Should I Go With The iPad Pro 12.9? What Do You Think?

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6 years ago

When you need a proper Laptop Computer it's best to actually buy one instead of this hybrid tablet thingy. There is this company called Microsoft, you may have heard of them? They make this very stable functional software called Windows 10. And, you could possibly buy 3 laptops or possibly one really high spec one with this software on them for the price you would be paying for this dysfunctional, overpriced pile of junk.

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

When you need a proper Laptop Computer it's best to actually buy one instead of this hybrid tablet thingy. There is this company called Microsoft, you may have heard of them? They make this very stable functional software called Windows 10. And, you could possibly buy 3 laptops or possibly one really high spec one with this software on them for the price you would be paying for this dysfunctional, overpriced pile of junk.

Hmmm, the cats come out to play when Big Frank is away.

Windows 10 stable,....sure after a few more forced, restart your computer whenever it wants updates it might be?

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RazvanRogozC

6 years ago

I "love" it how this became a pro Windows debate when I've just asked about advice on the iPad 12.9. I actually had Windows based laptops. They were ThinkPads. They were between $1500 and $3000 a piece. Maybe you've heard of them. And honestly, while the hardware was amazing, the OS was still a piece of crap. I've lost more work in a month on Windows due to crashes and runtime errors than I've lost in two years on MacOS. But what do I know? I just have a background in computer science. I just pulled my hair out with Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows XP and Windows Vista. After that point, I've decided to just end my torture. But I guess I'm like every other idiot who buys Apple because it is shinny and hip, right?

Leaving the rant aside, I want to stay in the IOS / MacOS eco-system due to my entire setup, from the time capsule due to my extensive use of iCloud and the Apple eco-system but also because I've developed my workflow around IOS / MacOS, not to mention hundreds of dollars invested in software and apps. I was thinking about the same thing - it is like a coffee table. I can't keep it in bed and actually read a book on it so this means I'll have to use two iPads, which kind of beats the purpose. But I don't want to get the new MacBooks due to their new keyboard (it is not bad, it simply feels mushy) and I don't intend on switching from MacOS due to my reliance on my existing workflow.

Plus, not having a mouse actually improves my productivity dramatically. It goes against my natural instincts to multi-task. As I've said, actually working on a tablet proved to be far, far more productive than working on a laptop, as I need to focus on one thing at a time. Maybe the 10.5? But it's not that big of a difference compared to my iPad Mini. I think ideally I should find a way to rent one, use it for one week, understand on a day to day basis how I can interact with it and then decide. Or I can simply buy it and return it within the return period but I'm really eager to hear about impressions from people who use an iPad 12.9 as a daily driver. No review or spec sheet can replace the day to day impressions of using it.

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by RazvanRogozC

I "love" it how this became a pro Windows debate when I've just asked about advice on the iPad 12.9. I actually had Windows based laptops. They were ThinkPads. They were between $1500 and $3000 a piece. Maybe you've heard of them. And honestly, while the hardware was amazing, the OS was still a piece of crap. I've lost more work in a month on Windows due to crashes and runtime errors than I've lost in two years on MacOS. But what do I know? I just have a background in computer science. I just pulled my hair out with Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows XP and Windows Vista. After that point, I've decided to just end my torture. But I guess I'm like every other idiot who buys Apple because it is shinny and hip, right?

Leaving the rant aside, I want to stay in the IOS / MacOS eco-system due to my entire setup, from the time capsule due to my extensive use of iCloud and the Apple eco-system but also because I've developed my workflow around IOS / MacOS, not to mention hundreds of dollars invested in software and apps. I was thinking about the same thing - it is like a coffee table. I can't keep it in bed and actually read a book on it so this means I'll have to use two iPads, which kind of beats the purpose. But I don't want to get the new MacBooks due to their new keyboard (it is not bad, it simply feels mushy) and I don't intend on switching from MacOS due to my reliance on my existing workflow.

Plus, not having a mouse actually improves my productivity dramatically. It goes against my natural instincts to multi-task. As I've said, actually working on a tablet proved to be far, far more productive than working on a laptop, as I need to focus on one thing at a time. Maybe the 10.5? But it's not that big of a difference compared to my iPad Mini. I think ideally I should find a way to rent one, use it for one week, understand on a day to day basis how I can interact with it and then decide. Or I can simply buy it and return it within the return period but I'm really eager to hear about impressions from people who use an iPad 12.9 as a daily driver. No review or spec sheet can replace the day to day impressions of using it.

