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Just the thing to keep your family warm, (without any lead shielding).



I am sure that it would have worked and them some.



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After all experts said cocaine was ok, so...

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  • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


    After all experts said cocaine was ok, so...

    No. These weren't experts at all. They were advertising copywriters. At the time, nobody knew the effects of cocaine (except the immediate effects)...or radium...or a ton of other things. There were no experts on radiation back then. There are now. And that's why you don't see ads for nonsense like this anymore....

    Except magnetic belts, charms, homeopathy, crystals, astrology, dousing, and other new age nonsense.....holdovers from when we didn't know any better. Superstitions that die slowly.
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      No. These weren't experts at all. They were advertising copywriters. At the time, nobody knew the effects of cocaine (except the immediate effects)...or radium...or a ton of other things. There were no experts on radiation back then. There are now. And that's why you don't see ads for nonsense like this anymore....

      Except magnetic belts, charms, homeopathy, crystals, astrology, dousing, and other new age nonsense.....holdovers from when we didn't know any better. Superstitions that die slowly.

      The inventor of Coca-Cola used cocaine as a substitute for his morphine addiction so he clearly understood he had a drug addiction and the effects it would have on other people (repeat sales).

      Local prohibition was the reason for creating the product as a drink.
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Except magnetic belts, charms, homeopathy, crystals, astrology, dousing, and other new age nonsense.....holdovers from when we didn't know any better. Superstitions that die slowly.
      Don't forget copper socks. How has mankind survived this long without copper socks?
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      • Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Don't forget copper socks. How has mankind survived this long without copper socks?
        A friend of mine made a fortune selling air purifiers that looked like a small wood box with a cord and dial attached.

        They created a small amount of Ozone and created Ions in the air. They really did get rid of odors. But...

        I was at an "opportunity meeting' where dozens of people were claiming these air purifiers cured everything from cancer to glaucoma. My friend said (it was his meeting) that 75% of the people that owned one claimed fantastic results. And only 5% asked for a refund (the refund claim was actually about 25%)

        After the meeting, I was talking to my friend and told him if he simply sold a wood box that had a plug and switch...attached to nothing...that 50% of the people that bought it would claim a miracle cure, and only 10% would return it....

        Not because the product was bad, but because his claims were so outlandish, and his customer's claims were so outlandish, that the kind of people that believed them..already live in a world of unsupported claims and magic cures.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          live in a world of unsupported claims and magic cures.
          And some people believe that a chemical originally found in jellyfish, improves brain function. My question would be, what brain?

          There is no limit to the bullshit that people will believe. Do a Google search for "Lourdes water." Poland Spring, repackaged at exorbitant markups - claiming to cure everything under the sun. It makes it hard for one to justify maintaining their ethics and not just cashing in.

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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      No. These weren't experts at all. They were advertising copywriters. At the time, nobody knew the effects of cocaine (except the immediate effects)...or radium...or a ton of other things. There were no experts on radiation back then. There are now. And that's why you don't see ads for nonsense like this anymore....

      Except magnetic belts, charms, homeopathy, crystals, astrology, dousing, and other new age nonsense.....holdovers from when we didn't know any better. Superstitions that die slowly.
      well there are always the legal pharmaceuticals they advertise to help with one thing.. that a company or advertizer can create a condition for .. that it supposedly treats ..

      they at least have to give mention to the long list of possible bad side effect .. If sudden death occurs please stop taking this product right away and call your doctor ..



      think how the future in 20 or 30 years will look at modern pharmaceutical adds ..or at that point after we shift from the long term illness treatment model we have to actually curing people ..
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        to actually curing people ..
        This is America. There is very little money to be made by actually curing people, unless it's a long, slow and expensive cure.

        My sister was just cured of Hep C. The treatment was one pill per day for 60 days. Price per pill? $1000.

        The treatment regimen was actually supposed to be for 90 days, but the insurance company cut her off at 60 days. Fortunately, it was long enough.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          This is America. There is very little money to be made by actually curing people, unless it's a long, slow and expensive cure.

          My sister was just cured of Hep C. The treatment was one pill per day for 60 days. Price per pill? $1000.

          The treatment regimen was actually supposed to be for 90 days, but the insurance company cut her off at 60 days. Fortunately, it was long enough.

          the cost shifting involved in the medical system ..that shifts the cost of people who can't and don't pay onto the people who can ..is not going to last much longer ..

          and a saline iv bags cost the hospital 7 dollars..but hospital charge anywhere from 300-550 dollars per bag..and from 50-150 for the few minutes it take the nurse to administer it ..

          the same way social security will brake when there are more people retired than work.. the medical system will break when you have more people with chronic illnesses one expensive treatment..than healthy people paying in and not getting any services .
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            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            the cost shifting involved in the medical system ..that shifts the cost of people who can't and don't pay onto the people who can ..is not going to last much longer ..

            and a saline iv bags cost the hospital 7 dollars..but hospital charge anywhere from 300-550 dollars per bag..and from 50-150 for the few minutes it take the nurse to administer it ..

            the same way social security will brake when there are more people retired than work.. the medical system will break when you have more people with chronic illnesses one expensive treatment..than healthy people paying in and not getting any services .


            I went to an ER once with a really bad sore throat on a weekend night. It cost me $1,000 for 3 tongue depressors and 2 hours waiting.

            Fargin eyesholes. They got me good on that one.

            I doubt the cost will ever go down because nobody with any authority to make changes for the better cares about the scam.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              I went to an ER once with a really bad sore throat on a weekend night. It cost me $1,000 for 3 tongue depressors and 2 hours waiting.

              Fargin eyesholes. They got me good on that one.

              I doubt the cost will ever go down because nobody with any authority to make changes for the better cares about the scam.
              the last bad anxiety attack i had 5 years ago that forced me to go to the hospital instead of trying to ride it out until i may have tried to kill myself .. now just a huge amount of vodka ..and i'm calm ..

              i was in the hospital 5 hours or 6 .. and didn't have insurance .. they gave me a few blood test and one .. adderall .. and sent me home ..

              and billed me for like 4,000 dollars ..which i never paid ..

              anyway .. there is a reason.. i put 20-30 years as the timeline .. when the rest of the world has as good or better medical car available for a fraction what we in the states pay .. and medical tourism becomes a thing .. cost will fall fast
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            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            No politics in the forum, please!
            Don't make me block you.
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Don't make me block you.
              Funny. You know you can't live without my bon mots. Look it up!
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                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                Funny. You know you can't live without my bon mots. Look it up!
                I googled it.
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      No. These weren't experts at all. They were advertising copywriters. At the time, nobody knew the effects of cocaine (except the immediate effects)...or radium...or a ton of other things. There were no experts on radiation back then. There are now. And that's why you don't see ads for nonsense like this anymore....

