What do you rich folks do for a living if I may ask?

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Broke ass lurker here with bills and massive debt, just wondering when all this will end, so I'm asking politely; what do you guys do for a living? Any business, I don't care, I just want to get off of this hell-hole that I find myself in.

Edit: Just want to thank all of you. To those that tried to render me help, I'm absolutely grateful, especially to the person that posted the alphasccards subreddit link, you're my savior, I can't thank you enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi BearSnack,

    Sounds like you are in a tough spot buddy. Been there on both counts.

    Here's my advice: the only way to get out of the hole is to feel the fears - however unpleasant - fueling your money circumstances now. Once you feel the fear and pain, you clear it. Then you feel better and do as prospering people do, and over time, money will flow in.

    What rich people do for a living does not make them money; even though it appears to be the case. The wealthy individual themselves simply vibes at a certain level that allows in money, money-making ideas, wealthy folks and prospering circumstances.

    I recall selling my online course for $30 and my coaching services for $20 many years ago. I was broke, miserable and had tons of fears around money. I finally sat with and felt the pain behind my money suffering. It sucked. But after I walked out of the haze, I began getting a bunch of inspired ideas and acted on them immediately. I raised my course and coaching services prices by ten fold. Actually more. I sold more courses and landed more clients at the ten fold price than at the peanuts price.

    It wasn't what I was doing my friend. It was what I was *being*. That's the difference maker, and that is the quickest although the most uncomfortable way to allow more money into your experience.

    All the best.

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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by BearSnack View Post

    Broke ass lurker here with bills and massive debt, just wondering when all this will end, so I'm asking politely; what do you guys do for a living? Any business, I don't care, I just want to get off of this hell-hole that I find myself in.
    I am hoping to make a living on the Stock Market, and have promising data to confirm that.

    But l only have been at it for 2 weeks, so no authority, and most blow a wad on it initially, so it is not for everyone.

    You may also consider Fiverr for a reasonably quick buck, although they want hard work for little profits initially.

    And hub graphic/software, etc sites, might work, but there are restrictions and it takes quite a lot of time to make anything noteworthy from that, (l know l spent years doing that).

    From what l have seen online most day or spring traders, blow all or a good part of their money in the first 6 months, which l tend to go with, as if it was easy, no one would work for someone else.

    I am also bringing over a lot of research techniques, l have developed over the years, which probably explains why it looks promising.

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  • Profile picture of the author rwizz99
    Ultimately, it does not matter what you do, but what kinds of opportunities you find for yourself. Most people who are successful are innovators and people who do things differently, who invent and find unique paths. Another thing these people usually have in common is that they are passionate about what they are doing. If you have a job that pays for your yacht but you hate it, you're not going to be happy anyway, no matter what material possessions you own. If it's all about the money for you, I hear investment bankers are always doing great.

    Also, forgot to say... I wish you luck and to find something that drives you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    well what skills do you have that you can make money with outside of a job ..and what interests you.. i would say forget anything online at the moment ..i know i know sacrilege ..

    look at your bills and try and remember how you spend money ..or track what you are spending it on ..if you really want to get out of debt you need to spend less money and divert it to paying off debt ..learn to roast and brew the best coffee you can at home , buy yourself an instant pot or other electric pressure cooker .. and or an airfryer .. and learn to cook multiple meals for yourself at one time .. rather than spend what you are probably spending on take or and or other processed or fast foods .

    9 in ten business will fail..so that is why i am telling you to learn to save money and use that to pay off debt first ..the way to kill a new business real fast is not leave enough money in to invest back into an grow a business ..

    ig your goal is to pay off your debt ..many people are able to do that without starting a business ..but it is easy to start a business with resources you have if you have some skill or are willing to develop them ..and wealthy people get wealthy by first controlling their spending and having savings they can then invest or start businesses with .

    look at the number of ways outside a job and regular business you can earn money outside work. an extra 50$ or 100$ or more in a weekend ..
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Another desperate thread. Bad start.

    Online isn't instant riches.

    Go mow a yard, If you have a truck haul junk to the dump. Both of those pay decent money/cash. Not glamorous but you get to eat and have a roof over your head.

    I know a guy that hauls junk in a $900 truck, hell, it's junk but it runs and he banks about $1,500 a week after dump fees and gas. No truck payment, mostly cash business. Works alone.

    Yes offline is work.

    Yes online is work.

    Either way you're working If you want the money.

    Learn IM when things settle down and you're not desperate for money. You can stop adding to the debt at anytime, that's up to you.
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    • Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Another desperate thread. Bad start.

      Online isn't instant riches.

      Go mow a yard, If you have a truck haul junk to the dump. Both of those pay decent money/cash. Not glamorous but you get to eat and have a roof over your head.

      I know a guy that hauls junk in a $900 truck, hell, it's junk but it runs and he banks about $1,500 a week after dump fees and gas. No truck payment, mostly cash business. Works alone.

      Yes offline is work.

      Yes online is work.

      Either way you're working If you want the money.

      I know a guy that traveled the mid USA...buying used vacuum cleaners from in home vacuum dealers...and sold them to vacuum cleaner retailers. I both bought and sold with him.

      He drove a truck that hauled horses...full of vacuum cleaners. He made about $500,000 a year, working six months a year. When he retired, I almost bought his route.

      I made a small fortune buying used air purifiers, with an ad in local weekly "newspapers" (the free ad ones). I sold them with an ad in the same papers. I did that for a few years.

      Buying liquidations, closed business inventory, used equipment and reselling it on E-Bay is profitable, if you know what you are doing.

      I've bought huge volumes of office furniture and furniture from hotels that are buying new stuff...for pennies...and sold at huge profits. But you need a little money to start and a place to store everything.

      What do I do now? I own a retail store and am nearly retired. Apparently,I vibrated at the right frequency.

      If I had nothing? I'd find something to sell, and get started that way..like I did.

      In my oh so humble opinion...if you have nothing, online marketing isn't the right choice. The learning curve is steep. And most people fail. Get a job, save money, start in your spare time. Learn as you go.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I know a guy that traveled the mid USA...buying used vacuum cleaners from in home vacuum dealers...and sold them to vacuum cleaner retailers. I both bought and sold with him.

        He drove a truck that hauled horses...full of vacuum cleaners. He made about $500,000 a year, working six months a year. When he retired, I almost bought his route.

        I made a small fortune buying used air purifiers, with an ad in local weekly "newspapers" (the free ad ones). I sold them with an ad in the same papers. I did that for a few years.

        Buying liquidations, closed business inventory, used equipment and reselling it on E-Bay is profitable, if you know what you are doing.

        I've bought huge volumes of office furniture and furniture from hotels that are buying new stuff...for pennies...and sold at huge profits. But you need a little money to start and a place to store everything.

        What do I do now? I own a retail store and am nearly retired. Apparently,I vibrated at the right frequency.

        If I had nothing? I'd find something to sell, and get started that way..like I did.

