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The one and only Mr. Rush Limbaugh as been removed from a group that is trying to purchase the NFL's St. Louis Rams.


After a letter from the Player's Association and multiple other public rumblings regarding Mr. Limbaugh's past statements etc. ...

...the purchase group was informed that Mr. Limbaugh's association with the group would make it difficult for the group to pass mustard with the NFL owners...

.. of whom 75% must vote in favor of the prospective ownership group for inclusion into the lucrative NFL.


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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

    After a letter from the Player's Association and multiple other public rumblings regarding Mr. Limbaugh's past statements etc. ...
    Statements which cannot be confirmed or verified that he actually said. One quote was sourced back to a Wikipedia entry that was debunked as being false.

    Meanwhile, other NFL owners manage to get away with saying (or singing) things that seem even more offensive than some of the things Rush Limbaugh purportedly said. Just take a look at the lyrics to this song, written by a co-owner of the Miami Dolphins.

    Limbaugh gets the boot for things he never said, while someone that went to jail for animal abuse gets back in. Nice that the NFL has standards.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      Statements which cannot be confirmed or verified that he actually said. One quote was sourced back to a Wikipedia entry that was debunked as being false.

      Meanwhile, other NFL owners manage to get away with saying (or singing) things that seem even more offensive than some of the things Rush Limbaugh purportedly said. Just take a look at the lyrics to this song, written by a co-owner of the Miami Dolphins.

      Limbaugh gets the boot for things he never said, while someone that went to jail for animal abuse gets back in. Nice that the NFL has standards.


      Are the offensive lyrics in the song or the Michael Vick situation racial related?

      I listened to the song but found only curse words etc. and I think the N word was uttered
      by Ja Rule and J-Lo.


      I think J-Lo did get some flack over it also.


      I think the pattern and body of work of Mr. Limbaugh is what did him in.

      The rushing game was shut down by a stop the rush defense.

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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        It was good to see Rush get sacked. Cheers to the NFL.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Meanwhile, other NFL owners manage to get away with saying (or singing) things that seem even more offensive than some of the things Rush Limbaugh purportedly said. Just take a look at the lyrics to this song, written by a co-owner of the Miami Dolphins.
          So what? Two people doing something ignorant doesn't make it less ignorant.

          So he doesn't get what he wants - big deal. Does anyone care if Rush doesn't get his way? Nope.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            So what? Two people doing something ignorant doesn't make it less ignorant.

            So he doesn't get what he wants - big deal. Does anyone care if Rush doesn't get his way? Nope.

            I'm sure Rush cared...
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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              I'm sure Rush cared...
              and I'm sure his loyal followers ( reportedly 20 million per week ) do.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    From the little I have followed this story, I heard it had to do with comments he made about Donovan McNabb on one of those NFL shows he used to do back in 2003.

    If that IS the main reason, then I do question the standards of the NFL owners considering Vick.

    I know people say Vick paid his debt - and I am not arguing that point. But Rush was also "let go" from that show after those comments. Isn't that paying his debt?

    At the end of the day, they own the teams, they get to vote.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      From the little I have followed this story, I heard it had to do with comments he made about Donovan McNabb on one of those NFL shows he used to do back in 2003.

      If that IS the main reason, then I do question the standards of the NFL owners considering Vick.

      I know people say Vick paid his debt - and I am not arguing that point. But Rush was also "let go" from that show after those comments. Isn't that paying his debt?

      At the end of the day, they own the teams, they get to vote.
      I doubt if the Mcnabb comments alone are what did him in.

      Item...

      The Rusher said...

      an NFL game looks like a fight between the crips and bloods without the guns.

      ( I heard him trying to explain this one )

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      Barack The Magic Negro:

      He loved the song ( played it on his show ) and is always calling the pres ugly stuff like Hitler and stuff like that.

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      The This Is Obama's America Affair...

      When there was a fight between middle school boys?, one white, one black and the black guy was winning with the crowd going wild...

      Mr. Limbaugh began talking about...

      This is Obama's America, as in this is what's it's going to be like from now on etc.

      ( even though the school system said it was not a racial fight )

      That's just off the top of my head.

      The man is perceived by too many people as a racial trouble maker and that's something the NFL doesn't want to be associated with.

      He even takes credit for spawning Glenn Beck the ultimate racial trouble maker.

      The pass rush was stymied by the NFL's pass protection scheme.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Are the offensive lyrics in the song or the Michael Vick situation racial related?

        I listened to the song but found only curse words etc. and I think the N word was uttered
        by Ja Rule and J-Lo.
        Okay, so the N-word is not racial. Gotcha. :rolleyes:


        I think J-Lo did get some flack over it also.
        But, she's still a part owner of the Miami Dolphins, no?


        The Rusher said...

        an NFL game looks like a fight between the crips and bloods without the guns.

        ( I heard him trying to explain this one )
        So, he compared football teams to gangs? Let's see... what do gangs do? They do stuff like commit crimes, commit assaults, illegally use firearms, deal drugs, etc.--all things no NFL player has done, no?

        NFL Crimes NewsBlog

        Just look at the Minnesota Vikings or the Cincinnati Bengals. Their quantity of arrested players in recent years has been embarrassing. The near 400 NFL player arrests since 2000 is certainly cause for reflection.

        These guys get paid boatloads of money, and they commit crimes and still often get second or third chances.

        And the NFL is worried Rush Limbaugh may tarnish their image!?!?!?

        The NFL has no moral high ground here. If they want Limbaugh out, that's their prerogative. But, let them be honest about it: It's political. Period.

        If it was about image or being non-divisive or whatnot, they'd have to be taking a stronger stand against criminal behavior by players. They'd also need to apply the "standards" they purportedly apply to Rush Limbaugh on others as well.

        You have Fergie of the Black-Eyed Peas who is also a part owner of an NFL team who has lyrics like this: "But we still got terrorists here livin' in the USA, the big CIA ..." Or how about this gem from Jennifer Lopez? "There are certain people that are marked for death. I have my little list of those that treated me unfairly." Wow. They seem so sweet. :rolleyes:

        The man is perceived by too many people as a racial trouble maker and that's something the NFL doesn't want to be associated with.
        Which people would those be? Maybe people like former President Jimmy Carter, Nancy Pelosi and others that think that any criticism of Obama is racially motivated? Obviously it can't be that there are people actually opposed to his agenda on principle. It must be racism, no?

        He even takes credit for spawning Glenn Beck the ultimate racial trouble maker.
        Has the definition of racism changed in the past, oh, nine months?

        * * *

        At any rate, here's what's really disturbing...

        There are players in the NFL that have committed crimes. Serious crimes. Michael Vick, for example, even went to jail. Yet, the NFL welcomes them back. And, this has happened in other sports as well. Baseball has had its fair share too.

        I mean, these people blow it. Big time. And they get right back in, often back to making millions of dollars.

        What lesson does that send to kids? Why act like a civilized person? Apparently, as long as you are skilled in something, it's okay to run wild and do whatever the heck you want. Break a few laws. Who cares as long as you can score a touchdown?

        And it gets worse than that. Look at the people that defend Roman Polanski. He drugged and raped a 13 year old girl. Yet, some people defend him because he made a couple good movies since then.

        What's the lesson people are supposed to take away from this? That it's okay to rape little girls, beat your wife, deal drugs, torture animals, drive drunk and break any laws you want just as long as you don't--gasp!--say something that might offend someone?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Thanks.

    I don't listen to Rush. Really can't stomach him. Can't really stomach ANY of these "political commentators" on either side for too long.

    Most are just WAY over the top.

    Although they do have some entertainment value
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  • Profile picture of the author Trader54
    I would love to see the hysteria this would create had this been the other way.

    Say if if Al Sharpton wanted to buy into a team and he was turned down for
    all the comments he has made.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If I had a vote I'd turn down Sharpton, too - one big mouth with little substance is the same as another.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Trader54 View Post

      I would love to see the hysteria this would create had this been the other way.

      Say if if Al Sharpton wanted to buy into a team and he was turned down for
      all the comments he has made.

      Not quite the same animal. ( I knew someone would bring him up as an equivalent )

      Sure Sharpton always tries to jump in the middle of a racial situation and he also has a radio show.

      But the kaleidoscope of highly charged incendiary remarks can't be traced to Sharpton as they can be to the rusher.

      Yes, he had that incident about 20 years ago etc., but rush has an extra special track record that has backfired on him - this time.


      In Super Bowl 2 the Raiders had only 5 first downs rushing vs. the Packers.


      TL


      Ps. Perhaps Rush can get a Canadian team.
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      • Profile picture of the author Trader54
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post


        Ps. Perhaps Rush can get a Canadian team.
        I bet they would welcome his money in a second.

        The left isn't that strong in this country at the moment.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Trader54 View Post

          I bet they would welcome his money in a second.

          The left isn't that strong in this country at the moment.
          He LOVES football! And if you removed blacks from football now (WARNING! WARNING! TRUE but might be considered racist statement coming!) there would be NO football!
          Sorry if that offended anyone! SO, if Rush even heavily OFFENDED the blacks, he would have NOTHING! OOOPS, SORRY, I said another racist thing. 8-( and Rush KNOWS IT!

          In fact, as I recall, his WIFE loves sports, including football!

          If he loves the game, and is willing to support it, why should his political statements matter? IN FACT, he believes they should get all the can, and NOT be taxed to death! THEY should LOVE that! MAYBE if they REALLY knew him, they would LOVE HIM!

          BTW I have no axe to grind. I am not into football, and rush is just a LITTLE too corporate minded for my tastes. But the football players are probably MORE likely to like that!

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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

    The one and only Mr. Rush Limbaugh
    Who?

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    :p
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

    The one and only Mr. Rush Limbaugh as been removed from a group that is trying to purchase the NFL's St. Louis Rams.


    After a letter from the Player's Association and multiple other public rumblings regarding Mr. Limbaugh's past statements etc. ...