      Except magnetic belts, charms, homeopathy, crystals, astrology, dousing, and other new age nonsense.....holdovers from when we didn't know any better. Superstitions that die slowly.
      Comments like these are only going to reduce your standing as official forum psychic
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      At the time, nobody knew the effects of cocaine
      Cocaine does have medicinal value. It can be used as a local anaesthetic.

      Please note though, that there's a huge difference between the medicinal version and the "street" version. Just like cannabis, much of the bad publicity they get is due to the effects of people taking the street versions rather than the medicinal versions.

      Disclosure: I once tried cocaine (street version) back in the 80s. It didn't give me any type of buzz or high, it just kept me awake all night. A very expensive alternative to a No-Doze tablet. That's why I've only ever done it once.
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Disclosure: I once tried cocaine (street version) back in the 80s. It didn't give me any type of buzz or high, it just kept me awake all night. A very expensive alternative to a No-Doze tablet. That's why I've only ever done it once.


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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Disclosure: I once tried cocaine (street version) back in the 80s. It didn't give me any type of buzz or high, it just kept me awake all night. A very expensive alternative to a No-Doze tablet. That's why I've only ever done it once.
        You need a new drug dealer. One that doesn't cut his product.
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      • Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post


        Disclosure: I once tried cocaine (street version) back in the 80s. .

        I'm turning you in.

        I've been offered cocaine a few times. I refused because I thought "What if I like it...a lot?"
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I've been offered cookies a few times. I ate them because I thought "What if I like it...a lot?"


          Fixed it...
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I'm turning you in.

          I've been offered cocaine a few times. I refused because I thought "What if I like it...a lot?"
          I hear their is a type of Cocaine that can be ingested thru the butt..called Crack Cocaine
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    You'd be shocked the things that were advertised back in the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    No. These weren't experts at all. They were advertising copywriters. At the time, nobody knew the effects of cocaine (except the immediate effects)...or radium...or a ton of other things. There were no experts on radiation back then. There are now. And that's why you don't see ads for nonsense like this anymore....

    Except magnetic belts, charms, homeopathy, crystals, astrology, dousing, and other new age nonsense.....holdovers from when we didn't know any better. Superstitions that die slowly.
    That's what l thought you said.

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    Don't forget copper socks. How has mankind survived this long without copper socks?

    I am sure that DDT is safe, and yep the tribespeople with zero Diplomas are the smart ones...


    Can't argue with the concentrated death remark.

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    That coke-tooth deal is amazing. As was noted; folks had no idea back then. Kinda like seeing doctors smoking in the office while seeing patients. Laughable now.
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    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    No. These weren't experts at all. They were advertising copywriters. At the time, nobody knew the effects of cocaine (except the immediate effects)...or radium...or a ton of other things. There were no experts on radiation back then. There are now. And that's why you don't see ads for nonsense like this anymore....

    Except magnetic belts, charms, homeopathy, crystals, astrology, dousing, and other new age nonsense.....holdovers from when we didn't know any better. Superstitions that die slowly.
    So if anyone reading this believes in anything above or anything associated with New Age then they are either delusional, naive or stupid, according to you?

    And this is from someone who likely has done little to no research in the above subjects, and zero experience in New Age in general.

    I have extensive experience in new age, (not so much in charms or homeopathy) and know as a fact, (or to use your line, an 100% sure) that New Age in general is legit!

    You really need to get off of this, New Age is BS, mentality, as you cannot be 100% sure, and without actually trying it out one or more times, to overcome your predicates, only come across as stubborn.

    Certainly when l bring up me and someone else after a new age type course sitting down and seeing a ghost in minute detail at the same time, with each of us describing this entity to each other, at the same time, you do a runner.

    You cannot have two delusional people at the same time discussing something in minute detail, (the hat, clothing, what he was doing,etc) that is an illusion, virtually impossible.

    As l said there is something to all of this, and your continued stubbornness in avoiding the above example, and making negative mass generalizations about New Age, here and elsewhere only reinforces other individuals with open minds opinions.

    Thankyou!
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      You cannot have two delusional people at the same time
      Seriously? Did you miss the outcome of the 2016 election?

      Psychology - not politics. lol
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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Psychology - not politics. lol





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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

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    • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      So if anyone reading this believes in anything above or anything associated with New Age then they are either delusional, naive or stupid, according to you?
      There may a New Age belief that I'm just not familiar with, so I suppose it's possible that something is really true..and considered a New Age belief at the same time.

      I just went through Wikipedia's list of maybe 75 new age topics. A few I'm not familiar with, so I can't speak to all of them.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Age_topics

      But...Yes. Delusional, naive, or stupid about covers most of it.

      Added a few minutes later;

      Maybe "stupid" is unfair. (I was repeating what you said). But to follow most of the New Age stuff we tend to talk about on these forums requires a staggering lack of knowledge of basic science. Just pick a topic from the list and look it up on Wikipedia. Then read about how the belief was debunked and replaced with better information.

      If these new age beliefs were really true, they would just be called science or medicine or physics. They wouldn't need a different category. They wouldn't be called Paranormal...they would just be Normal.
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    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

    Seriously? Did you miss the outcome of the 2016 election?

    Psychology - not politics. lol

    Your Fired!!!!



    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    There may a New Age belief that I'm just not familiar with, so I suppose it's possible that something is really true..and considered a New Age belief at the same time.

    I just went through Wikipedia's list of maybe 75 new age topics. A few I'm not familiar with, so I can't speak to all of them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Age_topics

    But...Yes. Delusional, naive, or stupid about covers most of it.

    Added a few minutes later;

    Maybe "stupid" is unfair. (I was repeating what you said). But to follow most of the New Age stuff we tend to talk about on these forums requires a staggering lack of knowledge of basic science. Just pick a topic from the list and look it up on Wikipedia. Then read about how the belief was debunked and replaced with better information.

    If these new age beliefs were really true, they would just be called science or medicine or physics. They wouldn't need a different category. They wouldn't be called Paranormal...they would just be Normal.

    Wikepedia !!!!!


    I got blasted in the past for using that dodgy source for evidence.


    Basic science, lol, we still don't know what gravity is, or a ton of other things, (including ourselves) so yeah, l would agree that basic science is basic.


    Einstein came up with a unified field theory, but buried it in 1927 for fear of what it could do, and l don't need to go into the German scientists stalling atomic bomb research in the 40's.


