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Patrician

15 years ago

ha ha dave - going to 'hell in a handbasket' - with a police escort.

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CDarklock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

HIGH SCHOOL

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Johnny falls while running during recess

WTF? Who has recess in high school?

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Dave Patterson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

WTF? Who has recess in high school?

I don't know...but if you a Ms. Green like I had for Biology class I'll bet you would've fell and scraped your knee at least as many times as I did
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Kurt

15 years ago

To me, the biggest difference is in our own homes:

1969- I get in minor trouble at school for pushing the cross-walk button. I'm grounded and get the spanking of my life.

Today- The parent goes to school and "lawyers" for their kid, regardless of their kid being in the wrong.

Back then, the school and teacher was always rigth, authority was respected. IF I got into any type of trouble at school, it would be 10X worse when I got home. No questions asked.

Today's kids can do no wrong in the eyes of their parents, and if they get into some type of trouble at school, it's the teacher's fault and the teacher is picking on little Johnny.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Gimme a break. Show me actual examples where any of this actually happened. A SWAT team called in for a fist fight between two students? Yeah, right.

I get the point of the post, but if you have to bend the truth to make a point, then you're point is shaky to begin with.

The zero tolerance policy for OTC drugs is foolish. Now, you CAN take aspirin, or whatever, in school, BUT you have to do so through the school nurse. But when you can get expelled for having cough drops, that's obviously a problem.

However, many of the other examples have never happened. They are urban myths.

Spanking. Yes, lots of parents still spank their kids AND never get into any kind of trouble. Then there are parents who take it too far and SHOULD get in trouble for being abusive. Like it or not, too much spanking isn't a good thing.

Well-applied spanking can be helpful. Too much only teaches kids one thing - how NOT to get caught. Think about it.

At the same time, I'm glad it's 2009. You can choose the things you THINK were better in 1959, but do you really want there to be a polio epidemic again? In other words, you have to take the bad with the good.

Things were not all roses 50 years ago. There were plenty of problems then; today it's nothing more than a different set of problems.

All the best,
Michael

p.s. This post is one example. In 1959 you would have had to have published it in the newspaper, or send it to each of us via snail mail. Then everyone who replies would have to send that reply to everyone else who made a reply, and so on.

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Killer Joe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

This post is one example. In 1959 you would have had to have published it in the newspaper, or send it to each of us via snail mail. Then everyone who replies would have to send that reply to everyone else who made a reply, and so on.

Yea Micheal,

But in 1959 the chances of a 1957 Chevy sitting in your driveway were much better than they are today. :p

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Yeah, but the 1963 Corvettes with the split-back window weren't out yet.

~M~

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Killer Joe 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Yeah, but the 1963 Corvettes with the split-back window weren't out yet.

~M~

DOH!

I forgot about that. I've had a '64, a '65, and a '76 Corvette. Never could fit in the C4 ('84 thru 96)

I can fit in a C5, and one day I just might have one underneath my right foot.

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garyv 15 years ago

1959 - Most major markets have 2 or 3 TV channels at most. And my father's favorite TV show... "Leave it to Beaver".

2009 - 50 years of TV have washed away any dreams of having a perfect family. The ever rising amount of violence and sex on TV has desensitized my father. However his favorite TV show is still "Leave it to Beaver"... (But on the porn channel).
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- Killer Joe 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by garyv
  
  1959 - Most major markets have 2 or 3 TV channels at most. And my father's favorite TV show... "Leave it to Beaver".
  
  Back then they could get away with lines like "You were a little hard on the Beaver last night, Ward".
  
  I miss those days...
  
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  garyv 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Killer Joe
  
  Back then they could get away with lines like "You were a little hard on the Beaver last night, Ward".
  
  I miss those days...
  
  KJ
  
  lol - The good ole days...
  
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  Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago
  
  While the OP stretches the truth, we are more uptight about things today
  than we used to be.
  
  As for the fights, I can say absolutely that years ago, if I had a fight with
  one of my friends, we fought, somebody got beat up (usually me) and then
  we made up afterwards.
  
  Today, the police would definitely be called by somebody observing the
  altercation and a big hoo ha would be made over nothing.
  