    ...the purchase group was informed that Mr. Limbaugh's association with the group would make it difficult for the group to pass mustard with the NFL owners...

    .. of whom 75% must vote in favor of the prospective ownership group for inclusion into the lucrative NFL.


    Live by the blitz, die by the blitz.

    TL
    Actually, he is NOT racist! My FAVORITE anecdote is how he was called a RACIST because he supported SNAPPLE! WHY? TWO reasons!

    1. It had a picture of a SLAVE ship on the front! ONE PROBLEM! It was a CLIPPER SHIP, and had NOTHING to do with slaves!

    2. It was OBVIOUSLY associated with the KKK, because they had a K in a circle! ****TWO**** problems! ONE, the K in the circle ACTUALLY meant KOSHER! So jewish people knew it was OK to drink! TWO, the companny was OWNED by jewish people!

    Just a SAMPLE of what he has had to put up with. MAN, he speaks the TRUTH, or treats them like ANYBODY else, and he is called a RACIST!!!!!! If you want a racist free world where everyone walks on EGGSHELLS, ********FORGET IT*********! It CAN'T happen! That is effectively the DEFINITION of racism! A world free from racism would be like that HALF famous statement by Martin luther king.... "...where people are judged NOT by the color of their skin, ****BUT**** BY THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER!

    BTW he was ASKED to join, they said they would support him! He said that he would NOT back out and that, if they wanted him gone, they would have to throw him out. That ALSO has a SIDE EFFECT!!!! They are now in BREACH, and he doesn't have to honor the NDA. He is making veiled threats that some in the media won't like it. And the media is liable for LIBEL, and SLANDER!

    One more thing. It turns out George Soros was a member, so GOOD RIDDANCE, to that group!!!!

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Actually, he is NOT racist! My FAVORITE anecdote is how he was called a RACIST because he supported SNAPPLE! WHY? TWO reasons!

      1. It had a picture of a SLAVE ship on the front! ONE PROBLEM! It was a CLIPPER SHIP, and had NOTHING to do with slaves!

      2. It was OBVIOUSLY associated with the KKK, because they had a K in a circle! ****TWO**** problems! ONE, the K in the circle ACTUALLY meant KOSHER! So jewish people knew it was OK to drink! TWO, the companny was OWNED by jewish people!

      Just a SAMPLE of what he has had to put up with. MAN, he speaks the TRUTH, or treats them like ANYBODY else, and he is called a RACIST!!!!!! If you want a racist free world where everyone walks on EGGSHELLS, ********FORGET IT*********! It CAN'T happen! That is effectively the DEFINITION of racism! A world free from racism would be like that HALF famous statement by Martin luther king.... "...where people are judged NOT by the color of their skin, ****BUT**** BY THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER!

      BTW he was ASKED to join, they said they would support him! He said that he would NOT back out and that, if they wanted him gone, they would have to throw him out. That ALSO has a SIDE EFFECT!!!! They are now in BREACH, and he doesn't have to honor the NDA. He is making veiled threats that some in the media won't like it. And the media is liable for LIBEL, and SLANDER!

      One more thing. It turns out George Soros was a member, so GOOD RIDDANCE, to that group!!!!

      Steve
      Walking on egg shells is one thing but the Rusher is another.

      He's in a league of his own.

      He's a racial grenade thrower and it has come back to haunt him.

      He's got enough real troublesome quotes to keep him in plenty of hot water with folks that don't want any racial trouble. ( see sampling above )

      Say what you will, but I'm not going to go round and round with you on this one.


      Rush tried to throw the bomb, but it blew up in his face.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Walking on egg shells is one thing but the Rusher is another.

        He's in a league of his own.

        He's a racial grenade thrower and it has come back to haunt him.

        He's got enough real troublesome quotes to keep him in plenty of hot water with folks that don't want any racial trouble. ( see sampling above )

        Say what you will, but I'm not going to go round and round with you on this one.


        Rush tried to throw the bomb, but it blew up in his face.

        TL
        Most of those "quotes" are not things he said. There are like 3 things he said that people pointed to that he DID say. ONE was an OPINION and certainly NOT racist. One was a slight that waas due to violence at the time. I forget the other, but it wasn't much worse.

        The comments that some jerk put in a book that were CONSTANTLY repeated were NOPLACE to be found. Hey, a lot of people DO listen to him, and many wouldn't keep silent about such a thing. ALSO, this stuff is archived, etc....

        Imus made a comment about a team that definitely wasn't right, and he was FIRED!(He poped up elsewhere. HEY, he has said tthe same thing about whites, etc... ONCE, when he insulted Obama, he insulted george Bush ALSO!) Jay Sevrin(sp?) called undocumented aliens criminaliens, and HE was fired(GRANTED he got his job back, but they said he was fired). And HEY, they ARE the definition of criminals, and ARE aliens! He just shortened it. Do you think RUSH is any better protected?

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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Rush acknowledged saying:

          "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back." This was said to a black caller.

          "Have you ever noticed how all the composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jessie Jackson?" Uhhm. Bad joke to say the least.

          These statements are on tape:

          "Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the bloods and crips without any weapons. There. I said it." Comparing NFL players to gangs?!!! Why say this? Think about why this is considered a racist comment no matter what spin Rush puts on it now.

          "It's Obama's America, is it not? Obama's America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now. I mean, you put your kids on a school bus, you expect -- you expect safety. But in Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering, 'Yay, right on, right on, right on, right on.'" This was over an incident that the local police said had nothing to do with race. Rush is just stoking the fire.

          "Obama's entire economic program is reparations." This is such BS and also unnecessarily racial. The truth is the far left is not real excited about the direction Obama's is going so far. This is a perfect example of how Rush takes a real issue and turns it into racial polarizing cr#P and stokes the fire some more.

          He said Obama is "more African in his roots than he is American" and is "behaving like an African colonial despot." Are you starting to see a trend here?

          "Obama has disowned his white half, that he's decided he's got to go all in on the black side." Rush has a way with words.

          On his May 29 show, Limbaugh compared Sotomayor's nomination to nominating David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan member, and said the way to "get promoted in the Barack Obama administration" is "by hating white people." What a prick!

          " Here you have a black president trying to destroy a white policeman" Why mention race? Well, it helps with ratings.

          On April 14, Limbaugh suggested the "correct" way to look at a situation in which Obama sent the military to retrieve American hostages from Somali pirates was that "if only President Obama had known that the three Somali community organizers were actually young, black Muslim teenagers, I'm sure he wouldn't have given the order to shoot." Again, stoking the fire as usual.

          On February 1, 2007, Limbaugh responded to a Reuters report about a University of Chicago study that found that "a majority of young blacks feel alienated from today's government" by asserting, "Why would that be? The government's been taking care of them their whole lives." Nice. Tie a majority of young blacks to welfare. By the way, I would bet a majority of young whites would say the same thing, only it would have gotten a different response from old Rush. I hope some are beginning to see why the NFL players and others don't appreciate Rush.

          Limbaugh said on his May 18 show that all Democrats "had to do was nominate an African-American and [they've] got Colin Powell." Perhaps the most extremely disgusting remark from Rush.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            "Obama's entire economic program is reparations." This is such BS and also unnecessarily racial. The truth is the far left is not real excited about the direction Obama's is going so far. This is a perfect example of how Rush takes a real issue and turns it into racial polarizing cr#P and stokes the fire some more.
            You like the idea of PATTERNS, but you don't see THAT one?

            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            On February 1, 2007, Limbaugh responded to a Reuters report about a University of Chicago study that found that "a majority of young blacks feel alienated from today's government" by asserting, "Why would that be? The government's been taking care of them their whole lives." Nice. Tie a majority of young blacks to welfare. By the way, I would bet a majority of young whites would say the same thing, only it would have gotten a different response from old Rush. I hope some are beginning to see why the NFL players and others don't appreciate Rush.
            You know....YOU are the FIRST in this thread to mention WELFARE! WELFARE, as in paying the poor, and people on their behalf, simply to support them is a DROP I THE BUCKET as to what he may well have meant. And it even helps a lot of RICH blacks! In fact, MOST people helped are NOT poor! They are middle class or ABOVE!

            BTW if WHITES say that they are alienated by the government, they are sneered at or IGNORED by the media, etc...! Rush probably wouldn't mention them because it often doesn't even make it to the news. BESIDES, many Whites probably often keep their mouths shut. Some blacks that commit crimes are AUTOMATICALLY considered to feel alienated by the government. If a white commits a crime, he or she is often merely a criminal.

            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Limbaugh said on his May 18 show that all Democrats "had to do was nominate an African-American and [they've] got Colin Powell." Perhaps the most extremely disgusting remark from Rush.

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            It WAS interesting that they DID get him. I was heartened only a few months ago by hearing a RIDICULOUS rumor from a supposed friend of his. Soon after that, it was shown to be TRUE! Powell now REGRETS his endorsement.

            I don't know the context there. I thought that Colin Powell was a nice guy that would either vote for the guy he felt was BEST or keep his mouth shut at least. I figured he would be for the country and right FIRST. If all things were roughly equal, or the black person were better, THEN vote for the black. HEY, given that circumstance, a lot of WHITES might vote for the black, if they were equal also.

            I can tell you I don't care what party, sex, or color the person is. I have only voted republican a bit more than 50% of the time. and probably 50% of the time a woman was running, I voted for the woman. I HAVE voted for some blacks, EVEN for president.

            MAYBE a caller called in suggesting a belief similar to mine, and Rush simply tried to set him straight. The context CAN change the meaning a lot.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW MOST people that believe that garbage are RACIST and/or have NEVER heard him! MOST don't even want to CONSIDER hearing him!

    HEY, I have listened to Bill Press a LOT! If *I* can listen to such a FLAMING liberal, why can't liberals listen to someone like rush?

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  • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
    Have you even listened to Rush or are you just going on what the left-wing media is telling you about him? I have been a listener for 15 years and have never heard him utter a racial slur in all these years.
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  • Profile picture of the author mbenton
    Does anyone else here have a problem with what's happening in America? Rush Limbaugh, a longtime NFL supporter wants to be a partner and have a stake in a pro football team.