    We live in a world that has a strong military base, so some new discoveries Will be buried, and other fields of science, hindered for the same fear.


    As for New Age type cures, mainstream science won't touch that, not because it doesn't work but because there is no big bucks in it.


    I am sure some don't and very sure that some or most do.


    Ghosts bury that since it may upset or unsettle mainstream,...well, l can't mention it here.


    Remote Viewing, the military used that for up to 10 years, for obvious reasons, but well the military used that, and all they know what to do is keep a secret and take orders.


    But the military aren't that bright so, that explains that one, but Generals are since their necks are on the line, 10 years,.....as l said there is something to all of this.


    String Theory needs 10 dimensions in order to work, some of those dimensions may show time in a different way to our one, and if some have access to that one, then it opens the door to prediction.


    Which opens the door to readings being legit, etc, etc, etc.


    Paranormal is swept under the carpet, as well as equations related to concepts that could be militarized as well as cures that don't require half a million a year insane price tags, to make money, keep control, and create widespread apathy.


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    • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Your Fired!!!!






      Wikepedia !!!!!


      I got blasted in the past for using that dodgy source for evidence.


      :
      Shane; Wikipedia is written, edited, and monitored by experts. Sure, maybe the first thing written is from a nut ball, but this gets edited out quickly. I've found that they are a reliable source of information. And because they get edited regularly, the information is up to date.


      Of course, you could just read books on science. Textbooks are good.
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        • Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          unles you are planning to take up arguing with people who believe in the new age conspiracy stuff shane believes .. to shut them down and get them to walk away as fast as possible..
          If you look at the ads that Shane originally posted, you'll see the "New age" remedies of their day. And if you look today at new age remedies, most of them are holdovers from decades (or a century) ago, and they just never lost their core audience.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            If you look at the ads that Shane originally posted, you'll see the "New age" remedies of their day. And if you look today at new age remedies, most of them are holdovers from decades (or a century) ago, and they just never lost their core audience.
            If that new age stuff hasn't lost its core audience after a century, there may be something to it...
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            • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              If that new age stuff hasn't lost its core audience after a century, there may be something to it...

              Old wives tales last for centuries, as do superstitions. That doesn't mean there is something to them....except a loyal core audience. Nonsensical beliefs last so long because people believe them until they die. And they pass these beliefs on....because they know no different. When was the last time anyone you know cracked a science book?

              The frustrating thing to me is that these claims can be tested in a few minutes by looking them up on Wikipedia, or by going to one of many real science websites. Or Webmd. These new age cures are almost all entirely debunked, and replaced with the real answers, the real science.

              And it takes so little effort to get the current....present day... information.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Old wives tales last for centuries, as do superstitions. That doesn't mean there is something to them....except a loyal core audience. Nonsensical beliefs last so long because people believe them until they die. When was the last time anyone you know cracked a science book?

                The frustrating thing to me is that these claims can be tested in a few minutes by looking them up on Wikipedia, or by going to one of many real science websites. Or Webmd. These new age cures are almost all entirely debunked, and replaced with the real answers, the real science.

                And it takes so little effort to get the current....present day... information.
                That zoom you just heard was a joke flying over your head...if a "core audience" is still alive after 100 years...It isn't the superstition that still alive, but the "audience". Get it now that I explained it?


                BTW, I have a couple of friends that regularly read science books.
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              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              If that new age stuff hasn't lost its core audience after a century, there may be something to it...
              Your right, people who follow New Age beliefs live to be over 100
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              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              If that new age stuff hasn't lost its core audience after a century, there may be something to it...
              Or maybe it should change its name to Old Age.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            If you look at the ads that Shane originally posted, you'll see the "New age" remedies of their day. And if you look today at new age remedies, most of them are holdovers from decades (or a century) ago, and they just never lost their core audience.

            They're vampires?
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            If you look at the ads that Shane originally posted, you'll see the "New age" remedies of their day. And if you look today at new age remedies, most of them are holdovers from decades (or a century) ago, and they just never lost their core audience.
            well the problem with his add selection was the coca cola one from 1906.. when cocaine was taken out of the the formula about 1903 ..because jim crow type though cocain use led blacks to become murderous

            and a few decades later marijuana was targeted..because latino immigrants smoked it so the idea at the time put forth by experts in government.. and from medical field was this thing called reefer madness ..and the medical establishment went along ..

            so even science with the main fact it is done by humans who have bias can be used to shovel bullshit onto the public .. lets move forward to the food pyramid..which is the government choosing to tell you what to eat based on the crops it subsidize ..so the government is heavily subsidising corn wheat and soy.. and you should eat many servings a day ..

            I am not anti science but even science can be biased based one who is funding the study ...and how badly the scientist want to work again..
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              I am not anti science but even science can be biased based one who is funding the study ...and how badly the scientist want to work again..
              True, but if you research what is put forth as scientific fact, even when it's not, you can generally ferret-out the truth.

              When you research total bullshit, no matter how much research you do, in the end you discover that it truly is nothing more than bullshit.

              BTW - corn, wheat and soy are among some of the worst foods you can consume, except in extremely small quantities. Doesn't everyone know that in 2018?
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                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                True, but if you research what is put forth as scientific fact, even when it's not, you can generally ferret-out the truth.

                When you research total bullshit, no matter how much research you do, in the end you discover that it truly is nothing more than bullshit.

                BTW - corn, wheat and soy are among some of the worst foods you can consume, except in extremely small quantities. Doesn't everyone know that in 2018?
                well asians grew and learned to properly proces soy so it was healthy or part of a healthy diet.. and native american and latina native american cultures ground it down to a powder and added certain other elemts to make it better digestible and healthy to eat

                but we feet corn and soy to farm animals and does them with antibiotics .. to fatten them up faster . so what happens to human beings when you put them on a diet of mainly corn and soy and pharmaceuticals .. and technically the meat raised on corn and soy .. is a derivative of corn .. even if they are paleo and eating factory farmed meat .. they are still mainly eating corn and soy ..

                is it rude to observe and point out..that if you eat like a farm animal you end up fattened up like a farm animal ..
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                • Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


                  is it rude to observe and point out..that if you eat like a farm animal you end up fattened up like a farm animal ..
                  Believe me, nobody knows that better than me.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Believe me, nobody knows that better than me.
                    In a moment of inexplicable weakness I decided to pass on stating that about you.

