Cigarettes Over $9 A Pack? Damn!

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I was at WalMart the other day and ended up checking out in the tobacco aisle and happened to notice the price of name brand cigs, over $9 a pack, damn!

How can anyone afford to smoke them any longer?

You could save a little when you bought a carton at around $85 LOL

I wish the prices were at that level when my dad was younger, perhaps he would have quit because he could not afford the 3 pack a day habit that ultimately ended up killing him, ten years after he actually quit.

Scot
  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    I quit 10 years ago when they were $3.35 a pack. I quit for many reasons, but one was I couldn't see spending that much money on suicide. LOL! Now it's ridiculous.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark_w
    To compare, in the UK 2 years ago they were about £5.50 for major brands. Now, closer to £6 I think. £6 = approx $9, but back 2-3 years ago when £1=$2, that would mean $11 cigs.

    Don't get me started on petrol (gas) prices too!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Scot where the heck are you? I freak out when I see 6 bucks. I smoke small cigars that look like cigarettes. Fewer additives and only 1.95 a pack with tax.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    HeySal,

    I'm in Wisconsin, think we just instituted yet another $1 per pack tax last month to help pay for our big government

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    It's been almost 3 years since I quit, and I smoked for close to 40 years. When I started it was about a quarter a pack. (course gas was 13 cents a gallon)
    I just came from 7-11 and saw it said name brand cigarettes 3.93 a pack if you buy two packs. I didn't see how much for a single pack,but I know its higher.
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    Hey Scott, you should be happy, it's not really good for your health.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Ah cripes - there's one in every crowd.

    Oshkosh is in Wisconsin? LOL. Okay, I wondered about where that old saying originated.
    Actual cigarettes are between 4 and 6 here in ID. There are one or two brands that you can still get for under 4 here and Oregon, but not many.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
      Here in Edmonton it's $10.50 for a 20 pack and $13 for a 25 pack.
      That's the low end of the scale.

      It's all the oil money, the merchants feel they can gouge us for everything.
      You can't spit without hitting a BMW, and over the summer I've seen several
      Lamborghinis, a couple Ferraris, four Maseratis and an Aston Martin DBS.
      That's just in the area around downtown.

      Until my sales blast through the stratosphere, it might be time to move.
      And stop smoking...
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  • Profile picture of the author baliblue
    I lived in Australia all my life until 9 months ago. When I left, a pack of smokes was around $12. I moved to Bali where a pack cost a little over one dollar.

    Its great. The more you smoke the more you save.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bakai
    This creates a new business opportunity. I may start growing tobacco in my backyard instead of that wacky green stuff. More profitable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by Bakai View Post

      that wacky green stuff.
      Stick with the green stuff you're at least making something happen unlike the uselessness of tobacco.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        Stick with the green stuff you're at least making something happen unlike the uselessness of tobacco.
        Toabacco isn't useless - it helps fight glaucoma and the nicotine is extremely effective in controlling nervous disorders. The problem comes with the burning material and the addition of many absolute poisons to the tobacco during processing - you can get additive free cigarettes, and while the Gov likes to say there is no difference - one quick look at the required warning on the side of the pack will tell you otherwise. A doctor who has studied multi-national stats smoking/morbidity and independent research will also tell you different than the published and pushed results. There are many studies that do not add up to the propaganda.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Toabacco isn't useless - it helps fight glaucoma and the nicotine is extremely effective in controlling nervous disorders. The problem comes with the burning material and the addition of many absolute poisons to the tobacco during processing - you can get additive free cigarettes, and while the Gov likes to say there is no difference - one quick look at the required warning on the side of the pack will tell you otherwise. A doctor who has studied multi-national stats smoking/morbidity and independent research will also tell you different than the published and pushed results. There are many studies that do not add up to the propaganda.
          I think you're talking about weed not tobacco for controlling glaucoma

          Nicotine acts as a stimulant in mammals. I'm not a doctor, but i dont think stimulants help nervous disorders with maybe the exception of add/adhd. It was considered a poison when it was discovered.

          There isn't anything good about tobacco to anyone except smokers. Smokers are no different than any other addict, they just like to tell themselves they are. But in reality, they are addicted to a product that kills 1 in 3 that use it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              So was penicillin, and how many lives has that saved? Are you suggesting that the fact that it was (allegedly) considered a poison when it was discovered implies that nobody should use it? Just wondering.
              No, the fact that its highly addictive with no real benefits for usage should be enough to imply that nobody should use it. Its a stimulant that aids in the production of ldl cholesterol. So its speeding your heart up, while at the same time helping to block your arteries, though it takes time to do that. And it still is considered a poison... the fact that its sold as a pesticide should tell you something.

              Nicotine's worst problems come usually from what it is associated with, which is tobacco, and the 4000+ chemicals that are in the average cigarette.

              Nicotine as in the e-cigarettes in my sig below, while still addictive, atleast doesnt come with the extras that go along with breathing in burning plant matter covered in pesticides, preservatives, and extra chemicals made specifically to increase your addiction to tobacco products.
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  So I'm told, but all of that has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

                  You said that it was considered a poison when it was discovered.

                  I'm asking whether or not it's your contention that the fact that something was considered a poison when it was discovered is a reason for nobody ever using it. So, which is it? Are you saying yes, that fact does mean that nobody should use it (in which case the same must apply to penicillin?), or no, that fact isn't in itself a reason for people not to use it (in which case I'm wondering why you mentioned it)?

                  That's not a question you can answer by lisiting other reasons why people might not like it, is it?
                  And it still is considered a poison... the fact that its sold as a pesticide should tell you something.
                  Is there a time when you would consider purposely injesting a pesticide a good thing?
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    • Profile picture of the author sanjid112
      Originally Posted by Mark_w View Post

      It's not much wonder so many people in Asia smoke when the price is so cheap (even taking into account standards of living etc).
      Even there is a warning in the package "Smoking can cause health problems and the fetus, cancer, blah ... blah ... blah ..."

      Originally Posted by Bakai View Post

      This creates a new business opportunity. I may start growing tobacco in my backyard instead of that wacky green stuff. More profitable.
      It is really profitable. My friend has almost 2 hectares of tobacco. He could buy 3 houses and 2 luxury cars from one harvest only. At least, that what he told me. If he lies, dunno about it. :p

      -Malik
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Depends on where you shop. If I go to Fred Meyer, the store known as Kroger in other parts of the country, a pack costs about $7. At Safeway, about $8. At the local gas station, about $9. At Walgreen's, about $6. Head to an actual smoke shop, and you can get them for just over $5.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Wow...I can't believe how much cigarettes are everywhere...I quit about 6 years ago, was up to 3 1/2 packs a day.