True that others are crapping on Apple, but l guess that the keyboard is welded to the circuit board, so there is that. They are frickin expensive and hard to repair yourself.

But if you need it for work, then fair enough.

If XP crashed with what you were doing, then w7Pro, (what l have) would probably do the same, although l do high end graphics, and the OS has never crashed on me.

Windows 10, lol, that piece of s**t crashed within three days, on turning my new laptop on, so l got rid of it.

Thinkpads, (l looked it up) just seems like a streamlined Laptop?

I have a Tosh, i7, 1tb, 16ram, 15" Laptop myself, which l got for the $1500 mark. And no doubt the 3k ones have SSD and probably no DVD drive, but that is probably getting into Alienware Laptops.

Although l bought my one direct from the Chinese company, and it took 5 weeks to get here, but it was worth it.

Australia, due to some order stuffup, isn't selling high end Tosh, Laptops, and all new Laptop only have w10.

I wouldn't wish w10 on my worst enemy.

My one is duel core instead of quad, but that is ok, l rarely go over 4 operations at a time, and my version of Photoshop rarely utilizes hyperthreading.

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by RazvanRogozC

I "love" it how this became a pro Windows debate when I've just asked about advice on the iPad 12.9. I actually had Windows based laptops. They were ThinkPads. They were between $1500 and $3000 a piece. Maybe you've heard of them. And honestly, while the hardware was amazing, the OS was still a piece of crap. I've lost more work in a month on Windows due to crashes and runtime errors than I've lost in two years on MacOS. But what do I know? I just have a background in computer science. I just pulled my hair out with Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows XP and Windows Vista. After that point, I've decided to just end my torture. But I guess I'm like every other idiot who buys Apple because it is shinny and hip, right?

Leaving the rant aside, I want to stay in the IOS / MacOS eco-system due to my entire setup, from the time capsule due to my extensive use of iCloud and the Apple eco-system but also because I've developed my workflow around IOS / MacOS, not to mention hundreds of dollars invested in software and apps. I was thinking about the same thing - it is like a coffee table. I can't keep it in bed and actually read a book on it so this means I'll have to use two iPads, which kind of beats the purpose. But I don't want to get the new MacBooks due to their new keyboard (it is not bad, it simply feels mushy) and I don't intend on switching from MacOS due to my reliance on my existing workflow.

Plus, not having a mouse actually improves my productivity dramatically. It goes against my natural instincts to multi-task. As I've said, actually working on a tablet proved to be far, far more productive than working on a laptop, as I need to focus on one thing at a time. Maybe the 10.5? But it's not that big of a difference compared to my iPad Mini. I think ideally I should find a way to rent one, use it for one week, understand on a day to day basis how I can interact with it and then decide. Or I can simply buy it and return it within the return period but I'm really eager to hear about impressions from people who use an iPad 12.9 as a daily driver. No review or spec sheet can replace the day to day impressions of using it.

"I just have a background in computer science. I just pulled my hair out with Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows XP and Windows Vista. After that point, I've decided to just end my torture"

Ah, I see the problem. Microsoft got it right after Vista, but you opted out just before they did. Consider borrowing a modern Windows 10 machine and using it for a couple of weeks.

I have nothing really against Apple apart from their prices and lack of ports, but come on, an Ipad of any description for any serious productivity work?, At least buy a Macbook Air or something. Get a real computer.

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RazvanRogozC

6 years ago

It's not that expensive to fix ... but it costs quite a bit.

I may go to China, in Shenzhen- heard that it is a lot cheaper to go there and I was planning on heading that direction anyway. The costs range from $110 to $250 to repair it. The thing is that it is not the entire keyboard that's broken, I've just broke the caps of a key (the metal cap that's holding the key) while cleaning it. Maybe I can get it for cheaper.

What's sure is that I'm not messing with the internals anymore, not even cleaning the keys and the fact that I need to change the entire uni-body sucks. So based on the costs I'll either find a way to repair it or I'll use it with an external device.

ThinkPads were quite good in the past.

They were the premium business laptops with magnesium chassis and great features (fingerprint sensors before they were a thing). They were also freakin' expensive. Hardware wise, there was nothing to complain - good battery, good keyboard, good trackball but Windows has always been a pain in the ass if you ask me.

I remember the day when I've said enough - I was working on a sales letter, I was 2500 words in and the entire system crashed. I've tried manually opening the auto-save file but it was corrupted. I tried the source but that failed too.

In that moment I've said - enough.

First I got Linux (Ubuntu) which did a decent enough job (I don't think Linux ever crashed for me) but Linux doesn't really play nice with many devices nor do you have that much software available for it.