    Fine! This is a free capitalist country, why shouldn't he?

    But because some don't like what he has said in the past, they take aim at the man when he wants to make an investment?

    What the hell is wrong with you?
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      It's funny how some will have no problem calling Obama a racist for ridiculous reasons but defend someone with such an obvious history of making racially charged statements like Rush. Heck, I was even called a racist for using the term "angry white people" which Republican Sen Lindsey Graham just used himself a couple days ago.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        It's funny how some will have no problem calling Obama a racist for ridiculous reasons but defend someone with such an obvious history of making racially charged statements like Rush. Heck, I was even called a racist for using the term "angry white people" which Republican Sen Lindsey Graham just used himself a couple days ago.

        Just goes to show that MAYBE that term is slung around "willy nilly", no?

        Don't like a comment? Call it racial...one size fits all.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        It's funny how some will have no problem calling Obama a racist for ridiculous reasons but defend someone with such an obvious history of making racially charged statements like Rush. Heck, I was even called a racist for using the term "angry white people" which Republican Sen Lindsey Graham just used himself a couple days ago.
        Not sure what "ridiculous reasons" you're referring to, but yes, the race card is played on both sides. But let's not fool ourselves here, the race card is used much more often, and used much more efficiently as a weapon on one side.

        Look at what happened to Rush. Show me the EVIDENCE that he said what the media are claiming. In fact, the media (CNN and MSNBC) even apologized today for not having any evidence. Of course, this is AFTER he was dumped from the bid.

        Here, read it yourself:

        CNN, MSNBC admit they were wrong about Rush quote - The Back Story - Washington Times

        As for the Wikipedia info about Rush, well it appears that a liberal law office may have been behind it.

        Here, read for yourself:

        American Thinker Blog: The Search for the Wikipedia Libelist (important update)

        Tim, I'm not sure why you were called a racist. I certainly don't think you are. The fact is, some will label me a racist for this post, and I'm certainly not a racist. The accusation is just something you have to accept nowadays if you intend to speak your mind...

        Let's not forget those wonderful folks that question the current administration's programs and initiatives (something all Americans should do to ALL administrations) and are called a racist by an ex president (Carter).
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  • Profile picture of the author bigcat1967
    Let me ask you guys this. If Al Sharpton was part of the group that wanted to buy the Rams - would the NFL boot him out? I don't think so. Double standard here kids.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    There are either some closet Rush Limbaugh listeners in here, or media Koolaid drinkers. You have to fess up to one or the other if you know rush enough to call him a racist. Which is it?
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I just find it a bit scary that the left will go as far as to try and censor a person's views like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    80% of those quotes, are just him quoting facts, and were taken out of their entire context. I see nothing overtly racial there. Again, if you listen to Rush and hear his quotes in context, then you'll know that he's not a racist. Would a racist have a black man as the highest paid member of his staff? Would he openly ask the advice and opinion of a black man on a daily basis if he was a racist?

    Again the only way to form an opinion on Rush is to be a listener, or a media koolaid drinker. Do you listen, or drink the koolaid?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      GaryV is right. When you read most of those quotes in context, they are not indicative of any type of underlying racism.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Ditto head dude,

      I've listened to Rush since he was broadcasting out of Sacramento. He hasn't changed.

      BTW, thanks for calling me a racist and race baiter the other day. Funny you don't see anything racial about Rush's obviously racist comments. LOL.

      Cheers
      Tim

      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      80% of those quotes, are just him quoting facts, and were taken out of their entire context. I see nothing overtly racial there. Again, if you listen to Rush and hear his quotes in context, then you'll know that he's not a racist. Would a racist have a black man as the highest paid member of his staff? Would he openly ask the advice and opinion of a black man on a daily basis if he was a racist?

      Again the only way to form an opinion on Rush is to be a listener, or a media koolaid drinker. Do you listen, or drink the koolaid?
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Ditto head dude,

        I've listened to Rush since he was broadcasting out of Sacramento. He hasn't changed.

        BTW, thanks for calling me a racist and race baiter the other day. Funny you don't see anything racial about Rush's obviously racist comments. LOL.

        Cheers
        Tim
        I never called you a racist - in fact if you had read what I said, I said that there's a difference between making a racist remark and actual racism.

        However, I stick by the race baiting remark. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that agrees w/ this assessment. You only have to read a few of your posts to see that.

        And by the way, if you do listen to him then you'll know that he's not a racist. You do know that his side kick - Bo Snerdely is black right? Don't know why you'd hire a black side kick if you're a racist.

        PS - You think that the guy's a racist, and yet you've continued to listen to him for decades? To me that says more about you. - Don't tell me, he was just your spiritual advisor and these remarks only recently came to your attention right? lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Tim -

          Why is it so often you seem to be just an argument waiting to happen?

          No one here knows Mr ditto - but anyone who has listened to him knows he says whatever he can to get attention. He baits everything if it gives him something to talk about..and then often claims he was mis-interpreted. That's what he does.

          The simple fact is you can position yourself into a corner where some options may be closed to you. So some super rich TV personality can't buy a football team - well, gee, isn't that just sad? No, even in the small scheme of things, it's not important.

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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Tim -

            Why is it so often you seem to be just an argument waiting to happen?

            No one here knows Mr ditto - but anyone who has listened to him knows he says whatever he can to get attention. He baits everything if it gives him something to talk about..and then often claims he was mis-interpreted. That's what he does.

            The simple fact is you can position yourself into a corner where some options may be closed to you. So some super rich TV personality can't buy a football team - well, gee, isn't that just sad? No, even in the small scheme of things, it's not important.

            kay

            Kay, this is what those on the far left in the main stream media do. Tim is just following the play book.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              Umm, I'm not on the far left, am not part of the MSM and am not following any playbook. I just am giving my point of view about this subject.

              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              Kay, this is what those on the far left in the main stream media do. Tim is just following the play book.
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Umm, I'm not on the far left, am not part of the MSM and am not following any playbook. I just am giving my point of view about this subject.
                Tim, if you were anymore left you'd be in the White House.


                Sorry.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      80% of those quotes, are just him quoting facts, and were taken out of their entire context. I see nothing overtly racial there. Again, if you listen to Rush and hear his quotes in context, then you'll know that he's not a racist. Would a racist have a black man as the highest paid member of his staff? Would he openly ask the advice and opinion of a black man on a daily basis if he was a racist?

      Again the only way to form an opinion on Rush is to be a listener, or a media koolaid drinker. Do you listen, or drink the koolaid?
      Neither, at least in the context you are implying. I watch the NFL, as it's my favorite thing to do. During his short stint as an NFL "analyist", I saw Rush say the inciteful things about Donavan McNabb that got Rush fired. Right or wrong, the NFL doesn't need an owner that incites 70% of the workforce.

      And right or wrong, Michael Vick or J Lo don't incite the NFL players.

      Not to mention, throw out the racism debate and judge people on their merits to own an NFL team. Stan Kroenke is the most qualified owner. He's got more money, won't cause any problems, and already owns other big time sports franchises. The NFL will bend their rules of not allowing an owner to have teams in other sports, and he'll be the next owner.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Neither, at least in the context you are implying. I watch the NFL, as it's my favorite thing to do. During his short stint as an NFL "analyist", I saw Rush say the inciteful things about Donavan McNabb that got Rush fired. Right or wrong, the NFL doesn't need an owner that incites 70% of the workforce.

        And right or wrong, Michael Vick or J Lo don't incite the NFL players.

        Not to mention, throw out the racism debate and judge people on their merits to own an NFL team. Stan Kroenke is the most qualified owner. He's got more money, won't cause any problems, and already owns other big time sports franchises. The NFL will bend their rules of not allowing an owner to have teams in other sports, and he'll be the next owner.

        At the end of the day, this IS what it comes down to - his qualifications. It's no different than trying to buy any franchise - try to buy a McDonald's without meeting their requirements...won't happen.

        The NFL has to look out for the NFL. If they feel Rush (or anyone else) is a detriment to the league, oh well. That IS their right.

        As for Rush, well, the far left saw an opportunity to smack around someone they can't stand. Good for them. It'll come back around - it always goes back and forth. In fact, it never ends.
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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          At the end of the day, this IS what it comes down to - his qualifications. It's no different than trying to buy any franchise - try to buy a McDonald's without meeting their requirements...won't happen.

          The NFL has to look out for the NFL. If they feel Rush (or anyone else) is a detriment to the league, oh well. That IS their right.

          As for Rush, well, the far left saw an opportunity to smack around someone they can't stand. Good for them. It'll come back around - it always goes back and forth. In fact, it never ends.

          Actually the process never made it far enough to test his qualifications. He never got the chance. The investor group that asked him to join, then dropped him after hearing the false quotes being put out. So he never even made it to an actual vote. He was leveled with what has now been proven to be false quotes.

          The group that asked him on obviously already knew about the Donovan McNabb quotes, and that didn't bother them, otherwise they wouldn't have asked him to join them in the first place. It was the later false accusations of racists quotes that got him booted. Even CNN and MSNBC both went on the air with quotes that they've now had to apologize for.

          To me, claiming to be a news organization, and then putting out quotes that you haven't researched is much worse than being a commentator that is controversial with his views.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by garyv View Post

            Actually the process never made it far enough to test his qualifications. He never got the chance. The investor group that asked him to join, then dropped him after hearing the false quotes being put out. So he never even made it to an actual vote. He was leveled with what has now been proven to be false quotes.

            The group that asked him on obviously already knew about the Donovan McNabb quotes, and that didn't bother them, otherwise they wouldn't have asked him to join them in the first place. It was the later false accusations of racists quotes that got him booted. Even CNN and MSNBC both went on the air with quotes that they've now had to apologize for.

            To me, claiming to be a news organization, and then putting out quotes that you haven't researched is much worse than being a commentator that is controversial with his views.
            I understand all that. But it's still up to them.