                    This is how I'm rewarded. Never, again!!!
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                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  is it rude to observe and point out..that if you eat like a farm animal you end up fattened up like a farm animal ..
                  Not at all. If someone considers stating a fact as being rude, they are simply a member in good standing of the snowflake brigade. Screw-em'

                  That said. the benefits of soy are being reevaluated and it's not as good for you as consistently touted for many decades, if not centuries. Of course, old traditions die hard and that's to be expected. Not to say it's not better than the alternatives, but that fact alone doesn't make it 'good.' Just, better.
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Not at all. If someone considers stating a fact as being rude, they are simply a member in good standing of the snowflake brigade. Screw-em'

                    That said. the benefits of soy are being reevaluated and it's not as good for you as consistently touted for many decades, if not centuries. Of course, old traditions die hard and that's to be expected. Not to say it's not better than the alternatives, but that fact alone doesn't make it 'good.' Just, better.
                    the problem lies in trying to isolate one element of a persons diet and look at that as healthy or unhealthy..and not look at how it works in the context of then entire diet ..

                    westerners grew grain mostly to brew beer because it was safer to drink beer than water.. without modern understand of bacteria and water purification..

                    the orthodox kosher diet if you look at it as a whole looks like it was developed by someone who had a good grasp of bacteria and food safety ..

                    fruit is heathy as ppart of a diet. because in nature the sugr in food means you are eating something loaded with itamins and mineral.. when you take the sugar out and make nutritional void food sweet.. you truck that system ..and look what happens ..

                    eat stuff that is sweet that is naturally sweet and eat stuff that has natural fats in it ..
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                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      eat stuff that is sweet that is naturally sweet and eat stuff that has natural fats in it ..
                      I'm a Type 2 diabetic for over 10 years. I agree with this. I'm living on salads and fruit, these days.

                      Last night's dinner. Fresh tomato and scallion salad over baby greens with anchovies and grated parmesan. On rare occasions I'll include some ciabatta garlic bread to go along with that. A side of cold asparagus with toasted garlic and olive oil.



                      Going out tonight with one of the two clients that I kept after I retired. We became good friends over the years and we go out once a month for dinner. I have visions of that rare ribeye dancing in my head. Salad, baked potato and steamed asparagus. No appetizers and no dessert - but I'll be sneaking in a couple ice cold Stella Artois.

                      I'll wake-up tomorrow with a blood-sugar reading at around 110. I've got this thing down to a science. Long live insulin!!!
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                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        I'm a Type 2 diabetic for over 10 years. I agree with this. I'm living on salads and fruit, these days.

                        Last night's dinner. Fresh tomato and scallion salad over baby greens with anchovies and grated parmesan. On rare occasions I'll include some ciabatta garlic bread to go along with that. A side of cold asparagus with toasted garlic and olive oil.



                        Going out tonight with one of the two clients that I kept after I retired. We became good friends over the years and we go out once a month for dinner. I have visions of that rare ribeye dancing in my head. Salad, baked potato and steamed asparagus. No appetizers and no dessert - but I'll be sneaking in a couple ice cold Stella Artois.

                        I'll wake-up tomorrow with a blood-sugar reading at around 110. I've got this thing down to a science. Long live insulin!!!
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                        That look really tasty and if the asparagus is fresh ..

                        one of the things i repeat here .. is that it is up to individuals to put the research and advancements being made today .. to use in improving their own lives ..

                        as wealthier people demand healthier food that taste good.. more people produce it and the price comes down .. so it actually becomes cheaper to eat healthier after a time than eat the fatty fast food .. but it take knowledge of how to prepare and shop and purchase ..which is available easily with searches on Youtube .. if one cares enough .

                        Right now i am living in the dessert .. pursuing my path of higher enlightenment .. at this point i'll be good with enlightenment of any level .. haha .

                        someone who is iting a terrible diet .. with poor sleep habits .. and living a highly stressed daily life .. (me 2 years ago and prior ) .. has to change all three of those .. you can have a the crappy diet .. but if you get more stable sleep habits and cut stress.. the food you eat will digest better .. then working on eating better food is key ..

                        its interesting looking at the research about how stress or high levels of stress .. and poor sleep habits affect weight gain and digestion of food .. and overall health ..

                        so add the standard american diet, to the standard american stress level ..and sleep deprivation .. then commute time ...
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                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

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                          That look really tasty and if the asparagus is fresh ..
                          It's June in New Jersey. What's normally $3.99 a pound is 99¢. As fresh as it can be. :-)

                          Dinner at the Longhorn sucked. I'm done. I'm making a big pot of vegetable soup, tomorrow. I never met a vegetable I didn't like. OK. I lied. Okra is unfit for human consumption. Yeah, I know - I've never had it prepared properly. Yes. I have. lol

                          Rutabaga and rhubarb don't move me, either, but I'll eat them, if you put a gun to my head.
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                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            It's June in New Jersey. What's normally $3.99 a pound is 99¢. As fresh as it can be. :-)

                            Dinner at the Longhorn sucked. I'm done. I'm making a big pot of vegetable soup, tomorrow. I never met a vegetable I didn't like. OK. I lied. Okra is unfit for human consumption. Yeah, I know - I've never had it prepared properly. Yes. I have. lol

                            Rutabaga and rhubarb don't move me, either, but I'll eat them, if you put a gun to my head.
                            Eating rhubarb, I have found great for causing movements
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                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            It's June in New Jersey. What's normally $3.99 a pound is 99¢. As fresh as it can be. :-)

                            Dinner at the Longhorn sucked. I'm done. I'm making a big pot of vegetable soup, tomorrow. I never met a vegetable I didn't like. OK. I lied. Okra is unfit for human consumption. Yeah, I know - I've never had it prepared properly. Yes. I have. lol

                            Rutabaga and rhubarb don't move me, either, but I'll eat them, if you put a gun to my head.
                            Hmmm,......

                            But anyway Frank, thought that you might be interested in this...

                            And this is mainstream science reporting this, not others, who have been claiming for years that diet, can have positive benefits.

                            https://www.thehindubusinessline.com...cle9805904.ece

                            I would discuss this with your doctor, or back him in a corner whichever comes first.

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                              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                              And this is mainstream science reporting this, not others, who have been claiming for years that diet, can have positive benefits.
                              Diabetes is easily reversed by getting to your target weight, adding some daily, moderate exercise to your life and by eating intelligently.

                              There are millions of people who can attest to this. The problem lies in the fact that many millions more won't even take the first step.

                              Diabetes is a life-style disease. Plain and simple. Do you know any skinny people with Type 2 diabetes? Do you know any obese people that don't have it, unless they have never been tested and are not aware? There are millions of those, too.