So finally I've got MacOS which for me is Linux + good compabilitiy. Since then, I've never lost work again.

I saw a nice laptop today, FX550 from Asus. It is a gaming laptop, GForce 1050, 8GB of RAM, i5, at the same price as an iPad Pro + keyboard. Spec wise is great but I don't game anymore and I need battery life a lot more than I need specs.

So I guess I'll wait and see. Maybe I can find someone to take pity on me and fix my keyboard. The key physically functions but someone must fix the metal holders with some tool and change a few caps that I've broken. In theory, this should be enough to fix it for good, in practice, I kind of want an excuse to upgrade anyway

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by RazvanRogozC

It's not that expensive to fix ... but it costs quite a bit.

ThinkPads were quite good in the past.

They were the premium business laptops with magnesium chassis and great features (fingerprint sensors before they were a thing). They were also freakin' expensive. Hardware wise, there was nothing to complain - good battery, good keyboard, good trackball but Windows has always been a pain in the ass if you ask me.

I remember the day when I've said enough - I was working on a sales letter, I was 2500 words in and the entire system crashed. I've tried manually opening the auto-save file but it was corrupted. I tried the source but that failed too.

In that moment I've said - enough.

First I got Linux (Ubuntu) which did a decent enough job (I don't think Linux ever crashed for me) but Linux doesn't really play nice with many devices nor do you have that much software available for it.

So finally I've got MacOS which for me is Linux + good compabilitiy. Since then, I've never lost work again.

I saw a nice laptop today, FX550 from Asus. It is a gaming laptop, GForce 1050, 8GB of RAM, i5, at the same price as an iPad Pro + keyboard. Spec wise is great but I don't game anymore and I need battery life a lot more than I need specs.

So I guess I'll wait and see. Maybe I can find someone to take pity on me and fix my keyboard. The key physically functions but someone must fix the metal holders with some tool and change a few caps that I've broken. In theory, this should be enough to fix it for good, in practice, I kind of want an excuse to upgrade anyway

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Mine is a business class one, since it has a matt screen, thin chassis, but not the fingerprint reg, or a touch screen.

We have all had times where the OS has messup in some way, but over time we get better at spotting issues.

I have spent the last 10 years with window XP and 7, and briefly tried 10, but that crashed within 3 days.

You could try to fix it yourself?

How to: Macbook Air keyboard replacement guide -...

Just look for the same make, or product number, (keyboard) on Ebay or whatever, and order that.

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DWolfe

6 years ago

First off let the OP make his choice for what he needs. Personally to save a little money he could buy a Factory Refurbished model if he wants.

Shane knock it off. I have 2 computers that run Windows 10 for over a year now. Only had 1 issue with the Laptop, but I swear the problem was more with the Geek Squad at Bestbuy then the OS. They tried to sell me a new computer saying the hard drive and battery were bad. It was just the battery there lost they could of had a nice repair and a repeat customer.

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by DWolfe

First off let the OP make his choice for what he needs. Personally to save a little money he could buy a Factory Refurbished model if he wants.

Shane knock it off. I have 2 computers that run Windows 10 for over a year now. Only had 1 issue with the Laptop, but I swear the problem was more with the Geek Squad at Bestbuy then the OS. They tried to sell me a new computer saying the hard drive and battery were bad. It was just the battery there lost they could of had a nice repair and a repeat customer.

Knock it off, pffft. ok, if you don't intend to run old software on it, then it might be fine.

And old games apparently.

And you backup constantly to safeguard against, random updates that decide to restart.

And it restricting certain sensitive sites online, (knew a friend who tried to access crime sites for her Criminal investigation course).

And the aversion to transparencies around borders, (although an update allows 30+ flat colors now).

Take all of that away and l am sure it is better than Windows 93.

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Knock it off, pffft. ok, if you don't intend to run old software on it, then it might be fine.

And old games apparently.

And you backup constantly to safeguard against, random updates that decide to restart.

And it restricting certain sensitive sites online, (knew a friend who tried to access crime sites for her Criminal investigation course).

And the aversion to transparencies around borders, (although an update allows 30+ flat colors now).

Take all of that away and l am sure it is better than Windows 93.

Still running a nearly 9 year old O/S (Windows 7 came out in 2009) and a nearly 13 year old version of photoshop which was never really intended for doing flyers anyway. But you'r stuck in your little bubble and do not want to fork out the paltry monthly fee that gives you the latest and greatest. Sad.

I had a Win 7 laptop. It was much better than Vista but still had it's problems. Been running Windows 10 for a couple of years now with no problems.

