You Gotta Love Michael Moore

I like Michael Moore and all Fearless Truth Seekers.

Cool site, cute game. I actually did pretty well but I am fired anway... LOL...

You can't fire me, I QUIT!

'I'm not gonna work on Maggies Farm no more".

I just read about this in our paper today. I am looking forward to watching this one. Should be both entertaining and informative.

Well, it turns out foreign countries aren't THAT good as a whole. I spoke with an indian just last friday, and HE said they DO have a lot of hospitals. They DO have a nationalized system. STILL, if you want good treatment, you have to PAY.

Hey, the friday before last, I had a NASTY injury. I figure it is ALMOST healed about as much as it is likely to. So HERE is what happened, and keep in mind that I HAVE insurance and was already registered at the hospital,...

I tripped, and landed SQUARE on a counter that cut THROUGH my lip. I mean it ACTUALLY cut through to the mouth. The cut was about an inch long. BLOOD was spurting, and my INR was about 3. That INR meant it would take longer to heal and could be more dangerous.

Anyway, I couldn't even take a shower. I headed RIGHT to the hospital that, luckily, was only a few miles away. I was lucky in that NOBODY else was there, but I was always afraid someone worse would come in and push me back, because of triage.

There WAS a delay. They ran me through the usual tests in something like this, and it STILL took me about 3 HOURS to REALLY be taken care of. I was LUCKY it didn't take 4! The surgeon didn't wait for others to check the cat scan, although she DID wait for the cat scan. I had 9 stitches.

I STILL have a line that, if it doesn't disappear QUICKLY, I will ALWAYS believe was because of the 3 hour delay. My high INR may have actually SAVED me from a WORSE result. I am at least happy that it looks somewhat normal. I THINK the cut was all ABOVE my mustache, so hopefully THAT will grow back normally.

I LATER went back, last wednesday, at night to have the outside stitches taken out. It took 1.5 hours for them to see me, but that was REAL time. They saw me the moment I passed through those doors. The 1.5 was because I was out of the woods and the LEAST important, so I was placed in their MINOR emergency center where I had to wait for them to take care of about 4 others in front of me.

I STILL don't know how much that cost me, but it could likely be a few hundred dollars ONLY because I should have met my deductible with the previous test for my aorta surgery.

Anyway, if they REALLY had FREE national insurance, I might have been out of luck and deformed, or worse, because of the long lines for REALLY simple things like the onset of a cough. Of course, HR3200 is NOT really free, and creates other problems.

BTW for the record, in case anyone is curious, the surgeon was a black pregnant woman, and she sounded American. I say that only because of other threads here, etc...

BTW Yeah, I kind of liked sicko ALSO, even though I STILL think it was a bit biased. I may actually PAY to watch capitalism.

Steve

Let me get this straight...

Michael Moore does an anti capitalism movie.

How many of the millions and millions of dollars that he is sure to earn in this capitalistic society is he going to give back to the government out of the socialist goodness of his heart.

This guy is an opportunist at best, not saying his stuff isn't good, but I'm sure it's heavily slanted at best.

Scot

Michael Moore generally looks at some political contraversy, and plays it in a comedic fashion. I have a feeling capitalism will be his BEST and most fairly done.

In commercials, for example, there is a scene where he is outside of AIG with bags for the money, and asks where the money is.

It is called capitalism because many view capitalism as GREED, and see the corporate bailout, and preceeding problem, as capitalism. Frankly, I view it as just greed, paybacks, and extortions. It is more fascistic and russian style communistic than capitalism.

HECK, I was once turned down for auto insurance by 21st century insurance because I was not at least 25! They offered INEXPENSIVE insurance, even though they DID reject people seen as even moderate risk. I'm told they were ALSO quick to CANCEL! So what is the tie? 21st century is just ONE company owned by "American Insurance Group", now called "American International Group" better known as AIG! They could have EASILY made more money and increased business. I guess they figured they could get paid more ELSEWHERE, but that means a HIGHER risk!

The IDEA that a company would get BILLIONS for a bailout, and keep having parties that cost MILLIONS, etc....? INCREDIBLE!

Anyway, I doubt Moore will call that capitalism. Calling that capitalism is like calling the engineering of super viri, and bombs made to mame, HEALTHCARE!

Steve

I'm a big fan of Michael Moore.

I live in Australia and I'm also a big fan of Medicare! (Australia's government-run health system)

Yeah, you gotta give Michael Moore credit for doing something he believes in. He does take on the controversial subjects.

And it seems to have paid off for him in the long run.

I like Michael Moore. I'm a great fan of the British NHS. The best bit of Sicko is when the British politician Tony Benn explains why a publicly funded health service is so important, and so valued by British people:

I dislike that guy more than anybody else I can think of at the moment. I disagree with a lot of his opinions but thats not why I dislike him so much.

Mostly, I dislike how one-sided his arguments are. To me, the most convincing arguments are when somebody presents their side, notes the opposing viewpoints and then tries to refute those viewpoints in a rational way.

Every work of his Ive seen is soo biased slanted and one sided that you cant take it seriously at all. I like the fact that hes a truth digger but his presenation of his findings have little credibility in my book


my 2 cents at least

steve

There is a free NHS in Britain and you don't get long lines of people with a cough. This is because if you have a cough, you have to go to your GP (local doctor) not the hospital. It's only if it's serious do you call an ambulance or go to the hospital direct.

I had a sore throat about two weeks ago, I went down to see my local doctor, waited about 20 minutes, he checked me out thoroughly, we had a chat and he gave me some antibiotics. If the GP thinks it's something serious he will send you for further testing at the local hospital. My GP is very rigorous about testing so he has done this a couple of times. Total cost for all this excellent health care? Free.