        In my oh so humble opinion...if you have nothing, online marketing isn't the right choice. The learning curve is steep. And most people fail. Get a job, save money, start in your spare time. Learn as you go.
        online is also fickle if you do build a stream of income from you tube or facebook or whatever ..and say youtube changes the rule like it does every few months and demonitizes most of your videos and cuts the views to a tenth ..

        the swept the story under the rug of the woman who got so upset about losing all her income from youtube policy changes she drove to youtube headquarters and started shooting people ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Broke ass lurker here with bills and massive debt, just wondering when all this will end, so I'm asking politely; what do you guys do for a living? Any business, I don't care, I just want to get off of this hell-hole that I find myself in
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    You joined the WF a year ago - where ya been? You could be earning by now

    If you have bills and debt doesn't matter what others do for a living- you need to do anything and everything to get yourself 'upside right'. If you want your circumstances to change - do what you have to do to change them.

    Your choice - stop lurking and start learning/working....get a job (or two or three) and dig out of the hole....or do nothing and next year will be the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author Haris Wassi
    Step 1
    Sign up with ClickBank. Get a hoplink

    Step 2
    Go to Fiverr.com
    Find someone ( top seller or level 2 seller ONLY ) to drive traffic to this link.
    ( info products / digital products tend to sell well in the US, UK, Canada, Australia)
    Get this TRAFFIC GUY to drive the traffic from those countries only.
    Do price shopping.

    Step 3
    If you throw in $70 and you get back $80, you're making a profit.
    If you throw in $70 and you get back $60, you're making a loss.
    Simple math.

    Step 4
    Repeat process
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by BearSnack View Post

    Broke ass lurker here with bills and massive debt, just wondering when all this will end, so I'm asking politely; what do you guys do for a living? Any business, I don't care, I just want to get off of this hell-hole that I find myself in.
    No affiliation with this guy, but, spend an hour and read all of his flips over the last couple of years. www.fleamarketflipper.com

    Start with your TV, sell it, and then start buying and selling stuff. Consider eBay, Craigslist, Facebook Groups, Amazon, even Google all offer stuff for sale, and you can always find stuff in your local paper, even on the curb.

    So, get off your broke ass and sell something, BEGIN, until you find the thing you really want to do. If making money NOW is what you need, there is nothing faster than selling what you have (underprice it to get capital), buying and then flipping for a fast PROFIT.

    Any reason you couldn't do this?

    GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Haris Wassi
    When you are super hungry, forget about fine dining. Anything will do including drinking your own piss water. Only when you are ok you start thinking about better things.
    Can a super broke guy think about a highly converting sales funnel, an awesome sales copy, come up with a great product with a great offer, a kickass email auto responder sequence, set up a highly coverting Facebook ad, youtube ad, google adwords, build a huge mailing list,etc,etc.....???

    You can only do any or all of those things once you're out of the SLAVE WHEEL. Not while you're in it.

    So, FIRST THINGS FIRST. Just do anything that drips money regardless how little RIGHT NOW. Only when you are properly juiced up then you start doing better things.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by Haris Wassi View Post

      When you are super hungry, forget about fine dining. Anything will do including drinking your own piss water.



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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        haha..the opening statement was bad enough..but 95 percent of people who buy bizops or how to make fortune online..are broke people who are dreaming they can set up all that stuff and make a fortune
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Haris Wassi View Post

    Step 1
    Sign up with ClickBank. Get a hoplink

    Step 2
    Go to Fiverr.com
    Find someone ( top seller or level 2 seller ONLY ) to drive traffic to this link.
    ( info products / digital products tend to sell well in the US, UK, Canada, Australia)
    Get this TRAFFIC GUY to drive the traffic from those countries only.
    Do price shopping.

    Step 3
    If you throw in $70 and you get back $80, you're making a profit.
    If you throw in $70 and you get back $60, you're making a loss.
    Simple math.

    Step 4
    Repeat process
    Only trouble with that idea, is they don't allow PLR products anymore!

    I sold almost 20 PLR products years ago, with some doing reasonably well, but since it was, someone wants to buy and l give it to them, (about 10 seconds work for $4) they came up with some BS, (or updated their TOS) and took the lot of the market place.

    And if you make a comment with a Clickbank link, then your account will probably be there one day and gone the next.

    Fiverr, (unless you can get into the big league) only want people to work hard for very little, but if you are prepared to work for up to an hour for $4, then it is a option, that costs very little to start, (l think you need $5 to initiate your account).

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by Haris Wassi View Post

      Step 1
      Sign up with ClickBank. Get a hoplink

      Step 2
      Go to Fiverr.com
      Find someone ( top seller or level 2 seller ONLY ) to drive traffic to this link.
      ( info products / digital products tend to sell well in the US, UK, Canada, Australia)
      Get this TRAFFIC GUY to drive the traffic from those countries only.
      Do price shopping.

      Step 3
      If you throw in $70 and you get back $80, you're making a profit.
      If you throw in $70 and you get back $60, you're making a loss.
      Simple math.

      Step 4
      Repeat process
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Only trouble with that idea, is they don't allow PLR products anymore!


      The reality is all the fiverr traffic being sold is fake referrer bots pumping up the analytics just so you feel special.

      Top seller [sic]?

      Whatever.
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  • Profile picture of the author HayleeDun
    Originally Posted by BearSnack View Post

    Broke ass lurker here with bills and massive debt, just wondering when all this will end, so I'm asking politely; what do you guys do for a living? Any business, I don't care, I just want to get off of this hell-hole that I find myself in.
    Any business? Including illegal ones?

    Your current situation will end when you get your ass up and do something about it, it isn't permanent unless you want it to be, there's no point in thinking about what others are doing for a living.

    Anyway, (promotional comment removed by mod), don't expect to become a millionaire, though, but rather a comfortable thousandaire like us degenerates.
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Even as a kid, I always dreamed of being rich someday, but still followed the traditional route of getting an "education" and a real job. But actually perhaps the best thing that ever happened to me was getting fired from my job.

    This resulted in unpaid bills piling up and eventually defaulting on my mortgage and losing my home. I had to move my family around wherever I was a able to find work, which was usually menial labor. What turned things around for me was the real estate guy who arranged for the short-sell of my house, who shortly afterwards became my mentor.

    He sponsored me into network marketing, investing, and introduced me to Jim Rohn's works about real life rags-to-riches.

    "Don't wish it was easier, wish you were better. Don't wish for less problems, wish for more skills. Don't wish for less challenges, wish for more wisdom."

    "You must either modify your dreams or magnify your skills."

    "You must take personal responsibility. You cannot change the circumstances, the seasons, or the wind, but you can change yourself. That is something you have charge of."

    "If you don't design your own life plan, chances are you'll fall into someone else's plan. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much."

    "Failure is not a single, cataclysmic event. You don't fail overnight. Instead, failure is a few errors in judgment, repeated every day."

    "Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune."