                              Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        I'm a Type 2 diabetic for over 10 years. I agree with this. I'm living on salads and fruit, these days.

                        Last night's dinner. Fresh tomato and scallion salad over baby greens with anchovies and grated parmesan. On rare occasions I'll include some ciabatta garlic bread to go along with that. A side of cold asparagus with toasted garlic and olive oil.



                        Going out tonight with one of the two clients that I kept after I retired. We became good friends over the years and we go out once a month for dinner. I have visions of that rare ribeye dancing in my head. Salad, baked potato and steamed asparagus. No appetizers and no dessert - but I'll be sneaking in a couple ice cold Stella Artois.

                        I'll wake-up tomorrow with a blood-sugar reading at around 110. I've got this thing down to a science. Long live insulin!!!



                        Salads are for vegan women?
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                          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                          Salads are for vegan women?

                          What!!! Do you mean that all vegan women are Cow haters, and tend to hug their problems, (they hug an alligator before...) away, and ummm, hate dogs, and are contributing to Global Warming.

                          I am in shock!
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                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                TWhen you research total bullshit, no matter how much research you do, in the end you discover that it truly is nothing more than bullshit.
                Bull shit, beliefs sytems , bad science , blue sky (thinking )

                all BS

                here is the thing .. if there is a current lack of the science or the ability of science to measure and proves something ..and one must believe some bullshit .. is the bullshit .. obviously detrimental in the long term or neutral ..or beneficial in the long term ..

                so meditation used to be some new age woo woo bs .. now there are a bunch of claims that are definitely worthless.. but there is a growing number of studies showing the positive effect and medical research ..where you hook sensors to people brain or scan people brains ..

                placisibo are the bane of many drug studies ..because for some reason taking something even a gelatin pill or what ever inert substance the medication is made up from causes as much or more benefit that the medicine.. and doing nothing ..

                now does it work the other way.. does telling people things are bad for them.. increase the likelihood they will have a negative effect .. and how about .. this other crap belief fed to people..that that if it tastes bad it is probably healthy and if it taste good..it unhealthy ..

                We know now .. that human beings do not deside based off of just facts in most if not all cases .. and filter the facts based of their beliefs systems .and if you try to attack someones belief systems.. to get them to accept your facts .. they will attack your facts ..

                so it is up to you to decide weather you can present the facts withing a person belief system so they can accept.. or weather it is a waste of time
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                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  so it is up to you to decide weather you can present the facts withing a person belief system so they can accept.. or weather it is a waste of time
                  Hmmm..... your post seems to draw a conclusion that I might set out to change someones's mind on any topic by finding the proper way to present the facts to them so they can evaluate them in a non-confrontational manner.

                  Nothing could be further from the reality of how I approach this subject. I am willing to make one informed attempt to present them with enough facts that should at least encourage someone to do a little more digging on their own just through intellectual curiosity.

                  If that attempt fails, I am cool with that. All that does is continue to increase the number of ill-informed douchebags that I get to feel massively superior to as I continue the never-ending slog.

                  I can't lose, either way. My cup runneth over!
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            • Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


              I am not anti science but even science can be biased based one who is funding the study ...and how badly the scientist want to work again..
              Science cannot be biased...and still be science. What these people were doing wasn't science. The good news is that very few scientists are willing to go along with these agendas. So industries tend to hire the same scientists over and over again to pretend that they are doing a study.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Science cannot be biased...and still be science. What these people were doing wasn't science. The good news is that very few scientists are willing to go along with these agendas. So industries tend to hire the same scientists over and over again to pretend that they are doing a study.
                science at this point in time is done by humans..who may be above the normal curve in intelect ..but still prone to working from their human bias ..

                the only difference is that to be science it ..has to be repeatable under the same conditions.. as albert einstein was refering to.. you can't do the same thing over and over and get a different result ..yes he was talking about science in the lab .

                but as you get better more advanced technology..you can mesure different things and get different results..

                but scientist will always be human and have their biases .. and only a few will change their views based of the findings ..
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                • Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


                  but scientist will always be human and have their biases .. and only a few will change their views based of the findings ..
                  I haven't found that to be true.

                  Science is the process of finding reality. Even being proven wrong is good science because now you know what's real...or at least you have a better answer.

                  And science has nothing to do with views. Meaning that expressing a view isn't science at all.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Meaning that expressing a view isn't science at all.
                    Hmmmm. . . . Now I'm confused. I have heard so many people state what an ass-clown you are that I was under the assumption that it had to be a scientific fact.

                    What am I missing. here?
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                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  but scientist will always be human and have their biases .. and only a few will change their views based of the findings ..
                  If the findings prove to support a theory and they won't change their views, then they're not really scientists.
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                  • Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    If the findings prove to support a theory and they won't change their views, then they're not really scientists.
                    I was listening to an interview with an astronomer at SETI. The interviewer asked how it felt to fail in finding signs of life in space.

                    The scientist said something like "We haven't failed. We have identified hundreds of planets that show no signs of civilization. It's painstaking plodding work. Finding no life is also a result. "

                    To me, that was the spirit of real science.
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                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      I was listening to an interview with an astronomer at SETI. The interviewer asked how it felt to fail in finding signs of life in space.

                      The scientist said something like "We haven't failed. We have identified hundreds of planets that show no signs of civilization. It's painstaking plodding work. Finding no life is also a result. "

                      To me, that was the spirit of real science.
                      I follow research on longevity and nutrition science .. and one of the things i am focusing on is the newer field of research in gut flora or digestive bacteria .. it's effect on health and weight ..

                      Pseudoscience and outside vitamine invasive cleansing product have been pushing the importance of the digestive system for at least 20 years .. but where no autopsy has ever found the large amount of crap supposedly sitting in unhealthy digestive systems .. real science ignored it and just pointed people at just eating better ..

                      so i am hoping the science and research figure out how people can better fix their digestive system.. without needed these horrid cleansing regimes that get followed by expensive vitamin supplement programs
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                        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                        so i am hoping the science and research figure out how people can better fix their digestive system.. without needed these horrid cleansing regimes that get followed by expensive vitamin supplement programs
                        There's a great deal of research in on this, already and it's not very complicated to set-up an easy to follow and not too expensive personal regimen to address this issue.

                        The latest ridiculous claim being touted to aid in this area is the ingestion of activated carbon or charcoal, when in reality it has the exact opposite effect from what people believe.

                        Unless you have ingested an actual poison, this is not something you should even think of doing. Detox cleansing, especially coffee enemas are just more homeopathic bullshit that attracts a certain type of idiot.