  And Kurt is right about one thing. Years ago, we respected authority. If
  your kid was sent home from school for being bad, the parents gave the
  kind one hell of a whooping. Today, it's the school that's in the wrong. I know
  this because my wife, who has now been teaching high school math for over
  25 years, has this happen all the time. Parents are constantly coming to
  school to tell HER that she must be doing something wrong because there
  is nothing wrong with their child.
  
  It is a different world that we live in today.
  
  Having said that, I'll take 2009 over 1959 any day of the week because
  of all the improvements we have.
  
  See, it's not all bad. Sure, some things are worse. But I think many more
  things are better.
  
  So in the grand scheme of things, I'll put up with the bad in order to have
  the better.
  
  Of course that's just my own opinion.
  
  Bottom line...if you like 1959 better and can find a way to go back there,
  please let me know.
  
  Better yet, let H.G. Wells know.
  
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  Killer Joe 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  Bottom line...if you like 1959 better and can find a way to go back there,
  please let me know.
  
  I've heard one vist to Cuba will give you a lot of insights into that topic.
  
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R Hagel

15 years ago

Did someone say Corvette? I'm shopping for a C3 or C4 right now. Got my eye on a 1986 blue coupe... hmmm.

Oh, and if it was 1959 (and if I was alive), we "women folk" wouldn't be having this conversation with you guys. You'd be talking about this at the office. The ladies would be lucky if they were in the office ... if they were, it would be at the receptionist's desk.

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Killer Joe 15 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

Did someone say Corvette? I'm shopping for a C3 or C4 right now. Got my eye on a 1986 blue coupe... hmmm.

Becky,

Keep in mind that each year of the series improved over the previous years' version with the exception of horsepower. That tended to fluctuate with the political climate.

Stay away from the 1984 model as it has the most bugs. If you really like the C4 look for a model in the '90s as they are a much better car if you are going to drive it.

The C3 1981 model has the cool front spoilers that are bitch near parking blocks, but really add to the style.

If anybody tries to sell you a 1983 model...run away :p

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R Hagel

15 years ago

Thanks for the tips, Bill. I had heard that the 84's rattled, squeaked and about fell apart.

I like the looks of the 1977 and older C3's. I wasn't too fond of the fastback window on the "shark" 78's and up, so I'd likely skip anything from 78-83 (and 84 for the previously mentioned reasons). But I do like the styling from 84 on up.

ah heck, might as well just run out and grab a 2010.

Cheers,
Becky

p.s. My mom bought a 1964 1/2 Mustang when it first came out. Dang, she sold it a looong time ago. Shucks.

Oh yeah -- 1959. That's what we were talking about.

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Killer Joe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

Thanks for the tips, Bill. I had heard that the 84's rattled, squeaked and about fell apart.

I like the looks of the 1977 and older C3's. I wasn't too fond of the fastback window on the "shark" 78's and up, so I'd likely skip anything from 78-83 (and 84 for the previously mentioned reasons). But I do like the styling from 84 on up.

ah heck, might as well just run out and grab a 2010.

Becky,

What you heard about the '84 was correct. But they all do that to some degree.

I'm with you on the fastback look of the '78 thru '82 models. I didn't like the look as much as the earlier C3s.

Btw, there is no 1983 model

The 1997 C5 has the same draw backs as the '84 model due to it being the first of its' generation. Same for the '68 which is regarded by many as the worst of the Corvettes.

KJ

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R Hagel 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Btw, there is no 1983 model

LOL! I didn't realize that because I've never looked for anything between 78 and 84.

Tricky.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Well, hate to interrupt the Vet fest, but to go back to parents and schools -- DON'T kid yourselves that parents used to cooperate with schools. My father was Superintendent of my school system and he spent a hell of a lot of time on the phone with parents who couldn't get a grip that the kids weren't perfect.

Little Johnny gets caught smoking in the bathroom and little Johnny's parents could be counted on to call up and be very emphatic about the fact that little Johnny doesn't and WOULDN'T ever smoke. My Dad would tell them they needed to get a grip because little Johnny was caught red-handed, and the parents would still argue.

Where I came from you didn't spend half of your time "whopping" your kids. You got punished, but people didn't normally hit you. You had to do something extremely evil to get hit. I would have ended up living in Haight/Ashberry by the time I was 14 if my folks wailed on me the way some of you say yours did. I thought you said your parents watched Leave it To Beaver. Just gotta ask themselves "What would Ward do".