That's why I am recommending it to the O/P

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Still running a nearly 9 year old O/S (Windows 7 came out in 2009) and a nearly 13 year old version of photoshop which was never really intended for doing flyers anyway. But you'r stuck in your little bubble and do not want to fork out the paltry monthly fee that gives you the latest and greatest. Sad.

I had a Win 7 laptop. It was much better than Vista but still had it's problems. Been running Windows 10 for a couple of years now with no problems.

That's why I am recommending it to the O/P

Never really intended, lol, Adobe's core market is and always has been advertising agencies, and l bet they do their fare share of posters for clients.

Little bubble sure, l don't like to p***s away money, especially for billion dollar corporations.

Paulty, l don't call $56 AU a month to get a working copy of cs2 and illustrator paultry, or the equivalent of handing over a $1500 dollar Laptop to Adobe every few years.

Adding to the fact that the updated version of cs2 cloud version, has several key actions gone, (which l use regularly) one new useless one, and some 3D thing that needs w10 to work, (l have tried it).

The international character table is the only real plus, and l can get the next best thing on illustrator.

Latest and the greatest, lol, well it is the latest, but that is about all.

And l agree Windows 7 isn't perfect and has the occasional issue, but that partially depends on whether you have updates on or off.

I left updates ON, on my w7 home one, and 6 years later, the volume control was half of the volume it used to get, (had to use some third party one to get around it) and the annoying cannot save a file to the desktop as 1, 2, 3 without it forcing you to save it in some file with a number, and it destroying cs2, so the tabs would go haywire, and Microsoft messing about with system restore, if you don't accept the cs2 dogs breakfast update....

And l recently learned that l cannot restore my old laptop to factory settings anymore?

As well as learning from others online that the latest updates are cripping some w7 systems, so they are forced into 10.

I don't particularly like corporations forcing me to pay endlessly for something that used to be free after the transaction, but l found a workaround.

My latest Laptop has updates turned off for the last 9 months, the OS, works perfectly, so so much for the scare BS.

Sure if someone with 10, doesn't use it much or only for browsing it is probably fine, but it depends on the application and cost.

cs2 costs $1000, same with cs3+, and windows 10 dogs breakfasts it within a few days.

When l installed it, (cs2) it worked perfectly, and Microsoft knew that l had installed with the two Adobe add's pupping up every time l started the OS.

And a few days later after some updates, it was a mess again, so l used system restore and it made cs2 unusable or error messages kept occuring.

So l reverted it back, as tabs disappearing is better than error messages and not being able to save.

And it went into its blue screen of death and maybe it may have fixed itself, but l reverted it back to factory settings.

Second time l only installed the 30 day free trial one, but nope same thing.

Adobe and apparently Microsoft are determined to get everyone onto paying forever, which is good for them!

And my friend in the criminal investigations course tried to access, mass murder sites with w10, no prob, first time, but second she was blocked, and p***s off.

Plently more horror stories with people trying to play games with this oS, and others on a live feed gameplay, getting blocked because of some force update.

And others losing a days worth of video editing since this OS decides to update and restart your computer.

As well as my accountant friend having to use a computer with a previous OS, since MYOB won't work with w10.

And it updating drivers so some games won't work anymore and printers and software, etc.

No if you hardly use your computer, and aren't bothered with ascetics then get 10, but for video editors, game designers, dedicated game player, and graphic artists avoid it at all costs!

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6 years ago

"No if you hardly use your computer, and aren't bothered with ascetics then get 10, but for video editors, game designers, dedicated game player, and graphic artists avoid it at all costs!"

Or they just buy/update to the latest versions that do work without any issues. Functionality only improves over time. That's why our core program that we use at work (a 93,000 student complex of colleges) for administration is updated every year, A little testing is required and a few quirks ironed out but the overall result is an improvement in usage. We all run windows 10 as well.

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

"No if you hardly use your computer, and aren't bothered with ascetics then get 10, but for video editors, game designers, dedicated game player, and graphic artists avoid it at all costs!"

Or they just buy/update to the latest versions that do work without any issues. Functionality only improves over time. That's why our core program that we use at work (a 93,000 student complex of colleges) for administration is updated every year, A little testing is required and a few quirks ironed out but the overall result is an improvement in usage. We all run windows 10 as well.

No, you cannot buy the latest Photoshop anymore, or if you ring them and try to order cs6, then it has a question mark on it, whether it will work on any OS past 8.1.