            We don't know the entire story - only what all the "news agencies" tell us. NFL owners are a very tight-knit club with "old timers" with lots of say. If they thought that his stint as an NFL analyst was enough of a reason, oh well. It's still their right.

            The investor group clearly wants to buy into the Rams. Apparently they didn't think enough of Rush to go to bat for him. That's their right too.

            I am not naive enough to think the entire decision is because of what the news is telling us...heck, they couldn't get their facts straight on what Rush actually said. News shows are all about entertainment, sensationalism and profits. Not news.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      80%?? Try 0%. OK, just name one that I listed and show it to be a fact. You do know what a fact is right?
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      80% of those quotes, are just him quoting facts...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    Tim, come on, you realized the unproven so-called quotes that were making the most waves on this story were false so you go on a webhunt for anything that looks like it could stir up some negativity, and honestly, you've fallen way short.

    Let's state some other quotes from CURRENT owners:

    "And the game done chose me to bring pain to ni**as and pu**y holes, they one in the same." - Jennifer Lopez, minority owner of the Miami Dolphins

    "Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism, But we still got terrorists here livin', In the USA, the big CIA." - Fergie, minority owner of the Miami Dolphins

    Is that acceptable Tim?
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    First off let me say that I personally find Mr Limbaugh as obnoxious a soul as ever walked the face of the earth. My opinion of course.

    Having said that, I wouldn't stop him buying whatever he can afford to buy. If he's got the cash, let him buy it.

    BTW I consider myself neither Left- nor Right-wing. I agree with the Right on some issues and with the Left on others.

    During the time I have been eligible to vote I have voted on both sides of the fence. Depends on what's going on at the time, and who I believe is the best equipped to deal with those circumstances. I don't think either side has monopoly on truth, however both sides have valid points. Once again my opinion. For all its worth.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    The funniest thing I've heard in this thread is that who ever thinks Rush is a racist - is racist themselves.


    After that comes...

    ...comparing...

    ... J-Lo's remarks or some other stuff some rapper(s) said...

    ...to the Rushers' history and HUGE body of work - in the racial inflammatory department.


    Third...

    The drink the Koolaid stuff.


    Guess what???

    Bringing up, all the stuff he didn't say but was attributed to him does not get rid of all the things he did say.


    ( I know, I know, it's really not all that bad and/or his stuff has been taken out of context - right??? )


    The Rush-man has a mountain of evidence suggesting he's a racist.

    Maybe he's not. ( neither is Glenn Beck )


    So what if he has a Black guy for a sidekick.

    Big deal.

    There are self-hating folks from all groups and maybe just maybe to dude actually thinks the Rusher is a nice guy - especially with the salary he's earning to help him in his beliefs.


    It's a great cover...

    ... for someone that overtly and over and over again, uses racial polarization to boost his rating/income because there's a huge and ready market for that kind of stuff.


    Sure it's political and also good business as far as the NFL is concerned.

    What sane business person wants to offend a good portion of their customers when they don't have to?

    Are any of you Limbaugh fans willing to stop watching the NFL because they don't want your hero?



    Seems like the NFL is willing to risk offending you by declining Mr. Limbaugh's attempt to join their club.

    The NFL turned him down because they don't want him and what he represents - period.

    Try to get it....

    The NFL does not want owners that...

    - regularly call the president the ugliest of names:

    - race bait every chance they get:

    - is offensive to the vast majority of the NFL workforce:

    - has said ugly things about the NFL:

    - has a HUGE body of ( perceived at the very least ) racial inflammatory work like the Rusher:

    I don't need to listen to him everyday to understand him, since his body of public work speaks volumes.

    Maybe he ain't a racist, but he's still a professional, racial trouble maker.

    Rush is so slick that I bet he picked up a bunch of new followers in this whole messy affair.

    TL

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    Rush was close-lined for no gain on this play.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      The funniest thing I've heard in this thread is that who ever thinks Rush is a racist - is racist themselves.


      After that comes...

      ...comparing...

      ... J-Lo's remarks or some other stuff some rapper(s) said...

      ...to the Rushers' history and HUGE body of work - in the racial inflammatory department.


      Third...

      The drink the Koolaid stuff.


      Guess what???

      Bringing up, all the stuff he didn't say but was attributed to him does not get rid of all the things he did say.


      ( I know, I know, it's really not all that bad and/or his stuff has been taken out of context - right??? )


      The Rush-man has a mountain of evidence suggesting he's a racist.

      Maybe he's not. ( neither is Glenn Beck )


      So what if he has a Black guy for a sidekick.

      Big deal.

      There are self-hating folks from all groups and maybe just maybe to dude actually thinks the Rusher is a nice guy - especially with the salary he's earning to help him in his beliefs.


      It's a great cover...

      ... for someone that overtly and over and over again, uses racial polarization to boost his rating/income because there's a huge and ready market for that kind of stuff.


      Sure it's political and also good business as far as the NFL is concerned.

      What sane business person wants to offend a good portion of their customers when they don't have to?

      Are any of you Ru****es willing to stop watching the NFL because they don't want your hero?

      Seems like the NFL is willing to risk offending you by declining Mr. Limbaugh's attempt to join their club.

      The NFL turned him down because they don't want him and what he represents - period.

      Try to get it....

      The NFL does not want owners that...

      - regularly call the president the ugliest of names:

      - race bait every chance they get:

      - is offensive to the vast majority of the NFL workforce:

      - has said ugly things about the NFL:

      - has a HUGE body of ( perceived at the very least ) racial inflammatory work like the Rusher:

      I don't need to listen to him everyday to understand him, his body of public work speaks volumes.

      Maybe he ain't a racist, but he's still a professional, racial trouble maker.

      Rush is so slick that I bet he picked up a bunch of new followers in this whole messy affair.

      TL

      Ps.

      Rush was close-lined for no gain on this play.
      Wow, real Rush hater.

      Don't hold back TL...tell us how you REALLY feel LOL!

      You know, maybe the man is just an entertainer who's job it is to rile up people - which he does well (just look at your posts about him - he riles you up pretty good).
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Wow, real Rush hater.

        Don't hold back TL...tell us how you REALLY feel LOL!

        You know, maybe the man is just an entertainer who's job it is to rile up people - which he does well (just look at your posts about him - he riles you up pretty good).
        Mike, the man doesn't rile my blood.

        Actually, it's been a lot of fun and he's an very easy target.

        My posts and comments on this subject are in fact an analysis of why the dude was rejected by the NFL.

        His politics are his politics - great.

        But then there's the other side ( racial ) of Mr. Limbaugh...

        He may be an entertainer but...

        ...a big part of his act is the generation of extra, premeditated racial animosity which IMHO is a cancer on the republic and the last thing we need.

        Sure, there's going to be some of that in any society that has different groups within, but this dude is extra and makes a good deal of his living feeding, stoking and bringing out the worst impulses in well meaning people.

        My major point is...

        He who publicly promotes racial animosity will not be accepted into the mainstream of American life anymore or at least anytime soon.

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    And yet the race merchants (Sharpton and Jackson) get away with it on a daily basis.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by john_kennedy View Post

      And yet the race merchants (Sharpton and Jackson) get away with it on a daily basis.



      Exactly how do Jackson & Sharpton generate racial animosity??


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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Exactly how do Jackson & Sharpton generate racial animosity??


        TL

        That's a joke right?

        And by the way - Rush has been on the air for decades. Everything he says is recorded. And yet the news media has yet to come up with a quote from him that makes him a definitive racist. And believe me they are trying hard to find it.

        The only thing they have done is yet again raise the interest of people in Rush Limbaugh. He's playing the media like a fiddle for his own ratings.


        I just find it funny that they'll allow NFL commentary from a guy that deems it necessary to find a "Worst Person in the World" on a nightly basis. Talk about inciting hatred. And yes for nearly 8 years this person called the sitting president the ugliest of names.

        I wouldn't have much of a problem with it, if there wasn't such blatant hypocrisy.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          That's a joke right?

          And by the way - Rush has been on the air for decades. Everything he says is recorded. And yet the news media has yet to come up with a quote from him that makes him a definitive racist. And believe me they are trying hard to find it.

          The only thing they have done is yet again raise the interest of people in Rush Limbaugh. He's playing the media like a fiddle for his own ratings.


          I just find it funny that they'll allow NFL commentary from a guy that deems it necessary to find a "Worst Person in the World" on a nightly basis. Talk about inciting hatred. And yes for nearly 8 years this person called the sitting president the ugliest of names.

          I wouldn't have much of a problem with it, if there wasn't such blatant hypocrisy.


          Why not give us the Jackson and Sharpton files?

          We certainly have the Limbaugh file.




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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            Why not give us the Jackson and Sharpton files?
            Files? There are files? DoI smell "conspiracy"?


            We certainly have the Limbaugh file.
            We? As in the far left?

            I thought you said you were in the middle? Hmmm...

            Sharpton is well known for his hipocracy and penchant for the limelight . He'll be sure to take whatever opportunity to turn a white persons comment racial - and in front of the press.

            There's a term for that... media whore.
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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              Files? There are files? Do I smell "conspiracy"?




              We? As in the far left?

              I thought you said you were in the middle? Hmmm...

              Sharpton is well known for his hipocracy and penchant for the limelight . He'll be sure to take whatever opportunity to turn a white persons comment racial - and in front of the press.

              There's a term for that... media whore.

              When I mentioned files, I was talking about the body of public work such as Mr. Limbaugh's.


              Media whore isn't quite the same as professional racial provocateur, which is what the Rusher is.

              Some folks can't stand Mr. Sharpton, especially since he had a big hand in knocking off another racial troublemaker - Imus and he also had a part in this situation.


              Mr. Sharpton for the most part simply responds...

              to out of line racial situations such as...

              - Rush Limbaugh:

              - Imus and his remarks about the Rutgers Woman's Basketball Team:

              - Cases of police brutality:

              - Travesties in the criminal justice system:


              Although I'm a registered independent...