I know it is not actually free i.e a National Insurance contribution is deducted from your wages, but you know that everyone pays it and they are all paying the same percentage. If you don't work you don't have to pay it. So really it feels free, because when you actually use the health service, it's free.

The main advantage of a free health service is that you don't have to worry about, if you have a problem you just go to see your local doc or go to the hospital. This leaves you free to concentrate on your work and business, freeing up time.

I can't say as im a big michael moore fan. The way he presents stuff is made to be inflammatory and create controversy. He does this with a onesided argument and skewed facts. I watched bowling for columbine and its ridiculous

What's the prob with Mike Moore??

Is it that this guy embarrasses us??

I'm sure he's doing more good than harm with stuff like...

Roger & Me: How GM was outsourcing jobs to other countries.

Sicko: Pointing out problems with the American health care system.

Bowling For Columbine: Didn't really see this one but it had something to do with gun control.

Fahrenheit 911: About the reign of Bush The Second

Capitalism a Love Story: Should be very interesting regarding the big C, Wall Street, class warfare & the effect on our nation.

Did I miss any of his other movies???

TL

Yeah, I forgot about the colombine one. That WAS crazy. I don't think I saw fahrenheit. I didn't see roger and me. I wonder what his take was on THAT!

And TL, There really ISN'T any attack on the poor by the middle class, other than to counter the attacks THEY create because they claim we DO!

Maybe they would do better to JOIN us in trying to get government to make things FAIR!

Then again, that means NO unions, and fewer handouts, so I guess the "poor" will never go for it.

Then again, if a robber steals from you, and you try to grab it back, is that REALLY an attack against them?

Steve

"Then again, that means NO unions, and fewer handouts, so I guess the "poor" will never go for it. "

Two very big misconceptions.

That unions get handouts and that the poor survive off handouts.

The unions would never have been possible if they hadn't been needed.
The truth is,unions can have corrupt management just like businesses can.
Don't blame the unions, blame the leaders.

By the way, I was a union steward for 10 years. The leadership I was under was not terribly corrupt. The leadership that took over was terribly corrupt.
Its the same as with our corporations and/or goverment,you don't disband it because there are problems, you get rid of the problems and what is causing them.

Edit: Apparently Seasoned/Steve posted while I was composing my post. I have to say that I found the majority of his post to be incorrect in my opinion, and that is based on actually being a union steward for 10 years. Before I became a union steward,I had been brainwashed with all the stuff he is saying, but I found that most of it is fabricated untruths.
One example is GM. The unions didn't bankrupt GM, poor management along with poor overpriced products did.

But there is an underlying theme,and that is fix the problems!

Someone called him the left wing Glenn Beck.


TL

"Well, I WAS talking in the context of the poor that want all this stuff. I don't know what union YOU are with."

The operative word is "was". What union I WAS with.
I was with the APWU.
Sure, I saw a lot of abuse,by the union leaders, (not too much though,because as I stated, the union leadership I was under was pretty honest and reputable) by the employees,( A LOT of abuse there) and management.( ALso A LOT of abuse).

But you want to blame the unions for the other peoples abuse. Let me tell you, I had to defend people that had no desire to work,whether they were union members or not. And most of the people that abused the system were the ones that were not union members, but they definitely took advantage of the union benefits without contributing to the union. You know the type, they took the union salary they got, the union vacations they got, the union medical care that they got,but they didn't join the union or pay union dues.
Who hired these people? Heres a clue: it wasn't the union.
Now, you remember the phrase "going postal"?
It wasn't given to someone unjustly. Postal management was intentionally abusive.
I had a person I worked with that had a manager come stand behind him for literally hours at a time and watch him work. After quite a long time of this, the employee snapped,and gave him a shove backwards. The employee got terminated. It took almost 2 years,but he got his job back,and rightly so, he had been harrassed needlessy, but thats what management did best.
They didn't worry about budget, they didn't worry about performance or even public perception, they were more concerned with getting rid of the employees that were not asskissers.
One thing I never got over was the fact that we were written up for clocking in or out of our prescribed time range. We were disciplined for clocking in too early or too late, even thogh we had so many employees doing it at the same time that we physically couldn't do it within the prescibed time range.

Anyone who makes statements like this is either:

a) ignorant
b) ignorant
c) both

That's a little strong.

I don't believe capitalism is evil and it can not be regulated.

I don't believe everything he says or believes etc. but...

I do believe Mr. Moore does a lot more good than harm and believing so does not make me the I word or the S word.


TL

Of course it doesn't TL.
Hence my reply!

As the saying goes, you can't argue with a closed mind, hence the end of my discussion with you.
But for the record, very few people that know me would say I was ignorant OR believe in socialism.

Sometimes he does strike me as overly idealistic but that's no reason ( in this case ) to declare him the enemy of civilization.

I have a feeling that if pressed, he would say that "unfettered" capitalism is evil and I'll second that notion.

anyways...

I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If I'm a socialist you're a fascist...

... and I still believe he does a whole lot more good than harm.

TL

TL,
I was taught many many years ago that when someone doesn't have anything intelligent to say,that is when they resort to name calling.

While its not as serious a subject matter, this reminds me of the thread that someone posted about a review of The Beatles version of Rock Band. Of course, he was posting wanting the review a couple of weeks before it was released.

Here we are getting a movie version of that thread.


"This movie opens on Friday, October 2. Showtimes are not yet available in your area."

What I find so interesting is this conversation taking place in a MARKETING forum.

But, as I said earlier, there is an underlying theme,and that is fix the problems!

writing song as we speak!!

"You gotta love Michael Moore"

No I dont!

I'm looking forward to seeing the new movie. I like to hear both sides of any argument because that's the best way to make an informed decision. Michael Moore does a pretty good job of presenting whatever his opinion is in an entertaining way.