    "Success is not to be pursued; it is to be attracted by the person you become."
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      "Don't wish it was easier, wish you were better. Don't wish for less problems, wish for more skills. Don't wish for less challenges, wish for more wisdom."
      Don't wish for anything. Do something!
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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Don't wish for anything. Do something!
        I wish I could fly.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Don't wish for anything. Do something!
        So, what is this "something" that a broke ass lurker living in a hell-hole with bills and massive debt could do?
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          So, what is this "something" that a broke ass lurker living in a hell-hole with bills and massive debt could do?
          The world is filled with opportunity, for those that want to seek it out. Others will use being a broke-ass lurker, living in a hell-hole, with bills and massive debt as an excuse for not making any attempt at making their life better.

          I've been homeless twice in my life. Somehow I managed to rebuild my life, create a successful business and retire to enjoy the life I have always wanted. That's why I have no sympathy for people that spend their time sitting on the pity-pot, None!

          Of course, I believe in grabbing life by the balls and twisting until I get what I want. The only power you have in life is that which you grant yourself and learn to use to it's maximum potential.

          Everything in life is about attitude. People don't do anything to change their lives until they come to truly hate the life they have. This is when a person finds out precisely what they are made of and whether or not they possess any inner strength of character.

          If your life is broken, get off your dead ass and fix it. Either that or resign yourself to your lot in life and quit your bitchin' and moanin.' Those of us that know how are trying to think, damnit!

          We all have a choice, whether we want to believe we do or not. For any person with two good arms, two good legs, two good eyes and an IQ that at least hovers around room temperature to complain about their situation is beyond sad. The only thing sadder is being someone that would support them in their self-destructive behavior by enabling them.

          Hey, but that's just me. I believe that there are only two things you need to be succesful in life, if you have the aforementioned arms, legs, eyes and requisite IQ.

          1. Indefatigable will.

          2. Indomitable spirit.

          Anything you can add to those traits is just gravy. :-)

          Cheers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          So, what is this "something" that a broke ass lurker living in a hell-hole with bills and massive debt could do?
          rather than reading a bunch of motivational quotes ..and i love Jim rohn quotes ..the best option is to study dave ramsey's methods for getting out of debt, learn to cook ones own food instead of buying take out all the time.. thrift shopping..and maybe thrift and flee market flipping for extra cash..to get out of debt ..

          i mean quote jim rohn fine..then give advice that can back up the quote this is 2018..and there are plenty of places to point people to get real steps to take to get out of debt. or learn skills to make extra cash in spare time. cut costs ..

          he wants to know how to get out of debt ..starting a business if he has no skills .is the worst thing he can do.. learning to flip stuff or find free stuff on craigslist cleant it up fix it up ..paint it..and sell it ..can find a hundred videos and websites and blogs to learn from people doing it

          learning to get out of debt and stay out of debt and to use youtube to learn easy skills to learn ..are two of the best self improvement skills ..that will pay off for life
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            rather than reading a bunch of motivational quotes ..and i love Jim rohn quotes ..the best option is to study dave ramsey's methods for getting out of debt, learn to cook ones own food instead of buying take out all the time.. thrift shopping..and maybe thrift and flee market flipping for extra cash..to get out of debt ..

            i mean quote jim rohn fine..then give advice that can back up the quote this is 2018..and there are plenty of places to point people to get real steps to take to get out of debt. or learn skills to make extra cash in spare time. cut costs ..

            he wants to know how to get out of debt ..starting a business if he has no skills .is the worst thing he can do.. learning to flip stuff or find free stuff on craigslist cleant it up fix it up ..paint it..and sell it ..can find a hundred videos and websites and blogs to learn from people doing it

            learning to get out of debt and stay out of debt and to use youtube to learn easy skills to learn ..are two of the best self improvement skills ..that will pay off for life


            That's why I said earlier for OP to stop adding to the debt at anytime.

            A lot of people don't understand how to manage their money. It's not only what you earn, it's also about spending wisely and saving money to prevent future financial problems.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              That's why I said earlier for OP to stop adding to the debt at anytime.

              A lot of people don't understand how to manage their money. It's not only what you earn, it's also about spending wisely and saving money to prevent future financial problems.
              and i pointed out where the op can go to get a plan for for getting out of debt ..that has steps.. and things they can do to get current spending down ....so yes telling him to stop adding to the debt ..is as good advice as telling someone who is over weight to eat less and move more ..

              of course most people do not understand how to manage money..in a society with an economy built on consumption , where your fico score ..your ability or worthiness to go in debt is more important to many people than real income..and it be hard to get people to take out tens of thousand or hundreds of thousand of dollars debt for student loans when they have never earned money ..so people generally have to learn after they are deep in a hole

              Yukon you understand how much money is made by corperate and banking interests because there is no financial education in the educational system ..it is 2018 though ..so there are plenty of directions to point people once they really have to learn ..
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                and i pointed out where the op can go to get a plan for for getting out of debt ..that has steps.. and things they can do to get current spending down ....so yes telling him to stop adding to the debt ..is as good advice as telling someone who is over weight to eat less and move more ..

                of course most people do not understand how to manage money..in a society with an economy built on consumption , where your fico score ..your ability or worthiness to go in debt is more important to many people than real income..and it be hard to get people to take out tens of thousand or hundreds of thousand of dollars debt for student loans when they have never earned money ..so people generally have to learn after they are deep in a hole
                So spend money on Dave Ramsey to get out of debt?

                No thanks, but I'll take Getting out of debt isn't rocket surgery for $100.
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                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  So spend money on Dave Ramsey to get out of debt?

                  No thanks, but I'll take Getting out of debt isn't rocket surgery for $100.
                  so where would you point someone to learn how to manage money better and get out of debt
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

    Somehow I managed to rebuild my life, create a successful business and retire to enjoy the life I have always wanted. That's why I have no sympathy for people that spend their time sitting on the pity-pot.
    Lives spent just sitting on the pity-pot is actually a very popular activity, with 97% of the population participating.

    "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."
    - Henry David Thoreau
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      Lives spent just sitting on the pity-pot is actually a very popular activity, with 97% of the population participating.

      "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."
      - Henry David Thoreau
      Lol, you baited him with another quote.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Lol, you baited him with another quote.
        "Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example."
        - Mark Twain
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      Lives spent just sitting on the pity-pot is actually a very popular activity, with 97% of the population participating.

      "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."
      - Henry David Thoreau
      where does that 97 percent figure come from ..or is that assumining that everyone under a certain level of income is only ther because they are on the pity pot
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        where does that 97 percent figure come from ..or is that assumining that everyone under a certain level of income is only ther because they are on the pity pot
        My business leads all come from people sitting on the pot. Whiners and complainers about their jobs, the economy, lay-offs, massive debt, broke-ass lurkers, etc are like dust. They are everywhere.

        "Thousands of geniuses live and die undiscovered -- either by themselves or by others."
        - Mark Twain
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        • Originally Posted by myob View Post

          My business leads all come from people sitting on the pot. Whiners and complainers about their jobs, the economy, lay-offs, massive debt, broke-ass lurkers, etc are like dust. They are everywhere.