    You can find a pack of Marlboro in Las Vegas for about $5...I thought that was bad.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Wow...I can't believe how much cigarettes are everywhere...I quit about 6 years ago, was up to 3 1/2 packs a day.
      I quit seven years ago, then started up again last year and I'm back up to just under half a pack daily. I keep cutting it back by a couple, and then it ramps back up again, and I cut back... I'll quit again, eventually. Probably take another year or so to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    When we lived in China we used to use our duty free to take them back to a friend in the UK. A pack of 200 was like $10. Think from Hong Kong it is like $30 for 200
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark_w
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      When we lived in China we used to use our duty free to take them back to a friend in the UK. A pack of 200 was like $10. Think from Hong Kong it is like $30 for 200
      It's not much wonder so many people in Asia smoke when the price is so cheap (even taking into account standards of living etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author wirelessgeek
    At those prices, I'm not sure how anyone can afford to smoke, unless you're Donald Trump or something. I'm not a smoker but I try not to be hypocritical about it; I have my little bad habits, too. I'm sure they would be maybe a couple bucks cheaper if it wasn't for government wanting to tax cigarettes to whazoo...Of course, in my state, they bumped up the sales tax on soda pop and junk food just recently, too. They say it's to pay for dental care for poor people but I'm not so sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author forrar
    In Lithuania pack of cigarettes was $1 USD, now they cost $4-5 USD
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      I myself has taken all the negative facts of smoking. That is why I decided to look for an alternative because I just cannot quit. Right now I am using VirtuSmoke. It is safe and inexpensive. It worked for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author antiquenh
    A friend of mine in the Philippines says that name brand packs there are only around 70 cents. Then again, a lot of things there are cheaper than here in the US.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrnightowl
    Thats why I moved to Mexico... Pack of Marbs here only $1.75 and for Mexican brand Delicados only $1.25 by the pack. Cheaper yet by the cartoon or from the market where its probably stolen but still cheap... Just like dvds are 10 pesos.. there are 13 pesos in a dollar right now.

    Not really the reason I moved here but sounds good

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  • Profile picture of the author HomeBizNizz
    We pay 90 NOK here in Norway.
    Should come to 16 dollar.
    One dollar is 5 NOK.

    Yeah, gasoline is 2,2 dollar per liter.
    A gallon is 7,7 dollar.

    We like to be robbed by the government in taxes and fees.
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  • Profile picture of the author tutpeyst023
    Whats that, a Cuban cigar? I can already smoke Marlboro for less than a dollar here in my side of the earth. Unfair Lol
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    • Profile picture of the author mrnightowl
      Originally Posted by tutpeyst023 View Post

      Whats that, a Cuban cigar? I can already smoke Marlboro for less than a dollar here in my side of the earth. Unfair Lol
      Can get a box of Cuban cigars and real aged Cuban rum for about $20USD or 280 to 300 pesos.

      But damn there are a lot of mean people in this forum. lol Must be nice to be perfect eh? HA!

      Marijuana cost about $15USD for 1/2 ounce(14.4 grams). Mafia and the cartels help keep the cost low for that but at a price of 10 or so murders a week related to the cartels in this city alone.

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      • Profile picture of the author Sosu
        Originally Posted by mrnightowl View Post

        Can get a box of Cuban cigars and real aged Cuban rum for about $20USD or 280 to 300 pesos.

        But damn there are a lot of mean people in this forum. lol Must be nice to be perfect eh? HA!

        Marijuana cost about $15USD for 1/2 ounce(14.4 grams). Mafia and the cartels help keep the cost low for that but at a price of 10 or so murders a week related to the cartels in this city alone.

        Eric.
        $20 for a box would most likely be Te Amos with Cohiba bands.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sophist
        Welcome to NYC. Its a good thing I don't smoke, never have, never will. I love my city.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheAge
          In Australia a pack of 25 Stuyvesants has reached the price of $14 at 7-11s. You can also find them at supermarkets for almost $12.50-$13.

          I'm quite sure the legislation has been passed to raise the price for a pack of 30 cigarettes to $19.

          Thank god I quit 4 weeks ago.... though I tell you what, the psychological addiction is still there.

          Even though I've quit, I don't believe the government has any right to tax cigarettes excessively, deciding what we can and can not put in our own bodies. It's ridiculous.

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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by TheAge View Post

            In Australia a pack of 25 Stuyvesants has reached the price of $14 at 7-11s. You can also find them at supermarkets for almost $12.50-$13.
            But that's AUD, not real money. :p
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            • Profile picture of the author IMHopeful
              A named brand pack here in ON Canada is over 11 USD. Though one can buy them from the nearest Native reserve for much less. If you buy Native brands you can buy an entire carton for 11USD. Smoking is definitely bad for you though - I don't endorse it.
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      • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
        Damn! I didn't know smokes were that much. The only time I smoke is when I'm out drinking and I bum them from my smoking friends.

        I think last time I bought a pack was 4 years ago and at that time it was $5...
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  • Profile picture of the author natscash
    You must really want lung cancer for spending that much on cigarettes.
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  • Profile picture of the author jnita
    Here in South Africa a pack of 20's is R25.00 (and sometimes you can get it for R22.50 if you know where to look).
    That converts to about $3.33
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  • Profile picture of the author Sosu
    When I owned a cigar shop, I charged $5.50 a pack. I did not care to sell them. So I overpriced them. You never see a cigar smoker out in the rain or cold. We enjoy without addiction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    No, because it was orignally thought of as a poison is not a sufficient reason to not use it now.

    However its toxicity to humans addictive qualities and its use in killing of insects should probably cover any gaps in 'why shouldnt i use nicotine regularly' discussions...wouldn't you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    I just smoke weed.






    Joking, i smoke cigarettes, Marlboro.

    Damn addiction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    But Michael, you are confusing an isolate of nicotine with tobacco. Native Americans were using tobacco for who knows how long, and I'm pretty sure they didn't say "Gee, the nicotine in this stuff is poisonous".

    I quit 14 or 15 years ago for a New Year's resolution (they really can work), and I think I was paying about $3/pack, but not entirely sure.

    They may be about $9 a pack at Wal-Mart, but I bet they are cheaper Oneida, Potowotami, Ho-Chunk, Dajope, Northern Lights, and so on.



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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      But Michael, you are confusing an isolate of nicotine with tobacco. Native Americans were using tobacco for who knows how long, and I'm pretty sure they didn't say "Gee, the nicotine in this stuff is poisonous".

      I quit 14 or 15 years ago for a New Year's resolution (they really can work), and I think I was paying about $3/pack, but not entirely sure.

      They may be about $9 a pack at Wal-Mart, but I bet they are cheaper Oneida, Potowotami, Ho-Chunk, Dajope, Northern Lights, and so on.



      All the best,
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      you're right, but
      (a) as their medical community wasn't quite as up to date as we are now, there's no telling how many native american deaths were caused by nicotine,
      (b) the native americans didnt slather the nicotine laden tobacco in over 4000 chemicals either.
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  • Profile picture of the author mbenton
    Okay, so if I go to Kentucky and load the van with Marlboros at $3 a pack, then drive to Wisconsin and sell them for $7 a pack...