                        Everyone knows that if you are going to do a bowel cleanse, Hire's Root Beer is the only way to go.
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                          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                          Everyone knows that if you are going to do a bowel cleans, Hire's Root Beer is the only way to go.
                          Chase it with some Taco Bell and it works twice as fast.
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                          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                          There's a great deal of research in on this, already and it's not very complicated to set-up an easy to follow and not too expensive personal regimen to address this issue.

                          The latest ridiculous claim being touted to aid in this area is the ingestion of activated carbon or charcoal, when in reality it has the exact opposite effect from what people believe.

                          Unless you have ingested an actual poison, this is not something you should even think of doing. Detox cleansing, especially coffee enemas are just more homeopathic bullshit that attracts a certain type of idiot.

                          Everyone knows that if you are going to do a bowel cleanse, Hire's Root Beer is the only way to go.
                          there is a secret weapon ..to reset the digestive system..called resistant starches ..everything some needs in something to do it right..is found in beans ..or fermented foods ..i read about activated carbon.. and was not to impressed ..when i feel i need extra cleansing boost.. braggs apple cider vinegar helps ..added to water thats had a lemmon soaking in it for a while ..

                          i tend to drink a lot of water anyway..living in a desert ..and sweat is one of the better methods of cleansing ..

                          the odd thing about cleansing.. is it is people who supposedly claim to have real healthy diets .. vegetarians or vegans and should need it the least who are the biggest into it ..and to go with yukons suggestion.. people less focused on health just eat taco bell on occasion when they want to ..hard cleanse ..
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                            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                            there is a secret weapon ..to reset the digestive system..called resistant starches ..everything some needs in something to do it right..is found in beans ..
                            Never met a bean I didn't love.

                            or fermented foods ..
                            Which I wouldn't eat with someone else's mouth.

                            braggs apple cider vinegar helps ..added to water thats had a lemmon soaking in it for a while ..

                            i tend to drink a lot of water anyway..living in a desert ..and sweat is one of the better methods of cleansing ..
                            Seriously??? lol

                            people less focused on health just eat taco bell on occasion when they want to ..hard cleanse ..
                            You mean people with a death wish.
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                              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                              Never met a bean I didn't love.



                              Which I wouldn't eat with someone else's mouth.



                              Seriously??? lol



                              You mean people with a death wish.
                              yeah .. a freind of mine was unhappy when he went in to a korean resteraun to see what hot Kim Chi was.. and they put this ugly salad looking stuff on his plate

                              it's only a death wish if you eat it before a long drive .. and the negative side effects cause you to press the gas harder to get to the closet rest stop ..that feels like it is getting furter away as you get closer and closer ..
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              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              well the problem with his add selection was the coca cola one from 1906.. when cocaine was taken out of the the formula about 1903 ..because jim crow type though cocain use led blacks to become murderous

              and a few decades later marijuana was targeted..because latino immigrants smoked it so the idea at the time put forth by experts in government.. and from medical field was this thing called reefer madness ..and the medical establishment went along ..

              so even science with the main fact it is done by humans who have bias can be used to shovel bullshit onto the public .. lets move forward to the food pyramid..which is the government choosing to tell you what to eat based on the crops it subsidize ..so the government is heavily subsidising corn wheat and soy.. and you should eat many servings a day ..

              I am not anti science but even science can be biased based one who is funding the study ...and how badly the scientist want to work again..
              Watch the Docu video below. (very entertainingly done) Years ago a scientist did a highly flawed study and concluded that cutting much of the fat out of your diet was good for your health, reduced cholesterol etc . The US and other governments adopted this philosophy and encouraged the world to go on low fat diets, they still promote this to this day, despite an 11 year study led by Mccarthy that found no evidence to support this.

              Bad clogging cholesterol is not caused by eating fatty meats, butter etc.It is caused by eating excessive carbohydrates, stress, lack of exercise etc.

              This is a sort of follow on to supersize me. A guy eats fast food but this time throws out all the fries and the buns and anything sugary. The conclusion, he loses weight and reduces his cholesterol. The Atkins diet was spot on. After watching this you will probably go out and eat a big juicy steak followed by real cream and strawberries, and have no fear of clogged arteries or heart disease.

              A case where alleged science got it completely wrong and we are still paying the price and eating more of that crap that Opted In talked about.

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                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                Watch the Docu video below. (very entertainingly done) Years ago a scientist did a highly flawed study and concluded that cutting much of the fat out of your diet was good for your health, reduced cholesterol etc . The US and other governments adopted this philosophy and encouraged the world to go on low fat diets, they still promote this to this day, despite an 11 year study led by Mccarthy that found no evidence to support this.

                Bad clogging cholesterol is not caused by eating fatty meats, butter etc.It is caused by eating excessive carbohydrates, stress, lack of exercise etc.

                This is a sort of follow on to supersize me. A guy eats fast food but this time throws out all the fries and the buns and anything sugary. The conclusion, he loses weight and reduces his cholesterol. The Atkins diet was spot on. After watching this you will probably go out and eat a big juicy steak followed by real cream and strawberries, and have no fear of clogged arteries or heart disease.

                A case where alleged science got it completely wrong and we are still paying the price and eating more of that crap that Opted In talked about.

                Fat Head - YouTube
                I went over over to the phillies for a few month nearly 4 years ago.. i was at my max weight of about 260 pounds.. ate mcdonalds ,pizza and other fast food or restaurant food most of the time .. but still managed to lose 20 or more pounds in a little over 2 months .. i was even able to drink soda because the soda had real sugar not corn syrup ..and at rice a couple times a day.. the portion size of the food is much different than in the usa ..

                and when i worked as a street performer in vegas last year.. i constantly heard from the foreign tourist about how crazy out portion sizes are in this country ..

                I think the biggest factor in the obesity epidemic ..comes from first using BMI as the key measure ..and the increase in use of prescription drugs that have a side effect of weight .. i was 180 pounds( which was about my heaviest up to then) or lowing 9 years ago when i started taking med for my bi polar disorder ..and . was up to 235 3 years later when i stopped taking them..but my metabolism got ruined by then ..

                I am down to about 200 now ..and i think 10 pound of that is extra skin ...

                so if you add the hydrogenated vegetable oil with enormous portion sizes ..with getting as many people medications as possible... you get how things are now
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    • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      As for New Age type cures, mainstream science won't touch that, not because it doesn't work but because there is no big bucks in it.
      No. Science doesn't touch it because...well.... it's science, ...not superstition. If the New Age cure actually worked, businesses would find out the active ingredient and sell it. In fact, that's where aspirin came from. If something works, it's repackaged and sold. Fortunes are made from things that work.