          "Thousands of geniuses live and die undiscovered -- either by themselves or by others."
          - Mark Twain
          I'm sorry to hear that. A market like that would kill me.

          I know a lawyer who's entire client list are people who are trying to stop creditors from collecting on the debts they owe. How he survives the day, I don't know. These people drain the life out of me.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I'm sorry to hear that. A market like that would kill me.
            It is indeed a national tragedy, afflicting 97% of the population. Most of these broken down people really do have a potential they will never know. We teach that being broke is just a temporary condition, but being chronically poor and dependent is an attitude.

            "You were born to win, but to be a winner, you must plan to win, prepare to win, and expect to win."
            - Zig Ziglar
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    Originally Posted by BearSnack View Post

    Broke ass lurker here with bills and massive debt, just wondering when all this will end, so I'm asking politely; what do you guys do for a living? Any business, I don't care, I just want to get off of this hell-hole that I find myself in.
    Rich? There are virtually no rich people here, just a lot of fakers, so be careful. Admitting you are broke and encumbered with debt is like spilling blood in the ocean: the sharks will come.

    To answer your question: I'm not rich, but I'm quite comfortable. I work in corporate digital marketing and I'm unashamed to say that I'm an expert in this field. As such, I personally have little patience for the nonsense I see proliferating the net (including this forum).

    Please do not buy/invest in any "business opportunity". You are vulnerable and are a clear mark for opportunistic confidence artists.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    I wish I could fly.
    I can help you with that, but l won't clean it up afterwards.

    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    rather than reading a bunch of motivational quotes ..and i love Jim rohn quotes ..the best option is to study dave ramsey's methods for getting out of debt, learn to cook ones own food instead of buying take out all the time.. thrift shopping..and maybe thrift and flee market flipping for extra cash..to get out of debt ..

    i mean quote jim rohn fine..then give advice that can back up the quote this is 2018..and there are plenty of places to point people to get real steps to take to get out of debt. or learn skills to make extra cash in spare time. cut costs ..

    he wants to know how to get out of debt ..starting a business if he has no skills .is the worst thing he can do.. learning to flip stuff or find free stuff on craigslist cleant it up fix it up ..paint it..and sell it ..can find a hundred videos and websites and blogs to learn from people doing it

    learning to get out of debt and stay out of debt and to use youtube to learn easy skills to learn ..are two of the best self improvement skills ..that will pay off for life
    Pretty easy to get out of depth, first off go here and buy as much of this emergency type food as you can stomach or afford, (l am not prom, this, it is just an example).

    https://www.costco.com/emergency-kits-supplies.html

    Works out to about $2 a meal.

    Then clock up the credit cards if the interest rate works out to be cheaper than what you presently have.

    And keep some of that aside, for any business ideas? Although Fiverr works, or did when l tried it years ago, (not PLR though).

    Originally Posted by myob View Post

    Lives spent just sitting on the pity-pot is actually a very popular activity, with 97% of the population participating.

    "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."
    - Henry David Thoreau
    Yes, l know Googlebox shows the inept commenting on the stupid, or the dull.

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Pretty easy to get out of depth...
      Debt, depth, same thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I can help you with that, but l won't clean it up afterwards.



      Pretty easy to get out of depth, first off go here and buy as much of this emergency type food as you can stomach or afford, (l am not prom, this, it is just an example).

      https://www.costco.com/emergency-kits-supplies.html

      Works out to about $2 a meal.

      Then clock up the credit cards if the interest rate works out to be cheaper than what you presently have.

      And keep some of that aside, for any business ideas? Although Fiverr works, or did when l tried it years ago, (not PLR though).



      Yes, l know Googlebox shows the inept commenting on the stupid, or the dull.


      so they buy crappy tasting emergency food and eventually get sick of it and go back to eating junk food and fast food ..

      verse learning a s kill humans have had for 100,000 to 200,000 years .. the reason people are in debt ..or buried in bills in the USA at least..is because they don't have realativly simple skill to master that allow and have to pay for everything the need ..so the have to work a job to earn money to buy the stuff they need ..

      it is not hard for most humans to learn to cook food that tastes good to them ..then they can learn to shop and save money buying the ingredients ..and most of the time it is healthier than anything in a box ..from a fast food join or a restaurant .

      the OP didn't go into where the debt came from.. he or she can be drowning in college loan debt as many under 40 year olds ar in the USA ..probably also has a car note..and to live close enough to a job that pays with the degree he /she has.. 600-1,000 usd a month for rent..plus what ever arm and a leg it costs for health insurance ..
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        so they buy crappy tasting emergency food and eventually get sick of it and go back to eating junk food and fast food ..

        verse learning a s kill humans have had for 100,000 to 200,000 years .. the reason people are in debt ..or buried in bills in the USA at least..is because they don't have realativly simple skill to master that allow and have to pay for everything the need ..so the have to work a job to earn money to buy the stuff they need ..

        it is not hard for most humans to learn to cook food that tastes good to them ..then they can learn to shop and save money buying the ingredients ..and most of the time it is healthier than anything in a box ..from a fast food join or a restaurant .

        the OP didn't go into where the debt came from.. he or she can be drowning in college loan debt as many under 40 year olds ar in the USA ..probably also has a car note..and to live close enough to a job that pays with the degree he /she has.. 600-1,000 usd a month for rent..plus what ever arm and a leg it costs for health insurance ..
        Yeah, ok quick solution.

        I don't think that our answers will bother him much as he seems to have done a runner.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Yeah, ok quick solution.

          I don't think that our answers will bother him much as he seems to have done a runner.
          every posts the ends up in this forum seems lose the person who posted it as they must feel the first post they put up got deleted ...
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    "Not everyone is born to win, so to be a winner, you must plan to win, prepare to win, expect to win and then take the necessary steps to make sure you win." - Big Frank

    I really miss that guy. :-(
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      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

      "Not everyone is born to win, so to be a winner, you must plan to win, prepare to win, expect to win and then take the necessary steps to make sure you win." - Big Frank

      I really miss that guy. :-(


      "Every once in a while, someone will mail me a single popcorn kernel that didn't pop. I'll get out a fresh kernel, tape it to a piece of paper and mail it back to them."