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by mbenton View Post

      Okay, so if I go to Kentucky and load the van with Marlboros at $3 a pack, then drive to Wisconsin and sell them for $7 a pack...

      you'll probably get arrested
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    • Profile picture of the author Oscar D
      Originally Posted by mbenton View Post

      Okay, so if I go to Kentucky and load the van with Marlboros at $3 a pack, then drive to Wisconsin and sell them for $7 a pack...

      Nice business idea, not sure if that will be legal
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    • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
      Originally Posted by mbenton View Post

      Okay, so if I go to Kentucky and load the van with Marlboros at $3 a pack, then drive to Wisconsin and sell them for $7 a pack...

      Marlboros are over $5 a pack here, getting close to $6. You'd lose a lot of money if you did that on the gas. Even the local generics are never less than $4.

      I think the gov. if trying to force ppl to quit by making the price so high. :p Cig taxes are always being added on.
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  • Profile picture of the author AvidAZ
    Yeah, i don't smoke, but every time I travel you see people stocking up at the duty-frees. $7-$9 a pack is crazy.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I am a heavy smoker and have been for years, but I don't pay a dime for my habit. Just hang out where there is a lot of secondary smoke. Why pay for something that is so abundant and free?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I am a heavy smoker and have been for years, but I don't pay a dime for my habit. Just hang out where there is a lot of secondary smoke. Why pay for something that is so abundant and free?
        You'd really enjoy a place up the street from me then.

        A pool hall named...........The Smokehouse.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sosu
    I hate that cigars have the warning labels.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    Many non smokers don't care when the big government taxes smokes. They almost always say, "it's not good for you, so taxing it is a good idea". Eating cheeto's and wasting time watching sports doesn't contribute to the economy, like eating steak and watching educational videos.... Big G is afriad to tax sports and cheetos.... Just rambling.... Maybe.

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    PS: My attitude, "Govt, get out of my way." Does it show?

    PPS: Tobacco has healing properties, like EVERY PLANT does. The problem is that it is not smoked with "good thinking", and cigarettes are loaded full of chemicals, that the Big G allows. Wake up non smokers....
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Why to buy US grown pot - especially California High Grade. There may still be a few fields the illegal aliens haven't taken over. Don't support the criminal cartels which are a shade worse than just plain illegals. The cartels are just plain evil.

    I smoke additive free cigs for several years about 30 a day minimum. Now I am down to 10 max using puresmokeonline.com (pure smoke) electronic cigarettes.

    Nothing bad except nicotine. The filters are equivalent to a pack of cigs so it is running me about $15 for the equivalent of one carton (about $55) (note I actually buy them from a discount cigarette joint which is much cheaper than online. (the $15 cartridges are after the one time $40 cigarette with USB charger). - puresmoke is the only one made in the US that I know of.

    I can't understand how nicotine is an upper. The only drawback of the puresmoke is it puts me to sleep.

    The cartridges are stronger than my ultra lite cigs and I find myself wanting a cig sometimes while I am smoking it. (and I hate the feeling of not being able to keep my eyes open).

    Sooooo - it must be the carbon monoxide I am addicted to and not nicotine as everyone says, and nicotine must be a downer not an upper as everyone thinks (there is actually a debate whether it speeds us up or calms us down). I have to say down.

    Anyway - even at 10 I am doing better than 30. I am consistent for weeks now. I will beat this monkey eventually but know it can still kill you years after you quit. Whatever - 'they say it's going to kill me but they won't say when'
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  • Profile picture of the author pretty
    For me cigarette really damage our health.... I keep on advising my friends to stop smoking. It can really damage our lungs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    I'm paying $6.50-$7.50 a pack where Im at. It's atrocious, Im thinking about quitting simply because I dont like feeling like I'm smoking a five dollar bill.

    Now that would be a good anti-smoking commercial.

    Like the $5 foot long commercials for subway, only he smokes the fiver it instead of eats it.
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  • Profile picture of the author scharf1
    No matter how you sugar coat it, Smoking cigarettes and inhaling second-hand smoke shortens your life. The burning of the tobacco in cigarettes is what releases all the poisons that do Kill you. So instead of worrying about the cost of the cigarettes, think about what else you can spend all of that money on.

    Sorry just ranting, just lost my mom to cigarettes.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotslash
      Sooooo - it must be the carbon monoxide I am addicted to and not nicotine as everyone says, and nicotine must be a downer not an upper as everyone thinks (there is actually a debate whether it speeds us up or calms us down). I have to say down.
      You are right about the nicotine, the reason it appears to be an upper is because as soon as you stop taking it in - you will suffer increasing withdrawal symptoms. When you take in nicotine through whatever method, it relieves those symptoms so appears to give you a positive boost.

      Nicotine drags you down with the withdrawal symptoms, you just cure those when you have a smoke. Non smokers would never get the same feelings as they don't have the withdrawal symptoms.

      If you think about this when you have a smoke, and watch people who are having their first smoke of the day you can see it. They're just calming their withdrawal symptoms. It's a really sneaky drug !
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetfranky
    Wow, I remember the good ol' days when you could buy them $27 a pack. LOL that was 6 years ago... Oh sweet ciggy's how I miss you...
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    Hey mates,

    Think about this. I am reading a lot of posts here about the nicotine being the culprit, tobacco being the bad guy. If a little, just a little research is done, the "bad guy" in the equation are the chemicals they add into the cigarettes. Those cause addiction, cancer etc.

    It almost sounds here like the "marketers" or "internet marketers" are liars, cheats and evil discussions that other people have. Marketers and internet marketers are not liars, cheats or evil.... only a BAD FEW are.

    Nicotine and tobacco as far as smoking goes, they take a bad rap. So do we. As long as people don't make or point out distinctions.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    electronic cigarettes are a LOT cheaper. I've been turning people on to these things left and right and no complaints yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    Since the thread keeps going.... Check this out.

    "Why do smokers find it so hard to quit?"

    It will definitely challenge / change your thinking.


    Shot about 2 months ago, maybe it can contribute to the "controversy" of the smoking thread.

    If you would, vote it up and leave some comments there too.

    Thanks!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Why is it that every time someone mentions something like the cost of smoking we have to listen to a bunch of non smokers drooling all over how bad cigarettes are for you.

    There is one thing that is much more worse for your health than even the best pumped up propeganda against cigarettes.........

    SUGAR -- real sugar - fake sugar is nothing but pure poison, but real sugar is deadly..........

    So while all of you self righteous anti-smoking zealots are posting away on the evils of cigarettes I am betting that you are sucking down masses of sugars and fake sugars. Most of you are probably fat - which in today's chemical laden society means you are a walking ball of toxic waste.
    What have you eaten today - candy? canned soups? manufactured: bread, pastery, juices, packaged meals, gravies, pasta sauces, ice creams, cereals, condiments, soda, sugar as sugar, sweet'n'low, splenda, aspartame............the list goes on.

