get good answers.

                    How is any newbie going to learn to stand on their own two feet and feed themselves if they're constantly spoon fed?
                    True, we have been here for years, and know a lot about IM. And know from experience that if we answer a newbie "make money" question, 9 times out of ten, it will be a waste of our time.

                    A newbie with shiny object syndrome, coming here, is all to common, and us telling them that it is a real business and will take time, isn't something they usually want to hear.


                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Hello,

                    I am happy to make your acquaintance and I hope if I make a mistake, someone will show me the right way to do things. I am here to learn.

                    Thank you.

                    EDIT: It appears that the mods moved the post in question to the SEO forum and banned Mr. Frank in the process. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. :-) :-) :-)

                    I think I will tread lightly.
                    The one carrying on about sweeping out the long term members, also got banned, so not a good example to go by.

                    You as well as other newbies, will find that we are not a snooty, bossy bunch, but just tired of certain questions, as well as the state of this forum.

                    When l first came here l asked "how do l make money online" and mostly got slammed for it.But some did help.

                    And true, l will occasionally have some fun, (probably has something to do with power corrupts) but will also offer good advise.

                    It isn't easy to make money online, and even harder to figure out how to create wealth, so tough love comes into play on occasion.

                    If a newbie leaves for good crying, because we burst his bubble and told him pressing three buttons won't make him rich, then it is probably for the best, might save him some money and a wasted year chasing after that BS.

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                  • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
                    This thread got a bit heated, but most of the bans you see there are actually from another thread. Still, thank you to everyone who kept it civil.

                    I'd like to comment a little more on why we're not going towards a paid model. I do very much accept that it would lead to less spam and less of the constant newbie threads in the short term. That said, there are a few reasons why we're sticking to free:
                    • I don't believe we've done enough to beat spammers yet - that's a focus for this week, so any extra ideas here would be appreciated
                    • We're not making it easy enough for newbies to find answers to basic questions - in fact the feed view very much encourages asking questions before doing anything else, which is a clear issue we need to fix
                    • It goes against the long term vision for the forum, as I said earlier in the thread
                    • Anecdotally when Allen switched the forum to paid it improved quality, but the stats on it look awful, and I believe that's why it was switched back to free
                    • The forum has definitely been successful in the past with a free model, and I don't see why that wouldn't be true now and in the future

                    I appreciate that a lot of you don't agree with this decision, and you do have solid arguments for why a paid forum could work out better. However, I'm confident that with the changes we have planned for the next few weeks you'll start to see less spam and more high quality threads.

                    To the newer users asking about bans - we try to be fairly light on them (except for spammers). If you're not personally attacking anyone or spamming then you don't need to worry about being banned. You'll also generally get a warning first.
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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      It would be nice to have a section for newbies were there were a number of stickies relating to the most commonly asked questions in each sub-forum. Newbies should be instructed to look through those before posting questions.

                      Searching for specific topics can be helpful, but oftentimes difficult as many people simply do not know how to effectively use the search function.

                      Also, when people post questions that are well-known to be included in the stickies, other members should be discouraged from answering those questions. They should point the person to the stickies with a suggestion to ask a more detailed question after reviewing the sticky. People are generally lazy and will always look to get others to do their heavy-lifting for them. If not discouraged, the problem will only grow instead of getting better over time.

                      Helping people that should be taught how to help themselves, helps no one, IMHO.

                      I am new here, so I realize that my comments don't hold much sway, but they are offered in a serious attempt at providing a helpful recommendation at a solution.

                      Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      THEY'VE TRIED IT ALREADY AND IT DOESN'T WORK...
      No, "they" didn't - Allen did and it did work... but for his own reasons he decided to discontinue it. Those reasons may have included adding as many new members as possible so he could sell this forum to FL in 2014 for $3.2 million or so.

      Doesn't matter - Fl owns the forum and they make the rules. That's the way it is and should be.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hey Guys,

      Here's an alternate suggestion:

      Instead of making it a straight paid forum, place all new posts into moderation until a moderator has reviewed and approved, After the user has 50 or more approved posts then allow them to post freely.

      As an alternative option allow new users to pay a nominal fee, say $3-$5 to have their posts instantly approved, bypassing the moderation queue, but still subject to forum rules. Use the Instant Approval fees to offset the cost of moderators for those that want to post freely and await moderation.

      Just an idea, what do you guys think of it?
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      Now I just feel left out - I don't have one of those....
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Now I just feel left out - I don't have one of those....
        You probably have more of one than he does. Poke around, down there! :-)

        Frank
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          I'll send you a picture if you like and you can decide
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      Originally Posted by AleksandarP View Post

      Nice idea btw.
      Spam post for signature link exposure - the precise reason why you need to charge new registrants. Will you folks never learn? - F.
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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Spam post for signature link exposure - the precise reason why you need to charge new registrants. Will you folks never learn? - F.
        Ha, ha, didn't even have to try on that one.

        Just sit back and let the spam come to the thread...
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Ha, ha, didn't even have to try on that one.

          Just sit back and let the spam come to the thread...
          It's Saturday. Expect a tidal wave of this crap. Tomorrow will be even worse. lol

          Frank
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  • Gotta say, summa the best pro-kudos stuff round here happens in the copywritin' forum (especially when I am in absentia), whereya got morea a balance between expertiseo an' appeaso sans reflex dissinga noobie cheeso.

    Elsewhere, the fine line between constructive incloosivity an' spam flingin' has yet to be sketched out as WF-as-was plus growtha-FaceBook-groops plus worldwide micro-entrprenoorial boom kinda interact as factors to produce the current partially graspable chaos.

    (I paraphrased that line from CNN, btw.)

    Cool thing is, there is real useful stuff here ifya dig around.

    Jus' gotta pack a scraper bigger'n a frickin' condo.
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      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Gotta say, summa the best pro-kudos stuff round here happens in the copywritin' forum (especially when I am in absentia), whereya got morea a balance between expertiseo an' appeaso sans reflex dissinga noobie cheeso.

      Oy! In my absence you have gone to an all seeing Eye. I didn't even realize it was you until I reached

      "reflex dissinga noobie cheeso."

      who else could it be BUT Princess B?
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      • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Oy! In my absence you have gone to an all seeing Eye. I didn't even realize it was you until I reached

        "reflex dissinga noobie cheeso."

        who else could it be BUT Princess B?
        I figure Sauron shoulda made with the mascara.

        Hobbitses woulda stood no chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I have been away for a while and am confused by the OP and posts. Is it still a free forum or paid?
    Nevermind, I see it's been answered but let me give my two cents :p

    Paid would be great for I.Mer's because it assures you that people have Paypal accounts with money to spend. It also makes sense for the company to keep it free for since more eyes on the ads means more $$$$
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