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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        "Every once in a while, someone will mail me a single popcorn kernel that didn't pop. I'll get out a fresh kernel, tape it to a piece of paper and mail it back to them." Orville Redenbacher
        That's called, 'exceptional customer service with a side order of ball-busting.'
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

      "Not everyone is born to win, so to be a winner, you must plan to win, prepare to win, expect to win and then take the necessary steps to make sure you win." - Big Frank

      I really miss that guy. :-(
      well you can't be born to win on a planet or in a universe with power law distribution where 1 percent of the people ill end up with 20-50 percent of wins ..if you play that game you are more likely born to lose ..

      and when you are in a system where the so called winners (cough cough) in the education system either had to be lucky enough to have perent that can afford to pay for huge scam of college( where you can be charged 300$ for books you never have to open to pass classes ) or you have to go into debt taking out loans to get a degree .. to supposedly get a good job ..

      because of course you have no skills of any value after 13 years of schooling from k-12 ..and then if you win in that get out..and end up with the good high paying job , where you need to get a big mortgage and take out a loans for a nice car ..

      i think i will add to yukons simple quote earlier..


      stop adding to the debt and stop trying to live rich before you are rich
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        well you can't be born to win on a planet or in a universe with power law distribution where 1 percent of the people ill end up with 20-50 percent of wins ..if you play that game you are more likely born to lose ..

        and when you are in a system where the so called winners (cough cough) in the education system either had to be lucky enough to have perent that can afford to pay for huge scam of college( where you can be charged 300$ for books you never have to open to pass classes ) or you have to go into debt taking out loans to get a degree .. to supposedly get a good job ..

        because of course you have no skills of any value after 13 years of schooling from k-12 ..and then if you win in that get out..and end up with the good high paying job , where you need to get a big mortgage and take out a loans for a nice car ..

        i think i will add to yukons simple quote earlier..


        stop adding to the debt and stop trying to live rich before you are rich
        I may be wrong, but appears to me that your posts tend to paint a picture of most people being total losers, unless they were handed opportunity on a silver platter?

        Am I missing something???
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          I may be wrong, but appears to me that your posts tend to paint a picture of most people being total losers, unless they were handed opportunity on a silver platter?

          Am I missing something???
          damn thats the picture i'm painting.. never make my money as an artist ..

          only 1 percent of people will ever be in the one percent at any one time .. so if winning is judge just on income or net worth most people are losing ..soi try to paint the picture that most people are going to lose when only a small percent of people can win ..

          there are ways that everyone can win..but if you break away from just the income metric
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          I may be wrong, but appears to me that your posts tend to paint a picture of most people being total losers, unless they were handed opportunity on a silver platter?

          Am I missing something???
          People are born to win. Watch a baby learning to walk. They fall down and get right back up countless times until they begin taking their first steps. But for most people something happens deep inside shortly thereafter. They begin to habitually choose not to get up when they fall down in life. As we've seen right here in this thread, people almost always will make comforting excuses and blame "forces" outside of their control to stay down and out.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            People are born to win. Watch a baby learning to walk. They fall down and get right back up countless times until they begin taking their first steps.
            Humans have undeveloped kneecaps at birth.

            I'm not making excuses.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              well you can't be born to win on a planet or in a universe with power law distribution where 1 percent of the people ill end up with 20-50 percent of wins ..if you play that game you are more likely born to lose ..

              and when you are in a system where the so called winners (cough cough) in the education system either had to be lucky enough to have perent that can afford to pay for huge scam of college( where you can be charged 300$ for books you never have to open to pass classes ) or you have to go into debt taking out loans to get a degree .. to supposedly get a good job ..

              because of course you have no skills of any value after 13 years of schooling from k-12 ..and then if you win in that get out..and end up with the good high paying job , where you need to get a big mortgage and take out a loans for a nice car ..

              i think i will add to yukons simple quote earlier..


              stop adding to the debt and stop trying to live rich before you are rich
              Hogwash, as Optedin, (l know that l am agreeing with him a lot lately scary) has said, if you have a brain and am fully abled, then there are no excuses.


              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              It's against most human nature to do more than is necessary to remain comfortable.

              Have you ever wondered why some people eat at cheap restaurants and others eat at better restaurants? Is it really the money? Usually the difference in price is not the main issue, it's the self image they have...who are they comfortable being around? Who do they identify with?

              What herd do they belong to? What social level makes them comfortable? What income feels right to them?

              People do what they expect of themselves and what keeps them at the level they are comfortable with.

              yup, I just can't shut up today.
              Yes, most high income earners in AU, p**** away $200 a week on restaurants, not because they have to, but because they have the money and want to enjoy it.

              Can't shut up,......l will alert all garden gnomes.

              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              This fire of winning ambition that burns within all of us at birth too often is quenched by poor choices, habits of lifestyle, and acquired attitudes (ie excusitis).
              Delusional Deniasm also plays a part in that mix, or the 100% refusal to see something.

              So wanting to be wealthy, but also blocking yourself from it is one common one.

              Not being able to see opportunities, because of DD in another area, and the list goes on.

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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I read this post and had to think about it for awhile.

              Do you really think it's 97%

              I agree, maybe 3% are capable of starting with nothing and building a great life...while amassing anything like real wealth.
              This figure may be anecdotal, but was first introduced to me by an old retired Army jughead who sponsored me into a network marketing company nearly 25 years ago.

              In the early days we focused our marketing efforts primarily towards ex-military folks, using "The Ballad of the Green Beret" by Ssgt Barry Sandler in our "Boot Camp" network marketing training and motivational courses:

              "...Silver wings upon their chest. These are men, America's best. One hundred men will test today. But only three win the Green Beret..."

              [YouTube] The Ballad of the Green Beret, by Ssgt Barry Sandler

              It seems to hold up with astonishing consistency across all socio-economic levels and virtually every industry and profession. In a recent Gallup poll, 85% of employees are dissatisfied with their jobs or "emotionally disconnected from their workplaces".

              85% of People Hate Their Jobs, Gallup Poll Says.

              In addition, the levels of unemployment, underemployment, obesity, lifestyle-induced chronic disease, substance abuse and addiction, mental health, educational underachievement, etc are devastating to true personal potential.

              This is I why I am convinced that taking into consideration all these factors, 97% of the population have self-defeating conditions and self-inflicted attitudes which are crippling to high level achievement.

              "Winning isn't everything. But wanting to win is."
              - Vince Lombardi
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                This figure may be anecdotal, but was first introduced to me by an old retired Army jughead who sponsored me into a network marketing company nearly 25 years ago.

                It seems to hold up with astonishing consistency across all socio-economic levels and virtually every industry and profession. In a recent Gallup poll, 85% of employees are dissatisfied with their jobs or "emotionally disconnected from their workplaces".

                85% of People Hate Their Jobs, Gallup Poll Says.


                This is I why I am convinced that taking into consideration all these factors, 97% of the population have self-defeating conditions and self-inflicted attitudes which are crippling to high level achievement.

                "Winning isn't everything. But wanting to win is."
                - Vince Lombardi
                and in the military where they have these high bar achievement where only a few will become green berets,army rangers, navy seals , fighter pilots , snipers .

                they look for the traits of the few who got through before and screen for those who will be the most likely to get through..then raise the bar more so only 3 percent ..get through.. in a system like green beret or elite soldier training .. designed to weed out 97 percent of those who enter the training ..

                power law distribution it more fruitful to look at what people who build million dollar net worths.and wealth they can live off of ..and then look at your own make up and aim and position yourself where you will perform in the top bracket ..