    You would not believe the cancers you are courting - the other illnesses that you can expect to succumb to - the breakdown of your blood brain barrier.

    Yet you feel so privileged and intelligent because you don't pick up cigarettes -even though 60% of lung cancer is contracted by non-smokers......yep - even good ole Dr. Mercola missed that one.

    SO.....if you have invaded this thread just to force your big opinions about smoking down our throats you are cordially invited to go take a flying **** at a rolling donut because after you eat your sugar and put on your sunblock (almost guaranteed to cause cancer), and inhale a few other toxins you are spreading around via personal care and cleaning products, your car, etc - you are no smarter than anyone you aim your BS at.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I don't smoke, but sugar is particularly very important to me in my morning coffee, and keeps me sweet. If I don't get my sugar fix everyday I can get really nasty and might grab someone by their health nuts, and kick everything up their putrifying insides.

      So my advice to smokers on a budget: Just keep it simple and surround yourself with heavy smokers. You'll never have to buy cigarettes again with sufficient second-hand smoke. Also enjoy ***** flying donuts taken on the chin, and drink lots of beer to stay regular and flush out all the ***** toxins.

      Sorry about the crudeness, but it's just a low blood sugar induced bad habit of mine that I've been trying to kick for over 44 years. So my advice to you preachers: Butt out of things you know nothing about before you get your ass kicked. All this preaching is very tiresome, and preachers are a helluva lot easier to kick than habits.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Why is it that every time someone mentions something like the cost of smoking we have to listen to a bunch of non smokers drooling all over how bad cigarettes are for you.

      There is one thing that is much more worse for your health than even the best pumped up propeganda against cigarettes.........

      SUGAR -- real sugar - fake sugar is nothing but pure poison, but real sugar is deadly..........

      .
      Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar dont die from it. 1 in 3 that smoke do.
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  • Profile picture of the author devilishsaint
    yeah they really wanna discourage tobacco usage but i think its not good step the real thing is to create awareness rather then increasing cigarette price.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    If I don't get my sugar fix everyday I can get really nasty and might grab someone by their health nuts, and kick everything up their putrifying insides.
    LMAO -- Gee Paul, I'd have figured a health food store owner would have at least one cupboard shelf dedicated purely to stevia. Come to find all that adrenaline that I had assumed was just spiking from market surges and drops is nothing but a sugar buzz. Well, this just explains so much.....................
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    Study history.

    First they demonize.
    Then they increase regulations and taxes.

    (This is NOT JUST about tobacco. Think biz, guns, booze, think parenting.)

    Now watch the governments.

    If they start to demonize: the net, business people, people who try to help others work from home..... I think you get my point. If not, look for them to TAX them.

    Note: I have read and been told, that if a smoker dies, and there is no "big obvious cause", the cause is most often listed as "smoking". So people who don't smoke, who just die, must die of "old age" or something like that. Think about how THAT messes up statistics..... so that tobacco can be deomonized, legislated, taxed.....

    And yes, tobacco used improperly is not good for you. Just like water.....

    So smoke it with "good thoughts" like the indians did (Have you noticed how many people grumble and bitch and moan when they smoke?) My ancestors called it "the thank you plant". They smoked with thankfulness, and kept their tobacco pure.

    And since sugar showed up....

    Eat it how it shows up NATURALLY. And WHEN it shows up naturally. That means not all that often, and mostly in the form of fruits and vegetables. Getting WILD honey even is painful.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      LMAO -- Gee Paul, I'd have figured a health food store owner would have at least one cupboard shelf dedicated purely to stevia. Come to find all that adrenaline that I had assumed was just spiking from market surges and drops is nothing but a sugar buzz. ....
      I am sure glad that I just finished my second cup of sugar-laiden laitte and that my good neighbor next door blew over some second hand smoke. Otherwise, I think I would have heaved my computer out of the window because of my low blood sugar, low nictotine, low caffeine levels, and low tolerance for preaching. And here's that flying ***** rolling donut dusted in powdered sugar coming right back at you.

      My health food store is over a mile away, and besides, I get sick of having to eat that crap all the time. When I want a nice greasy hamburger and fries with Coke (the real thing; none of that diet sh*t) I can go just two blocks over to McDonalds. And they don't preach at you. (Of course they can barely speak English, which makes it all the nicer)

      After I had my second cup of coffee in the morning, I usually go over to my health food store and check up on things. It always takes two cups of coffee with cream and sugar to shake off my rough edges. Of course, my courteous employees and I promote good health with responsible eating and lifestyle habits. But none of us will ram it down anyone's throat. They drink a lot of coffee too, and there's always a fresh pot brewing to keep them nice and courteous.

      We sell all-natural whole foods, natural vitamins with no fillers starch, yeast, artificial color, artificial flavors, or sugar. We also have a candy section for those who need a quick sugar rush. But smoking and drinking alcoholic beverages are not allowed on the premises. I really don't spend much time there at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I am sure glad that I just finished my second cup of sugar-laiden laitte and that my good neighbor next door blew over some second hand smoke. Otherwise, I think I would have heaved my computer out of the window because of my low blood sugar, low nictotine, low caffeine levels, and low tolerance for preaching. And here's that flying ***** rolling donut dusted in powdered sugar coming right back at you.

        My health food store is over a mile away, and besides, I get sick of having to eat that crap all the time. When I want a nice greasy hamburger and fries with Coke (the real thing; none of that diet sh*t) I can go just two blocks over to McDonalds. And they don't preach at you. (Of course they can barely speak English, which makes it all the nicer)

        After I had my second cup of coffee in the morning, I usually go over to my health food store and check up on things. It always takes two cups of coffee with cream and sugar to shake off my rough edges. Of course, my courteous employees and I promote good health with responsible eating and lifestyle habits. But none of us will ram it down anyone's throat. They drink a lot of coffee too, and there's always a fresh pot brewing to keep them nice and courteous.

        We sell all-natural whole foods, natural vitamins with no fillers starch, yeast, artificial color, artificial flavors, or sugar. We also have a candy section for those who need a quick sugar rush. But smoking and drinking alcoholic beverages are not allowed on the premises. I really don't spend much time there at all.
        Don't kill the computer, Paul. If you find yourself running short on sugar or smoke, I'm sure there will be a thread about dairy, MSG, fat, meat or many other of your favorite habits to take your ire out on to relieve any short-term withdrawls you may be experiencing at the time. There will also be a preacher who is thumping their pulpit over the evil while imbibing in another to roll the donuts at - but maple glaze works much better than powdered sugar. It's just so sticky.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by mr2020 View Post

      Study history.


      Note: I have read and been told, that if a smoker dies, and there is no "big obvious cause", the cause is most often listed as "smoking". So people who don't smoke, who just die, must die of "old age" or something like that. Think about how THAT messes up statistics..... so that tobacco can be deomonized, legislated, taxed.....
      Yeah - the stats are loaded something furious. A smoker can die of any cause whatsoever and unless it was a car accident, etc they will be listed as a smoking death. That's one of the reason smoking deaths are on such a fast rise.

