Video of a mysterious object - From the NYPost

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Just something of interest, I have no real opinions but just something for you to read. Keep it from getting wierd ! No moon rocks, or videos or pictures from one of the space flights.

Quoted from the New York Post - Article link posted below.
"Newly-released video of a mysterious object streaking over the Atlantic Ocean"
https://nypost.com/2018/03/10/footag...ary-personnel/

Please note last sentence of Article !
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Yes, l have already seen that one, it was posted elsewhere, but as someone else said in response to a comment, "l would rather believe in an Air-force pilot, than someone else".

    Here is my contribution, and yep, l have no answer...


    Well, whatever it is, it is invisible and carries a heat weapon, so it could be one of ours or....

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    this type of video has no answer to science maybe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Could it be the media wants it both ways? An article seeming to say "we aren't paying any attention to this" (last sentence) - with a link to an article 'revealing' millions spent on a UFO program?

    If UFO's are here - they are smarter than we are to begin with. If they don't want to be found....
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Could it be the media wants it both ways?
      Yep it sells news papers and makes it to "trending" on the internet.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

        Yep it sells news papers and makes it to "trending" on the internet.
        The mass media also have a gag order, and you may see the above video on the news, but it is unlikely.

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          The mass media also have a gag order, :
          True. Every newspaper, blog, magazine, television station, radio station...every reporter....and every scientist, technician, government worker, and their families ...all of these people in every country on the planet are all part of the same exact conspiracy.

          And you...through your investigative genius ...your obviously vast resources....your vast network of information gatherers .....your access to encrypted top secret information that nobody else has....have pierced the veil, and uncovered the truth.

          Thank you.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            True. Every newspaper, blog, magazine, television station, radio station...every reporter....and every scientist, technician, government worker, and their families ...all of these people in every country on the planet are all part of the same exact conspiracy.

            And you...through your investigative genius ...your obviously vast resources....your vast network of information gatherers .....your access to encrypted top secret information that nobody else has....have pierced the veil, and uncovered the truth.

            Thank you.
            And the US government!

            And it is not a worldwide conspiracy, but it is a worldwide coverup.

            Conspiracys are more like people claiming to see one wing aircraft in the 90's, that were proven to be true later on, or claiming that the Watergate scandal was true, eventhough Nixon kept saying otherwise, (well, that was both).

            No, thank you!

            PS l did plenty of research recently, (UFO, A.. Thread) and have no intention of repeating that,not without going to a psychological luncheon first.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              And the US government!

              And it is not a worldwide conspiracy, but it is a worldwide coverup.
              I apologize. In that case here...

              True. Every newspaper, blog, magazine, television station, radio station...every reporter....and every scientist, technician, government worker, and their families ...all of these people in every country on the planet are all part of the same exact cover up.

              And, as you so brilliantly pointed out...the entire US government....and every government worldwide... totaling millions of people across the globe...all covering up the truth..The Truth!

              All of these people are perfectly trained operatives, who can all keep a secret..not even telling their families.

              And you...through your investigative genius ...your obviously vast resources....your vast network of information gatherers .....your access to encrypted top secret information that nobody else has....have pierced the veil, and uncovered the truth.

              Thank you.
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              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I apologize. In that case here...

                True. Every newspaper, blog, magazine, television station, radio station...every reporter....and every scientist, technician, government worker, and their families ...all of these people in every country on the planet are all part of the same exact cover up.

                And, as you so brilliantly pointed out...the entire US government....and every government worldwide... totaling millions of people across the globe...all covering up the truth..The Truth!

                All of these people are perfectly trained operatives, who can all keep a secret..not even telling their families.

                And you...through your investigative genius ...your obviously vast resources....your vast network of information gatherers .....your access to encrypted top secret information that nobody else has....have pierced the veil, and uncovered the truth.

                Thank you.
                I have a slightly different slant on all this these days..And I am not getting into an argument as to if there is any truth in it, more how people handle information. It is similar in reaction to "Some" of the aspects of the alleged Mandela Effect.

                Most people do not give a hoot about it, they are just too busy living their lives, they never give it any thought. Then a few are interested but just to read about it, it does not change their lives, more of read, and shrug the shoulders till the next one comes along.

                Finally, we have the small minority who are fanatical, read and follow up on every aspect. Now even if the do find any truths, convincing others or even making them interested is extremely difficult.

                There are only few things that would make people sit up and listen, first would be a personal encounter or sighting, ME, whatever. But then you would just have one person who becomes a partial or full convert.

                Secondly, it would need to fly in the face of us all, an irrefutable mass presence or invasion happening.

                And of course, any government, whether they knew anything about it or not are not going to stand up and invoke mass panic by admitting it. Until that mass presence or invasion appears, why should they. What purpose does it serve.

                In a nutshell, the great majority of the human race would need to be kicked in the teeth by it to sit up and take notice.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  I have a slightly different slant on all this these days..And I am not getting into an argument as to if there is any truth in it, more how people handle information. It is similar in reaction to "Some" of the aspects of the alleged Mandela Effect.

                  Most people do not give a hoot about it, they are just too busy living their lives, they never give it any thought. Then a few are interested but just to read about it, it does not change their lives, more of read, and shrug the shoulders till the next one comes along.