              I never said I was in the middle.

              I said I was pragmatic.

              As a matter of fact, I thought I explained quite clearly to you that in these historical times I can not support the folks on the right - especially on the national level.

              Note: for the ill-informed, these are not historical times because we have a black president.

              They are extra historical times in our nation because...

              - This situation is a re-run of the 1928 period:

              whereas...

              Somebody ran the country into the ground and then somebody else had to clean up the mess. ( this is twice )


              Why am I not on the right?

              - Their horrific track record: ( for any pragmatic Jr. historian to examine )

              - Their basic philosophy:

              - Their southern strategy - embodied in Mr. Limbaugh:


              Yea, it's we when it comes to Mr. Limbaugh.


              This should be an open and shut case here against Mr. Limbaugh but nooooooooooooooooooo,


              ...incredibly ( but not any more ) lots of folks find ways to try to explain away a clear professional racial provocateur who's body of work speaks for itself.


              What's next?

              The defense of Glenn Beck as simply an patriotic American that loves his country?

              Carry on.


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                • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                  Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                  TL - either you spend an awful lot of time listening to these guys you say you can't stand, or you are simply forming your opinions from others who do.

                  You have a very interesting viewpoint - whether you want to admit it or not, it is WAY left.

                  Not middle.

                  Not pragmatic.

                  Just...left. You wear it on your sleeve. I don't know why you simply don't embrace it.

                  Those quotes that I used regarding the Mr. Limbaugh are confirmed and in the public record.

                  Tim's quotes regarding Mr. Limbaugh are confirmed also.

                  They form the basis of my opinion of Mr. Limbaugh.

                  In these days and times in our nation's history,

                  ...so-called way left is pragmatic as far as I'm concerned.

                  - If not liking a person I consider a professional political cynic and a professional racial provocateur is so-called left, then I'm left.


                  What you don't seem to understand ( and by now, I'm not surprised ) is that the lines have been moved in regards to left vs. right.


                  Example:

                  It's now considered left many many ill-informed people for a federal government to promote the general welfare...


                  ================================================== =========
                  ( it's in the constitution - The Preamble )

                  We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense,...

                  ... promote the general Welfare,...

                  ... and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

                  ================================================== ===========


                  ...instead of wiping it's hands clean and doing nothing regarding any probs the nation as a whole may have.



                  It wasn't considered so-called left in the 1950's when President Eisenhower...

                  ( a republican, if you didn't know )

                  ...proposed and then started the building of the national highway system that we have today.

                  It was built with 90% federal money.

                  Interstate Highway System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                  But today, proposing it would be considered so-called left and perhaps even a nefarious plot by the federal gov to take over the roads by professional trouble makers (cynics) and the idiots running around this nation that follow them.


                  You have had many interesting viewpoints yourself.


                  Your fascination with the so-called middle has you defending a scumbag like the Rusher.


                  The man's a professional political cynic and a professional racial provocateur in a nation that needs neither.


                  He's plugged into a couple of always fertile fields in American life to make a fortune while being a cancer on the nation.

                  Sooner or later, he's going to slip up and some how get recorded laughing at all his supporters for supporting him and making him rich at their expense.

                  TL

                  Ps. Anyone can write whatever they like.

                  I'm through with this thread.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                    Your fascination with the so-called middle has you defending a scumbag like the Rusher.

                    Not once have I defended Rush. Read my responses again. I just get a kick out of people coming out of the woodwork to thrash him while at the same time defend others with just as polarizing views and recorded statements throughout their lives. It could ONLY be due to party affiliations...

                    And it seems you like to leave these types of threads when people call you out on things.

                    Well, then maybe you shouldn't START them.
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                    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                      Not once have I defended Rush. Read my responses again. I just get a kick out of people coming out of the woodwork to thrash him while at the same time defend others with just as polarizing views and recorded statements throughout their lives. It could ONLY be due to party affiliations...

                      And it seems you like to leave these types of threads when people call you out on things.

                      Well, then maybe you shouldn't START them.



                      No one has the body of work that Mr. Limbaugh has.


                      I like to leave threads when there's nothing else to be said and all we're doing is going round and round with the same points.

                      Well do you support what the Rusher is doing or not??

                      We don't need to hear about you supporting his right to say what ever he says since that's a given.

                      Yes or no because, there really isn't any middle ground on this one.



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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                        No one has the body of work that Mr. Limbaugh has.


                        I like to leave threads when there's nothing else to be said and all we're doing is going round and round with the same points.

                        Well do you support what the Rusher is doing or not??

                        We don't need to hear about you supporting his right to say what ever he says since that's a given.

                        Yes or no because, there really isn't any middle ground on this one.



                        TL

                        Well, I have stated in other threads that I am not a "black and white" kind of guy.

                        Whether or not I "support" Rush is not even an issue here. I have also stated (in this thread) that I don't particularly care for his style, I don't listen to him, etc.

                        Frankly, I don't even know what you mean by "what he is doing". If you are referring, as in your other posts, his being a racist, I don't know whether he is or not. You claim he is based on the things he has said. Others say he isn't and that he's being taken out of context. I suppose I could spend time researching, but to me it would be a waste of time.

                        But I can say the exact same thing about Sharpton. Is he a racist? MANY MANY people over the years have said he is. But I roll my eyes whenever he gets in the news and turn him off.

                        I am not interested much in what either one of these people have to say. I consider them both self-righteous entertainers with agendas.

                        That answer your question?

                        Oh, and for the record, I am not a fan of Oberman, Beck, Mathews, O Reilly, Levine, etc. It's just that none of them appeal to me. I can think of many, much better avenues to get my news of the day - from both sides.
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                        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                          Well, I have stated in other threads that I am not a "black and white" kind of guy.

                          Whether or not I "support" Rush is not even an issue here. I have also stated (in this thread) that I don't particularly care for his style, I don't listen to him, etc.

                          Frankly, I don't even know what you mean by "what he is doing". If you are referring, as in your other posts, his being a racist, I don't know whether he is or not. You claim he is based on the things he has said. Others say he isn't and that he's being taken out of context. I suppose I could spend time researching, but to me it would be a waste of time.

                          But I can say the exact same thing about Sharpton. Is he a racist? MANY MANY people over the years have said he is. But I roll my eyes whenever he gets in the news and turn him off.

                          I am not interested much in what either one of these people have to say. I consider them both self-righteous entertainers with agendas.

                          That answer your question?

                          Oh, and for the record, I am not a fan of Oberman, Beck, Mathews, O Reilly, Levine, etc. It's just that none of them appeal to me. I can think of many, much better avenues to get my news of the day - from both sides.

                          Have you ever considered politics?

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                          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                            Have you ever considered politics?

                            TL
                            And why would I do that? In fact, based on your posts, you would to the Democrats a world of good

                            I don't mean that as in insult either. You are obviously passionate in your beliefs. I am too "middle of the road" for either party.
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                      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                        No one has the body of work that Mr. Limbaugh has.


                        I like to leave threads when there's nothing else to be said and all we're doing is going round and round with the same points.

                        Well do you support what the Rusher is doing or not??

                        We don't need to hear about you supporting his right to say what ever he says since that's a given.

                        Yes or no because, there really isn't any middle ground on this one.
                        You earlier called rush a scumbag. Come On... I didn't even think YOU would sink so low. He speaks his mind, and YES, he DOES provoke. Granted, it isn't the same, but I mentioned that there are things he says that I don't like. But you should probably check YOURSELF if you are going to call him a scumbag.

                        HEY, you can defend a persons right to say something without agreeing with it. Christians have ACTUALLY defended SATANISTS' rights to say things! It is an unfortunate truth that if you don't defend THEIRs, YOURs might have even MORE trouble later. It is like the saying of "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer". Or...

                        "First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me." is just one of many variations of a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
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                        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                          You earlier called rush a scumbag. Come On... I didn't even think YOU would sink so low. He speaks his mind, and YES, he DOES provoke. Granted, it isn't the same, but I mentioned that there are things he says that I don't like. But you should probably check YOURSELF if you are going to call him a scumbag.

                          HEY, you can defend a persons right to say something without agreeing with it. Christians have ACTUALLY defended SATANISTS' rights to say things! It is an unfortunate truth that if you don't defend THEIRs, YOURs might have even MORE trouble later. It is like the saying of "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer". Or...



                          Steve
                          OK...

                          His correct title should be...

                          Professional Anti-Government Cynicism and Racial Animosity Provocateur Par Excellence Scumbag.

                          Of course he has the right to say whatever he wants and I also have to right to voice my opinion of him right?



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                          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                            OK...

                            His correct title should be...

                            Professional Anti-Government Cynicism and Racial Animosity Provocateur Par Excellence Scumbag.

                            Of course he has the right to say whatever he wants and I also have to right to voice my opinion of him right?



                            TL

                            YEP, and I already told you how I felt!
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Exactly how do Jackson & Sharpton generate racial animosity??


        TL
        Unbelievable... you come in here and bash Rush and then defend two of the biggest race baiters alive today (Sharpton and Jackson). LOL, the more you talk, the more irrelevant you become.
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        • Profile picture of the author Trader54
          Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

          LOL, the more you talk, the more irrelevant you become.
          I think he realizes that, that is why he is trying to leave this thread so bad.
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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by Trader54 View Post

            I think he realizes that, that is why he is trying to leave this thread so bad.
            Aren't you from Canada?

            If so, please but out.

            This is an internal debate.

            Thanks,

            TL
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            • Profile picture of the author Trader54
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              Aren't you from Canada?

              If so, please but out.

              This is an internal debate.

              Thanks,

              TL
              What does Canada have to do with this?

              Sounds like your going no where fast.
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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by Trader54 View Post

                What does Canada have to do with this?

                Sounds like your going no where fast.


                What if I said I really don't like foreigners getting in the middle of American disputes???


                TL
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                • Profile picture of the author Trader54
                  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                  What if I said I really don't like foreigners getting in the middle of American disputes???