      Of course, smokers aren't getting the exercise they used to - and that just isn't a good thing, smoking and a sendentary lifestyle don't mix even if the tobacco isn't laced with all the poison they put in it now. What if they lived by a factory with nasty pollutants that they are breathing constantly (contributing to many cases of asthma as well) - if they get lung cancer, it is never that factory's fault, it's the cigarettes. Many people are told that they are dying from smoking when what allowed them to contract the cancer in the first place was a lack of Vitamin D or high water fluoride concentrations (silca/sodium fluoride) or calcium deficiencies.

      It's the same with drunk driving stats.............and mind you I am not in defense of drunk driving, I think it's a very dangerous act -- but the stats that led to fines and laws were cooked to the hilt. They always check for alcohol and if any little bit is found - even just .01 which isn't enough to do anything to your motor skills, reasoning, etc. that accident was being listed as alcohol related.

      These stats allowed them to crank legal limits all the way down to the point that one drink with a pal can result in thousands of dollars of fines, court fees, hiked insurance rates, fees for classes and special driving permits -- and now alcohol detection devices in the car that restrict movement of the vehicle and cost like no tomorrow. Those are just a few perks the system reaps from cooking the stats enough to impose laws that are sure to result in even very responsible drinkers wallet's being bled to bone dry.

      I worked for a company that decided one day that we were not allowed to smoke on the premises - up til that day there was a patio for smokers. This came just after forcing us to either fill out a medical history for some third party or pay into our previously covered insurance. They started putting health programs all over on top of us - bp checks, fat % checks, you name it.
      The kicker? They had such toxic chemicals going into the products that people were gtting sick from working there. Go figure.
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    U live in NY or sommat?

    here in NC its only like $3.83, plus 50 cent coupon in the packet

    $35 + tax for carton.

    Originally Posted by Scot Standke View Post

    I was at WalMart the other day and ended up checking out in the tobacco aisle and happened to notice the price of name brand cigs, over $9 a pack, damn!

    How can anyone afford to smoke them any longer?

    You could save a little when you bought a carton at around $85 LOL

    I wish the prices were at that level when my dad was younger, perhaps he would have quit because he could not afford the 3 pack a day habit that ultimately ended up killing him, ten years after he actually quit.

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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    HeySal,

    You got it! At least one of the Starbucks in Pittsburgh now won't let you smoke OUTSIDE their place. They are "doing their part".

    I love their coffee, enjoy their style, but.... come on..... "a coffee shop" banning "smoking" for health and environment reasons.

    Please....

    Have a great day HeySal!

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  • Profile picture of the author Jhf14
    imagine if you saved all that money from smokes and put it towards marketing!
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      If smokers could just reach out and strangle all these detractors, they would have more time for marketing and put their increased profits towards more smokes.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    "Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar don't die from it."

    "And 1 in 3 smokers do."

    For some reason, we almost totally in this culture close our eyes to the problems SUGAR causes or contributes to, and make up problems (and deaths) due to smoking.

    Sugar has a far worse impact on our society, culture, economy and health than TOBACCO does.

    Of course, I am a cigar smoker who avoids sugar.

    Mr Twenty Twenty

    PS: I am guessing that second hand smoke makes kids fat, stupid and lazy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by mr2020 View Post

      "Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar don't die from it."

      "And 1 in 3 smokers do."

      For some reason, we almost totally in this culture close our eyes to the problems SUGAR causes or contributes to, and make up problems (and deaths) due to smoking.

      Sugar has a far worse impact on our society, culture, economy and health than TOBACCO does.

      Of course, I am a cigar smoker who avoids sugar.

      Mr Twenty Twenty

      PS: I am guessing that second hand smoke makes kids fat, stupid and lazy.
      no..second hand smoke gives them cancer.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by mr2020 View Post

      "Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar don't die from it."

      "And 1 in 3 smokers do."

      For some reason, we almost totally in this culture close our eyes to the problems SUGAR causes or contributes to, and make up problems (and deaths) due to smoking.

      Sugar has a far worse impact on our society, culture, economy and health than TOBACCO does.

      Of course, I am a cigar smoker who avoids sugar.

      Mr Twenty Twenty

      PS: I am guessing that second hand smoke makes kids fat, stupid and lazy.
      The illnesses that sugar causes are not attributed to sugar in the stats, but when the endocrine system goes, you can call everything after that caused by the sugar.........same with MSG, which causes major amounts of disease but never makes the stat list. Go figure. Fluoridated water and chemical sunscreens are a major source of cancer in smokers AND non-smokers, but never makes the stats.

      Study the stats instead of propaganda and what do you get?
      60% of men in Japan smoke and there is relatively no lung cancer to correlate to smoking. If tobacco is the problem, the stats would be universal........they actually are quite relative to the amount of additives in the cigarettes. I pointed that out to a doctor once and what he said was "yeah, but they get heart disease" ?! They can't find a universal stat there so they just drop some other health effect? There is not one scientific bit of logic in that.

      There is also another interesting 60someodd% stat that shows that more non-smokers die of lung cancer than smokers do. Even Mercola is tooting falsified figures.

      Something is wrong alright - people are dropping like flies and it's all blamed on cigarettes .........even though more and more people are NOT smoking now, more and more people are still getting lung cancer and more and more people are getting other morbidities such as obesity, autism, diabetes, to name a few.

      Yet the stats were rigged and enough propeganda was sent out to make people firm believers that cigarettes are the sole villain.

      How come people weren't dying in groves like they are now:
      - when almost double the amount of people smoked:
      - before water was fluoridated with silica/sodium fluoride (not natural form)
      - before sunblocks and warnings against sun were so prevalently pushed
      - before most households started using toxic waste to clean with

      Smokers are not the only people experiencing very deadly health problems now - and at very high rates.
      IF people knew WHY they are so fat now, why they can't take the weight off and keep it off they would be storming the walls of the FDA. If they realized that they were dying from it in the numbers they are, they'd take to the streets screaming.

      Why is alcohol allowed when it is so damaging yet pot is illegal when there is almost no evidence to support their claims of harm and much available to prove it has curing abilities..........because they tell us the truth and care about our health? Yeah, wake up.

      Autism and Diabetes have nothing to do with smoke......yet they are on the rise - just as rapid as cancer. Go figure.

      It is now becoming widely known that cell phones cause cancer, yet I see non-smokers that would not be without them and have them against their heads or in shirt pockets everywhere they go. Go figure.

      I'm never going to say that smoking is the best thing you can do for yourself - If you live a sedentary lifestyle it is a vile mix.

      I'm just stating that ALL diseases are on a rapid rise and cancer rates are rising even though rates of smokers are falling.

      All these health stats, and all non-smokers can do is find a smoker to flap their gums at. They sure have been well trained. Anytime you mention cigarettes there is a propaganda fed pitbull to come gnaw on your face.

