Deerfield/Edgerton area in wisconsin has growers
maybe you can find a co-op to by bulk from.
Here is one link I found searching "tobacco farming wisconsin"
>>> Tobacco Farming with Perry Halverson (Deerfield, Wisconsin)

article >>> http://www.smokersclubinc.com/module...ticle&sid=3556

Article about growers transitioning to grow Echinacea
>>> Echineacea as a tobacco crop alternative (Research Brief #48)|Center for Integrated Agricultural Systems

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Here in Edmonton it's $10.50 for a 20 pack and $13 for a 25 pack.
That's the low end of the scale.

It's all the oil money, the merchants feel they can gouge us for everything.
You can't spit without hitting a BMW, and over the summer I've seen several
Lamborghinis, a couple Ferraris, four Maseratis and an Aston Martin DBS.
That's just in the area around downtown.

Until my sales blast through the stratosphere, it might be time to move.
And stop smoking...

Stick with the green stuff you're at least making something happen unlike the uselessness of tobacco.

Even there is a warning in the package "Smoking can cause health problems and the fetus, cancer, blah ... blah ... blah ..."

It is really profitable. My friend has almost 2 hectares of tobacco. He could buy 3 houses and 2 luxury cars from one harvest only. At least, that what he told me. If he lies, dunno about it. :p

-Malik

I quit seven years ago, then started up again last year and I'm back up to just under half a pack daily. I keep cutting it back by a couple, and then it ramps back up again, and I cut back... I'll quit again, eventually. Probably take another year or so to do that.

It's not much wonder so many people in Asia smoke when the price is so cheap (even taking into account standards of living etc).

Can get a box of Cuban cigars and real aged Cuban rum for about $20USD or 280 to 300 pesos.

But damn there are a lot of mean people in this forum. lol Must be nice to be perfect eh? HA!

Marijuana cost about $15USD for 1/2 ounce(14.4 grams). Mafia and the cartels help keep the cost low for that but at a price of 10 or so murders a week related to the cartels in this city alone.

Eric.

you're right, but
(a) as their medical community wasn't quite as up to date as we are now, there's no telling how many native american deaths were caused by nicotine,
(b) the native americans didnt slather the nicotine laden tobacco in over 4000 chemicals either.

you'll probably get arrested

Nice business idea, not sure if that will be legal

Marlboros are over $5 a pack here, getting close to $6. You'd lose a lot of money if you did that on the gas. Even the local generics are never less than $4.

I think the gov. if trying to force ppl to quit by making the price so high. :p Cig taxes are always being added on.

I am a heavy smoker and have been for years, but I don't pay a dime for my habit. Just hang out where there is a lot of secondary smoke. Why pay for something that is so abundant and free?

You are right about the nicotine, the reason it appears to be an upper is because as soon as you stop taking it in - you will suffer increasing withdrawal symptoms. When you take in nicotine through whatever method, it relieves those symptoms so appears to give you a positive boost.

Nicotine drags you down with the withdrawal symptoms, you just cure those when you have a smoke. Non smokers would never get the same feelings as they don't have the withdrawal symptoms.

If you think about this when you have a smoke, and watch people who are having their first smoke of the day you can see it. They're just calming their withdrawal symptoms. It's a really sneaky drug !

I don't smoke, but sugar is particularly very important to me in my morning coffee, and keeps me sweet. If I don't get my sugar fix everyday I can get really nasty and might grab someone by their health nuts, and kick everything up their putrifying insides.

So my advice to smokers on a budget: Just keep it simple and surround yourself with heavy smokers. You'll never have to buy cigarettes again with sufficient second-hand smoke. Also enjoy ***** flying donuts taken on the chin, and drink lots of beer to stay regular and flush out all the ***** toxins.

Sorry about the crudeness, but it's just a low blood sugar induced bad habit of mine that I've been trying to kick for over 44 years. So my advice to you preachers: Butt out of things you know nothing about before you get your ass kicked. All this preaching is very tiresome, and preachers are a helluva lot easier to kick than habits.

Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar dont die from it. 1 in 3 that smoke do.

I am sure glad that I just finished my second cup of sugar-laiden laitte and that my good neighbor next door blew over some second hand smoke. Otherwise, I think I would have heaved my computer out of the window because of my low blood sugar, low nictotine, low caffeine levels, and low tolerance for preaching. And here's that flying ***** rolling donut dusted in powdered sugar coming right back at you.

My health food store is over a mile away, and besides, I get sick of having to eat that crap all the time. When I want a nice greasy hamburger and fries with Coke (the real thing; none of that diet sh*t) I can go just two blocks over to McDonalds. And they don't preach at you. (Of course they can barely speak English, which makes it all the nicer)

After I had my second cup of coffee in the morning, I usually go over to my health food store and check up on things. It always takes two cups of coffee with cream and sugar to shake off my rough edges. Of course, my courteous employees and I promote good health with responsible eating and lifestyle habits. But none of us will ram it down anyone's throat. They drink a lot of coffee too, and there's always a fresh pot brewing to keep them nice and courteous.

We sell all-natural whole foods, natural vitamins with no fillers starch, yeast, artificial color, artificial flavors, or sugar. We also have a candy section for those who need a quick sugar rush. But smoking and drinking alcoholic beverages are not allowed on the premises. I really don't spend much time there at all.

Yeah - the stats are loaded something furious. A smoker can die of any cause whatsoever and unless it was a car accident, etc they will be listed as a smoking death. That's one of the reason smoking deaths are on such a fast rise.