                  Finally, we have the small minority who are fanatical, read and follow up on every aspect. Now even if the do find any truths, convincing others or even making them interested is extremely difficult.

                  There are only few things that would make people sit up and listen, first would be a personal encounter or sighting, ME, whatever. But then you would just have one person who becomes a partial or full convert.

                  Secondly, it would need to fly in the face of us all, an irrefutable mass presence or invasion happening.

                  And of course, any government, whether they knew anything about it or not are not going to stand up and invoke mass panic by admitting it. Until that mass presence or invasion appears, why should they. What purpose does it serve.

                  In a nutshell, the great majority of the human race would need to be kicked in the teeth by it to sit up and take notice.
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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                IAnd, as you so brilliantly pointed out...the entire US government....and every government worldwide... totaling millions of people across the globe...all covering up the truth..The Truth!
                It's bigger than that. How many governments have changed in the last few decades? Each time a new government is elected (or imposed), the people in the former government not only keep their secrets, they pass them on to their replacements. In fact there are now more people in on the conspiracy than there are actual people.
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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  It's bigger than that. How many governments have changed in the last few decades? Each time a new government is elected (or imposed), the people in the former government not only keep their secrets, they pass them on to their replacements. In fact there are now more people in on the conspiracy than there are actual people.
                  That's not strictly true, all governments have to follow guidelines and protocols when they come to power for the security of the country. Add to that the fact that it is highly likely that only an elite few may be be privy to some of the more esoteric secrets. Need to know basis.
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                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    That's not strictly true, all governments have to follow guidelines and protocols when they come to power for the security of the country. Add to that the fact that it is highly likely that only an elite few may be be privy to some of the more esoteric secrets. Need to know basis.
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                    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                      W-O-O-S-H!!!
                      I didn't really think you were being serious but I said it anyway. More fool me.
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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          The mass media also have a gag order, and you may see the above video on the news, but it is unlikely.

          Standing downwind from Claude will make you gag...
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    I am feeling generous today.



    These are either fake, one of ours or alien in origin.

    Since the first one was filmed by a jet fighter pilot in Russia, that whittles it down to ours or alien.

    So we have a 50% chance of this being alien in origin and a 100% chance of this being some top secret Gov, craft.

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  • Profile picture of the author alaicarich
    Who knows! It can be true. And we are disbelieving. And then alien attack our planet suddenly.then we believe on this thing
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by alaicarich View Post

      Who knows! It can be true. And we are disbelieving. And then alien attack our planet suddenly.then we believe on this thing
      Attack, nah, they have had thousands of years to do that and still havn't.

      More likely they are keeping Earth in one piece and waving their hands around a lot, and intentionally turning off the power around missile silos, just in case.

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    Why would we be alone in the universe? Billions and billions of galaxies. Or whatever LOL. We cannot comprehend how big this existence thing is. There are so many lifeforms out there it'd cripple most folks, mentally.

    I have heard theories too; if we can imagine it (see movies, books, etc) it likely exists. Now I'm not just saying this because I'm flying to New Zealand tomorrow (LOTR).

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    C'mon Claude, there's video damn it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    Standing downwind from Claude will make you gag...
    True, he has a gag order!



    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    I apologize. In that case here...

    True. Every newspaper, blog, magazine, television station, radio station...every reporter....and every scientist, technician, government worker, and their families ...all of these people in every country on the planet are all part of the same exact cover up.

    And, as you so brilliantly pointed out...the entire US government....and every government worldwide... totaling millions of people across the globe...all covering up the truth..The Truth!

    All of these people are perfectly trained operatives, who can all keep a secret..not even telling their families.

    And you...through your investigative genius ...your obviously vast resources....your vast network of information gatherers .....your access to encrypted top secret information that nobody else has....have pierced the veil, and uncovered the truth.

    Thank you.
    No one else, lol, the evidence is sitting there, it only needs someone with an open mind to find it.

    Not to mention the hundreds of Generals, etc in your military willing to testify to the UFO coverup, (yeah me and an army). And some did run the missile silos in the US.

    The evidence is building, and if you don't want to believe then don't that is your right, but l wouldn't come here and try to rationalize your beliefs or emotionally dismiss evidence.



    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Finally, we have the small minority who are fanatical, read and follow up on every aspect. Now even if the do find any truths, convincing others or even making them interested is extremely difficult.

    There are only few things that would make people sit up and listen, first would be a personal encounter or sighting, ME, whatever. But then you would just have one person who becomes a partial or full convert.

    Secondly, it would need to fly in the face of us all, an irrefutable mass presence or invasion happening.

    And of course, any government, whether they knew anything about it or not are not going to stand up and invoke mass panic by admitting it. Until that mass presence or invasion appears, why should they. What purpose does it serve.

    In a nutshell, the great majority of the human race would need to be kicked in the teeth by it to sit up and take notice.
    True, they will be kicked in the teeth or elsewhere, by 2033,....sigh!

    Mass invasion, lol, so one advanced, military race invades Earth, eventhough one party has its destroy a planet by pressing a button device and a faction also has it. A military race would have the odd's stacked against them to even get to that level in the first place without destroy each other in the process.

    About the only mass invasion is them getting ready for the day when oil reserves are looking dodgy, and NASA finally owns up.