      So maybe instead of stomping feet and waving flags over smoking, people should start to look into what the hell is REALLY going on that is making us so sick in every way and leave people alone about their lifestyles. Worry about weight they can't take off - or why their kids are autistic - or why their thyroids are giving out on them, or why they are getting diabetes, why their hearts are in such sick shape, why they are so tired and why the doctors are feeding them so many drugs that they are leaching into the water supply where people who don't WANT to be drugged are forced to ingest them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    yes, inhaling burning plant matter coated with pesticides and taking addictive nicotine into your body is a good idea.

    The ability for the addict to rationalize their behavior is astounding.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Smokers need to wear a warning label on their chest while
      smoking, similar to the label on every pack of cigarettes:

      WARNING TO NON-SMOKERS:
      The inability of the ignorant to mind their own business is
      astounding, and could lead to immediate medical disability.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Smokers need to wear a warning label on their chest while
        smoking, similar to the label on every pack of cigarettes:

        WARNING TO NON-SMOKERS:
        The inability of the ignorant to mind their own business is
        astounding, and could lead to immediate medical disability.
        I have no problem with you smoking....away from me.

        when your smoking starts interfering with my breathing, then we have a problem.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          I have no problem with you smoking....away from me.

          when your smoking starts interfering with my breathing, then we have a problem.
          I don't even smoke, but addiction is a complex problem that few non-smokers understand. But preaching to them when they are not even anywhere near you is unnecessary. Smokers are generally not intentionally rude, nor should you be. A simple "please don't smoke" will suffice rather than a long-distance lecture.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            I don't even smoke, but addiction is a complex problem that few non-smokers understand. But preaching to them when they are not even anywhere near you is unnecessary. Smokers are generally not intentionally rude, nor should you be. A simple "please don't smoke" will suffice rather than a long-distance lecture.
            I'm NOW a non-smoker. I used to smoke and quit. So i know what kind of problem addiction is. I'm not preaching to anyone just presenting facts. i just know that when I was smoking it was very easy to tell myself 'oh its not that bad' or 'they are just picking on us smokers'.

            In reality its an addiction that either directly or through an associated disease/illness kills 1 third of the people that use it, has over 4000 chemicals contained in what it produces for human consumption (smoke), not only affects the user, but those around the user.

            I don't give a crap if someone wants to kill themselves slowly with smoking. All i know is i saw my grandfather die of emphyzema (sp?), and if they want to go out gulping for air like a fish out of water thats all them. Good luck to them. But their inability to handle their addiction does not give them the right to make that choice for everyone/everything else around them.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Well, I have never smoked in my life. That was a choice I made early on after watching my own grandfather die of lung cancer after 43 years of smoking. He told me when I was very young to never start smoking, as he was also being told often by his doctors to quit smoking because it was killing him. But to his last day, he had a cigarette in his mouth. He was on oxygen and knew he was dying, but he turned it off and lit up a cigarette.

              So I know very well first hand how difficult it is to quit smoking. Smokers already are aware of the dangers, but the grip of addiction is more powerful than any fear.

              But if you are so worried about the dangers of second-hand smoke, then stay away from smokers. They still have a right to smoke in some areas that are becoming more and more restricted by oppressive laws.

              What I fear far more than second-hand smoke is the danger of losing our rights to choose the method of dying. There are laws now being proposed to ban soft drinks with sugar in schools, and to tax it in other outlets. Sugar is dangerous to your health, and causes death through diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and myriads of other documented secondary medical correlations.

              The time will come when the law makers will take all this fear-mongering and enact additional oppressive laws restricting anyone from doing anything unhealthy to themselves. Everyone will become smoke-free, sugar-free, fat-free, drug-free, alcohol-free, sex-free and eventually mind-free.

              There is a pattern of outcry from all these cry-babies afraid of the bad habits of others from getting smoke in their eyes to eating habits and leading to increase in legislation by big brother telling us what is good for us.

              So if anyone starts telling me how to live my life and to quit drinking soft drinks or even hard drinks with a candy bar, or any of hundreds of my other bad habits, we are going to have a problem. I will always continue to fight for the rights of smokers to smoke, because now, more than ever, it is our other rights that are at stake.

              I really do give a crap if someone wants to kill themselves by whatever means, and it is painful to watch friends and relatives do this to themselves, but that is their right.
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                Well, I have never smoked in my life. That was a choice I made early on after watching my own grandfather die of lung cancer after 43 years of smoking. He was told by his doctors to quit smoking, but to his last day he had a cigarette in his mouth. He was on oxygen and knew he was dying, but he turned the machine off and lit up a cigarette.

                So I know very well first hand how difficult it is to quit smoking. Smokers already are aware of the dangers, but the grip of addiction is more powerful than any fear.

                If you are so worried about the dangers of second-hand smoke, then stay away from smokers. They still have a right to smoke in some areas that are becoming more and more restricted by oppressive laws.
                why should I have to move when the smokers are the one engaging in the risky behavior. Do you tell citizens that are tired of watching hookers walk up and down their streets to move? Well why not, if they dont want to be affected by the crap that prostituion brings with it

                What I fear far more than second-hand smoke is the danger of losing our rights to choose the method of dying. There are laws now being proposed to ban soft drinks with sugar in schools, and to tax it in other outlets. Sugar is dangerous to your health, and causes death through diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and myriads of other documented secondary medical correlations.
                but nobody gets addicted to sugar.
                The time will come when the law makers will take all this fear-mongering and enact additional oppressive laws restricting anyone from doing anything unhealthy to themselves. Everyone will become smoke-free, sugar-free, fat-free, drug-free, alcohol-free, and eventually mind-free.
                god help us from those that would keep us FROM KILLING OURSELVES WITHOUT OWN STUPIDITY HOW DARE THEY!!
                There is a pattern of outcry from all these cry-babies afraid of the bad habits of others from getting smoke in their eyes to eating habits and leading to legislation by big brother telling us what is good for us.
                why should i quit, cutting the effects of smoking on my body, just to have some idiot keep blowing smoke in my face. Big brothe rshouldnt have to tell you whats good for you, you should already know that inhaling smoke with 4000 chemicals in it that is addictive and kills 1 in 3 of those that use it is bad for you. Since people aren't apparently smart enough to see this, the choice will have to be made for them. Or...when you're 50-60 or however old and finally cancer starts eating your chest, when your insuarance runs out, they should start giving you a pack of smokes and sending you home from the hospital instead of making everyone else pay for your inability to handle an addiction.


                So if anyone starts telling me how to live my life and to quit drinking soft drinks or even hard drinks with a candy bar, we are going to have a problem. I will also fight for the rights of smokers to smoke, because it is our other rights that could be at stake.