                "In addition, the levels of unemployment, underemployment, obesity, lifestyle-induced chronic disease, substance abuse and addiction, mental health, educational underachievement, etc are devastating to true personal potential."

                are they really devastating or are they the seeds and show a need for personal development ..and why are obesity , drug addiction, lifestyle induced chronic diseases .. far more widespread and effecting a larger percentage of the population..in the USA..than most poor countries in the world ..
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                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  "In addition, the levels of unemployment, underemployment, obesity, lifestyle-induced chronic disease, substance abuse and addiction, mental health, educational underachievement, etc are devastating to true personal potential."
                  Ahem!!! I spent decades unemployed or underemployed, I'm almost as fat as Claude, I suffer from congestive heart failure, gout, Agent Orange poisoning, rheumatoid arthritis, arthritic synovitis, low blood pressure, hypothyroidism, compromised kidney function, glaucoma, cataracts, carpal tunnel syndrome, sleep apnea, PTSD, mania, I'm on my 3rd pacemaker/defibrillator, I just had two stents put in for a 100% and an 80% coronary artery blockage, I only earned a GED educationally, have been a homeless drug addict and alcoholic - twice, have been incarcerated and institutionalized - - - - but I never let any of that stop me. Slowed me down occasionally, but in the grand scheme of life, nothing more than a mere bag of shells.

                  All of the above is true and and I'm sure I left out one or two medical ailments. This is why I can't tolerate people complaining or saying that they can't do something.

                  In my lexicon, 'can't' simply means won't try hard enough.

                  BTW - life is good. lol
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Ahem!!! I spent decades unemployed or underemployed, I'm almost as fat as Claude, I suffer from congestive heart failure, gout, Agent Orange poisoning, rheumatoid arthritis, arthritic synovitis, low blood pressure, hypothyroidism, compromised kidney function, glaucoma, cataracts, carpal tunnel syndrome, sleep apnea, PTSD, mania, I'm on my 3rd pacemaker/defibrillator, I just had two stents put in for a 100% and an 80% coronary artery blockage, I only earned a GED educationally, have been a homeless drug addict and alcoholic - twice, have been incarcerated and institutionalized - - - - but I never let any of that stop me. Slowed me down occasionally, but in the grand scheme of life, nothing more than a mere bag of shells.

                    All of the above is true and and I'm sure I left out one or two medical ailments. This is why I can't tolerate people complaining or saying that they can't do something.

                    In my lexicon, 'can't' simply means won't try hard enough.

                    BTW - life is good. lol
                    i cut out that quote from myob to criticize it ..you are misreading me .that is not my view

                    my view was or is .. if you are going to have a system where you measure only the top 1 percent or 2 or 5 or 10 percent .. and call the rest losers .. it really does not do any good... because of math ... you can only have 5 percent of the population in the top 5 percent .. so if you measured winning as people making 30,000 dollars a year you would have 50 percent of the working population as winners.. which would put them in the 1 percent of world earners ..
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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      you can only have 5 percent of the population in the top 5 percent
                      HUH??? How does that compute?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        HUH??? How does that compute?
                        if you had a population where everyone was make over 100,000 a year.. so say the size of that is 1,000,000 people call these people ..those who earn enough to rent an apartment in san francisco ..just as a metaphor ..

                        in that population you will have a top 5 percent of earners who earn say 500,000 a year or more ..or where ever the bar ends up where the top 50,000 earners out of those one million people are ..

                        if you are only going to measure 1,000,000 people only 50,000 of thos people can ever be in the to 5 percent .. unless you want to break math .but even among the richest ..you will have a 95 percent who are not in the top 5 percent..so they lose ..if you can only win if your in the top 5 percent
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                        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          if you had a population where everyone was make over 100,000 a year.. so say the size of that is 1,000,000 people call these people ..those who earn enough to rent an apartment in san francisco ..just as a metaphor ..

                          in that population you will have a top 5 percent of earners who earn say 500,000 a year or more ..or where ever the bar ends up where the top 50,000 earners out of those one million people are ..

                          if you are only going to measure 1,000,000 people only 50,000 of thos people can ever be in the to 5 percent .. unless you want to break math .but even among the richest ..you will have a 95 percent who are not in the top 5 percent..so they lose ..if you can only win if your in the top 5 percent
                          Honestly, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, but what won't compute now is my pea brain. I am simply unable to see what you are driving at - and how you got there.

                          If someone else can explain your point in a way I might be able to understand, I'd be most appreciative. It seems simple enough, but something just doesn't seem right. lol
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                          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            Honestly, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, but what won't compute now is my pea brain. I am simply unable to see what you are driving at - and how you got there.

                            If someone else can explain your point in a way I might be able to understand, I'd be most appreciative. It seems simple enough, but something just doesn't seem right. lol
                            well let me remove the percent word.. and lets say last weeks top ten country music countdown ..only ten song where played out of thousand or tens of thousand of songs that qualify as country music(haha)

                            or a ten best restaurant list only ten restaurants can be on the list ..if you have 600 restaurants to not all 600 can be on the top ten list ..only ten can be on the list .
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                    • Profile picture of the author myob
                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      i cut out that quote from myob to criticize it ..you are misreading me .that is not my view

                      my view was or is .. if you are going to have a system where you measure only the top 1 percent or 2 or 5 or 10 percent .. and call the rest losers .. it really does not do any good... because of math ... you can only have 5 percent of the population in the top 5 percent .. so if you measured winning as people making 30,000 dollars a year you would have 50 percent of the working population as winners.. which would put them in the 1 percent of world earners ..
                      Perhaps my figure of 3% may have been a bit too generous.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by myob View Post

                        Perhaps my figure of 3% may have been a bit too generous.
                        with such a small number of or percent of people who are winners in your figures ..it should make it easy to explain actual stats and figure on how to win ..

                        and if you have been doing mlms 25 years you probably have a check list for people who have real potential to make it ..in doing what you are doing ..and you are probably looking for that 1 in 33 who have potential payoff ..who have potential to be winners .
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                        • Profile picture of the author myob
                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          ... if you have been doing mlms 25 years you probably have a check list for people who have real potential to make it ..in doing what you are doing ..and you are probably looking for that 1 in 33 who have potential payoff ..who have potential to be winners .
                          There definitely are identifiable attributes I look for in potential recruits. However, sometimes I get it wrong and the apparent "winners" are losers, or vice-versa.

                          I generally look for ex-military, athletes in team sports, commission sales people, small business owners, business professionals, middle management, leaders in civic and government, college students, and the motivated underemployed.

                          There really is something deep inside the human psyche which comes to the surface only when challenged. Life events either polishes people up or grinds them down.

                          Although the law of averages seems to hold consistently at about 3%, there is no quantifiable "check list" for specifically identifying who will shine or who will crumble on an individual basis.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                            Originally Posted by myob View Post

                            There definitely are identifiable attributes I look for in potential recruits. However, sometimes I get it wrong and the apparent "winners" are losers, or vice-versa.