    And no, l follow the evidence, and believe in it, but the US gov, and NASA have built up so much BS around evil, benevolent, aliens, most go into fear mode instead of the other one.

    But if people want to keep their heads in the sand, then it is their choice, but they have to be aware that it is a sand dial, not a sand pit.

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


      True, they will be kicked in the teeth or elsewhere, by 2033,....sigh!
      So......your super psychic intuition says that 2033 is "The Year It All Happens", right?

      I think the US government is just a pack of fools for not seeing this...or covering it up.....or just being closed minded. Thank God you're on the job.

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      it only needs someone with an open mind to find it.
      Does it take genius? hard scientific study? curiosity? objective analysis? to see what you apparently see? No....none of those things are needed or wanted. It takes an "Open mind". Not study...not knowledge...just an open mind. And who might you be talking about...this person with an open mind? Hmmm?

      "Open mind"....the state of complete acceptance without thought or critical thinking. Requiring no evidence or intelligent argument.

      You forgot to say "arrogant". Whenever someone doesn't just accept your latest fever dream as hard fact, that always makes them close minded and arrogant.

      I want my money's worth.

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      "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan

      Not here.
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    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    So......your super psychic intuition says that 2033 is "The Year It All Happens", right?

    I think the US government is just a pack of fools for not seeing this...or covering it up.....or just being closed minded. Thank God you're on the job
    We covered this before Claude, and your gov, will disclose all of this but only when it is advantageous.

    Oil wealth is directly linked to disclosure dates, if it is relatively easy and cheap to get, but when oil gets harder to extract and the party is almost over, and it would cause more pain allowing us to go through a global oil crises then all will be disclosed.

    Tell the world UFO's are real, and everyone would like to know, where do you get the power from, and if the aliens say, "MVS" Magnetic Vortex Systems for example, then oil gets a big slug, Fission funding drys up, and every household on our planet gets a big leg up.

    And utility co, collapse, but that is a given.

    NASA wants to send astranuts around Mars by 2033, and very likely land on one of its moons.

    And as even Buzz has mentioned, one has a monolith on it.

    If they land there and film that then it is all over, eventhough Earth will enter into a new Golden age of prosperity.

    Dogs and Cats may even live together.

    As for the rest, it is best to tell us all how something invisible, 30,000feet up, discharges a heat burst powerful enough to destroy a rocket?

    An Eagle holding its breath, after falling into a bucket of sky blue paint after a night of eating chilies and carrying a lighter is all l can come up with.

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


      NASA wants to send astranuts around Mars by 2033, and very likely land on one of its moons.

      And as even Buzz has mentioned, one has a monolith on it.
      Buzz Aldrin has never been to Mars. He also never went to one of Mar's moons. And...he isn't an astronomer.


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      As for the rest, it is best to tell us all how something invisible, 30,000feet up, discharges a heat burst powerful enough to destroy a rocket?
      You want me to explain how something happened...that was made up by a 50 year old virgin living in his Mom's basement....getting off to conspiracy websites...and made a Youtube video?

      First, explain to me how the people on Gilligan's Island were filmed, but nobody in the film crew would rescue them.

      By the way, if you don't see something, it doesn't mean it's "invisible".

      I can't see Superman standing in front of me. That doesn't mean he's invisible. It means he doesn't exist.

      Or....it means he is vibrating as fast as the speed of light, rendering him invisible. and in 2033 (the magic year) he will stop vibrating, and everyone will know that he is real.

      But right now, nobody is open minded enough to see the truth. Except me, the most powerful psychic on the forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Buzz Aldrin has never been to Mars. He also never went to one of Mar's moons. And...he isn't an astronomer.

        You want me to explain how something happened...that was made up by a 50 year old virgin living in his Mom's basement....getting off to conspiracy websites...and made a Youtube video?
        Ok, l will give you half points for that one, since it is near impossible to find any more info on it. 50% chance of aliens using it for target practice.


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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Ok, l will give you half points for that one, since it is near impossible to find any more info on it. 50% chance of aliens using it for target practice.

          C-SPAN: Buzz Aldrin Reveals Existence of Monolith on Mars Moon - YouTube


          I appreciate you finding and posting the video.
          Sadly, what this really shows me is that all of us are subject to believing just about anything. He may have seen a Youtube video, or a photo that showed a shadow that he interpreted as a monolith.

          Astronauts are highly trained pilots. Exceptional people. But they have no more insight into what's out there than any of us, except in the near Earth orbit.

          If the movies 2001 and 2010 weren't made, nobody would ever claim to see a monolith. The idea was made up, not based on anything real. .

          And if astronomers at NASA haven't seen it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But it almost certainly means that Buzz hasn't seen it either.

          And if there was any evidence of life outside of Earth, NASA would be the first to jump on that. It would give them a real reason to exist and get funding. Heck, we saw a microscopic shape on a meteor rock, and NASA almost went insane.

          NASA is made up of science geeks, not secret agents.
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      We covered this before Claude, and your gov, will disclose all of this but only when it is advantageous.
      Tag the whole problem with the aliens have visited us cover up story is that it ignores a much more viable explanation (which we already know in part to be true) -

      Our governments do not share with us all their technology. Trillions have now been spent over years by the military. Why do we assume that simply because some craft moves faster than anything we know - it has an origin outside this planet? Would our government have volunteered the existence of a nuclear bomb if they didn't drop one on Japan? doubtful.

      and if they hadn't wouldn't we have conspiracy theories about alien crashes when someone detected a nuclear test? probably.