                I really do give a crap if someone wants to kill themselves by whatever means, but that is their right.
                dont put this out as some lofty issue of the right to die. Its an addictiction, no different than any other addiction. They didnt start smoking with the thought 'i want to choose how i go', they did it because of social pressures, and now that they have gotten themselves addicted, excuses like 'oh i want to control my death' crap is their way to make themselves feel better about their inability to control their own mind/body.

                I dont care if you want to kill yourself or how you want to do it. Knock yourself out. If you want to stick a pistol in your mouth or a cigarette, i dont care, but just like i would ask you to get away from me so i dont get hit by the bullet leaving your skull or brain matter, i'll ask you to move your smoking somewhere else.
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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

                  ...dont put this out as some lofty issue of the right to die. ...
                  You are missing my point entirely. This is a right to live ... the way you choose to live. Non-smokers are losing those rights as well through oppressive legislation.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
                    Originally Posted by myob View Post

                    You are missing my point entirely. This is a right to live ... the way you choose to live. Non-smokers are losing those rights as well through oppressive legislation.
                    The non-nonsmokers are losing their right to decide how they live when they are being affected by second hand smoke.
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                    • Profile picture of the author myob
                      I am far more afraid of people like you than of second-hand smoke or of being hit by a suicide's bullet. My respects to those who are struggling with this addiction, and admiration for you who have kicked the habit.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMPruitt
    Been trying to quit smoking for over 2 years. If you don't smoke, you don't understand how hard it is. Price is only part of the problem, although we are only at around $5/pack here.

    It is hard to quit, especially if you are not surrounded by people who are supportive of you quitting, or if most of the people you spend time with smoke.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    7 days clean!

    The first 3 days were awful, now I have more energy; can focus better, and my blood pressures down to a normal level.

    If you want to quit, just beat those first three days. I actually found keeping busy kept me sane.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arizona
    All this talk makes us non-smokers glad that we do not smoke. I have never smoked. My father smoked like a chimney and gagged me with his smoke in the house as well as in the car. I guess I have him to thank in a way for never wanting to start myself! I hated the smell and still do.

    I have no problem with others smoking unless they are smoking right outside the building that prohibits smoking within x amount of feet of the front door that I am walking into.

    I really feel for those who do smoke and have a hard time quitting. I have heard from many smokers that it is extremely hard to quit because of the cravings and the triggers that lead them back to smoking again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    But really, you dont have people sitting around you every day with guns in their mouths, you do probably have people sitting around you with cigarettes in their mouths
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      But really, you dont have people sitting around you every day with guns in their mouths, you do probably have people sitting around you with cigarettes in their mouths
      Almost everywhere, it is already against the law for people to sit around with either guns or cigarettes in their mouths. Most businesses have those restrictions in place, thanks to oppressive legislation, so your risk is extremely low for second hand smoke or bullets. Thank God I can still drink to that, but you are really scaring me that someday I won't even have that right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    'oh my god, you are taking away the right to stuff poisons in my body and put poisons in the bodies of people around me to! ITS MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO POISON PEOPLE'


    sorry doesnt work that way. your freedoms do not overshadow mine. and when it comes to a problem with your freedom to do something interferring with my freedom to do something, common sense would dictate that that the freedom that is less detrimental to the greater good be given rightofway.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      It is very obvious you have an agenda here. Smoking is already banned by law in all government and public buildings, businesses, and even in many public parks and beaches. You can breath free. Just where are you that these poison-breathing dragons are affecting your health?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I have no agenda here one way or the other. I'm just tired of hearing smokers and 'rights' activists tell me how its their right to belch smoke into my area as an exercise for their rights.

    You dont have a right to smoke if your smoking is affecting someone else, which second hand smoke has already been proven to do so.

    And dont play the 'its my right' card when the real reason that people smoke isnt because of their need to exercise their rights, but their weakness in dealing with an addiction.

    In reality, smokers dont choose to keep smoking. They have no choice and are addicted and because of their charachter flaw, they end up being under the thumb of the government paying those taxes. So for all the smokers bellowing about their rights to do this and to do that, in the end, you are nothing more than tax producing cattle controlled by the government you think you are exercising your rights against.

    Moooooooooooo.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      I have no agenda here one way or the other. I'm just tired of hearing smokers and 'rights' activists tell me how its their right to belch smoke into my area as an exercise for their rights.
      You didn't answer my question. Where is it that you are having a problem with second hand smoke? Smoking is banned nearly everywhere by law.

      If there is a plume of black smoke coming in your direction, then maybe it's time to get out the fire extinguisher, instead of blaming smokers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        You didn't answer my question. Where is it that you are having a problem with second hand smoke? Smoking is banned nearly everywhere by law.

        If there is a plume of black smoke coming in your direction, then maybe it's time to get out the fire extinguisher, instead of blaming smokers.
        No, smoking is not banned everywhere. Smoking is banned inside most everywhere. But outside, well then everyone gets to enjoy that smoke that Joe Notworriedofmyhealthoryours is enjoying.

        For instance where I work...when you are coming in the door, you get to go through a fairly thick fog bank of cigarette smoke. I can understand if it were the smoking area, but its not, but do they butt-heads care? nah...everyone gets to enjoy their smoke. thanks butt-heads.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          No, smoking is not banned everywhere. Smoking is banned inside most everywhere. But outside, well then everyone gets to enjoy that smoke that Joe Notworriedofmyhealthoryours is enjoying.

          For instance where I work...when you are coming in the door, you get to go through a fairly thick fog bank of cigarette smoke. I can understand if it were the smoking area, but its not, but do they butt-heads care? nah...everyone gets to enjoy their smoke. thanks butt-heads.
          I see. And they are not buying any of your E-Cigarettes in your sig file? That would make me mad as hell too. Those stupid butt-heads should realize that E-Cigarettes are safer than tobacco smoke with its 4000 chemicals and carcinogens. I knew something stunk about your posts.

          Sig file:
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Strawman...party of 1?

    And if you want to legitmately bitch about something. the use of ecigarettes and vaporizers is where you should be putting your time and effort.

    Right now the FDA is saying that since there has been no testing on the historically benign ingredients in e-cigs (read: they haven't gotten their slice of this pie) that they are 'dangerous' and you should instead keep smoking cigarettes.

    that is your FDA telling you that. And they are right now, with the help of tobacco lobbyists fighting to shut down sales of ecigs in the states.


    So they are fighting so that the things that you can use to either get your nicotine safer, or stop using altogether will be banned, but by god you can still keep smoking if you want to!


    Now go bitch about your rights to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Strawman...party of 1?

      And if you want to legitmately bitch about something. the use of ecigarettes and vaporizers is where you should be putting your time and effort.

      Right now the FDA is saying that since there has been no testing on the historically benign ingredients in e-cigs (read: they haven't gotten their slice of this pie) that they are 'dangerous' and you should instead keep smoking cigarettes.

      that is your FDA telling you that. And they are right now, with the help of tobacco lobbyists fighting to shut down sales of ecigs in the states.