                  TL
                  From what I gather this is a public forum, I see peoples from all over
                  on this forum.

                  But that says a lot about who you really are and what your about.

                  Your thread, so will leave you alone.

                  Have a great day!
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

          Unbelievable... you come in here and bash Rush and then defend two of the biggest race baiters alive today (Sharpton and Jackson). LOL, the more you talk, the more irrelevant you become.

          Hold on...

          So, let me get this straight...

          Rush is not a racist but Sharpton and Jackson are?

          If your answer is yes, I refuse to start another round of back and forth with you.

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      BTW, it hasn't been proven that Rush didn't make those two statements. It actually sounds like something he would say. Rush himself wasn't even sure if he did or not. Check out his statement on this. He says his staff couldn't find any quotes like that. So that means he wasn't even sure. Doesn't that tell you something?
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        BTW, it hasn't been proven that Rush didn't make those two statements. It actually sounds like something he would say. Rush himself wasn't even sure if he did or not. Check out his statement on this. He says his staff couldn't find any quotes like that. So that means he wasn't even sure. Doesn't that tell you something?

        Yes it tells me that a man on the wrong side of politcs can be smeared with out anyone knowing for sure if their facts are even right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    - "Their southern strategy - embodied in Mr. Limbaugh:"

    Excuse me?

    Want to explain EXACTLY what that means?
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      That's just a term for a political strategy used by Republicans on and off for the last 50 plus years.

      "Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Richard Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it,[1] but merely popularized it.[2] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:

      From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]

      While Phillips was concerned with polarizing ethnic voting in general, and not just with winning the white South, this was by far the biggest prize yielded by his approach. Its success began at the presidential level, gradually trickling down to statewide offices, the Senate and House, as legacy segregationist Democrats retired or switched to the GOP."

      Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

      - "Their southern strategy - embodied in Mr. Limbaugh:"

      Excuse me?

      Want to explain EXACTLY what that means?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      I REALLY have to wonder where that term "southern strategy", REALLY started! The republicans WERE, despite what you may think the reasons were, the ones that basically ENDED slavery, and created the 13th amendment! FRANKLY, you can't win "negrophobe"(a word that implies that it is spoken to people that at least CLAIM to like negros, and as a term AGAINST whom they speak) votes that way. The term negrophobe implies that a DEMOCRAT made the statement. So it REALLY makes me wonder.

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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I REALLY have to wonder where that term "southern strategy", REALLY started! The republicans WERE, despite what you may think the reasons were, the ones that basically ENDED slavery, and created the 13th amendment! FRANKLY, you can't win "negrophobe"(a word that implies that it is spoken to people that at least CLAIM to like negros, and as a term AGAINST whom they speak) votes that way. The term negrophobe implies that a DEMOCRAT made the statement. So it REALLY makes me wonder.

        Steve
        I said I was through with this thread but you have brought me out of retirement.

        Maybe you didn't know but...

        The parties have changed philosophies since the R-Party was born in the 1850's.

        So saying the R-Party ended slavery is true but also misleading since they are the party of the modern day southern strategy. ( last 50 odd years )

        The R-Party became the party of big business etc., in the 1880's and it's core philosophy has remained intact to this day.

        Both parties were basically the same way until FDR took over the D-Party in the 1930's.


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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          I said I was through with this thread but you have brought me out of retirement.

          Maybe you didn't know but...

          The parties have changed philosophies since the R-Party was born in the 1850's.

          So saying the R-Party ended slavery is true but also misleading since they are the party of the modern day southern strategy. ( last 50 odd years )

          The R-Party became the party of big business etc., in the 1880's and it's core philosophy has remained intact to this day.

          Both parties were basically the same way until FDR took over the D-Party in the 1930's.


          TL

          Well, the democrat party changed in several ways also, but not really as you imply.

          And the republicans aren't so FULLY the party of big business, and that certainly isn't anyones SOLE interest. BTW here is my impression of the people that some have ACTED like they were republican....

          1. RUSH (R) believes the environment really can't be hurt, and the free market really needs NO rules. THAT I think is going too far, and is wrong.
          2. IMUS (I) well, I think he is a bit liberal, and a little TOO loose, if you get my meaning.
          3. Glenn Beck (I) He sometimes sounds crazy, but really isn't. He seems to have his heart in the right place.
          4. Jay Severin (I) He believes homosexuals should be allowed openly in the military, and be able to get all privileges given to married people. HEY, even a man and woman can't have that without being married and subject to OTHER problems, and they were created to offset certain disparities, etc.... CLOSE friends can't do it. BESIDES, part of it is AGAINST most religons. WHY do they want to do it, if it is AGAINST "their religion"? And the religions ALL claim to be WRITTEN IN STONE, yet homosexuals want them to be changed? Talk about SENSELESS! Frankly, I think he is wrong on both counts. STILL, He seems to have his heart in the right place for most other things.

          There are others, but I can't even recall the names at this moment. Still, outside of maybe imus, ALL have been called voices of the republicans. ALL deny it. Even RUSH doesn't speak for them. Except for Imus, they are all mostly conservative, and that is as close as they get.

          BTW geraldo NOW is running a show that I think WILL be faiir, though he IS covering a lot of nasty comments, and has al sharpton on!

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            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            There are others, but I can't even recall the names at this moment. Still, outside of maybe imus, ALL have been called voices of the republicans. ALL deny it. Even RUSH doesn't speak for them. Except for Imus, they are all mostly conservative, and that is as close as they get.

            Steve
            Funny, I heard Limbaugh himself say after McCain lost he was tired of being a water-carrier for the R party.

            But still, this thead is way too political and not one person has brought up why Limbaugh is a more qualified NFL owner than Stan Kroenke, even if every one of Rush's controversial comments is dismissed. Rush ain't the best candidate, and wouldn't win any way.

            Kroenke is a Walmart exec and is a multi-billionaire with very deep pockets. He also owns the Denver Nuggest and Colorado Avalanche. He has money, a proven background as a sports owner, and tries to build competitive teams. And he's known as "Silent Stan", which means he is very unlikely to ever say anything that will get him, or the NFL, into trouble.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Funny, I heard Limbaugh himself say after McCain lost he was tired of being a water-carrier for the R party.

              But still, this thead is way too political and not one person has brought up why Limbaugh is a more qualified NFL owner than Stan Kroenke, even if every one of Rush's controversial comments is dismissed. Rush ain't the best candidate, and wouldn't win any way.

              Kroenke is a Walmart exec and is a multi-billionaire with very deep pockets. He also owns the Denver Nuggest and Colorado Avalanche. He has money, a proven background as a sports owner, and tries to build competitive teams. And he's known as "Silent Stan", which means he is very unlikely to ever say anything that will get him, or the NFL, into trouble.
              Well, I guess I don't have ANYTHING against Stan Kroenke. I'll defer to your interest there. I never said Limbaugh was THE guy. I just think he is getting railroaded here.

              But Stan Kroenke IS married to a VERY rich person that has given him a LOT of business, and I guess he has had other business, so you can't say rush can invest more, so you are right there.

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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        That was an unusually honest quote from someone in politics and it was a Republican strategist for Richard Nixon. So, I don't know what you are wondering about.

        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        The term negrophobe implies that a DEMOCRAT made the statement. So it REALLY makes me wonder.

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          That was an unusually honest quote from someone in politics and it was a Republican strategist for Richard Nixon. So, I don't know what you are wondering about.
          Well, wasn't really interested in even the NEWS when Nixon was president. I was SHOCKED to hear Nixon say some NASTY things about blacks, I heard it on one of those tapes. I think he even said some bad things about the jewish people though he was part of a project that HELPED them! Still, even if it was late in coming, a lot of truths were revealed by nixon.

          Some things he did were blown out of proportion so much, and should really pale in comparison to others.

          BTW I really don't like Nixon, in case anyone is curious. If I could have voted, and knew what I now know, I would have voted for JFK also, though I didn't like LBJ.

          Still, I wonder about that whole thing, and you claimed the idea happened EARLIER, and the quote implies it was said at an earlier time!

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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            I wasn't shocked. However, the interesting thing is how liberal, by todays standards, Nixon was. Hell, today he would be considered a socialistic commie.

            We almost had universal health care under Nixon, but ironically it was rejected by Teddy Kennedy, which was one of the biggest regrets of his life.

            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Well, wasn't really interested in even the NEWS when Nixon was president. I was SHOCKED to hear Nixon say some NASTY things about blacks, I heard it on one of those tapes. I think he even said some bad things about the jewish people though he was part of a project that HELPED them! Still, even if it was late in coming, a lot of truths were revealed by nixon.

            Some things he did were blown out of proportion so much, and should really pale in comparison to others.

            BTW I really don't like Nixon, in case anyone is curious. If I could have voted, and knew what I now know, I would have voted for JFK also, though I didn't like LBJ.

            Still, I wonder about that whole thing, and you claimed the idea happened EARLIER, and the quote implies it was said at an earlier time!

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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I REALLY have to wonder where that term "southern strategy", REALLY started! The republicans WERE, despite what you may think the reasons were, the ones that basically ENDED slavery, and created the 13th amendment! FRANKLY, you can't win "negrophobe"(a word that implies that it is spoken to people that at least CLAIM to like negros, and as a term AGAINST whom they speak) votes that way. The term negrophobe implies that a DEMOCRAT made the statement. So it REALLY makes me wonder.

        Steve
        The term negrophobe implies that a DEMOCRAT made the statement.

        Have you got phobe and phile mixed up??

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          The term negrophobe implies that a DEMOCRAT made the statement.

          Have you got phobe and phile mixed up??

          TL
          NO WAY! But I. probably like most republicans, know that "PHOBE" means FEAR, as in PHOBIA, and NOT hatred or dislike!

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Most of the quotes are out of their original context, and some are not only not confirmed, but have been debunked. And if by public record you mean you found them on the internet, or on wikipedia, then good luck using them as any form of evidence. Rush is on the radio. That means that everything he says is recorded. Let's hear an actual recording of rush being a racist.