      People clearly are seeing somethng real with UFOs but all that UFO means is Unidentified Flying Object

      Not Extraterrestrial Flying Object
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Tag the whole problem with the aliens have visited us cover up story is that it ignores a much more viable explanation (which we already know in part to be true) -

        Our governments do not share with us all their technology. Trillions have now been spent over years by the military. Why do we assume that simple because some craft moves faster than anything we know - it has an origin outside this planet? Would our government have volunteered the existence of a nuclear bomb if they didn't drop one on Japan? doubtful.

        and if they hadn't wouldn't we have conspiracy theories about alien crashes when someone detected a nuclear test? probably.

        People clearly are seeing somethng real with UFOs but all that UFO means is Unidentified Flying Object

        Not Extraterrestrial Flying Object
        Very good point, considering that reputable single and mass sightings, photographs and recordings have been accumulating for many years. And, it is naive to think that even a person of average intelligence would not have a pretty good Idea as to how a plane or helicopter can perform. Our sky's are full of them. Something is being seen

        But when you see something performing impossible maneuvers it does not need to be extraterrestrial, just new forms of propulsion and appropriate craft design that are being tested. A form of propulsion that allows a craft to leave the ground and travel and maneuver like that would also not be limited to the aerodynamic plane type design and could be made any shape and size. People report many variations.

        If you can't take that under consideration as an explanation then based on what people have seen, drawn and photographed, the extraterrestrial stance would mean many races with different types of craft. If it was just one or 2 races then craft would most likely be utilitarian with only a few design variations. Not what is being seen.

        This makes it more likely that it's just us experimenting with some advanced tech we have developed.
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    The mass media also have a gag order
    I don't believe that is an 'order' - I think it's a 'reflex'.....exposure to mass media makes you gag....

    I certainly hope there is 'other life' in the universe - I'd hate to think we are the best there is....
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I certainly hope there is 'other life' in the universe - I'd hate to think we are the best there is....
      If there is other life in the universe, I'm pretty sure we would instantly qualify as, 'the worst there is.'
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I don't believe that is an 'order' - I think it's a 'reflex'.....exposure to mass media makes you gag....

      I certainly hope there is 'other life' in the universe - I'd hate to think we are the best there is....
      When I think of life in the universe (let's just say our galaxy), the following things occur to me.

      There is probably single celled life on many planets with liquid water. And even as planets cool they may pass through a phase where they have liquid water...if only later to completely freeze or evaporate (like Mars). So...probably single celled life throughout the galaxy. My guess.

      If the temperature, air pressure, gravity...and an electromagnetic shield to keep out radiation, stays for billions of years, eventually complex life emerges. Maybe pretty rare, maybe not.

      But for humanoid life....with technology....you need a very specific course of evolution over several billion years. And this course of evolution has to be supplemented with natural disasters, extinction level events, and a very specific series of events to occur...for life to become anything that we would recognize as intelligent...with technology.

      No electromagnetic shield? (with huge spinning iron core)? No life.
      No rocky land above the water? No hands and feet to build things.
      5 times our gravity? Very difficult to get off the planet. Heck, probably no land at all, just level water everywhere.
      A third our gravity? Atmosphere dissipates, oceans evaporate.

      Even our sister planet Venus, which is nearly identical to Earth in size, gravity, composition....had a tad too much heat, and the oceans evaporated, and are now part of the crushing atmosphere. No life will be found there, and it's paradise compared to most planets.

      My guess is that there are really very few planets in our galaxy with mammalian life (or close to it), that evolved to a state where we would think of them as advanced...with technology and the desire to communicate with other planets...and the chance that they happen to use a means to communicate that we recognize. That's an awful lot of "if's).

      And how the heck would they even know we are here? light from our planet
      (radio waves and signs of intelligence) have only spread out to about 3% of our own galaxy.

      It's entirely possible that we will never find another planet with life...that is exploring space and finds us.

      And if they don't already know we are here, how would they know the direction to send probes, or even which way to point telescopes.

      Finding our planet in our galaxy is about as easy as finding a molecule of water on the surface of our planet...and having no idea where to look.

      Just things that pop into my brain.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The things in my brain are poop.
        All better!
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        When I think of life in the universe (let's just say our galaxy), the following things occur to me.

        There is probably single celled life on many planets with liquid water. And even as planets cool they may pass through a phase where they have liquid water...if only later to completely freeze or evaporate (like Mars). So...probably single celled life throughout the galaxy. My guess.

        If the temperature, air pressure, gravity...and an electromagnetic shied to keep out radiation, stays for billions of years, eventually complex life emerges. Maybe pretty rare, maybe not.

        But for humanoid life....with technology....you need a very specific course of evolution over several billion years. And this course of evolution has to be supplemented with natural disasters, extinction level events, and a very specific series of events to occur...for life to become anything that we would recognize as intelligent...with technology.

        No electromagnetic shield? (with huge spinning iron core)? No life.
        No rocky land above the water? No hands and feet to build things.
        5 times our gravity? Very difficult to get off the planet. Heck, probably no land at all, just level water everywhere.
        A third our gravity? Atmosphere dissipates, oceans evaporate.