      So they are fighting so that the things that you can use to either get your nicotine safer, or stop using altogether will be banned, but by god you can still keep smoking if you want to!


      Now go bitch about your rights to them.
      Thanks for the education, Michael, it has been a pleasure. Wishing you all the best in your marketing efforts of those ecigarettes, LOL! I eat activists for lunch everyday; keeps me regular.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    It's anti-smoking conspirators that are killing smokers. They're an evil breed out to wipe us (smokers) off the face of the earth...

    I could see it in the beginning when we were FORCED to be herded into these so-called little smoking "areas"...

    Here...see for yourself.

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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

      It's anti-smoking conspirators that are killing smokers. They're an evil breed out to wipe us (smokers) off the face of the earth...

      I could see it in the beginning when we were FORCED to be herded into these so-called little smoking "areas"...
      Dave, ROFLMAO!!! But quit blowing smoke on me, or I'm telling my boys to round you up and gag you with ecigarettes.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Those e-cigarettes comprise vapor of propylene glycol (with some added nicotine), don't they? It's a key constituent of antifreeze, coolants and aircraft fluids, heat transfer and hydraulic fluids, chemical solvents, plasticizers and thermoset plastic formulations. Just what I'd want to inhale. :rolleyes:
          Propylene glycol is used:The oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low, and large quantities are required to incur the dangerous effects described above. The potential for long-term toxicity is also low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.[7] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive. Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are related to either inappropriate intravenous use or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children.[8]
          Serious toxicity will occur only at plasma concentrations over 4g/L, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time.[9] It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1g/kg of PG. Propylene glycol is metabolized into pyruvic acid, which is a normal part of the glucose metabolism process and is readily converted to energy.

          Propylene glycol does not cause sensitization and it shows no evidence of being a carcinogen or of being genotoxic
          Its an ingredient in a lot of things, such as antifreeze...so is water.

          you're probably thinking of DEG or MEG. Similar but not the same, those are actually poisonous.
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            • Profile picture of the author steve m
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Those e-cigarettes comprise vapor of propylene glycol (with some added nicotine), don't they? It's a key constituent of antifreeze, coolants and aircraft fluids, heat transfer and hydraulic fluids, chemical solvents, plasticizers and thermoset plastic formulations. Just what I'd want to inhale. :rolleyes:
              Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

              Its an ingredient in a lot of things, such as antifreeze...so is water.

              you're probably thinking of DEG or MEG. Similar but not the same, those are actually poisonous.
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Yeeeeeeeeesssss, maybe; but I seem to recall they thought ethylene glycol (which is as closely related to propylene glycol as you can get without actually being propylene glycol) was harmless, too, until it turned out to be mega-toxic? :confused:



              I think you lot read to much...! LOL sound like a couple of scentist having a debate on E-Numbers and stuff :confused:
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                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  It's my "other profession": I study and research scientific misunderstandings and controversies and how it is/was that people/societies/cultures came to believe and propagate things that were never true.

                  Well that told me didn't it. Dam conspiracies, I hate having the wool pulled over my eyes
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Yeeeeeeeeesssss, maybe; but I seem to recall they thought ethylene glycol (which is as closely related to propylene glycol as you can get without actually being propylene glycol) was harmless, too, until it turned out to be mega-toxic? :confused:
              the fda has already done tests on propylene glycol and found it non toxic, but that was before it was being used in a 100 mil a year industry that was directly in competition with big tobacco that has lobbyists with deep pockets.

              go figure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Dave, ROFLMAO!!! But quit blowing smoke on me, or I'm telling my boys to round you up and gag you with ecigarettes.
        Dont worry...I'm one of those concientious smokers and have been for years.

        I haven't even smoked in my own house since my first-born (1980)

        I'm especially aware of non-smokers when I light up (unless they think THEIR space is anything inside of 3 square miles...then they can just KMA )
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          Dont worry...I'm one of those concientious smokers and have been for years.

          I haven't even smoked in my own house since my first-born (1980)

          I'm especially aware of non-smokers when I light up (unless they think THEIR space is anything inside of 3 square miles...then they can just KMA )
          Most smokers that I know are very courteous in that way as well. For the exact same reasons, I eat my baked beans outside on the patio because I always fart and belch uncontrollably afterwards. Been doing it outdoors now as a courtesy for over 46 years, since my mama first ran me out of the house right after dinner.

          Bean eaters I think are next on the target list by activists to be banned indoors. Afterall, we really can't give much of a courtesy, "Do you mind if I fart?" warning before the "Excuse me" must follow. People always think I'm so rude, but it is really so misunderstood, so sudden, often unconsciously released.

          At least methane gas from farting doesn't have anywhere near the number of chemicals that cigarette smoke does. Unless you drink beer and eat beans together; second hand gas from that mixture could be a lot more unhealthy. But I think that even the bean/beer fart gas combo is much safer to inhale than ecigarettes.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          Dont worry...I'm one of those concientious smokers and have been for years.

          I haven't even smoked in my own house since my first-born (1980)

          I'm especially aware of non-smokers when I light up (unless they think THEIR space is anything inside of 3 square miles...then they can just KMA )
          I'm with you on that Dave, though I do smoke in my house.
          If a non smoker comes in then I won't smoke in the house while they are there.
          I'll even make sure I'm down wind from non smokers if I can when smoking outdoors.
          It all gets thrown out the window though when a non smoker gets in my face with their holier then thou attitude.
          But then their swelled heads and big mouths make for great ashtrays
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  • Profile picture of the author loenex
    It's best to quit smoking. Save your money for other important purposes. Like the warning that goes 'cigarette smoking is dangerous to your health'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    Here in U.K the average pack of 20's converts to about $10 or more.
    What a shame.
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  • Profile picture of the author tremayne
    I believe that in Nova Scotia, where I used to live, smokes are about $13.50 a pack; in Panama, where I now live, they are a little over 50 cents. I quit more than 20 years ago and wish I had never started. I now have chronic obstructive lung disease, am prone to pneumonia, and had to give up my favorite sport: diving.

    If I had not quit I would have been dead long ago.

    I found there was just one way to stop: just do it cold turkey (if you will pardon the reference to turkey on this day). It was one of the most difficult things I ever did - and I discovered three years after I first quit that even a single (and then horrible-tasting) lapse got me hooked again.

    For me, in reference to previous comments, cigarettes are absolute poison and a sure way to a most unpleasant death.

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  • Profile picture of the author powderme
    Here in Manila a pack of cigarrete cost around $1.25 maybe I'm lucky
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    What?! Sugar is deadly? Oh no does that mean no more chocolate??????? I'm so heartbroken But it's been 4, close to 5 months soda free, so big improvement
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  • Profile picture of the author STKING
    E-Cigs for $1/pack!
    Ahhhh...forget about big gov't taxes on cigarettes...switch over to an e-cig! They don't control these babies....yet!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
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    It is ABOUT TIME! I HATE cigarettes! NOW, if they can do this with ALL tobacco, etc...
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