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Well, hate to interrupt the Vet fest, but to go back to parents and schools -- DON'T kid yourselves that parents used to cooperate with schools. My father was Superintendent of my school system and he spent a hell of a lot of time on the phone with parents who couldn't get a grip that the kids weren't perfect.

Little Johnny gets caught smoking in the bathroom and little Johnny's parents could be counted on to call up and be very emphatic about the fact that little Johnny doesn't and WOULDN'T ever smoke. My Dad would tell them they needed to get a grip because little Johnny was caught red-handed, and the parents would still argue.

Where I came from you didn't spend half of your time "whopping" your kids. You got punished, but people didn't normally hit you. You had to do something extremely evil to get hit. I would have ended up living in Haight/Ashberry by the time I was 14 if my folks wailed on me the way some of you say yours did. I thought you said your parents watched Leave it To Beaver. Just gotta ask themselves "What would Ward do".

And my Grandma was a jr high teacher and my mom a high school teacher.

Not to mention, in 1959 if Little Johnny was black, he may have had to go to a different school in many parts of the US. What did Ward say about integration for Mayfield High?

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Dave Patterson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

And my Grandma was a jr high teacher and my mom a high school teacher.

Not to mention, in 1959 if Little Johnny was black, he may have had to go to a different school in many parts of the US. What did Ward say about integration for Mayfield High?

I remember well when segregation happened...AND the little "talk" the principal gave to "prepare" us for the coming change the following week.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

And my Grandma was a jr high teacher and my mom a high school teacher.

Not to mention, in 1959 if Little Johnny was black, he may have had to go to a different school in many parts of the US. What did Ward say about integration for Mayfield High?

Okay...teachers.....missing what you are saying about that. I'm sure your school principals and superintendent fielded calls about the wicked teachers that were picking on their kids for your Mom and Grandma, too. The teachers weren't usually bothered about such calls unless there seemed to be trouble brewing beyond the call. People didn't usually go screaming to lawyers back then if they didn't agree with the final outcome of a problem.

In Michigan the real change came when the Burton school officials were caught strip searching kids for things like cigarettes - stripping little girls down in front of adult men. That perverted little crew, who made the statement to the press in reaction to being caught was "we have more power than the police", were the ones that changed the thought about the power of schools over kids in MI. and started the lawsuit craze out that way.

Now in light that schools were doing things such as that, it was a good thing that parents quit accepting anything a school dished out as "they know what they are doing" -- what evolved from there has been ridiculous.

Now ANY form of discipline ends up in court and any kid who has one tad of a conflict with a teacher ends up drugged until drooling.

I think the whole world has just gone around the bend, stark raving looney toones. There isn't a whole lot of anything that really makes much sense any more.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

HIGH SCHOOL

1959 vs. 2009

Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1959 ...Johnny and Mark shake hands and end upbuddies.

NOT in the early sixties, at least at MY schools!!!!!!!!!

Still, all the rest you said, sadly, is correct. One of my best friends when I was 5-9 was a man in his 40s!!!!! He took me to his cabin, fishing, shooting, boating, various trips like a cotton refinery, cloth weaver, electric car maker, his screw(REAL SCREWS, to hold things together, fit pipes together, etc....) shop, etc.... We even scrounged to find parts for, and build a jig saw. He bought mee a soldering iron and power drill! He let me use his lathe.

We had a GREAT time until his death while he was driving me back to the cabin. He died of a heart attack.

TODAY, people would consider him a PEDOPHILE SIMPLY because I was so much younger. He was like the father I NEVER had. My REAL father divorced my mother when I was 2, and I barely saw him.

BTW he was STRAIGHT, conservative, and kind of estranged from his family. He had a wife and several sons. They were in their 20s or so.

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CDarklock

15 years ago

My nephew moved up from Oregon because his school system was insane and his teachers hated him.

So he comes up and goes to school in Washington. Apparently, in his new school, they have what are called "student cops." A student cop is like a hall monitor with the power to command anyone to empty their pockets at any time.

So after a week or two, he gets asked to empty his pockets, and there on his keychain is a small pocket knife. It's got about a 2" blade on it. This is immediately called a "weapon" and he goes to the principal's office, where he is promptly EXPELLED (not suspended) without so much as a call to us. He had to call us on the pay phone outside the school to come pick him up.