        Even our sister planet Venus, which is nearly identical to Earth in size, gravity, composition....had a tad too much heat, and the oceans evaporated, and are now part of the crushing atmosphere. No life will be found there, and it's paradise compared to most planets.

        My guess is that there are really very few planets in our galaxy with mammalian life (or close to it), that evolved to a state where we would think of them as advanced...with technology and the desire to communicate with other planets...and the chance that they happen to use a means to communicate that we recognize. That's an awful lot of "if's).

        And how the heck would they even know we are here? light from our planet
        (radio waves and signs of intelligence) have only spread out to about 3% of our own galaxy.

        It's entirely possible that we will never find another planet with life...that is exploring space and finds us.

        And if they don't already know we are here, how would they know the direction to send probes, or even which way to point telescopes.

        Finding our planet in our galaxy is about as easy as finding a molecule of water on the surface of our planet...and having no idea where to look.

        Just things that pop into my brain.
        You forgot to mention our moon, and the total uniqueness of its size, proximity and influence on the Earth. Slacker
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          You forgot to mention our moon, and the total uniqueness of its size, proximity and influence on the Earth. Slacker
          Ha!

          I also didn't mention the fact that for us to communicate with another planet, the distance is so vast, that two way communication would take hundreds or even thousands of years for one question-answer exchange.

          When we see them, we are seeing them thousands (in our own galaxy) of years in the past. And they are seeing us thousands of years in the past. Assuming they point their probes precisely in our direction. (like shooting a basketball and making a basket 5,000 miles away. That kind of pinpoint accuracy...by guessing). And they don't know we are here before they find us. So they have no reference point to know the direction to look.

          Timing is also a factor.

          The universe has been here for 14 billion years. We have had technology (in any meaningful way) for a tad over 100 years.

          Communications(or a probe) would have to be sent or received during the short period of time that there is an advanced civilization on a planet. Who knows how long that lasts? They would have to see us as an advanced civilization...and be able to communicate with us (or make the trip) while we are still an advanced civilization.

          And why would they come? To study us? Learn from us? Colonize? Take our resources?

          How would any of that be worth the trip? Why do we think we are so fascinating?

          I'm not saying that there aren't other life forms like ours..close enough to make us aware of each other.

          I'm pointing out that the more we know...the more we learn...the less likely we see this as true.

          ...until the magic year 2033, when NASA blows the lid off of this vast conspiracy/coverup.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Ha!

            I also didn't mention the fact that for us to communicate with another planet, the distance is so vast, that two way communication would take hundreds or even thousands of years for one question-answer exchange.

            When we see them, we are seeing them thousands (in our own galaxy) of years in the past. And they are seeing us thousands of years in the past. Assuming they point their probes precisely in our direction. (like shooting a basketball and making a basket 5,000 miles away. That kind of pinpoint accuracy...by guessing). And they don't know we are here before they find us. So they have no reference point to know the direction to look.

            Timing is also a factor.

            The universe has been here for 14 billion years. We have had technology (in any meaningful way) for a tad over 100 years.

            Communications(or a probe) would have to be sent or received during the short period of time that there is an advanced civilization on a planet. Who knows how long that lasts? They would have to see us as an advanced civilization...and be able to communicate with us (or make the trip) while we are still an advanced civilization.

            And why would they come? To study us? Learn from us? Colonize? Take our resources?

            How would any of that be worth the trip? Why do we think we are so fascinating?

            I'm not saying that there aren't other life forms like ours..close enough to make us aware of each other.

            I'm pointing out that the more we know...the more we learn...the less likely we see this as true.

            ...until the magic year 2033, when NASA blows the lid off of this vast conspiracy/coverup.
            If you are into the multiverse theory (the physical but infinite variety) then there are going to be a lot of intelligent lifeforms/races occupying planets that are habitable simply by weight of statistics, even if it's one per universe (but not all). As to them being able to travel to our universe and find us, one planet inhabited, even if they could, it would be a needle in a haystack to find. Highly improbable, but not impossible.

            Infinite is a big word though so does that make it likely that it is more possible that we think? More statistics, and you have to subscribe to the Infinite Multiverse Theory to even consider it.

            I also still must consider that our universe is so vast and that we are possibly underestimating how robust life can be and perhaps it can take hold in other conditions. Wishful thinking, perhaps.
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              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              If you are into the multiverse theory (the physical but infinite variety) then there are going to be a lot of intelligent lifeforms/races occupying planets that are habitable simply by weight of statistics, even if it's one per universe (but not all). As to them being able to travel to our universe and find us, one planet inhabited, even if they could, it would be a needle in a haystack to find. Highly improbable, but not impossible.

              Infinite is a big word though so does that make it likely that it is more possible that we think? More statistics, and you have to subscribe to the Infinite Multiverse Theory to even consider it.