      .

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Remote Viewing, the military used that for up to 10 years, for obvious reasons, but well the military used that, and all they know what to do is keep a secret and take orders.
      Remote viewing was done because the US thought the USSR was doing it. So they thought the USSR must be on to something. They tested it for years with absolutely no evidence that it worked. They abandoned it for that reason.

      And generals have no more insight into science than anyone else. It's a rank, not a degree. Just as scientists aren't experts on the military.



      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Paranormal is swept under the carpet,


      Paranormal is swept under the carpet because it's nonsensical. It's an embarrassment to thinking people. It's like the slow nephew that eats his own boogers at Thanksgiving dinner. You just kind of pretend it isn't there...and you hope nobody brings it up.

      And like I said before, if it was real, it would just be "Normal" and accepted as part of our reality. That's what has always happened in the past.



      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      String Theory needs 10 dimensions in order to work, some of those dimensions may show time in a different way to our one, and if some have access to that one, then it opens the door to prediction.
      Shane; When quantum physicists talk about ten dimensions...that means ten directions of measurement...like the first 3 dimensions.....not ten levels of existence. Again, just look it up on Wikipedia, and it will be explained in full.

      It's very common for neophytes to think that astrophysicists mean "dimensions" in the same way science fiction writers ...and new age believers.... mean. But they don't.
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    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Shane; Wikipedia is written, edited, and monitored by experts. Sure, maybe the first thing written is from a nut ball, but this gets edited out quickly. I've found that they are a reliable source of information. And because they get edited regularly, the information is up to date.

    Of course, you could just read books on science. Textbooks are good.


    By experts, l am sure Whatti wont agree with you.

    As for editing,...

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...roth-wikipedia

    This guy couldn't edit his own comments made by someone else about the book he wrote, (the original editor got some things wrong).

    Wikepedia is self regulated which means it is open to abuse, which means that it cannot be relied upon for Evidence based research.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    No. Science doesn't touch it because...well.... it's science, ...not superstition. If the New Age cure actually worked, businesses would find out the active ingredient and sell it. In fact, that's where aspirin came from. If something works, it's repackaged and sold. Fortunes are made from things that work.

    No they wouldn't. My mother went through the expensive cut, zap and poison route when she had cancer, which was 10k all up.

    Then she met someone at a local shopping centre, who, (dare l say it was into New Age, (NA) and she told her the story about her having skin cancer on her legs. She saw a local practitioner who dealt in alternative treatments and was completely cured.

    That probably cost her 1 or 2 k over a year!

    Compare that with the so called wonder mainstream cure of reving up our genes, so they go after cancer cells, (well it is available in Mexico, but is still experimental in others, with impressive results, l may add).

    With an average price tag of $500,000 a year!

    There is No Way that mainstream medicine is going to mention option A, if anything they will bury and possibly descredit the cheaper option, for fear of losing their insane profits.

    After all if they don't run trials then it doesn't work.

    The medical profession will find a cure of cancer, but it is guaranteed to have a f*** ridiculousness price tag to go along with it.

    Remote viewing was done because the US thought the USSR was doing it. So they thought the USSR must be on to something. They tested it for years with absolutely no evidence that it worked. They abandoned it for that reason.

    And generals have no more insight into science than anyone else. It's a rank, not a degree. Just as scientists aren't experts on the military.
    True to a point...

    https://www.collective-evolution.com...ane-in-africa/

    An intelligence photo of a Soviet Tu-22 bomber, one that was outfitted as a reconnaissance aircraft and lost in Zaire in 1979. Remarkably, the plane was then located by an Air Force remote viewer. President Jimmy Carter was aware of this, admitting to national press that the CIA, without his knowledge, once consulted a psychic to locate a missing government plane. According to CNN, he told students at Emory University that the "special U.S. plane" crashed somewhere in Zaire. The only thing is that it was a Russian, not American plan.
    According to Carter, "the woman went into a trance and gave some latitude and longitude figures. We focused our satellite cameras on that point and the plane was there."
    As l said, there is something to this!

    And Generals are going to be a lot more careful and thorough than a corporal, (more responsibility, needs more brains).

    Paranormal is swept under the carpet because it's nonsensical. It's an embarrassment to thinking people.



    And like I said before, if it was real, it would just be "Normal" and accepted as part of our reality. That's what has always happened in the past.
    Well considering the last example l gave, you think that it is!

    Shane; When quantum physicists talk about ten dimensions...that means ten directions of measurement...like the first 3 dimensions.....not ten levels of existence. Again, just look it up on Wikipedia, and it will be explained in full.

    It's very common for neophytes to think that astrophysicists mean "dimensions" in the same way science fiction writers ...and new age believers.... mean. But they don't.
    True, that an extra dimension may not be spatial...


    https://ultraculture.org/blog/2014/1...sions-reality/


    So since we are made of atoms and their forces, hidden and seen, we May have access to some of these?

    So if a mystic has access to the one with infinite possibilities, then l would say RV and all of the rest becomes more mainstream than not!



    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    I went to an ER once with a really bad sore throat on a weekend night. It cost me $1,000 for 3 tongue depressors and 2 hours waiting.

    Fargin eyesholes. They got me good on that one.

    I doubt the cost will ever go down because nobody with any authority to make changes for the better cares about the scam.
    Yes, our genes can change depending on our environment, but mainstream science says, that illness is random and if you get cancer then WE are the only ones with a cure.

    Not someone up the street, that charges 99% less than we do, regardless of their very high success rate.

    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    If that new age stuff hasn't lost its core audience after a century, there may be something to it...
    Acupuncture has been around for more than 2,500 years, because it works, and Astrology has been around for more than 2000 years, because it works.

    Yeah, rational reasoning!!!!




    Here is some irradiated water, you will notice it was used in Hospitals with so called experts, not New Agers, so much for New Age!


    Hospitals also used it for burns, and the list goes on, (sounds like mainstream to me).


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    • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Acupuncture has been around for more than 2,500 years, because it works, and Astrology has been around for more than 2000 years, because it works.

      Yeah, rational reasoning!!!!
      Acupuncture works in certain cases because it can stimulate or block nerve impulses. It isn't a cure for anything, except temporary pain.

      Your comment about astrology speaks for itself.

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post





      Here is some irradiated water, you will notice it was used in Hospitals with so called experts, not New Agers, so much for New Age!


      Hospitals also used it for burns, and the list goes on, (sounds like mainstream to me).