We go pick him up, and begin the process of talking to the school. It seems he has been "associating with an undesirable crowd." They agree that he can come back to school if - and only if - he undergoes a psychological evaluation at a specific clinic, who has a contract with the school system.

We send him. He goes through the evaluation. During the course of it, they ask if he has ever had alcohol or drugs. He reports that he is sometimes allowed to have one drink on special occasions, like holidays, with parental supervision. They send back a report to the school that says he needs to go through drug and alcohol education.

The school tells us that to return to school, my nephew must go to a twelve-week drug and alcohol education course - through the same clinic that has the contract - at a cost of $120 a week. Once he completes the course, he can be evaluated again for a return to school.

So here we are, two and a half months into the school year, the past six weeks being spent in discussions with the school about how to get him off expulsion... and now he needs to spend three months in drug and alcohol education to return. That will give him about two months to finish an entire year's school work and move to the next grade. We point this out, and they agree that he will almost certainly not be able to do this, so he'll probably be held back a grade.

So let me get this straight. We spend half the school year with this child at home, and $1,440 out of our pocket, so he can get held back? Over a 2" pocket knife on his key chain? With nary a disciplinary problem, no acting out, no prior offenses? Simply because some jackhole with a little power decided to single him out?

Yep! That's how things work around here.

My children will never attend public school. Ever. Under any circumstances. Most of the 1959 situations were well over by the 1970s; I remember my school days. School is designed to teach your children to sit down, shut up, and do as they're told. That doesn't make you a success. Ever.

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Killer Joe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

So after a week or two, he gets asked to empty his pockets, and there on his keychain is a small pocket knife. It's got about a 2" blade on it. This is immediately called a "weapon" and he goes to the principal's office, where he is promptly EXPELLED (not suspended) without so much as a call to us. He had to call us on the pay phone outside the school to come pick him up.

CD,

In 1959 I was standing in the hallway outside my classroom when one of the two kids that were there with me pulls out the razor blade he had removed from his pencil sharpener.

They're both screwing around with it when the guy who owned it suddenly decides to take a swipe at the other guy with it, just for some macho effect I'm guessing, and cuts the kids left arm from above the elbow all the way down to his wrist. Not a deep cut, but it did bleed a little.

At the exact same moment we all hear the principal at the other end of hallway yell at us and we all ran like little scared children.

I got in trouble not only for being there, but also for running. I'll always remember the principal asking me "If you didn't do anything wrong, why did you run?"

Nobody got expelled, we were just given stern warnings and then turned over to our parents for any further discipline. I told my parents what happened, and they understood.

When people like me who were born when Truman was president try to explain to younger folks how they have been losing their freedoms most of the time we just get blank stares, shrugs, and 'so whats'.

I have 6 grandkids and I really fear for the kind of futures they will inherit. There was no reason your nephew should have ever been subjected to such lunicy. It turns my stomach to read such horror stories as you just described. Nobody deserves to be treated like that.

KJ

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HeySal

15 years ago

A woman I worked with in WA has a beautiful exceptionally smart and creative little boy. He started misbehaving in class when the material they were giving him proved to be about three levels below his learning capacity. He was bored mindless.

The teacher, instead of giving him higher level assignments to engage him with, complains that he is out of control and they force the mother to drug the kid. She came home one day and he was sitting in front of the tv completely unresponsive and drooling.

She attempted to talk to the school - to no avail. It seems the TEACHER - not a psychologist or psychiatrist or even a doctor, but a TEACHER ordered the drugging.

The last I heard she had hired a lawyer that she couldn't afford to take the school to court and is charging the school and the teacher personally for practicing psychiatry without a license. I hope she sues them senseless - but more than that, I hope there has been no permanent damage to that wonderful child.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

A woman I worked with in WA has a beautiful exceptionally smart and creative little boy. He started misbehaving in class when the material they were giving him proved to be about three levels below his learning capacity. He was bored mindless.

The teacher, instead of giving him higher level assignments to engage him with, complains that he is out of control and they force the mother to drug the kid. She came home one day and he was sitting in front of the tv completely unresponsive and drooling.

She attempted to talk to the school - to no avail. It seems the TEACHER - not a psychologist or psychiatrist or even a doctor, but a TEACHER ordered the drugging.