              I also still must consider that our universe is so vast and that we are possibly underestimating how robust life can be and perhaps it can take hold in other conditions. Wishful thinking, perhaps.
              I tend to be into the multiverse theory . ..If you develop the tech to go into other versions of the universe you do not have far to go to look for other inhabited planets ..you can just go into the near infinite other versions of your own planet .

              so the theory i ascribe to as to who is in these craft that supposedly abduct humans and create hybrids . is that they are from an alternate earth that most likely screwed up their environment and had to genetically engineer themselves to survive ..but lost the ability to reproduce.. so they did the human thing to do..came to a less technologically developed earth and used the humans here to harvest the healthier dna .. to keep both versions of humanity going ..

              LOOK human have destroyed half the life on the planet in the last hundred years . and there is no way all 7. something or 9 billion people could have the liftyle of a poor lower middle class person in the USA ..

              So rather the the free energy the tech we may need for a better future is to start moving people from this earth to other earths
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                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                I tend to be into the multiverse theory . ..If you develop the tech to go into other versions of the universe you do not have far to go to look for other inhabited planets ..you can just go into the near infinite other versions of your own planet .

                so the theory i ascribe to as to who is in these craft that supposedly abduct humans and create hybrids . is that they are from an alternate earth that most likely screwed up their environment and had to genetically engineer themselves to survive ..but lost the ability to reproduce.. so they did the human thing to do..came to a less technologically developed earth and used the humans here to harvest the healthier dna .. to keep both versions of humanity going ..

                LOOK human have destroyed half the life on the planet in the last hundred years . and there is no way all 7. something or 9 billion people could have the liftyle of a poor lower middle class person in the USA ..

                So rather the the free energy the tech we may need for a better future is to start moving people from this earth to other earths
                Not talking about other dimensions or parallel universes or Earths , must be clear on this. Talking about physical universes. Our universe would be round if seen from a distance, a ball of stars and material. The theory is that there is an infinite amount of them, each self contained, but not in other dimensions, physically next to each other. An infinite sea of them, bubbles of matter.
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              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              If you are into the multiverse theory .
              I'm not. I'm just assuming this galaxy...in this universe.

              By the way, galaxies are moving away from each other (except for Andromeda, which is going to collide with our galaxy to form a bigger one), because space itself is expanding.

              Eventually, we will not be able to see any other galaxy but our own.

              It takes light 100,000 years to travel across our own galaxy. But it takes millions and billions of years...at the speed of light... to travel between galaxies. So I'm assuming that intergalactic travel is a fantasy.

              In fact, interstellar travel is way beyond anything we can rationally imagine....based on any technology that is real and current.

              We may be stuck here...
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                It takes light 100,000 years to travel across our own galaxy. But it takes millions and billions of years...at the speed of light... to travel between galaxies. So I'm assuming that intergalactic travel is a fantasy.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I'm not. I'm just assuming this galaxy...in this universe.

                By the way, galaxies are moving away from each other (except for Andromeda, which is going to collide with our galaxy to form a bigger one), because space itself is expanding.

                Eventually, we will not be able to see any other galaxy but our own.

                It takes light 100,000 years to travel across our own galaxy. But it takes millions and billions of years...at the speed of light... to travel between galaxies. So I'm assuming that intergalactic travel is a fantasy.

                In fact, interstellar travel is way beyond anything we can rationally imagine....based on any technology that is real and current.

                We may be stuck here...
                The fact we have not destryed ourselves is amazing .. there where times it was close ..

                and forget just the propulsion and ships..the human body deteriorates fast in orbit or when outside the atmosphere of the planet ..we may be able to build ships or propulsions systems .. but then we need interstellar travel capable bodies ..

                we are stuck on earth ..doesn't mean we are stuck on this earth
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Ha!

            I also didn't mention the fact that for us to communicate with another planet, the distance is so vast, that two way communication would take hundreds or even thousands of years for one question-answer exchange.

            When we see them, we are seeing them thousands (in our own galaxy) of years in the past. And they are seeing us thousands of years in the past. Assuming they point their probes precisely in our direction. (like shooting a basketball and making a basket 5,000 miles away. That kind of pinpoint accuracy...by guessing). And they don't know we are here before they find us. So they have no reference point to know the direction to look.

            Timing is also a factor.

            The universe has been here for 14 billion years. We have had technology (in any meaningful way) for a tad over 100 years.

            Communications(or a probe) would have to be sent or received during the short period of time that there is an advanced civilization on a planet. Who knows how long that lasts? They would have to see us as an advanced civilization...and be able to communicate with us (or make the trip) while we are still an advanced civilization.

            And why would they come? To study us? Learn from us? Colonize? Take our resources?

            How would any of that be worth the trip? Why do we think we are so fascinating?

            I'm not saying that there aren't other life forms like ours..close enough to make us aware of each other.

            I'm pointing out that the more we know...the more we learn...the less likely we see this as true.

            ...until the magic year 2033, when NASA blows the lid off of this vast conspiracy/coverup.
            Chlorophyll (plants) and protein (animals) seem to be rare throughout the universe and are about the only things plentiful on Earth that are probably not easier to find and mine in many other places. Maybe we can add DNA to the list.
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    UFO's and aliens .. worst kept secret, worst conspiracy , worst cover up ever ..

    why would all the worlds government who disagree on nearly everything else ..agree to keep UFo's a secret hell Russian and putin would be calling down UFo's to tell the world and make The USA look foolish.. if that was a thing that could be done .