    If you listen to Rush in his full context, then you'd know that he's not a racist. You can't take sentences and words out of context and found on the internet, paste them together, and then form an opinion about a man. (well democrats can) You have to actually hear what the man has to say.

    For instance:

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Most of the quotes are out of their original context, and some are not only not confirmed, but have been debunked. And if by public record you mean you found them on the internet, or on wikipedia, then good luck using them as any form of evidence. Rush is on the radio. That means that everything he says is recorded. Let's hear an actual recording of rush being a racist.

      If you listen to Rush in his full context, then you'd know that he's not a racist. You can't take sentences and words out of context and found on the internet, paste them together, and then form an opinion about a man. (well democrats can) You have to actually hear what the man has to say.

      For instance:

      YouTube - Al Sharpton
      YouTube - Al Sharpton revealed, again
      YouTube - Al Sharpton uses Bigoted Comments against Mitt Romney

      So, you found some statements by Mr. Sharpton.

      Good detective work.

      They still don't come close to measuring up to the HUGE body of work of the Rusher.


      And remember, this thread is about Mr. Limbaugh...

      ... & The NFL's rejection ( into the cheap seats ) of his bid to become an NFL owner..



      I did some detective work of my own...

      Here's a clip on the Rusher... ( Obama's America )

      fast forward to the 1 minute mark...


      Totally unnecessary, but that's Mr. Limbaugh in action.


      Trying to explain away the Rusher's confirmed remarks by saying we need to understand the context or they've been cobbled together to create a bunch of ugly quotes is silly and naive at best and head in the sand at worst.


      It's the only way the dude and his antics can be defended.


      The man has a confirmed racial inflammatory record a arm long and no amount explaining will get around it - not with rational people.

      OK, maybe he's not a racist,...

      ... but he's done an masterful job of harnessing and stoking anti-government cynicism and racist sentiments on his way to making millions...

      ... by taking advantage of confused, frightened, ill-informed and bewildered otherwise, patriotic Americans.

      There's gold in dem dar hills for people of Mr. Limbaugh's ilk and he's taking full advantage of the situation to the hilt.

      Video Item:

      When the birther movement was in it's heyday, the super patriot. Mr. Limbaugh could have said something like, come on folks, saying Obama's not an American citizen is a little much.



      But instead he was one of the leading lights of the silly birther movement.

      There's only 2 reasons to flirt with that birtherism stuff...

      A: Ignorance:

      B: Racism:

      That's it. There's no other way to explain it.



      Here's the Rusher in person on birtherism...





      If you're still sticking to your guns after all this, I can only conclude that...

      You're living in a fantasy world in regards to Mr. Limbaugh situation but you're certainly not alone.


      Sorry ( actually I'm not ) but Rush is not mainstream and won't be anytime soon.


      As I said in another part of this thread...

      one day, Mr. L. is going to get busted...

      ... laughing at and about his oh so gullible, but lucrative flock of loyal followers and how they've made him filthy rich and received nothing but misguided anti-government cynicism and feelings of racial superiority in exchange.



      The Rush backfired as he was set up for the (NFL) screen(ing) pass on this one.

      TL

      Ps. Now, I'm really through with this thread and will not reply again - not even for one of Seasons' doozies.
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    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

    The one and only Mr. Rush Limbaugh as been removed from a group that is trying to purchase the NFL's St. Louis Rams.


    After a letter from the Player's Association and multiple other public rumblings regarding Mr. Limbaugh's past statements etc. ...

    ...the purchase group was informed that Mr. Limbaugh's association with the group would make it difficult for the group to pass mustard with the NFL owners...

    .. of whom 75% must vote in favor of the prospective ownership group for inclusion into the lucrative NFL.


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    TL
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    TL you are really pushing it. I could really answer your questions, but don't want to go TOO far, because that WILL lock this thread. But to say the birther movement is out of ignorance or racism is ridiculous. For one thing, MOST blacks in this country ARE considered full citizens in every sense of the word, and certainly permitted to become president. Still, it IS interesting that BO really didn't present a proper birth certificate, especially in light of statements made by his aunt and uncle. If he did that, he would shut up MOST of the birthers. There IS an obscure rule that the remainder hold to, that says obama doesn't qualify, but that is obviously a minority. MOST blacks in this country satisfy BOTH requirements.

    So that should at least partially answer ONE of your fallacious allegations, but it obviously answers the other.

    HECK, the 13th amendment meant that almost all of the slaves EVEN THEN, and ALL of their descendents were considered CITIZENS by the more popular meaning. Of course, Obama's father doesn't qualify because he was from kenya, etc... HEY, my great grandparents on my fathers side had to go through ellis island, etc... to become citizens, and THEY were WHITE. So that isn't a racial/racist issue.

    BTW

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      TL you are really pushing it. I could really answer your questions, but don't want to go TOO far, because that WILL lock this thread. But to say the birther movement is out of ignorance or racism is ridiculous. For one thing, MOST blacks in this country ARE considered full citizens in every sense of the word, and certainly permitted to become president. Still, it IS interesting that BO really didn't present a proper birth certificate, especially in light of statements made by his aunt and uncle. If he did that, he would shut up MOST of the birthers. There IS an obscure rule that the remainder hold to, that says obama doesn't qualify, but that is obviously a minority. MOST blacks in this country satisfy BOTH requirements.

      So that should at least partially answer ONE of your fallacious allegations, but it obviously answers the other.

      HECK, the 13th amendment meant that almost all of the slaves EVEN THEN, and ALL of their descendents were considered CITIZENS by the more popular meaning. Of course, Obama's father doesn't qualify because he was from kenya, etc... HEY, my great grandparents on my fathers side had to go through ellis island, etc... to become citizens, and THEY were WHITE. So that isn't a racial/racist issue.

      BTW

      McCain's citizenship called into question - Nightly News with Brian Williams- msnbc.com


      Steve

      You've forced me out of retirement.

      I guess the Hawaiian birth cert is just not good enough for some people.

      I wonder why?

      Are not saying that he didn't produce his Hawaiian birth cert???

      If it's not the R word or the I word what else on earth could it be???

      I guess the Hawaiian birth cert is just not good enough for some people.

      What other birth cert do you want him to show???

      What other than a state birth cert can anyone show???

      Big deal, that birther stuff about Mccain was a 2 day story at best and the left, simply let the issue go...

      ... but birthers decided to go on and on about Obama's birth cert when he has already produced it.

      I guess the Hawaiian birth cert is just not good enough for some people.

      I wonder why?

      What do you want, footage of him coming out his mother's womb?

      and...


      No kidding that all blacks born here, satisfy all citizenship requirements - since the 13th amendment.


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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        You've forced me out of retirement.

        I guess the Hawaiian birth cert is just not good enough for some people.

        I wonder why?

        Are not saying that he didn't produce his Hawaiian birth cert???

        If it's not the R word or the I word what else on earth could it be???

        I guess the Hawaiian birth cert is just not good enough for some people.

        What other birth cert do you want him to show???

        What other than a state birth cert can anyone show???
        NOPE, we would accept a BIRTH certificate. I wonder WHY he has NOT presented one!

        http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0017_0008.htm

        PLEASE note the DOMAIN!


        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Big deal, that birther stuff about Mccain was a 2 day story at best and the left, simply let the issue go...

        ... but birthers decided to go on and on about Obama's birth cert when he has already produced it.
        Well, he DID have TWO us citizen parents, and was officially born on recognized US territory. He also stayed there. HECK, he risked his LIFE for the US. If they didn't stop discussing mccain, it would have made the obama issue WORSE. ALSO, it looks like THEY started it. And you ARE the one that keeps bringing up birthers here.

        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        No kidding that all blacks born here, satisfy all citizenship requirements - since the 13th amendment.
        WRONG! Not all blacks do! Not all whites do either! All born here are CITIZENS! There is a DIFFERENCE!!!!! To be a citizen here you have to be born on US soil, born to a citizen, married to a citizen, naturalized, or somehow granted such. That does NOT meet the requirement for a US president! The BASIC US requirement for president says you must be born to a US citizen on territory officially recognized as the US(I don't think the 13th amendment applies to possessions or territories that aren't fully within US borders, but other citizenship DOES), and/or meet other specific criteria. It IS a STRICTER standard. Arnold Swartzenegger is a respected politician, and even a CA GOVERNOR! HECK, he CAMPAIGNED for many politicians! He was on a presidents council! He is a naturalized citizen and married to a US citizen. He can NOT, under current law, be President of the US!

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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          NOPE, we would accept a BIRTH certificate. I wonder WHY he has NOT presented one!

          http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0017_0008.htm

          PLEASE note the DOMAIN!


          Steve
          What about the domain???


          Are you saying that he does not have a valid state of Hawaii birth cert and he has not presented it to the world???

          I'm sure he has ( Chris Matthews dangled one in front of a congressman one time ) but it's just not good enough for some people.

          Why???

          You're in serious fringe territory.

          Are you suggesting that someone has become president of these United States and they are not legally entitled to be??

          It's the Konspiracy of the century.

          ( that's a special spelling for special situations like this one )

          I am not going round and round with you on this.

          I already told you my reasoning on why anyone would even consider birtherism valid but now I'll add another reason.

          - Professional provocateur reasons.

          Allen Keys & that woman from California ( Olli something ) & Rush of course.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            I am not going round and round with you on this.
            OH, I could have a FIELD day with this, but I will just pay attention to that last statement. GLAD TO HEAR IT!

            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            I already told you my reasoning on why anyone would even consider birtherism valid but now I'll add another reason.

            - Professional provocateur reasons.

            Allen Keys & that woman from California ( Olli something ) & Rush of course.
            You DO know that Alan Keyes is BLACK, right!? So you are saying HE is racist!? Especially against blacks!? Maybe sometime in the FUTURE you can tell me how you came up with THAT!?