The last I heard she had hired a lawyer that she couldn't afford to take the school to court and is charging the school and the teacher personally for practicing psychiatry without a license. I hope she sues them senseless - but more than that, I hope there has been no permanent damage to that wonderful child.

I knew a guy once that got Disability for his kid who, by unbiased accounts, WAS normal! HE sat at home drinking beer all day, and kept hiis SON drugged up, who was then SUB PAR! Isn't it nice to know that our tax dollars help two people to be unproductive leeches!?!?(sarc)

I recently found out they prescribed ritalin for ME! My mother never filled it because I WASN'T hyperactive. Although, at times, they make it sound good, etc... and I wonder how it would have affected me, I have known TOO MANY that reacted like the person I described, and the one you described!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

A woman I worked with in WA has a beautiful exceptionally smart and creative little boy. He started misbehaving in class when the material they were giving him proved to be about three levels below his learning capacity. He was bored mindless.

The teacher, instead of giving him higher level assignments to engage him with, complains that he is out of control and they force the mother to drug the kid. She came home one day and he was sitting in front of the tv completely unresponsive and drooling.

She attempted to talk to the school - to no avail. It seems the TEACHER - not a psychologist or psychiatrist or even a doctor, but a TEACHER ordered the drugging.

The last I heard she had hired a lawyer that she couldn't afford to take the school to court and is charging the school and the teacher personally for practicing psychiatry without a license. I hope she sues them senseless - but more than that, I hope there has been no permanent damage to that wonderful child.

I hope the teacher gets fired! And I hope the mom gets enough money to cover her legal fees, at the very least. If a kid's so smart that he's bored by the class material, gee whiz, used to be they would let him skip a grade! Anyhow, good points, all...I went to grade school in the '80s and whenever I scraped my knee, all I ever expected to get was some Neosporin and a band-aid!

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Patrician

15 years ago

Come on I know it seems like everybody is hyper-vigilent now, but let's face it - we have had some real catastrophies since 1959 that have caused some of this.

In 1959 did we have any kids who shot and killed a mass of teachers and students? Did we have teachers having affairs with 14 year olds? Daycare accused of satanic pedophelia? Kids having sex at 13?

Of course everybody blames the schools and the police rather than the absentee parents who expect teachers to raise their kids for them. I am not saying any of what is happening now is right or better and most of it is knee-jerk reactionary to be sure. MISPLACED, but they are playing CYA.

Hitting children in the name of discipline is too weird. Teaches them to deal with issues by violence. Teaches them to hate and to feel victimized. Teaches them to act out to get attention. Confuses them that they only get attention when they are bad. Teaches them 'Love Hurts' (we are doing this because we love you)...

Not saying discipline is wrong - Kids need and want to be cared about and to have structure. Figure some way to do that without violence.

Did we have 9/11? Did we have Manson and Son of Sam? How about kids that lived in closets all their lives or were abused until they died? Whoops. Nobody noticed anything because we have 'rights'.

Everything is screwed in backwards. Case in point = remove '1984' and allow porn in public libraries. Makes no sense except for civil rights for perverts.

Remove prayer and allow people not to say the pledge of allegiance because why again?

I love the story where someone asks God - where were you when Columbine was happening? Where were you at (and a laundry list of episodic school violence).

Finally He answers and says 'oh sorry, I'm not allowed in schools'...

Coincidence?

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Killer Joe 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

In 1959 did we have any kids who shot and killed a mass of teachers and students?

Actually, and unfortunately we did. And I will give you a personal example. But here is the big difference today...

The news media as a profit center.

Back in the day the FCC required TV stations, as an example, to donate a small amount of air time to be devoted to addressing matters pertaining to public awareness on issues that may or may not affect the public.

News at that point in time was rarely profitable over the airwaves as advertisers did not want to be associated with what could arguably be a grouping of negetive stories some of which were rather disturbing. Newspapers on the other hand made profits thru sales of tangible goods. Paper vs electrons, if you will.

Over time that changed as the personalities became more credible (Walter Cronkite, et al) as well as appealing (the 'beautiful' talking heads). In essence, it was a maturing of the niche.

So let me give a personal example of this...