Of course, smokers aren't getting the exercise they used to - and that just isn't a good thing, smoking and a sendentary lifestyle don't mix even if the tobacco isn't laced with all the poison they put in it now. What if they lived by a factory with nasty pollutants that they are breathing constantly (contributing to many cases of asthma as well) - if they get lung cancer, it is never that factory's fault, it's the cigarettes. Many people are told that they are dying from smoking when what allowed them to contract the cancer in the first place was a lack of Vitamin D or high water fluoride concentrations (silca/sodium fluoride) or calcium deficiencies.

It's the same with drunk driving stats.............and mind you I am not in defense of drunk driving, I think it's a very dangerous act -- but the stats that led to fines and laws were cooked to the hilt. They always check for alcohol and if any little bit is found - even just .01 which isn't enough to do anything to your motor skills, reasoning, etc. that accident was being listed as alcohol related.

These stats allowed them to crank legal limits all the way down to the point that one drink with a pal can result in thousands of dollars of fines, court fees, hiked insurance rates, fees for classes and special driving permits -- and now alcohol detection devices in the car that restrict movement of the vehicle and cost like no tomorrow. Those are just a few perks the system reaps from cooking the stats enough to impose laws that are sure to result in even very responsible drinkers wallet's being bled to bone dry.

I worked for a company that decided one day that we were not allowed to smoke on the premises - up til that day there was a patio for smokers. This came just after forcing us to either fill out a medical history for some third party or pay into our previously covered insurance. They started putting health programs all over on top of us - bp checks, fat % checks, you name it.
The kicker? They had such toxic chemicals going into the products that people were gtting sick from working there. Go figure.

If smokers could just reach out and strangle all these detractors, they would have more time for marketing and put their increased profits towards more smokes.

no..second hand smoke gives them cancer.

The illnesses that sugar causes are not attributed to sugar in the stats, but when the endocrine system goes, you can call everything after that caused by the sugar.........same with MSG, which causes major amounts of disease but never makes the stat list. Go figure. Fluoridated water and chemical sunscreens are a major source of cancer in smokers AND non-smokers, but never makes the stats.

Study the stats instead of propaganda and what do you get?
60% of men in Japan smoke and there is relatively no lung cancer to correlate to smoking. If tobacco is the problem, the stats would be universal........they actually are quite relative to the amount of additives in the cigarettes. I pointed that out to a doctor once and what he said was "yeah, but they get heart disease" ?! They can't find a universal stat there so they just drop some other health effect? There is not one scientific bit of logic in that.

There is also another interesting 60someodd% stat that shows that more non-smokers die of lung cancer than smokers do. Even Mercola is tooting falsified figures.

Something is wrong alright - people are dropping like flies and it's all blamed on cigarettes .........even though more and more people are NOT smoking now, more and more people are still getting lung cancer and more and more people are getting other morbidities such as obesity, autism, diabetes, to name a few.

Yet the stats were rigged and enough propeganda was sent out to make people firm believers that cigarettes are the sole villain.

How come people weren't dying in groves like they are now:
- when almost double the amount of people smoked:
- before water was fluoridated with silica/sodium fluoride (not natural form)
- before sunblocks and warnings against sun were so prevalently pushed
- before most households started using toxic waste to clean with

Smokers are not the only people experiencing very deadly health problems now - and at very high rates.
IF people knew WHY they are so fat now, why they can't take the weight off and keep it off they would be storming the walls of the FDA. If they realized that they were dying from it in the numbers they are, they'd take to the streets screaming.

Why is alcohol allowed when it is so damaging yet pot is illegal when there is almost no evidence to support their claims of harm and much available to prove it has curing abilities..........because they tell us the truth and care about our health? Yeah, wake up.

Autism and Diabetes have nothing to do with smoke......yet they are on the rise - just as rapid as cancer. Go figure.

It is now becoming widely known that cell phones cause cancer, yet I see non-smokers that would not be without them and have them against their heads or in shirt pockets everywhere they go. Go figure.

I'm never going to say that smoking is the best thing you can do for yourself - If you live a sedentary lifestyle it is a vile mix.

I'm just stating that ALL diseases are on a rapid rise and cancer rates are rising even though rates of smokers are falling.

All these health stats, and all non-smokers can do is find a smoker to flap their gums at. They sure have been well trained. Anytime you mention cigarettes there is a propaganda fed pitbull to come gnaw on your face.

So maybe instead of stomping feet and waving flags over smoking, people should start to look into what the hell is REALLY going on that is making us so sick in every way and leave people alone about their lifestyles. Worry about weight they can't take off - or why their kids are autistic - or why their thyroids are giving out on them, or why they are getting diabetes, why their hearts are in such sick shape, why they are so tired and why the doctors are feeding them so many drugs that they are leaching into the water supply where people who don't WANT to be drugged are forced to ingest them.

Smokers need to wear a warning label on their chest while
smoking, similar to the label on every pack of cigarettes:


The inability of the ignorant to mind their own business is
astounding, and could lead to immediate medical disability.

Almost everywhere, it is already against the law for people to sit around with either guns or cigarettes in their mouths. Most businesses have those restrictions in place, thanks to oppressive legislation, so your risk is extremely low for second hand smoke or bullets. Thank God I can still drink to that, but you are really scaring me that someday I won't even have that right.

It is very obvious you have an agenda here. Smoking is already banned by law in all government and public buildings, businesses, and even in many public parks and beaches. You can breath free. Just where are you that these poison-breathing dragons are affecting your health?

You didn't answer my question. Where is it that you are having a problem with second hand smoke? Smoking is banned nearly everywhere by law.

If there is a plume of black smoke coming in your direction, then maybe it's time to get out the fire extinguisher, instead of blaming smokers.

Thanks for the education, Michael, it has been a pleasure. Wishing you all the best in your marketing efforts of those ecigarettes, LOL! I eat activists for lunch everyday; keeps me regular.

Dave, ROFLMAO!!! But quit blowing smoke on me, or I'm telling my boys to round you up and gag you with ecigarettes.