                            I generally look for ex-military, athletes in team sports, commission sales people, small business owners, business professionals, middle management, leaders in civic and government, college students, and the motivated underemployed.

                            There really is something deep inside the human psyche which comes to the surface only when challenged. Life events either polishes people up or grinds them down.

                            Although the law of averages seems to hold consistently at about 3%, there is no quantifiable "check list" for specifically identifying who will shine or who will crumble on an individual basis.
                            now another question..what is your definition of a winner ..looking at stats rich..is relative to where you live..and wealthy is that you have assets and investment that produce the income you live on ..
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    ...In my lexicon, 'can't' simply means won't try hard enough.
                    Sounds like you were in the Marines - the few ... the proud ...! Thank you for your service.

                    Improvise, Adapt and Overcome.

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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      Sounds like you were in the Marines - the few ... the proud ...! Thank you for your service.

                      Improvise, Adapt and Overcome.

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                      No. I tried but never would have made it though boot camp. I was 5'2" and 110 lbs when I volunteered for Vietnam at the age of 16.

                      Now my right leg is 110 lbs.

                      I appreciate the "thank you," but the pleasure was all mine. :-)

                      Cheers.
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                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        ...my right leg is 110 lbs.

                        Claude used that pick-up line in college.
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                          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                          Claude used that pick-up line in college.
                          I believe the figure he used was 110 millimeters, and even that was a 'stretch.'
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Ahem!!! I spent decades unemployed or underemployed, I'm almost as fat as Claude, I suffer from congestive heart failure, gout, Agent Orange poisoning, rheumatoid arthritis, arthritic synovitis, low blood pressure, hypothyroidism, compromised kidney function, glaucoma, cataracts, carpal tunnel syndrome, sleep apnea, PTSD, mania, I'm on my 3rd pacemaker/defibrillator, I just had two stents put in for a 100% and an 80% coronary artery blockage, I only earned a GED educationally, have been a homeless drug addict and alcoholic - twice, have been incarcerated and institutionalized - - - - but I never let any of that stop me. Slowed me down occasionally, but in the grand scheme of life, nothing more than a mere bag of shells.

                    All of the above is true and and I'm sure I left out one or two medical ailments. This is why I can't tolerate people complaining or saying that they can't do something.

                    In my lexicon, 'can't' simply means won't try hard enough.

                    BTW - life is good. lol
                    OMG, you mean you are nearly as fat as Claude?
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                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      OMG, you mean you are nearly as fat as Claude?
                      I forgot to mention the diabetes. lol
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                    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      OMG, you mean you are nearly as fat as Claude?
                      a month or two ago claude was making fun of the law of attraction on the mid warrior section trying to manifests a jelly doughnut ..no he has to retire ..because they are building the doughnut shop around his retail store
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                        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                        a month or two ago claude was making fun of the law of attraction on the mid warrior section trying to manifests a jelly doughnut ..no he has to retire ..because they are building the doughnut shop around his retail store

                        The city bulldozed his shop to make room for a liquor store.





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                        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                        a month or two ago claude was making fun of the law of attraction on the mid warrior section trying to manifests a jelly doughnut ..no he has to retire ..because they are building the doughnut shop around his retail store
                        It's a common misconception, you go into his store and there are so many plates of donuts scattered about that he has on hand to snack on, you think it's a cake shop.

                        Whatever he sells, it's all just a front for what goes on down in the basement. A false back in his utility cupboard gives way to steps leading down to a series of dungeon like rooms. This is where he films his adult movies.

                        Circumference of Doom and Wide Girth Productions are two companies that are notorious in the Adult Movie Industry. His movies are mainly Sexploitation and Graphic Horror. That's why all his donuts have had the jam removed as it is used as fake blood.

                        All true..
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Humans have undeveloped kneecaps at birth.

              I'm not making excuses.
              Babies don't make such excuses in their instinctive personal development. Making excuses is an acquired "skill".

              "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
              - W. C. Fields
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              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              now another question..what is your definition of a winner ..looking at stats rich..is relative to where you live..and wealthy is that you have assets and investment that produce the income you live on ..
              A winner is ... are you really ready for this? A winner is a state of mind. It is a disciplined attitude of definiteness in purpose driven by a clear vision. Often being a winner is mistakenly associated only with financial wealth. But very much like an iceberg, visible success is merely the exposed and outward manifestation of what lies deep beneath the surface.

              A perfect example of the more common mindset can be seen at local liquor stores where lottery tickets are being sold. Ask anyone there what they will do if they win the millions. What do you think they will all say? And if someone does win, how long do you think they will have it?

              That, my friend, is the real difference between winners and losers.

              The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
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                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                A winner is ... are you really ready for this? A winner is a state of mind. It is a disciplined attitude of definiteness in purpose driven by a clear vision. Often being a winner is mistakenly associated only with financial wealth. But very much like an iceberg, visible success is merely the exposed and outward manifestation of what lies deep beneath the surface.

                A perfect example of the more common mindset can be seen at local liquor stores where lottery tickets are being sold. Ask anyone there what they will do if they win the millions. What do you think they will all say? And if someone does win, how long do you think they will have it?

                That, my friend, is the real difference between winners and losers.

                The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
                - Vince Lombardi
                i agree with that ..

                the second mindset the poverty mindset ..beyond the lotter dream.. believes they need money or most of their problems are because they have no money or very little ..so if i just had more money..i would eat better join a gym and work out every day, or they work for the weekend or the vacation or the staycation..

                now if they put what they spent on lottery tickets every week (i knew people who use to drop 50-100 a week ) in an index fund ..and not even give up the beer and cigarettes ..in 30 years they wouldn't need a social security check to retire ..lottery tickets are n unofficial tax on poor people

                the way most people build wealth and live ..is much different than the popular view of how wealthy people live ..and i am convinced there are more wealthy people than the numbers suggest ..or winners ..they just don't play the upscale consumer game ..or they know how to write off much of their business income and look penniless
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              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              Even through the dismal statistics I presented, I am convinced there actually are more winners than the numbers may suggest.. they just may not yet know who they are themselves.

              I have indeed seen some astonishing success arise through seemingly insurmountable odds. Winners don't always have a lot of money, and losers sometimes do have a lot of money.

              But for the most part, extreme wealth and poverty are both indicators of polar opposite states of mind. The challenges that money makes merely magnifies and manifests this mindset.

              A broke winner and a rich loser are temporary conditions for both.
              Yes, exactly, someone who looks broke and hopeless, but keeps trying will eventually find something that works, or find something that most in jobs couldn't even comprehend.

              And someone in a safe job, is basically stuffed if he is fired tomorrow.

              Pretty hard to find a job or work hard in your 60's than it is too make more money online, when you already know how to.


              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              a month or two ago claude was making fun of the law of attraction on the mid warrior section trying to manifests a jelly doughnut ..no he has to retire ..because they are building the doughnut shop around his retail store
              Claude can manifest a doughnut whenever he wants, but it ain't pretty!