In 1976, thereabouts, I hired an eighteen year old young man who could get an early release from prison if he had a job waiting for him. I hired him to work in my upholstry shop. I didn't know his crime at the time, so after getting to know him a little and I asked him what he had done to earn incarceration since the age of thirteen.

He said by the time he was thirteen he had stolen 52 cars and the judge told him that if he ever appeared in front of him again he would put him behind bars until he was eighteen. So I asked him if stole his 53rd car and this is what he told me.

He took his fathers 12ga shotgun to school and opened fire on a group of teachers who were gathered together. He thought that would make him the school hero, but has soon as he saw the damage he was inflicting he instantly recognized he was doing the wrong thing. If you could have seen the look in this childs' eyes as he was telling me this story you could truely see how deeply he regretted his actions. It was as if he was literally trying to crawl inside himself and hide from the shame. I've never seen that in another person either before or since.

Fortunately he didn't kill anyone, although he said he almost took an arm off of one of the female teachers.

Again, this was 1971 when this happened. 38 years ago. It never saw the light of day on the national news. Today, he would be frontpage news.

The point I'm trying to make here is that human nature, including all the idiotic mistakes people make has not changed all that much over the last 50 years. What has changed is the focus we put on things. We as a society have demonstrated to advertisers, networks, and the like, that we are a society of rubberneckers, gossipers, and finger pointers, and that money can be made from feeding our cravings.

The 'news media' is just giving us what we want, and in turn we are rewarding them for doing so. Quite the circle, no?

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Dave Patterson

15 years ago

@ Pat

....as written..and we ain't seen nothing yet!

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addison2015

15 years ago

The swat team is good and are very concious during figt,they knew that what they are going to do,so best of luck.

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HeySal

15 years ago

KJ -
I don't agree with that -well, maybe to a point but.........media is now corporately owned. They are bought and paid for and there are things that they are TOLD to run and things they are not ALLOWED to run. If you look at the ownership of ABC (the All Barrack Channel) you can tell who the corporate owner's friends are and where much of their money is coming from. They will put in some "soft" news to soak in the "inquiring minds want to know" crowd - then serve up a dish of what our politicians and corporations want us to think on top of it. Corporate owned news is nothing but a propaganda machine to shape the minds of the masses and keep them quiet and happy, completely unaware of what is being done to them.

There was recently an attempt to further consolidate news media under one of the current owners of many channels who happens to be a pal of the Bush family. There was legislation on this consolidation - and almost no news coverage of a piece of legislation that would have put our news presses and airwaves in almost soul ownership of our government. So what happened with that legislation? Anyone know? Anyone even hear about it? Anyone even give a rats ass or understand the situation?

People in this country need to get privvy and do it real fast. After all BO's talk about youth "volunteer" camps, you'd think that more people would understand the implications of the gov roles in our schools - and why so many screamed about a seemingly "harmless" speech.

What drugs are they recommending for YOUR kids at your schools? What books have they banned? How many new and improved psychological disorders are they detecting in your kid's classrooms? How much of the teaching going on is consisting of what to think instead of how to think? How challenged is your child being? Are they bored with courses way too simple or is there an effort to see the child excel?

If you are being told how to raise your child - you are not a parent - you are only the slave labor for the State that is being used to raise their livestock. Better start thinking about it - and acting upon it.

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Killer Joe

15 years ago

Sal,

It would be hard to argue about most of your points.

And this Freudian slip "...almost soul ownership of our government" sure says a lot about the Devil's influence today.

KJ

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HeySal

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Sal,

It would be hard to argue about most of your points.

And this Freudian slip "...almost soul ownership of our government" sure says a lot about the Devil's influence today.

KJ

Not so Freudian - who owns our gov? Goldman Sachs. The FED. Who owns the news media........................

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Killer Joe 15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Not so Freudian - who owns our gov? Goldman Sachs. The FED. Who owns the news media........................

LOL, I was referring to your use of the word 'soul' instead of 'sole'.

KJ
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- HeySal 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Killer Joe
  
  LOL, I was referring to your use of the word 'soul' instead of 'sole'.
  
  KJ
  
  LMAO - didn't see that. Well, uh...you're not going to order me drugged for that one are you? I just mashed one sentence to hell and back in another thread. If that doesn't qualify me for forced gangha....I don't wanna know about it.
  
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Patrician

15 years ago

well, at least I got it, Bill.

Fillet of Soul.

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