            BTW I think the foreigners have as much right as YOU to chime in. But I will bow out, and you said YOU will, so maybe we can leave it at that.

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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              OH, I could have a FIELD day with this, but I will just pay attention to that last statement. GLAD TO HEAR IT!



              You DO know that Alan Keyes is BLACK, right!? So you are saying HE is racist!? Especially against blacks!? Maybe sometime in the FUTURE you can tell me how you came up with THAT!?

              BTW I think the foreigners have as much right as YOU to chime in. But I will bow out, and you said YOU will, so maybe we can leave it at that.

              Steve
              Ah...

              Sure I know he's black.

              Mr. Key's reasons for his involvement in the birther stuff are reason #3 which is...

              he's a professional political opportunist and will do anything (apparently) to raise his profile so that he can get back to the speaker's circuit and/or to raise his speaker fees.

              The man's quite desperate.

              TL

              Ps. Now that is really it for me as far as this thread is concerned.

              I do not care what you say, I'm done. ( we've all said it all )
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Since when did Obama's birth certificate have anything to do with Limbaugh not getting an NFL football team?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Since when did Obama's birth certificate have anything to do with Limbaugh not getting an NFL football team?
      You're right. It has NOTHING to do with it. FRANKLY, the team, should get to know the prospective investors, FOR REAL, and if THEY are ok with them, the investors should be judged SOLELY on their merits. Those are probably ASSETS, BUSINESS ACUMEN, ABILITY to publicise, etc.... I think any decent person should be able to agree with that. If the players don't like them AFTER they get to know them, it is their right to either quit, or convince the rest to not allow the people to buy the team. I never said ANYTHING different about that. I just hate all the rumors.

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I won't be biased - I say let Canada join the discussion. They can listen to Rush Limbaugh broadcasts up there. Plus I'd be willing to wager that Toronto gets an NFL team in the not too distant future.

    I also agree that Obama's Birth Certificate has nothing to do with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    BTW I think the foreigners have as much right as YOU to chime in. But I will bow out, and you said YOU will, so maybe we can leave it at that.

    Steve/Seasoned

    Steve, are you a American citizen or not??

    TL
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Since it isn't truly political, YES, I AM an American citizen! BOTH parents are citizens, and THEIR parents were citizens(All my grandparents are dead). I was BORN in the lower 48, have never renounced my citizenship, or taken up another citizenship. I have paid income taxes EVERY year since I got out of highschool. HECK, I paid in the last year of highschool ALSO. I was on unemployment only about ONE month in that time.

    I never even left American soil except for perhaps 4 weeks when I was in Mexico and part of western Europe.

    Not that it is any sort of requirement to be a citizen, etc... I have generally lived in middle class neighborhoods. They used to be MOSTLY white. I think I have ALWAYS had people of different races in my school classes. Heck, I remember meeting a kid in the second grade that was from INDIA. I HAVE had friends in depressed areas, and visited them there. Of course, I have had friends in upscale areas that I have visited. As for Employment? I don't think I have EVER been in an all white company that had over about 3 employees. Meetings of those in my area, at my current client, have had about 30 people. Over 20 were INDIAN. Of the FEW whites, one is russian, one irish(citizen), and then there is just me and one other. My "boss" is indian. HIS boss is indian. His boss is black. his boss is white. his boss is indian. BTW it is an international company that is based in germany.

    How about YOU?

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Since it isn't truly political, YES, I AM an American citizen! BOTH parents are citizens, and THEIR parents were citizens(All my grandparents are dead). I was BORN in the lower 48, have never renounced my citizenship, or taken up another citizenship. I have paid income taxes EVERY year since I got out of highschool. HECK, I paid in the last year of highschool ALSO. I was on unemployment only about ONE month in that time.

      I never even left American soil except for perhaps 4 weeks when I was in Mexico and part of western Europe.

      Not that it is any sort of requirement to be a citizen, etc... I have generally lived in middle class neighborhoods. They used to be MOSTLY white. I think I have ALWAYS had people of different races in my school classes. Heck, I remember meeting a kid in the second grade that was from INDIA. I HAVE had friends in depressed areas, and visited them there. Of course, I have had friends in upscale areas that I have visited. As for Employment? I don't think I have EVER been in an all white company that had over about 3 employees. Meetings of those in my area, at my current client, have had about 30 people. Over 20 were INDIAN. Of the FEW whites, one is russian, one irish(citizen), and then there is just me and one other. My "boss" is indian. HIS boss is indian. His boss is black. his boss is white. his boss is indian. BTW it is an international company that is based in germany.

      How about YOU?

      Steve
      I did not ask for all that info but thanks anyway.

      The only reason I asked was that I somehow got the impression from your last post in this thread, that maybe you were not one.

      Me???

      I'm born and raised here etc.

      I'm sure my family members have been here since the very early 1800's.

      I'm as black as the heart of Satan. ( African )

      ( I've heard Irish-Americans say that about black people - in a movie )

      Actually my skin color is golden-brownish.

      All The Best!!!

      TL


      Ps. As far as I'm concerned, I'm through with this thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        I'm sure my family members have been here since the very early 1800's.

        I'm as black as the heart of Satan. ( African )

        ( I've heard Irish-Americans say that about black people - in a movie )

        Actually my skin color is golden-brownish.

        All The Best!!!
        Well, I know you said you were through with this thread, but....

        I'm sure most of my family has been here since the 1800s also. Half my family is Irish, and I have known a LOT of other irish, and NONE have used that saying.

        Oh yeah, my mothers entire family is DEMOCRAT, some were even ELECTED democrat! My mother used to be democrat. Oh, and they would say they were irish, if you asked them where their family was from.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Ps. As far as I'm concerned, I'm through with this thread.
        You say that in about your every third post in this thread...
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

          You say that in about your every third post in this thread...

          Every time I try to get out, they bring me back in!


          TL


          Ps. I'm going to put this line in the favorite movie line thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, I'm certainly going to try to avoid furthering political discussion here I just wanted to say that a LOT of things said against the irish certainly aren't true. They are no more true than things said against the blacks 60 years ago.

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, I'm certainly going to try to avoid furthering political discussion here I just wanted to say that a LOT of things said against the irish certainly aren't true. They are no more true than things said against the blacks 60 years ago.

      Steve
      Agreed.

      Every group has their so-called stereotypes - true and untrue.


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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Just as I thought. A bunch of old white guys arguing about who has the most integrated (i.e. politically correct) vision of race, and who needs to be shut up and who will be allowed to talk.

    So what if you don't like what Limbaugh or anyone else has to say - if he is or isn't a bigot, then like him or don't like him. Shut people up and you don't change their views of others, they just hate with stealth -- and you set precedence for anything YOU think to be reason for someone to shut you up, too.

    Let him talk -- he's just one of you guys....opinionated old white farts. Wanna big surprise.........it's the same conversation you hear when you get into a room and listen to a bunch of opinionated old black farts.

    And ya know something..........all this damned talk about bigotry just goes to show that none of us are over it yet.....it wouldn't be a darned issue if we were, eh? If someone said something bigoted we'd just say, "wow, you're a jerk" and move on instead of seeing the whole damned country implode over it.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Just as I thought. A bunch of old white guys arguing about who has the most integrated (i.e. politically correct) vision of race, and who needs to be shut up and who will be allowed to talk.

      So what if you don't like what Limbaugh or anyone else has to say - if he is or isn't a bigot, then like him or don't like him. Shut people up and you don't change their views of others, they just hate with stealth -- and you set precedence for anything YOU think to be reason for someone to shut you up, too.

      Let him talk -- he's just one of you guys....opinionated old white farts. Wanna big surprise.........it's the same conversation you hear when you get into a room and listen to a bunch of opinionated old black farts.

      And ya know something..........all this damned talk about bigotry just goes to show that none of us are over it yet.....it wouldn't be a darned issue if we were, eh? If someone said something bigoted we'd just say, "wow, you're a jerk" and move on instead of seeing the whole damned country implode over it.
      Well, you said "A bunch of old white guys arguing about who has the most integrated (i.e. politically correct) vision of race, and who needs to be shut up and who will be allowed to talk. ".

      First of all, not all talking were white, and some would even SAY I am not old! And I ****WISH**** "politically correct" meant things like an "integrated vision of race". That is, treating skin color and general racial characteristics the same way that most people treat eye color. Frankly, I don't consider ANYTHING correct about "political correctness" . I will leave it at that though.

      Happily, the world won't end if even the biggest racist, black or white, bought the NFL. FRANKLY, I think it would be a STUPID move, but I wouldn't cry over it. And the players would probably just quit and start a NEW league! So, hopefully, it is just a number of people that hate the mythical image of rush they have developed, and want to see him fall flat on his face, and that is as far as it goes. And hopefully nobody has built that myth up SO much, that they would like to see him dead.

      Other than that, though I didn't like your word choices, etc... I agree with you.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    Great, now I feel old.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Well, I know she wasn't talking about me.

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      Great, now I feel old.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Well, I know she wasn't talking about me.
        WHY? Are you FIVE!?!?!? I mean even some LITTLE KIDS are considered OLD by some younger than they are! 8D
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Well, I know she wasn't talking about me.
        I do tend to look older than I am. Damn hairloss. I think it's time for hair club. I'll never forget, last year I actually had someone at the store ask me and my daughter (who's actually my fiance!!) to try something. LOL... Ahh, if I don't laugh, I'll start crying.
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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

          I do tend to look older than I am. Damn hairloss. I think it's time for hair club. I'll never forget, last year I actually had someone at the store ask me and my daughter (who's actually my fiance!!) to try something. LOL... Ahh, if I don't laugh, I'll start crying.
          Ouch - lol. They were obviously trying to sell to your daughter (fiance).
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          haha. You might want to just try the bald look. :-0

          Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

          I do tend to look older than I am. Damn hairloss. I think it's time for hair club. I'll never forget, last year I actually had someone at the store ask me and my daughter (who's actually my fiance!!) to try something. LOL... Ahh, if I don't laugh, I'll start crying.
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