    Humanity is not ready or at a state of consciousness to support the tech of alien cultures.. the reason we don't have zero point or unlimited free energy ..is not because the oil companies .. it's because it is real easy to weaponize ..

    the oil empire is already running it's course as solar and renewable will be cheaper per kwh once low cost battery storage is common .. thant to produce electricity with oil.. it is already cheaper in mideast countries ..and there using cheap solar power to desalinate water and grow food in hydroponic greenhouses ..

    I lIstened to peak oil bull crap for ten year before American frackers have sent the old oil empire reeling ..but you have no respect for what humans are actually doing .. or the good things .. your sitting on your hand waiting for the aliens to come down and give us the tech to save us from ourselves ...
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    In a world where nobody can keep a secret about which celebrity is sleeping with which, we're supposed to believe that thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of people in the know have all kept their mouth shut about the existence of aliens?

    Almost no country can get along and agree on much of anything, but they are all coordinating to keep this conspiracy together. Yeah. Right.

    I wish you actually understood the definition of evidence. Because someone said it on the internet does not make something evidence.
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      In a world where nobody can keep a secret about which celebrity is sleeping with which, we're supposed to believe that thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of people in the know have all kept their mouth shut about the existence of aliens?

      Almost no country can get along and agree on much of anything, but they are all coordinating to keep this conspiracy together. Yeah. Right.

      I wish you actually understood the definition of evidence. Because someone said it on the internet does not make something evidence.
      the critical element of this is .. there is no one keeping this a secret .. there is just no one in government willing to talk about it .. most people think there is probably life out there and a great number believe it is possible they are here ..

      the biggest block right now is the perverse need of the conspiracy community for the government to come and talk about all they know . like the thousands of books out there is not enough .. if their was a real cover up or conspiracy .. there would be no books .. no videos on you tube .. no government investigations ..

      Waiting for the US government and the other government to say it's ok to believe in aliens . or beings from other space .. but the craft people actually see are humans from another earth timeline .. so there not really Aliens or Extraterrestrials ..just other humans harvesting dna from us to create hybrids ..

      or whatever story .. and thet the craft don't really have propulsion systems at all

      Haha ..the rabbit hole is deep.. and the pile of horse manure high ..

      As long as people need the government to confirm their beliefs ..the truth is not knowable
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    How many people in the US thought the stealth bomber was a UFO when it was being tested? It had to be flown before the US ever put it in actual combat situations. You think the military is going to announce to the enemy. Hey we are building a top secert bomber to strike you.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    I appreciate you finding and posting the video.
    Sadly, what this really shows me is that all of us are subject to believing just about anything. He may have seen a Youtube video, or a photo that showed a shadow that he interpreted as a monolith.

    Astronauts are highly trained pilots. Exceptional people. But they have no more insight into what's out there than any of us, except in the near Earth orbit.

    If the movies 2001 and 2010 weren't made, nobody would ever claim to see a monolith. The idea was made up, not based on anything real. .

    And if astronomers at NASA haven't seen it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But it almost certainly means that Buzz hasn't seen it either.

    And if there was any evidence of life outside of Earth, NASA would be the first to jump on that. It would give them a real reason to exist and get funding. Heck, we saw a microscopic shape on a meteor rock, and NASA almost went insane.

    NASA is made up of science geeks, not secret agents.
    Yes, in other words you don't want to believe in it, no shame in admitting that.

    As for the other points build a series or telescopes in our solar system and use a atom scale supercomputer to collate it all, and you could easily see a Carl Sagan, Voyager type image of an earth scale planet around another star, or a blue, (Water) green, (plantlife) dot.

    So barring the distance barrier, a culture a mere couple of hundred years ahead of us, would know about us, and most others by now.

    As for Buzz imagining things, we will see in 15 years time, when we get HD images of it.

    NASA will be the first, lol, as l have clearly shown in the recent past, they will be the last! Oil reserves dictate when we will be told the truth.


    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    UFO's and aliens .. worst kept secret, worst conspiracy , worst cover up ever ..

    why would all the worlds government who disagree on nearly everything else ..agree to keep UFo's a secret hell Russian and putin would be calling down UFo's to tell the world and make The USA look foolish.. if that was a thing that could be done .

    Humanity is not ready or at a state of consciousness to support the tech of alien cultures.. the reason we don't have zero point or unlimited free energy ..is not because the oil companies .. it's because it is real easy to weaponize ..

    the oil empire is already running it's course as solar and renewable will be cheaper per kwh once low cost battery storage is common .. thant to produce electricity with oil.. it is already cheaper in mideast countries ..and there using cheap solar power to desalinate water and grow food in hydroponic greenhouses ..

    I lIstened to peak oil bull crap for ten year before American frackers have sent the old oil empire reeling ..but you have no respect for what humans are actually doing .. or the good things .. your sitting on your hand waiting for the aliens to come down and give us the tech to save us from ourselves ...
    Yes, as others are saying, it would be too hard to keep a lid on a UFO at area 51, so world gov, don't.

    They indirectly allow people, video's, etc to filter into human consciousness, but twist some of it. Or use some of their craft as props.

    Best way to keep a secret about something so big, (it cannot be kept a secret) is to almost tell the truth!