Update: You Can No Longer Buy CS6 from Adobe – Here’s Why | ProDesignTools

So l spend $1,500 on CS6 after ringing them and pestering them to sell me one, then buy a $1,500 laptop with 10 on it and hope that some update doesn't wreck it?

That or, as they said, most of our customers are going on the cloud, so we are concentrating our efforts on that.

I bet they are!

I would say a good part have no choice, and the ones that cannot afford $1,500 have no choice. And the ones that are left, decide that $1,500 or $2000+ to buy some software they may not work one day is too risky to attempt, and have no choice.

So it looks like a graphic artist, (unless they love the cloud one) should stay with w7 or 8.1 and cs2 up to 6, if they can find someone with a copy.

At least l can go on a nice holiday in three years time on the $1,800 l save, by not having to cough up to this greedy corporation.

So, yeah, graphic artists need to keep away from w10!

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

No, you cannot buy the latest Photoshop anymore, or if you ring them and try to order cs6, then it has a question mark on it, whether it will work on any OS past 8.1.

Update: You Can No Longer Buy CS6 from Adobe - Here's Why | ProDesignTools

So l spend $1,500 on CS6 after ringing them and pestering them to sell me one, then buy a $1,500 laptop with 10 on it and hope that some update doesn't wreck it?

That or, as they said, most of our customers are going on the cloud, so we are concentrating our efforts on that.

I bet they are!

I would say a good part have no choice, and the ones that cannot afford $1,500 have no choice. And the ones that are left, decide that $1,500 or $2000+ to buy some software they may not work one day is too risky to attempt, and have no choice.

So it looks like a graphic artist, (unless they love the cloud one) should stay with w7 or 8.1 and cs2 up to 6, if they can find someone with a copy.

At least l can go on a nice holiday in three years time on the $1,800 l save, by not having to cough up to this greedy corporation.

So, yeah, graphic artists need to keep away from w10!

You just can't let go can you.

From the article you linked to:

So really the only path forward for Adobe creative products now is CC, which are considered better tools anyway, or you can downgrade them to use CS6 instead - because Creative Cloud subscribers can choose either or both versions.

With Creative Cloud, all ongoing upgrades, compatibility updates and product additions are always included - so becoming obsolete will never happen. The monthly payments are also more budget-friendly in the new model than in the old CS model - where the software used to cost many hundreds or often thousands of dollars upfront, and never evolved.

The "budget friendly" part of the above is the (ahem) money quote. You can shell out big bucks for software that is obsolete here and now, or you can shell out a few dollars a month and never have to worry about upgrades or compatibility issues ever again. Or you can whinge and moan about the world has changed and left you behind.

Sane people would choose the second of these options (a modest monthly payment). You have chosen the last option, and continue to moan about how hard done by you are because you refuse to move with the times.

Also remember that if you're using the software for business purposes, the cost (whether it's a one-off or subscription) is tax deductible. So you'd get anywhere between 19% and 45% of the cost back when you do your tax return.

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6 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

You just can't let go can you.

From the article you linked to:

The "budget friendly" part of the above is the (ahem) money quote. You can shell out big bucks for software that is obsolete here and now, or you can shell out a few dollars a month and never have to worry about upgrades or compatibility issues ever again. Or you can whinge and moan about the world has changed and left you behind.

Sane people would choose the second of these options (a modest monthly payment). You have chosen the last option, and continue to moan about how hard done by you are because you refuse to move with the times.

Also remember that if you're using the software for business purposes, the cost (whether it's a one-off or subscription) is tax deductible. So you'd get anywhere between 19% and 45% of the cost back when you do your tax return.

Yes, the Adobe article! The link l provided is biased towards the cloud option as they make more money from it.

This one isn't.

https://www.all-things-photography.c...photoshop-cs2/

Very little difference between cs2 and 6, so unless l was into doing fancy logo's, or loved cheap and nasty edge affects, 6 isn't required.

But granted cs3, (tried it) and later versions start faster, than cs2, but l can live with that.

You have a point with the tax thing, but not much of a saving with a 20% discount.

Bitch and moan, no, l am more on the sidelines, seeing how a greedy corporation works, and reading stories about cash strapped individuals losing cs2 when they get w10.

Modest, lol, $15 is modest, or $20 a month is modest, $30 is tolerable, $50 or more is quite a lot.

Sane, lol, well l am almost $500 better off since l got the new laptop and got rid of w10, with further savings at least til this new Laptop seizes up for good, (which based on my last one should be at least 6 years).

So, yeah, l will have saved about $3,500 by the time this Laptop may seize up, so if that is insane l will take it.

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