      Shane; How old is that ad? 100 years old? Yes, 100 years ago we had far less understanding of medicine.
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Astrology has been around for more than 2000 years, because it works.
      Because of all the words in this post, some may have missed the above passage. I just wanted to isolate it for posterity, so that everyone gets to see it.

      You're welcome.
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    Another mainstream example...


    https://www.mskcc.org/blog/hot-times...um-therapy-msk


    This had the endorsement of a Doctor and Physicist, and uranium was actively used in this hospital as some present day treatments are used today, radio, being the most obvious.


    Some so called treatments today may actually be doing more harm than good, and need to be researched by the afflicted or nearest family member to ascertain if it isn't given for monastery gains more than actually helping the patient.


    Sometimes blindly accepting the so called experts as actually being one, or mainstream media for that matter, since they follow the leader of trail of cash, can be dangerous, and very expensive.


    And some conspiracy's, are legit, if the evidence is prevalent, although some want to generalize or pigeon hole such people on the grounds of fear.


    Evidence speaks for itself and closemindedness, (for want of a better word) also speaks, but not much else!



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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Acupuncture works in certain cases because it can stimulate or block nerve impulses. It isn't a cure for anything, except temporary pain.

    Your comment about astrology speaks for itself.

    Shane; How old is that ad? 100 years old? Yes, 100 years ago we had far less understanding of Mainstream medicine.

    Thankyou!


    Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

    Because of all the words in this post, some may have missed the above passage. I just wanted to isolate it for posterity, so that everyone gets to see it.

    You're welcome.

    I am sure that you can disprove that one, with a quick visit to Wikepedia or better still Youtube....


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    • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Thankyou!

      I am sure that you can disprove that one, with a quick visit to Wikepedia or better still Youtube....


      Shane; changing something that someone said, and then arguing against it...isn't the best way to make a valid point. Remember, this is in print. People actually see this.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        People actually see this.
        But, is it really there? Possibly you can only see it if you reside in the 10th dimension and your poltergeist girlfriend translates it for you.
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I am sure that you can disprove that one, with a quick visit to Wikepedia or better still Youtube....
      Don't need to. I, along with everyone else here (except you), already has first hand knowledge and experience to know it's complete bollocks.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Shane; changing something that someone said, and then arguing against it...isn't the best way to make a valid point. Remember, this is in print. People actually see this.
        I didn't change anything, this was a hospital that was near a natural source of radium. Doesn't sound New Agish to me.

        And it was used sparingly, (because of the cost) in hospitals.

        Radium: a medical treatment in the early 20th century

        So it was mainstream and deadly, thankyou.


        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Don't need to. I, along with everyone else here (except you), already has first hand knowledge and experience to know it's complete bollocks.
        Everyone else, lol, yes definitely Youtube.

        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        But, is it really there? Possibly you can only see it if you reside in the 10th dimension and your poltergeist girlfriend translates it for you.
        That's better!

        You need to include unicorns, though.
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        • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          I didn't change anything, this was a hospital that was near a natural source of radium. Doesn't sound New Agish to me.
          .
          You changed what I said, and you put it in quotes. When you put something someone said in quotes, it needs to be literally what they posted, not what you wish they posted.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            You changed what I said, and you put it in quotes. When you put something someone said in quotes, it needs to be literally what they posted, not what you wish they posted.
            You posted what Shane quoted in a different timeline and it just crossed over to ours, did you not feel the shift about 30 minutes ago? You thought it was just wind, a lot of people do.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You changed what I said, and you put it in quotes. When you put something someone said in quotes, it needs to be literally what they posted, not what you wish they posted.
        I corrected your post, (corrected the quote in my post) as you said that Radium treatments around the turn of the last century was New Age only.

        Mainstream science can screw up big time occasionally.

        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        You posted what Shane quoted in a different timeline and it just crossed over to ours, did you not feel the shi.... about 30 minutes ago? You thought it was just wind, a lot of people do.
        I felt it, but thankfully l was home at the time!

        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        I am ranting .. but i only post in an hour window at the moment .. so

        I am going to take a shot at Shane with this one.. haha ..

        radium add.. miracle of science a cutting edge new discovery .. pacged into a health product ..

        ddt .. discovery in science.. marketed and then way over used before people or science .. understood the real effects..

        string theory .. disvory of physics that was timed with the secret so the idea that science backed vibration and such ..was great selling .. point before string theory was worked out..

        when if the secret was made popular now .. it would be more effective to point to the google search engine ..or face book friend recomendation.. or amazons .. you bough this and people who bought this also bough these other things..to explain the feedback of law of attraction ..

        but bob proctor had to go on about string theory..if i remember thats who mentioned it in the secret.. it has been 11 years since i watched it ..

        now science and medical science will probably eventual find a whole bunch of benifit to people just learning to feel better .. without feeling better to like try to get a bmw

        Not sure that you took a shot, as l tend to agree overall, but string theory, is the only one to date that fits together, many theorys about everything were postulated before then, but always broke down when lab tests didn't support them.

        Apart from Einsteins original theory of everything that has been tested, and proven and buried.


        As the example l gave before demonstrates, (missing plane) New Age is not nonsense science, or gobbly gook or Bull s***, or whatever.

        I have been in a room with 5 people seeing the same apparition at the same time, (and l am sure bigger numbers would be possible) so this can be proven.

        If some don't want to know, and keep pitching, (for want of a better word) with no evidence is enough evidence, philosophy, then nothing more can be done.

        But mainstream is quickly moving in the New Age, Paranormal area, so it is only a matter of time.

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        Well millions have been sold, so.....



        Here you go Claude, lol.



        Groan...



        I can play with matches,.....oooookkkkk!

        No more cigarette burns, sffft, geesh, what lousy parents.


        Every conceivable test, lol.

        And this is a gov, promotional video, so it must be safe!

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    I am ranting .. but i only post in an hour window at the moment .. so

    I am going to take a shot at Shane with this one.. haha ..

    radium add.. miracle of science a cutting edge new discovery .. pacged into a health product ..

    ddt .. discovery in science.. marketed and then way over used before people or science .. understood the real effects..

    string theory .. disvory of physics that was timed with the secret so the idea that science backed vibration and such ..was great selling .. point before string theory was worked out..

    when if the secret was made popular now .. it would be more effective to point to the google search engine ..or face book friend recomendation.. or amazons .. you bough this and people who bought this also bough these other things..to explain the feedback of law of attraction ..

    but bob proctor had to go on about string theory..if i remember thats who mentioned it in the secret.. it has been 11 years since i watched it ..

    now science and medical science will probably eventual find a whole bunch of benifit to people just learning to feel better .. without feeling better to like try to get a bmw
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