    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Tag the whole problem with the aliens have visited us cover up story is that it ignores a much more viable explanation (which we already know in part to be true) -

    Our governments do not share with us all their technology. Trillions have now been spent over years by the military. Why do we assume that simply because some craft moves faster than anything we know - it has an origin outside this planet? Would our government have volunteered the existence of a nuclear bomb if they didn't drop one on Japan? doubtful.

    and if they hadn't wouldn't we have conspiracy theories about alien crashes when someone detected a nuclear test? probably.

    People clearly are seeing somethng real with UFOs but all that UFO means is Unidentified Flying Object

    Not Extraterrestrial Flying Object
    Apart from the Apollo one!


    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Very good point, considering that reputable single and mass sightings, photographs and recordings have been accumulating for many years. And, it is naive to think that even a person of average intelligence would not have a pretty good Idea as to how a plane or helicopter can perform. Our sky's are full of them. Something is being seen

    But when you see something performing impossible maneuvers it does not need to be extraterrestrial, just new forms of propulsion and appropriate craft design that are being tested. A form of propulsion that allows a craft to leave the ground and travel and maneuver like that would also not be limited to the aerodynamic plane type design and could be made any shape and size. People report many variations.

    If you can't take that under consideration as an explanation then based on what people have seen, drawn and photographed, the extraterrestrial stance would mean many races with different types of craft. If it was just one or 2 races then craft would most likely be utilitarian with only a few design variations. Not what is being seen.

    This makes it more likely that it's just us experimenting with some advanced tech we have developed.
    Yes, scientists are messing around with resonance, UH frequency tech as we speak,

    Or they are starting to learn from nature that space/time can be changed in a localized way, which explains why a UFO doing manouvures that would spaghetti us, doesn't affect them.

    We could have had antigravity some time ago, but it is too dangerous, (military wise).

    We could have had free energy since world war 2, but it has military applications, and the oil thing.

    But yeah, the clock or should l say sundial is counting down.

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Yes, in other words you don't want to believe in it, no shame in admitting that.:
      Nobody believes what they want to believe. They believe what they accept as true. And that is always the exact point when learning stops.

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      As for the other points build a series or telescopes in our solar system and use a atom scale supercomputer to collate it all, and you could easily see a Carl Sagan, Voyager type image of an earth scale planet around another star, or a blue, (Water) green, (plantlife) dot.:
      Yes. So very easy. None of what you said here is nonsensical gibberish.

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      So barring the distance barrier, a culture a mere couple of hundred years ahead of us, would know about us, and most others by now.:
      Yes. I agree. Ignore the laws of physics....ignore the speed of light. Except for those pesky details, everything you say is completely rational.

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      They indirectly allow people, video's, etc to filter into human consciousness, but twist some of it. Or use some of their craft as props.
      :
      And you know that...how? Of course, We don't have your vast resource of underground NASA knowledge, or your network of informants....


      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Or they are starting to learn from nature that space/time can be changed in a localized way, which explains why a UFO doing manouvures that would spaghetti us, doesn't affect them.

      We could have had antigravity some time ago, but it is too dangerous, (military wise).

      We could have had free energy since world war 2, but it has military applications, and the oil thing.
      I hate to use this word so often...but genius. I
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Nobody believes what they want to believe. They believe what they accept as true. And that is always the exact point when learning stops.
        They believe what they accept as true, regardless.

        Yes. So very easy. None of what you said here is nonsensical gibberish.
        Sorry my mistake, apparently NASA has found a shortcut, and will show us several Earth like planets in the next 9 years.

        https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...another-earth/

        Working in tandem, the starshade and the telescope could snap pictures of perhaps 40 planets, including a few that in size and orbit would mirror Earth. "If and only if it has a starshade, WFIRST could give us images of a few true-blue Earths late next decade rather than waiting for another 20 years," says Jeremy Kasdin, a Princeton University professor and lead scientist for WFIRST's coronagraph who co-authored the NASA starshade study.
        If we can pull it off, then aliens can certainly expand on that.

        Well, NASA's nonsensical, gibberish, lol.

        Yes. I agree. Ignore the laws of physics....ignore the speed of light. Except for those pesky details, everything you say is completely rational.
        Not ignoring anything, if the new telescope can see 10 light years away and spot a blue planet, then it is pretty likely that it will still be habitable by the time we got a closer look.

        Hawkings idea could get us that closer look within our lifetimes.


        And you know that...how? Of course, We don't have your vast resource of underground NASA knowledge, or your network of informants....

        I hate to use this word so often...but genius. I
        Blowing away the breadcrumbs, makes the path to truth more elusive.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Apart from the Apollo one!

      Or they are starting to learn from nature that space/time can be changed in a localized way, which explains why a UFO doing manouvures that would spaghetti us, doesn't affect them.

      We could have had antigravity some time ago, but it is too dangerous, (military wise).

      We could have had free energy since world war 2, but it has military applications, and the oil thing.

      But yeah, the clock or should l say sundial is counting down.

      You are to be congratulated. i don't think I have ever seen so many conspiracy theories packed into one post before. The only thing missing was that Big Foot is an alien whose shaving kit was destroyed in a crash in the 1930s.
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      Who's winning?
      I did - by basically ignoring this thread.
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      Who's winning?
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        By default......Everyone who has never met Big Frank.
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        By default......Everyone who has never met Big Frank.
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