              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              It's a common misconception, you go into his store and there are so many plates of donuts scattered about that he has on hand to snack on, you think it's a cake shop.

              Whatever he sells, it's all just a front for what goes on down in the basement. A false back in his utility cupboard gives way to steps leading down to a series of dungeon like rooms. This is where he films his adult movies.

              Circumference of Doom and Wide Girth Productions are two companies that are notorious in the Adult Movie Industry. His movies are mainly Sexploitation and Graphic Horror. That's why all his donuts have had the jam removed as it is used as fake blood.

              All true..
              Yes, and whenever he opens the trapdoor, the lights in his store flicker, his two cats hiss and meow, the neighboring dogs begin to howl, pedestrians grab their children and run in stark terror and the sky becomes as dark as sackcloth.

              So nothing out of the ordinary.

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          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            People are born to win. Watch a baby learning to walk.
            People are born to walk. It's genetically coded. No one is is born to win. Winning is an acquired skill.
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            • Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              People are born to walk. It's genetically coded. No one is is born to win. Winning is an acquired skill.

              What is winning?

              We are born to survive and reproduce. Humans can survive far worse than they think.. is survival winning?

              Some people have led lives free of hurting anyone else. Is that winning?

              If you have had a happy marriage for 40 years, have you won?

              A good job, a loving family.....is that winning?

              Making a fortune, being famous, is that winning?

              Beating an addiction, regaining self respect, is that winning?

              I'm serious. When I hear people talking about winning and losing in life, it's such a cloudy subject to me.

              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              It is indeed a national tragedy, afflicting 97% of the population. Most of these broken down people really do have a potential they will never know. We teach that being broke is just a temporary condition, but being chronically poor and dependent is an attitude.

              "You were born to win, but to be a winner, you must plan to win, prepare to win, and expect to win."
              - Zig Ziglar
              I read this post and had to think about it for awhile.

              Do you really think it's 97%

              I agree, maybe 3% are capable of starting with nothing and building a great life...while amassing anything like real wealth..

              But I was talking (when I said these people drain the life out of me) about a very small part of society. People who, as a way of life, take far more than they give...the people who lie, and don't feel bad about it, who cheat people who loan them money (and cheat institutions as well), people who have absolutely no awareness of personal responsibility for their own lives.

              In my experience, those people may make up 5-10% of the population....parasites...

              But the average person achieves enough to survive with a little extra....has kids that are average and aren't criminals, and these people have a moral compass. Sure, they are followers, but followers are needed. A sports team can't exist without fans, an economy cannot exist without consumers, and you can't build a huge company without employees. To me, these people aren't losers, just acclimated to their comfort level.

              I just love listening to myself pontificate.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                What is winning?
                Something you will never experience. :-)
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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                What is winning?

                Humans can survive far worse than they think.. is survival winning?.
                The only thing required to win as a human animal is to pass on your genes. Nothing else.
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                  Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                  The only thing required to win as a human animal is to pass on your genes. Nothing else.
                  Sadly I think your hand me down clothing may be a little big for me.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                What is winning?


                In my experience, those people may make up 5-10% of the population....parasites...

                But the average person achieves enough to survive with a little extra....has kids that are average and aren't criminals, and these people have a moral compass. Sure, they are followers, but followers are needed. A sports team can't exist without fans, an economy cannot exist without consumers, and you can't build a huge company without employees. To me, these people aren't losers, just acclimated to their comfort level.

                I just love listening to myself pontificate.
                on the other side there are only about 5-10 percent of the population that will work hard enough for long enough and save and invest enough money to build million dollar plus net worths ..but about half of these people are still building or pick the wrong partner who makes it hard to save enough ..

                so you get most people who do enough to live comfortable or have enough and then a chunk near the bottom who are either first generation immigrants or low value skills..or there generational reed to be on welfare or other government assistance ..but even poor people here have much better comfort levels than 6.5 billion people on the planet ..but poor people stay poor because it is expensive to be poor ..
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                I don't know if it's relevant to the discussion ...

                However something I learned from Eben Pagan is "Consultative Selling." Which is basically intervening a Person to see if their a match for what your selling ... (and if not then recommending something else.)

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                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  I don't know if it's relevant to the discussion ...
                  It's not. :-)
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    It's not. :-)
                    (LOL) Awe .. Man hug time.
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                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      (LOL) Awe .. Man hug time.
                      : P
                      What makes you think it's a man?
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                        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                        What makes you think it's a man?
                        What do you mean?
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              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              People are born to walk. It's genetically coded. No one is is born to win. Winning is an acquired skill.
              On the contrary. Failure is an acquired attitude, defended by excuses. Beginning even before birth - at the sperm level - there is an innate and powerful genetically coded instinct to win.

              The sperm which gets into the egg first is the winner. What drives the sperm to win? And what then drives a baby to try try try again and again and again to walk?

              This fire of winning ambition that burns within all of us at birth too often is quenched by poor choices, habits of lifestyle, and acquired attitudes (ie excusitis).

              "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. And when we bring what is within us out into the world, miracles happen."
              - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                On the contrary. Failure is an acquired attitude, defended by excuses.
                That's not contrary to what I stated. That's a whole different thing that has nothing to do with winning being an acquired skill.

                The sperm which gets into the egg first is the winner.
                Well. it's not like the sperm knows that it's in a race. Are they tripping other sperm in their race to the egg? Let's be realistic, shall we?

                Focus!
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          • Originally Posted by myob View Post

            People are born to win. Watch a baby learning to walk. They fall down and get right back up countless times until they begin taking their first steps. But for most people something happens deep inside shortly thereafter. They begin to habitually choose not to get up when they fall down in life. As we've seen right here in this thread, people almost always will make comforting excuses and blame "forces" outside of their control to stay down and out.
            I think babies get up when they fall down because they are expected to learn to walk. No parent says "That's OK, you gave it a shot, just crawl, and I'll love you just the way you are"..

            And I think pretty much everyone still gets up after they fall down..through their entire life. What they don't do is climb a ladder. Because climbing a ladder isn't expected of them. They can survive without climbing a ladder.

            It's against most human nature to do more than is necessary to remain comfortable.

            Have you ever wondered why some people eat at cheap restaurants and others eat at better restaurants? Is it really the money? Usually the difference in price is not the main issue, it's the self image they have...who are they comfortable being around? Who do they identify with?

            What herd do they belong to? What social level makes them comfortable? What income feels right to them?

            People do what they expect of themselves and what keeps them at the level they are comfortable with.

            The stories are true about lottery winners that lose all their millions in a very short time. Why? Because they are now way out of their comfort zone. Having all that money is uncomfortable for them. It just isn't who they are. And so they make hairbrained investments that are worthless in a few years,

            Our brains are like rubber bands, they can stretch, but they always want to snap back to "normal".

            yup, I just can't shut up today.
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      First world problems.]
      My BMW dealer always puts my seat back, precisely they way they found it. :-)
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